I'm interested in seeing what the numbers are like in other countries.

elchip: THERE'S MY CROCODUCK

The new thing is "a monkey jumping out of a tree and putting on a business suit"

fifthhorseman: while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement

Only 16% of the country operates in reality. We. Are. Farked.

Nonsense, the other 84% will inherently be our slaves. or at least the 40%. So that's nice.

elchip: THERE'S MY CROCODUCK

Holy crap, I thought the first Crocoduck pic was a nicely done, one time only 'shop job for this thread.

Cameron actually brought that to a debate?

Wow. Just, wow.

Spanky_McFarksalot: It's not important what they believe until they try to impose it on everyone else.

40%, 60% 90%? I don't care as long as you keep it to yourself.

They do impose it on everyone else. Hell, almost the entirety of right wing ideas are dictated by that silly work of fiction they call "The Bible". Our society is so wrapped around that book that it is hard to notice unless you look for it.

elchip: FloydA: That will surely prevent people from arguing against a straw man version of the theory, right?



THEN WHERE'R THE CROCODUCKS?!

Wow, that would be terrifying.

slayer199 [TotalFark] Quote 2010-12-21 02:56:36 PM
I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

I agree, I only know one or 2 folks that are young Earth creationists. One told me flat out that if I wasn't saved, I was going to hell. I didn't talk to him much after that. I've met far more who are in the middle (The Earth is millions of years old, God and evolution can coexist, God started the ball rolling or some variation of that). I find it hard to believe that 40% of the population believes in Bible literalism, though if I took the same poll outside a Pentecostal Church, that figure would go to 100%. Shrug.

elchip:
Bevets is just trying to save you guys from eternal hellfire. Why must you mock him so?

Bevet steals quotes from other equally moronic people and the 10 commandments said that stealing was bad.

funny thing is if you accept young earth creationism then you have to deny the existance of gravity, trigonometry, relativity, not to mention every single aspect of modern biology.

Old enough to know better: I'm interested in seeing what the numbers are like in other countries.

TheTeethoftheTiger: fifthhorseman: while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement

Only 16% of the country operates in reality. We. Are. Farked.

Nonsense, the other 84% will inherently be our slaves. or at least the 40%. So that's nice.

But, none of that 16% will never be elected to any office, ever, until they morph, nay, evolve into 50.1%.

slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Maybe you just like hanging out with smart people?

A +1 for me!!!!

Finally I'm in a thread with Bevets!!!!

Yeah!!!!

Wow, creationists are stupid to the point of being furniture...dangerous furniture.
I would have said ignorant, but one would have to be stupid to be that ignorant.

Mike_LowELL: I once had a girl in my biology class concede that evolution was observable in single-celled organisms but wouldn't apply it to anything larger than that.

The student aid who helped teach historical geology was a hardcore creationist. He basically thought the entire class was crap, because it wasn't based on young earth.

He was never able to explain why we should believe biblical creation or any other creation myth. He also had no answers to most of the problems with ID, instead pulling a bevets and asking the other person to endlessly defend this or that, to the point of even having to explain why we only look to verifiable, material causes, and not supernatural ones, which he also refused to define.

RevLovejoy: elchip: THERE'S MY CROCODUCK

Holy crap, I thought the first Crocoduck pic was a nicely done, one time only 'shop job for this thread.

Cameron actually brought that to a debate?

Wow. Just, wow.

Yes, he did. And anti-evolutionists continually bring it up in debate. Now you know what memes are. It's scary, bro.

The 22% and 37% of people who are postgraduate and college graduate level that still believe in the 'god created us within the last 10,000 years' bit is what makes me the most sad.

slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Hows it going, eh?

frumpycarter: A +1 for me!!!!

Finally I'm in a thread with Bevets!!!!

Yeah!!!!

-2 for self-adulation.

Bevets: freewill: Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?

Without using evolutionary theory, doctors and scientists have discovered vaccines (Jenner, in the 18th century, before Darwin was born), discovered that germs cause infectious diseases (Pasteur, in the 19th century, who ignored Darwin), discovered genes (Mendel, in the 19th century, who was a priest and not a supporter of Darwin's theory), discovered antibiotics, and unraveled the secrets of the genetic code (the key to these discoveries was the discovery of the apparent design in the DNA double helix). Heart, liver, and kidney transplants, new treatments for cancer and heart disease, and a host of life-saving advances in medicine have been developed without input from evolutionary biologists. No Nobel prize in medicine has ever been awarded for work in evolutionary biology. In fact, I think it's safe to say that the only contribution evolution has made to modern medicine is to take it down the horrific road of eugenics, which brought forced sterilization and bodily harm to many thousands of Americans in the early 1900s. That's a contribution which has brought shame -- not advance -- to the medical field.

So 'Why would I want my doctor to have studied evolution?' I wouldn't. Evolutionary biology isn't important to modern medicine. ~ Michael Egnor

Because you are willing to state demonstrablelies as a means of advocating your position, no claim that you issue is credible.

I doubt most of the forty percent is the "quackaduck" type.

That is, I doubt all but a tiny percentage think about it.. ever, much less have photoshopped emperical evidence and an opinion about the ontological argument.

I bet 80 percent of people over 70 in the USA, if asked, would say "God created the universe, just like the Bible says" and this is where a large section of that population comes from

However you bringing it up to ask the question prompted them to think about it for the first time in a decade

/yeah I know kansas
//that kind of makes my point though, just a handfull of districts even trying to put a sticker on a biology book in a nation of 100 million creationists tells you how much effort they put into it

slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

You've never lived in the South, have you?

factoryconnection: ghare: slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Maybe you just like hanging out with smart people?

Maybe you're just tactful enough to never dig into people's religion. No wait, it means he doesn't live in the South. I have to watch myself all the time around new people.

This. I have at least one person start talking about god every time I walk to or from work. One of these days I'm going to have to move back north, where people don't blab their personal beliefs all over the place nearly as often.

ghare: slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Maybe you just like hanging out with smart people?


Most intelligent people have some sort of religious connection. That being said, creationalists are way less annoying than athiests.

Bevets: Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement.

Unfortunately the 16% minority has been given free reign to impose their views on everyone else by controlling 100% of public 'education'.

...

Creationists will have to speak louder. I continue to support those who would like to have their voices heard in biology classes. I encourage the effort to limit the teaching of evolutionary biology until such time as evolutionists encourage a more inclusive participation of students. The very idea of the American Civil Liberties Union conspiring with evolutionary biologists to limit the free speech of the majority of the high school students in this county is grotesque. ~ William Provine

For I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which facts cannot be adduced, often apparently leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I have arrived. A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question; and this cannot possibly be here done. ~ Charles Darwin

Oh, stop.

You wouldn't believe in the fact of Evolution unless God showed you his ID and told you it was true.

Go back into your little cubbyhole, you Jesus Spewing freak.

FloydA: Consider yourself fortunate. I have at least one student per quarter tell me that they "don't believe in evolution."

i don't believe in evolution or gravity or plate tectonics. i accept them as the best explanation of the evidence.

Note that "don't believe" is NOT the same as "reject" (believe in the absence/disbelieve).

FarkinHostile: I admit, I am always kind of amazed when I meet a bible literalist. About 5 months ago, I was having a conversation with a few guys I know over beers when one of them, a medical doctor, brought up Noahs Ark as if it were a fact. During the next 10 minute real life flamewar, he admitted to being a Creationist and bible literalist. I was floored that this intelligent, educated man could hold such strict, not only irrational but ridiculous beliefs.

Side note: one of the other gentlemen in the conversation with us is a soil scientist. Needless to say, it didn't go well for the good Doctor.

I work with a fellow forester and have a bro in law with a masters degree who both claim to believe this 6000 yr old bullcrap. Makes it impossible to believe anything that they do. Educated with science degrees and still believe that crap?
Boggles the mind it does.

factoryconnection: ghare: slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Maybe you just like hanging out with smart people?

Maybe you're just tactful enough to never dig into people's religion. No wait, it means he doesn't live in the South. I have to watch myself all the time around new people.

My momma told me, never discuss religion or politics.

/bunch a dumbass rednecks down here. I know they exist everywhere but DAMN.

DarnoKonrad: FarkinHostile: i am always kind of amazed when I meet a bible literalist.

The first and last conversation I ever attempted with a creationist began thus:

"If evolution is true, then explain the sun."

Response: "lolwut?"

Lebowski78: ghare: slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Maybe you just like hanging out with smart people?


Most intelligent people have some sort of religious connection. That being said, creationalists are way less annoying than athiests.

In what way? Creationists literally want to undo the modern foundation of science so they can insert their religious views instead.

What have atheists done that's nearly that bad?

Many American protestants (7th DAs, Baptists, etc...) hate the ever-living f*ck out of Catholics, however, and this is just one of the reasons.

really? I've been both, and I feel just fine about myself.

Bevets: freewill: Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?

Without using evolutionary theory, doctors and scientists have discovered vaccines (Jenner, in the 18th century, before Darwin was born), discovered that germs cause infectious diseases (Pasteur, in the 19th century, who ignored Darwin), discovered genes (Mendel, in the 19th century, who was a priest and not a supporter of Darwin's theory), discovered antibiotics, and unraveled the secrets of the genetic code (the key to these discoveries was the discovery of the apparent design in the DNA double helix). Heart, liver, and kidney transplants, new treatments for cancer and heart disease, and a host of life-saving advances in medicine have been developed without input from evolutionary biologists. No Nobel prize in medicine has ever been awarded for work in evolutionary biology. In fact, I think it's safe to say that the only contribution evolution has made to modern medicine is to take it down the horrific road of eugenics, which brought forced sterilization and bodily harm to many thousands of Americans in the early 1900s. That's a contribution which has brought shame -- not advance -- to the medical field.

So 'Why would I want my doctor to have studied evolution?' I wouldn't. Evolutionary biology isn't important to modern medicine. ~ Michael Egnor

Stop it.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

/Shut up when rational people are talking.

FirstNationalBastard: The toppings contain potassium benzoate.

Look, either rehash the same idiotic arguments as if you are the first person to ever say/think these things or get out! There's no room here for relevant Simpson's references.

/Summon BILLY MAYS

Okay libs, if evolution is true, then what did God evolve from?

randomjsa: The 22% and 37% of people who are postgraduate and college graduate level that still believe in the 'god created us within the last 10,000 years' bit is what makes me the most sad.

Why? It doesn't mean they are scientists, or even smart. It means they did post graduate work. PHD is English Lit and a creationist? Sure, that makes sense. Scary, but it makes sense. Could even be a lawyer - we have tons of dumb lawyers, just look at Congress. It's when we start seeing biologists and astrophysicists that believe in a young earth and denying evolution when I begin to really roll my eyes.

ithaqua: stupid

They are not stupid, I am sure the average creationist IQ is over 90

calling them stupid is too easy, Newton was a Christian (a heretic but whateverz) and believed in God, was he stupid?

Yes, more information about the beginning of the universe is now at your fingertips, but in daily life of going to the store to buy food, mowing the lawn and remembering your anniversary... does knowing the "truth" really matter on meaningful level to most people?

Antimatter: In what way? Creationists literally want to undo the modern foundation of science so they can insert their religious views instead.

oooooohhhhh scarrrrrrryyyyyy.

Antimatter: What have atheists done that's nearly that bad?



Dunno.

slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Consider yourself very lucky.

I attended a "Bible school" that taught that "evilution" was a complete sham, and the only scientific fact that we needed to know was essentially "god did it".

My entire family on my Father's side are strict literalists, including his sister and her husband who were teachers in public high schools (her husband was actually the Superintendent of the school at a well-known military base for years).

Virtually everyone I knew from the time I was born until I graduated high school and entered college firmly believed that the King James bible is the exact, literal, inerrant word of god!

Imagine MY frustration as one who loves Science Method, having to deal with that for nearly 40 years now!!!

I truly cannot imagine how otherwise intelligent human beings can cling to beliefs that simply cannot be true.

The "Great Flood" itself would have required THOUSANDS of "miracles" to have occured. Why would one believe that an "all powerful", all knowing" god would get so pissed off at his own creation, within a mere thousand years or so of creating them, that he decided to wipe out virtually all life on Earth with a flood over an 11+ month period, rather than simply making "the wicked" dissappear with a word?

Clearly that issue is only one of many, many problems with claiming a literal belief in the "bible" but it is HUGE problem in and of itself IMO.

factoryconnection: timujin: Bots don't refute points, they just post.

I've found that whenever I ask Bevets a specific but non-argumentative question, he disappears. I'm just doing my part.

That's because Bevets probably thinks he needs to "pray" to his "god" every five minutes or he's going to "hell".