Sad, really.

I'm going to leave this here, so that we all know what we're talking about when we discuss evolution:



That will surely prevent people from arguing against a straw man version of the theory, right?

if you believe that the modern english translation of a renaissance english translation of a latin translation of a greek translation of a collection of hebrew manuscripts is the "inerrant word of god"... you are a farking fool.

FloydA: That will surely prevent people from arguing against a straw man version of the theory, right?

I see you're new around here.

I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Elzar: Yeah I guess I'm thankful that biblical literalist doctors are a scarce commodity.

Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?

Reading the results of these surveys only fuels my misanthropy.

The toppings contain potassium benzoate.

slayer199: I have a hard time believing this poll. I've only met one person in my lifetime that believed in Creationism (a strict Baptist).

Consider yourself fortunate. I have at least one student per quarter tell me that they "don't believe in evolution."


timujin:
I see you're new around here.

;-)

FarkinHostile: I admit, I am always kind of amazed when I meet a bible literalist. About 5 months ago, I was having a conversation with a few guys I know over beers when one of them, a medical doctor, brought up Noahs Ark as if it were a fact. During the next 10 minute real life flamewar, he admitted to being a Creationist and bible literalist. I was floored that this intelligent, educated man could hold such strict, not only irrational but ridiculous beliefs.

Side note: one of the other gentlemen in the conversation with us is a soil scientist. Needless to say, it didn't go well for the good Doctor.

I almost dated a guy in college that was in a biochemistry program and a creationist. To this day, it boggles my mind.

/yeah, he was gay too, obviously.

freewill:
Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?


If one doesn't understand selection, one ends up selecting for MRSA (new window)

(Possible NSFW/lunch image)

Four in 10 Americans, slightly fewer today than in years past, believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago. Thirty-eight percent believe God guided a process by which humans developed over millions of years from less advanced life forms, while 16%, up slightly from years past, believe humans developed over millions of years, without God's involvement.

Unfortunately the 16% minority has been given free reign to impose their views on everyone else by controlling 100% of public 'education'.

...

Creationists will have to speak louder. I continue to support those who would like to have their voices heard in biology classes. I encourage the effort to limit the teaching of evolutionary biology until such time as evolutionists encourage a more inclusive participation of students. The very idea of the American Civil Liberties Union conspiring with evolutionary biologists to limit the free speech of the majority of the high school students in this county is grotesque. ~ William Provine

For I am well aware that scarcely a single point is discussed in this volume on which facts cannot be adduced, often apparently leading to conclusions directly opposite to those at which I have arrived. A fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question; and this cannot possibly be here done. ~ Charles Darwin

FloydA: freewill:
Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?


If one doesn't understand selection, one ends up selecting for MRSA (new window)

(Possible NSFW/lunch image)

I guess I hadn't really considered being so strictly Creationist that you actually reject the notion of genetic variation, but fair enough.

Bevets sure does like to bear false witness.

freewill: Not to defend the guy since whatever he said was surely objectively stupid, but is there actually any aspect of the medical practice where one's beliefs about this would matter at all?

Without using evolutionary theory, doctors and scientists have discovered vaccines (Jenner, in the 18th century, before Darwin was born), discovered that germs cause infectious diseases (Pasteur, in the 19th century, who ignored Darwin), discovered genes (Mendel, in the 19th century, who was a priest and not a supporter of Darwin's theory), discovered antibiotics, and unraveled the secrets of the genetic code (the key to these discoveries was the discovery of the apparent design in the DNA double helix). Heart, liver, and kidney transplants, new treatments for cancer and heart disease, and a host of life-saving advances in medicine have been developed without input from evolutionary biologists. No Nobel prize in medicine has ever been awarded for work in evolutionary biology. In fact, I think it's safe to say that the only contribution evolution has made to modern medicine is to take it down the horrific road of eugenics, which brought forced sterilization and bodily harm to many thousands of Americans in the early 1900s. That's a contribution which has brought shame -- not advance -- to the medical field.

So 'Why would I want my doctor to have studied evolution?' I wouldn't. Evolutionary biology isn't important to modern medicine. ~ Michael Egnor

FloydA: I'm going to leave this here, so that we all know what we're talking about when we discuss evolution:

Bevets: Unfortunately the 16% minority has been given free reign to impose their views on everyone else by controlling 100% of public 'education'.

We've seen your quotes before. Would you be willing to refute any of the points on Floyd's chart? I'm genuinely curious.

elchip: THEN WHERE'R THE CROCODUCKS?!

I'll tell you this: I want one.

/ Maybe to eat.

I want to eat a crocoduck.