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2010-12-20 01:16:48 PM  
Police convinced the girl to tell her story to a federal grand jury and she vanished without a trace within weeks of her testimony.

They got what they wanted and cut her loose. Pathetic.
 
2010-12-20 01:40:46 PM  
Personally I prefer the crack up position. But to each their own, I guess.
 
2010-12-20 01:45:18 PM  

phlegmmo: They got what they wanted and cut her loose. Pathetic.


Somethings illuminate quite clearly the priorities of our country.
 
2010-12-20 02:44:23 PM  
Child prostitution? That's fine for foreigners, but this is the United States. Somebody should put a stop to this!
 
2010-12-20 02:56:09 PM  
"Charity claims teen prostitution needs closer look."

Where will they ever find volunteers to investigate this in depth?

/subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2010-12-20 02:58:05 PM  
What, again?

I remember reading this in the local news in the days before teh Interwebs became commonplace; it seems to show up from time to time. It's a problem but hardly a new one and TFA doesn't give an accurate picture. No, Seattle isn't some Pedobear's paradise where pimps are renting out child prostitutes on every street corner. It's probably the usual farked-up families in farked-up neighborhoods where kids are neglected to the point where they can be easily exploited by relatives or even strangers ("boyfriends"), if not pimped out to neighbors by the parents themselves. Which is plenty tragic, but can be found in any poor, crime-ridden area anywhere in the effin' world and will never entirely go away.

Methinks Seattle's media has a lingering sensitivity to this issue because some of the Green River Killer's victims were under 18 when he murdered them. I'd LIKE to say that's a good thing overall, but hyping it up with words like "epidemic" just makes yuppie parents even more neurotic about their own spoiled crotchfruit with no extra funding/staff for the social workers actually trying to tackle this problem.
 
2010-12-20 02:58:11 PM  
Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.
 
2010-12-20 03:02:32 PM  
Won't someone please think of the children?! (just not in that way)
 
2010-12-20 03:06:47 PM  
Won't somebody please think of the children?
 
2010-12-20 03:09:28 PM  
Submitter said prostitution twice.
 
2010-12-20 03:15:32 PM  

jerkobson: Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.


It drains better crack down
 
2010-12-20 03:18:30 PM  

wolf_in_cheapclothing: Won't somebody please think of the children?


I'm thinking of them.

fap fap fap
 
2010-12-20 03:19:49 PM  

dragonchild: What, again?

I remember reading this in the local news in the days before teh Interwebs became commonplace; it seems to show up from time to time. It's a problem but hardly a new one and TFA doesn't give an accurate picture. No, Seattle isn't some Pedobear's paradise where pimps are renting out child prostitutes on every street corner. It's probably the usual farked-up families in farked-up neighborhoods where kids are neglected to the point where they can be easily exploited by relatives or even strangers ("boyfriends"), if not pimped out to neighbors by the parents themselves. Which is plenty tragic, but can be found in any poor, crime-ridden area anywhere in the effin' world and will never entirely go away.

Methinks Seattle's media has a lingering sensitivity to this issue because some of the Green River Killer's victims were under 18 when he murdered them. I'd LIKE to say that's a good thing overall, but hyping it up with words like "epidemic" just makes yuppie parents even more neurotic about their own spoiled crotchfruit with no extra funding/staff for the social workers actually trying to tackle this problem.


You think murdering kids under the age of 18 kids is a good thing?
 
2010-12-20 03:21:29 PM  
""It involves physical and sexual violence to the point of torture in a way that makes [the pimp] show you what can happen to you and how they can protect you," Saphier said."

pfft. pics or it didn't happen.
 
2010-12-20 03:26:06 PM  

All_Farked_Up: jerkobson: Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.

It drains better crack down


What do I care how it drains, once it's in there I'm done. clean up is her problem.
 
2010-12-20 03:30:12 PM  

phlegmmo: Police convinced the girl to tell her story to a federal grand jury and she vanished without a trace within weeks of her testimony.

They got what they wanted and cut her loose. Pathetic.


isn't that the whole point of prostitution, you get what you want and curt hem loose.

and before they crack down too much, in this economy, this may in fact be the only job these kids can get.

Oh, hi Mr. Hansen, haven't seen you on the telly in a while.
 
2010-12-20 03:38:07 PM  
Just a usage clarification: TFA talks about the girl prostituting herself. Then it says she was transported across state lines by her pimp. Well... if she has a pimp, isn't *he* the one who's prostituting her?

\Hey, if *I* don't take a stand for precision in communication, who will?
 
2010-12-20 03:50:30 PM  
Where were/are all of these prostitutes when I was growing up?
 
2010-12-20 03:51:38 PM  

jerkobson: All_Farked_Up: jerkobson: Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.

It drains better crack down

What do I care how it drains, once it's in there I'm done. clean up is her problem.


What make you think she cleaned up before you?
 
2010-12-20 03:54:03 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

What a teen prostitute may look like.
 
2010-12-20 03:54:55 PM  
Did anyone else get a boner reading that?
 
2010-12-20 04:03:14 PM  

newsweek: Did anyone else get a boner reading that?


No, but I like plump, middle-aged prostitutes.

/ what?
 
2010-12-20 04:12:36 PM  

newsweek: Did anyone else get a boner reading that?


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i274.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-20 04:14:05 PM  

Latinwolf: You think murdering kids under the age of 18 kids is a good thing?


I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, I can understand.
 
2010-12-20 04:15:54 PM  
Child prostitute is a misnomer. An individual who is not at the age of consent, who is involved in any sex act that involves the exchange of money, is a victim of a sex crime. It is ridiculous that these children face any criminal charges. It makes as much sense as charging victims of "traditional" (for lack of a better term) child molestation with a crime.

Pimping or profiting off another persons' sexual activity should be made against the law or actually enforced provided, such a law is already on the books. Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.
 
2010-12-20 04:18:01 PM  
Legalize and regulate. Otherwise, you put the least ethical people possible in charge.

/ Unless, of course, we're talking about deep water drilling. Then the least ethical people will always find a way to be in charge.
 
2010-12-20 04:18:52 PM  

All_Farked_Up: jerkobson: All_Farked_Up: jerkobson: Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.

It drains better crack down

What do I care how it drains, once it's in there I'm done. clean up is her problem.

What make you think she cleaned up before you?


Why do you think I was with her in the first place?
 
2010-12-20 04:21:21 PM  

Latinwolf: You think murdering kids under the age of 18 kids is a good thing?


Yeah, maybe we can learn dem spoiled brats a thing or two about life.
 
2010-12-20 04:25:22 PM  
Is it still really prostitution if the beer I bought them was actually O'Douls?
 
2010-12-20 04:30:17 PM  

All_Farked_Up: jerkobson: Subby's right. Prostitutes need to keep their crack up, I need to get in there.

It drains better crack down


Yeah. And sometimes you just want a blow-job.
 
2010-12-20 04:33:29 PM  

This text is now purple: Latinwolf: You think murdering kids under the age of 18 kids is a good thing?

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, I can understand.


I was replying to dragonchild.
 
2010-12-20 04:34:54 PM  

This text is now purple: Latinwolf: You think murdering kids under the age of 18 kids is a good thing?

I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying, I can understand.


After looking around, it seems you forgot to change your alt when replying.
 
2010-12-20 04:37:00 PM  

Lunaville: Child prostitute is a misnomer. An individual who is not at the age of consent, who is involved in any sex act that involves the exchange of money, is a victim of a sex crime. It is ridiculous that these children face any criminal charges. It makes as much sense as charging victims of "traditional" (for lack of a better term) child molestation with a crime.

Pimping or profiting off another persons' sexual activity should be made against the law or actually enforced provided, such a law is already on the books. Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.


...Over 21?

In many states, it's legal to have sex at 16. Why should it be a crime for two 16 years olds to have sex with the exchange of money, but not to do it without money being involved?

Other than that I agree with you almost completely.
 
2010-12-20 04:54:10 PM  

username101: In many states, it's legal to have sex at 16. Why should it be a crime for two 16 years olds to have sex with the exchange of money, but not to do it without money being involved?


Because people have internalized "21" as an age that "means something", even though it doesn't.
 
2010-12-20 05:02:20 PM  

EvilEgg: Personally I prefer the crack up position. But to each their own, I guess.


On a teen prostitute? So you've had some experience in this?
 
2010-12-20 05:03:04 PM  

Knara: username101: In many states, it's legal to have sex at 16. Why should it be a crime for two 16 years olds to have sex with the exchange of money, but not to do it without money being involved?

Because people have internalized "21" as an age that "means something", even though it doesn't.


hmmmmm...

12 can produce babies
16 can drive a car
18 can vote, die in a war and fark in all 50 states without getting my partner arrested for sex crimes
21 can drink

all arbitrary numbers that give no consideration to the maturity or intelligence of the person of the person involved.
 
2010-12-20 05:09:37 PM  

Brick-House: hmmmmm...

12 can produce babies
16 can drive a car
18 can vote, die in a war and fark in all 50 states without getting my partner arrested for sex crimes
21 can drink

all arbitrary numbers that give no consideration to the maturity or intelligence of the person of the person involved.


Yes.

Though the "12 can produce babies" thing is even less divorced from reality, since puberty can hit females earlier than that.
 
2010-12-20 05:18:54 PM  

Lunaville: Child prostitute is a misnomer. An individual who is not at the age of consent, who is involved in any sex act that involves the exchange of money, is a victim of a sex crime. It is ridiculous that these children face any criminal charges. It makes as much sense as charging victims of "traditional" (for lack of a better term) child molestation with a crime.

Pimping or profiting off another persons' sexual activity should be made against the law or actually enforced provided, such a law is already on the books. Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.


your words have the stink of truth and i like it.
 
2010-12-20 05:40:56 PM  

Lunaville: Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.


It already is. It's called a date. Those cost even more than a $20 hand job. Legal, and taxed.
 
2010-12-20 05:41:44 PM  

Knara: Brick-House: hmmmmm...

12 can produce babies
16 can drive a car
18 can vote, die in a war and fark in all 50 states without getting my partner arrested for sex crimes
21 can drink

all arbitrary numbers that give no consideration to the maturity or intelligence of the person of the person involved.

Yes.

Though the "12 can produce babies" thing is even less divorced from reality, since puberty can hit females earlier than that.


I think a physical and mental test for all of them would be sufficient.

Wanna whore yourself out? Prove that you know about pregnancy, contraceptives, etc and the nature of prostitution, and then you're good to go.

They wanna drive a car? Test that they have a good reaction time and spacial reasoning, then test that they can drive a vehicle while obeying traffic laws, then they're good to go.

That sort of thing.
 
2010-12-20 05:48:59 PM  
Charity sounds like the name OF a teenage prostitute.
 
2010-12-20 06:13:16 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Charity sounds like the name OF a teenage prostitute.


yeah, but she charges at least $200 for an hour!

/Charity begins at home, so fark your daughter I guess.
 
2010-12-20 06:29:43 PM  
PDX has a large number of homeless people, and teen hustlers - both boys and girls - are common. This is well known to anyone in the city. Other cities aren't much better.
 
2010-12-20 07:04:31 PM  

AbbeySomeone: PDX has a large number of homeless people, and teen hustlers - both boys and girls - are common.


But where would Gary keep em? At the compound?
 
2010-12-20 08:45:15 PM  

username101: Lunaville: Child prostitute is a misnomer. An individual who is not at the age of consent, who is involved in any sex act that involves the exchange of money, is a victim of a sex crime. It is ridiculous that these children face any criminal charges. It makes as much sense as charging victims of "traditional" (for lack of a better term) child molestation with a crime.

Pimping or profiting off another persons' sexual activity should be made against the law or actually enforced provided, such a law is already on the books. Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.

...Over 21?

In many states, it's legal to have sex at 16. Why should it be a crime for two 16 years olds to have sex with the exchange of money, but not to do it without money being involved?

Other than that I agree with you almost completely.


I don't approve of charging anyone with a sex crime when both participants are willing and within a couple years of each other in age. In my perfect world, your two 16 year olds would be in the free and clear. My suggestion of a 21 year age requirement, in order to acquire a business license as a prostitute, is merely an attempt to ensure that individuals who do so are choosing this path of their own accord without coercion from others. Allowing younger people to acquire such a license might increase the likelihood of a young person being exploited by an unethical relative or acquantaince. Of course, I couldn't begin to describe how you might word such legislation so that it could not be misused to harrass consensually boinking teens or others we haven't thought of yet. I assume you've heard about the cases wherein teens have been charged with distributing child pornography because of forwarding their own photographs? I consider that a serious abuse/misuse of a law that was intended to protect children and teens not provide a tool for harassing and persecuting them. So, I think our law legalizing prostitution would have to be very carefully written by someone more clever than me.
Sorry my answer was so long. I feel like I should make up for it by including something funny now, but I can't think of any prostitute jokes at the moment.
 
Nib
2010-12-20 08:55:57 PM  

newsweek: Did anyone else get a boner reading that?


Still got it
 
2010-12-20 09:53:32 PM  

Lunaville: username101: Lunaville: Child prostitute is a misnomer. An individual who is not at the age of consent, who is involved in any sex act that involves the exchange of money, is a victim of a sex crime. It is ridiculous that these children face any criminal charges. It makes as much sense as charging victims of "traditional" (for lack of a better term) child molestation with a crime.

Pimping or profiting off another persons' sexual activity should be made against the law or actually enforced provided, such a law is already on the books. Prostitution for individuals over 21 should be legalized, regulated and heavily taxed. The tax money and the savings from not wasting resources pursuing adult prostitutes should be poured into protecting children from exploitation and taking down the inevitable would-be pimp.

...Over 21?

In many states, it's legal to have sex at 16. Why should it be a crime for two 16 years olds to have sex with the exchange of money, but not to do it without money being involved?

Other than that I agree with you almost completely.

I don't approve of charging anyone with a sex crime when both participants are willing and within a couple years of each other in age. In my perfect world, your two 16 year olds would be in the free and clear. My suggestion of a 21 year age requirement, in order to acquire a business license as a prostitute, is merely an attempt to ensure that individuals who do so are choosing this path of their own accord without coercion from others. Allowing younger people to acquire such a license might increase the likelihood of a young person being exploited by an unethical relative or acquantaince. Of course, I couldn't begin to describe how you might word such legislation so that it could not be misused to harrass consensually boinking teens or others we haven't thought of yet. I assume you've heard about the cases wherein teens have been charged with distributing child pornography because of forwarding their own photographs? I consider that a serious abuse/misuse of a law that was intended to protect children and teens not provide a tool for harassing and persecuting them. So, I think our law legalizing prostitution would have to be very carefully written by someone more clever than me.
Sorry my answer was so long. I feel like I should make up for it by including something funny now, but I can't think of any prostitute jokes at the moment.


I now love you. You perfectly summed it up, and I was thinking EXACTLY of the child porn cases you described.

If it could be worded in a way that wouldn't punish consenting teens (who are going to fark no matter what the consequences may be, sometimes for cash), but WOULD punish people that exploit teens, then I would back it completely.
 
2010-12-20 10:02:11 PM  

username101: Wanna whore yourself out? Prove that you know about pregnancy, contraceptives, etc and the nature of prostitution, and then you're good to go.


Buying or selling the physical act of sex is risky, exploitative by design, addictive for many and makes a lot of people genuinely uneasy. Prostitution corrupts people, the prostitutes and the johns. Hard drugs and prostitution have a definite link.

I'm not saying it should be illegal, but restricted to certain districts that are well-policed, away from residential areas. Fees collected from either the workers or the brothel could pay for free counseling, rehab, child care services, birth control, STI testing and wellness visits. Cities should be able to opt out of allowing brothels.
 
2010-12-20 10:46:02 PM  
Pimps are the absolute scum of the earth. They are NOT the smooth-as-silk "Huggy Bear" types portrayed in popular culture (especially not as shown rap and hip hop videos!) They are vicious, cruel sub-humans

The problem is, the cops arrest them and they are out on bail the next day. If only the cops treated pimping as serious a crime as drug dealing, plus the law changed to automatically deny them bail on the fact they are dangerous to society, then perhaps a dent can be made. Oh, and stop pandering to the prudes and legalizing prostitution would help shut these scum down, too.
 
2010-12-20 11:05:52 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Pimps are the absolute scum of the earth. They are NOT the smooth-as-silk "Huggy Bear" types portrayed in popular culture (especially not as shown rap and hip hop videos!) They are vicious, cruel sub-humans

The problem is, the cops arrest them and they are out on bail the next day. If only the cops treated pimping as serious a crime as drug dealing, plus the law changed to automatically deny them bail on the fact they are dangerous to society, then perhaps a dent can be made. Oh, and stop pandering to the prudes and legalizing prostitution would help shut these scum down, too.


As you somewhat answered in your own post, legalizing hard drugs (and possibly regulating/taxing them, if so inclined) and prostitution will get rid of the pimps' power (along with the dealers' power).
 
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