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(NPR)   Sure, those violent video games are turning your kinds into amoral losers with strong violent tendencies. But they're making them smarter, too   (npr.org) divider line 70
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2010-12-20 10:59:53 AM  
Because smart amoral losers are such an improvement.
 
2010-12-20 11:05:41 AM  
Obviously these scientists have never been to a single gaming site. There's a whole lotta dumb there.
 
2010-12-20 12:19:35 PM  
I have to say that I've learned a lot the last few days playing Assassin's Creed Brotherhood multiplayer. Just a bit of advice: that courtesan standing next to the hay stack? Yeah, that's not me.
 
2010-12-20 01:48:00 PM  
If videogames really made people into the killers the media makes them out to be, all wars could be fought by one bare chested GI, and one souped up fighter jet.
 
2010-12-20 01:48:05 PM  
your kinds ????
 
2010-12-20 01:50:27 PM  
2wolves: Because smart amoral losers are such an improvement.

Now all we need is for anyone at all to produce any evidence that video gaming actually effects your morality or propensity towards loserdom.
 
2010-12-20 01:50:47 PM  
Sure, those violent video games are turning your kinds into amoral losers with strong violent tendencies.

If you really think this submitter, you sound over the age of 60.
 
2010-12-20 01:51:31 PM  
smallerGov: your kinds ????

must be of german descent?
 
2010-12-20 01:52:56 PM  
I hope my kinds don't show propensity for loserdom
 
2010-12-20 01:56:04 PM  
media.npr.org
A test subject in cognitive scientist Daphne Bavelier's study
tries to follow the direction of moving dots on a computer screen.


See! There are games for macs!
 
2010-12-20 01:56:54 PM  
xspblog.com

Taught me survival and self-reliance, and the value of a bottlecap.
 
2010-12-20 02:03:55 PM  
Sounds like they will be working on Wall Street.
 
2010-12-20 02:04:51 PM  
That story had Ludicrous GIBS!!!!!
 
2010-12-20 02:07:15 PM  
It's about time someone noticed this. Now how long before the education system finally contracts game designers to make entertaining learning games?

I know, 'fun learning' = sacrilege!
 
2010-12-20 02:07:34 PM  
Antimatter: If videogames really made people into the killers the media makes them out to be, all wars could be fought by one bare chested GI, and one souped up fighter jet.

ecx.images-amazon.com

And we just won't TELL him.
 
2010-12-20 02:09:32 PM  
Sounds like someone else on Earth once owned the VTech Socrates educational video gaming console. HODGE PODGE.
 
2010-12-20 02:10:08 PM  
El Freak Obviously these scientists have never been to a single gaming site. There's a whole lotta dumb there.

For every ten of those websites, there's an ElitistJerks. Theorycrafting is probably second to actuarial crap for the amount of worthless number crunching. And I'm not even sure actuarial crap is worthless.

/I should give a crap about throughput and MPH of Renew/bubble/Penance vs. Smite/Heal with consideration to onverhealing mana loss...
 
2010-12-20 02:11:54 PM  
hitlersbrain: It's about time someone noticed this. Now how long before the education system finally contracts game designers to make entertaining learning games?

I know, 'fun learning' = sacrilege!


They do make "educational" games. They're dumb as hell, every damn one of them.

images.amazon.com

And on top of that, V.smile Baby- teaching your baby the basics of a video console, learning to interact with a screen early on- is just creepy.
 
2010-12-20 02:12:05 PM  
What to Expect in This Thread: Bad gamers make excuses for why they suck at video games, claiming that they "play for fun" and everybody better than them "has no life".
 
2010-12-20 02:12:57 PM  
Yes yes, video games are influencing people and changing them into monsters. I played John Madden all last week and threw 8 touchdowns in one game. Now I have 15 NFL teams calling me up trying to sign me to be their starting quarterback for next season.

I beat COD Black Ops and now the Navy Seals want me to join their team and be a 1st lieutenant.
 
2010-12-20 02:13:34 PM  
Oznog: Antimatter: If videogames really made people into the killers the media makes them out to be, all wars could be fought by one bare chested GI, and one souped up fighter jet.



And we just won't TELL him.


The downside is the Army corp of engineers keeps building pylons all over the battlefield for some reason.
 
2010-12-20 02:16:19 PM  
I'm sure a childhood of playing RPGs taught me a bit about the value of being able to crunch numbers quickly, and it also taught me how to be frugal. Sure, I could spend 5000 gold pieces for the sword offered in this town, but if I hold off, I can get an ever better one in the next town for just a bit more, and if I hold off on chugging that life potion until I really need it, I'll be less likely to run out of resources and die at the boss.

Good stuff, really.
 
2010-12-20 02:16:25 PM  
Damned civil engineers... always reticulating the splines
 
2010-12-20 02:19:58 PM  
El Freak: Obviously these scientists have never been to a single gaming site. There's a whole lotta dumb there.

Whenever I hear somebody come on the voice chat on BF 1943, I quit the game and join another one. The kind of stupid I hear on there invariably deducts from my dwindling supply of IQ points.
 
2010-12-20 02:21:10 PM  
Oznog: hitlersbrain: It's about time someone noticed this. Now how long before the education system finally contracts game designers to make entertaining learning games?

I know, 'fun learning' = sacrilege!

They do make "educational" games. They're dumb as hell, every damn one of them.



And on top of that, V.smile Baby- teaching your baby the basics of a video console, learning to interact with a screen early on- is just creepy.


My 10 month old just got one of these from her grandfather for christmas. I am still deciding what to do.
 
2010-12-20 02:21:18 PM  
Oznog: hitlersbrain: It's about time someone noticed this. Now how long before the education system finally contracts game designers to make entertaining learning games?

I know, 'fun learning' = sacrilege!

They do make "educational" games. They're dumb as hell, every damn one of them.



And on top of that, V.smile Baby- teaching your baby the basics of a video console, learning to interact with a screen early on- is just creepy.


I meant more for school aged kids. People who try to teach infants to be 'geniuses' are morons.

And no, there aren't any that don't suck yet but it seems like a pretty logical thing to try.
 
2010-12-20 02:23:25 PM  
I dunno, I let my four year old use the Nick Jr free games and he loves it. In a matter of just a couple of weeks his grasp of the alphabet and phonetics increased tenfold. He's attentive when I read to him or we work on flashcards, but Dora and Diego capture his attention in a way I can't compete with. Plenty of video games can be very useful tools for learning and personal growth.
 
2010-12-20 02:28:53 PM  
Given the mountains of evidence against this article's conclusions, I seriously doubt it. it's probably written by the same idiots who think Baby Mozart raises IQ and improve motor skills instead of lower IQ and reduce skills. Then again, every industry has its paid shills. Science is not really important if there is money to be made off of children.
 
2010-12-20 02:29:17 PM  
Moonfisher: I dunno, I let my four year old use the Nick Jr free games and he loves it. In a matter of just a couple of weeks his grasp of the alphabet and phonetics increased tenfold. He's attentive when I read to him or we work on flashcards, but Dora and Diego capture his attention in a way I can't compete with. Plenty of video games can be very useful tools for learning and personal growth.

Maybe he just has a thing for latin girls?
 
2010-12-20 02:29:27 PM  
Oznog:

And on top of that, V.smile Baby- teaching your baby the basics of a video console, learning to interact with a screen early on- is just creepy.


The reality is parents what this instead of the original:

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2010-12-20 02:32:08 PM  
I tried to read that article. Turns out, not enough cool graphics or 'splosions to make it interesting.

/Warped video game mind.
 
2010-12-20 02:36:01 PM  
So I shouldn't be concerned that my 4 year old uses his spaceship in Spore to wipe out his entire first planet.

I explained to him those were his own cities he was wiping out, and he kind of understood.

//He's beaten me at Mario Kart Wii... Stupid blue shell hitting me an the others close to me allowing him to zoom right by us.
 
2010-12-20 02:36:30 PM  
Oznog: Antimatter: If videogames really made people into the killers the media makes them out to be, all wars could be fought by one bare chested GI, and one souped up fighter jet.



And we just won't TELL him.


Well played.
 
2010-12-20 02:43:39 PM  
Oh here we go again.... If music, video games and movies/TV really turned people into psychos, then what video game was it that Hitler played? How about the Pharohs of Egypt when they enslaved the Jews? What heavy metal band did Pontius Pilate listen to that made him want to crucify Jesus?

Maybe some people are just crazy, just like some people are homosexual, or socially awkward, or stronger and smarter than the average person. Sometimes people just go crazy, and it isn't video games causing it.
 
2010-12-20 02:49:00 PM  
drunkenmidnight: What heavy metal band did Pontius Pilate listen to that made him want to crucify Jesus?


I'm going with Whitesnake.
 
2010-12-20 02:50:08 PM  
Some Texan: Oznog:

And on top of that, V.smile Baby- teaching your baby the basics of a video console, learning to interact with a screen early on- is just creepy.
farm6.static.flickr.comimages.amazon.com
The reality is parents what this instead of the original:


Oh wow this corporate 'Shop is hilarious!
So, someone realized maybe leaving your kid infant in front of the TV to press buttons isn't really the best mode of parenting?

t2.gstatic.com

We all know the best method is to seal him up in a spiky crystalline ball with like 10 years worth of Marlon Brando audiobooks. He'll come out smart and sensitive for sure.
 
2010-12-20 02:51:53 PM  
meat0918: //He's beaten me at Mario Kart Wii... Stupid blue shell hitting me an the others close to me allowing him to zoom right by us.AcneVulgaris: El Freak: Obviously these scientists have never been to a single gaming site. There's a whole lotta dumb there.

Whenever I hear somebody come on the voice chat on BF 1943, I quit the game and join another one. The kind of stupid I hear on there invariably deducts from my dwindling supply of IQ points.


In fairness, it's not much worse than watching "Top 5 Video Games With the Letter 'C' In The Title" get 600 comments in the Fark Geek subtab.
 
2010-12-20 03:08:14 PM  
drunkenmidnight: Oh here we go again.... If music, video games and movies/TV really turned people into psychos, then what video game was it that Hitler played?

Again with the hyperbole. Let's not talk about the problem! Let's perpetuate an urban myth instead! This is why gamers can't have serious conversations about the effects of video games on kids.
 
2010-12-20 03:10:19 PM  
Bennie Crabtree: Again with the hyperbole. Let's not talk about the problem! Let's perpetuate an urban myth instead! This is why gamers can't have serious conversations about the effects of video games on kids.

Your thesis. Shoot.
 
2010-12-20 03:18:16 PM  
no wonder people hate video gamers. people getting smart is the antithesis of evangelicals/extremists.
 
2010-12-20 03:21:59 PM  
NetOwl: I'm sure a childhood of playing RPGs taught me a bit about the value of being able to crunch numbers quickly, and it also taught me how to be frugal. Sure, I could spend 5000 gold pieces for the sword offered in this town, but if I hold off, I can get an ever better one in the next town for just a bit more, and if I hold off on chugging that life potion until I really need it, I'll be less likely to run out of resources and die at the boss.

You played the Dragon Quest series, didn't you? That game seriously favored players who could ration like crazy. Some of my tensest gaming moments were spent gingerly walking around a town at night because I was A) underleveled for the monsters in the area, B) can't save unless I talked to the King who was unavailable at night and C) too cheap to stay at the inn. Because man, every little bit counted. I would pass on using healing items I picked up and stagger into town barely alive to sell them for cash. Actually, it was quite a rush when I finally got that +65 Zombie Killer with hard-earned funds.

But lemme tell you something: Nowadays, the "new school" RPGs are for wimps. Take a serious hit and it triggers some "limit break" or whatever, as if crippling hits make people more powerful. Money flows in like water; buying equipment at the next town's store is more a formality than an agonizing choice. I'm not sure if there are any lessons to be learned in the RPGs they make these days.
 
2010-12-20 03:25:29 PM  
2wolves: Because smart amoral losers are such an improvement.

Good evening, Clarice.
 
2010-12-20 03:31:54 PM  
dragonchild: NetOwl: I'm sure a childhood of playing RPGs taught me a bit about the value of being able to crunch numbers quickly, and it also taught me how to be frugal. Sure, I could spend 5000 gold pieces for the sword offered in this town, but if I hold off, I can get an ever better one in the next town for just a bit more, and if I hold off on chugging that life potion until I really need it, I'll be less likely to run out of resources and die at the boss.

You played the Dragon Quest series, didn't you? That game seriously favored players who could ration like crazy. Some of my tensest gaming moments were spent gingerly walking around a town at night because I was A) underleveled for the monsters in the area, B) can't save unless I talked to the King who was unavailable at night and C) too cheap to stay at the inn. Because man, every little bit counted. I would pass on using healing items I picked up and stagger into town barely alive to sell them for cash. Actually, it was quite a rush when I finally got that +65 Zombie Killer with hard-earned funds.

But lemme tell you something: Nowadays, the "new school" RPGs are for wimps. Take a serious hit and it triggers some "limit break" or whatever, as if crippling hits make people more powerful. Money flows in like water; buying equipment at the next town's store is more a formality than an agonizing choice. I'm not sure if there are any lessons to be learned in the RPGs they make these days.


I played most of the big name games back then, including Dragon Warrior/Quest. (I'm playing Dragon Quest IX right now, and it is delightful, if much easier than any of the old games so far. I'm about ten hours in and I haven't died yet, so that tells me something.) Remember when Final Fantasy was like that unless you cheated and used two black belts, a red mage, and a white mage in your party?

Everything you say is true, though there are a few games these days that make you play with the mindset of the '80s and '90s, most of them with Megami Tensei in the name. Actually, thanks to emulation, it's sort of fun to go back and play some of the old Megaten games on my computer.
 
2010-12-20 03:49:28 PM  
Oznog:

Oh wow this corporate 'Shop is hilarious!
So, someone realized maybe leaving your kid infant in front of the TV to press buttons isn't really the best mode of parenting?/i>

I have to admit I did the 'shop, removing the mom. I wouldn't put it past anyone to do that, though.
 
2010-12-20 03:56:21 PM  
dragonchild: NetOwl: I'm sure a childhood of playing RPGs taught me a bit about the value of being able to crunch numbers quickly, and it also taught me how to be frugal. Sure, I could spend 5000 gold pieces for the sword offered in this town, but if I hold off, I can get an ever better one in the next town for just a bit more, and if I hold off on chugging that life potion until I really need it, I'll be less likely to run out of resources and die at the boss.

You played the Dragon Quest series, didn't you? That game seriously favored players who could ration like crazy. Some of my tensest gaming moments were spent gingerly walking around a town at night because I was A) underleveled for the monsters in the area, B) can't save unless I talked to the King who was unavailable at night and C) too cheap to stay at the inn. Because man, every little bit counted. I would pass on using healing items I picked up and stagger into town barely alive to sell them for cash. Actually, it was quite a rush when I finally got that +65 Zombie Killer with hard-earned funds.

But lemme tell you something: Nowadays, the "new school" RPGs are for wimps. Take a serious hit and it triggers some "limit break" or whatever, as if crippling hits make people more powerful. Money flows in like water; buying equipment at the next town's store is more a formality than an agonizing choice. I'm not sure if there are any lessons to be learned in the RPGs they make these days.


Try out Demon's Souls, possibly the only worthwhile exclusive on the PS3.

And also my favorite RPG. It's easily in my top 5 favorite games of all time, and infamous for its difficulty and harshness.
 
2010-12-20 03:56:49 PM  
NetOwl: Everything you say is true, though there are a few games these days that make you play with the mindset of the '80s and '90s, most of them with Megami Tensei in the name. Actually, thanks to emulation, it's sort of fun to go back and play some of the old Megaten games on my computer.

Yep, like group exp. WTF? I remember in Shining Force using an amoeba attack with the tanks and frontlines weakening the targets and carefully moving up the ranged/healers to get the experience and hoped to not get wiped out while using strategery for spreading the exp around.
 
2010-12-20 04:06:22 PM  
I Don't know about you, but Valeems with Don stucco is one of the most underrated of all time
 
2010-12-20 04:20:09 PM  
Thank you username101. That was all I planned to add to this thread.

/love Demons' Souls
//can't wait for the next one
 
2010-12-20 04:21:51 PM  
So glad I did not have computer games as a kid. I get so addicted that I get a stiff neck and get to sleep too late. I can only imagine what kind of childhood I would have had if I just went clicky clicky in my free time.
 
2010-12-20 04:46:26 PM  
I had an Intellivision, I'm now a copro-necrophiliac.

Thanks alot Electric Company: Math Fun

worst...game...evar
 
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