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(News.com.au)   Western Australia Senator defends wet t-shirt competitions: "People who say it demeans women get your feet back on the ground." (w/ helpfully not-safe-for-work pic of what a wet t-shirt competition entails)   (news.com.au) divider line 298
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2010-12-18 11:44:11 PM
acohn: Despite the fact that everyone participates voluntarily, how can anyone with 1 more functioning brain cell than Sterle deny that this is a sexual exhibition that objectifies both performers and spectators? Sometimes, goverments regulate or ban mutually consensual activities, like recreational drug use, because they have collateral effects. For drugs, it's theft to support a drug habit and violence resulting from taking the drugs. For sexual exhibition, the collateral effect is making it acceptable to think about women in primarily sexual terms and the casual discrimination that results from that. A more subtle effect on men is that in encouraging the use of the brain's primitive limbic system in dealing with women, it discourages them from from using their newer neo-cortex to provide the satisfying relationships they say they want with women.

There's no way, even if we wanted to, to remove the sexuality element of interaction between men and women. For the common good, though, we shouldn't promote sexual exhibitionism as public spectacle.


So you could just not go and, you know, MYOB. Don't be threatened by what you choose not to participate in. For me, women in wet t-shirt contests aren't a huge turn-on. I'm much more interested in someone who is attractive and smart. I don't see that as the best demonstration of intelligence. But I could give a flying fark about strippers and exhibitionists that like this type of thing. To each his/her own....
 
2010-12-18 11:47:35 PM
Genevieve Marie: I didn't expect anyone who isn't already interested in gender roles to be want to look into that blog post.

Several people have made very specific comments about its content. So obviously, they read it and considered it. I don't understand why you appear to be backing away from a discussion that you started. You know what you sound like? Imagine someone says, "you should just read the bible, then you'll know that christianity is about love." Then people actually read the bible and begin responding to the thesis that christianity is all about love - some of these people even quote the bible. And the OP puts up his hands and says, "yeah, I knew that people who have no interest in the truth wouldn't read it anyway."
 
2010-12-18 11:50:26 PM
Ed Grubermann: cryinoutloud: orbitalfreak: Newsflash: Some women like getting ogled and put themselves in positions (heh) for men to ogle them.

You just keep telling yourself that. And I'm telling you that those women are probably pretty farked in the head if they "like" that. Does that make you feel good?

Really? They only do that because they're damaged and not because they think it's fun or an easy way to earn some money?

What the fark is it with the Virgin/Raped-by-her-stepfather mentality? Do we really need to demonize women who are okay with flaunting their sexuality?


Glad to see someone respond to the "obviously people not like me must be mentally damaged" post.
 
2010-12-18 11:51:58 PM
Tofu: Several people have made very specific comments about its content. So obviously, they read it and considered it. I don't understand why you appear to be backing away from a discussion that you started. You know what you sound like? Imagine someone says, "you should just read the bible, then you'll know that christianity is about love." Then people actually read the bible and begin responding to the thesis that christianity is all about love - some of these people even quote the bible. And the OP puts up his hands and says, "yeah, I knew that people who have no interest in the truth wouldn't read it anyway."

I imagine it's probably about the same- reading the bible or considering any religious philosophy takes a lot of time and personal contemplation. It's not just reading excerpts and picking phrases you dislike and using them to discredit the entire thesis. That post alone took me more than two hours to go through, when I read all of the links included, and I went back through it today to go to all of the links within the links.


I posted it what, half an hour ago? There's no way anyone has objectively taken the time to go through everything, ponder it and come up with questions based on it.

But like I said, doing that takes an underlying interest in the material, so I don't expect a lot of people to do it- for the same reason I wouldn't expect a ton of people to read the bible cover to cover solely for the sake of debate.
 
2010-12-18 11:52:00 PM
Tofu: Genevieve Marie: I didn't expect anyone who isn't already interested in gender roles to be want to look into that blog post.

Several people have made very specific comments about its content. So obviously, they read it and considered it. I don't understand why you appear to be backing away from a discussion that you started. You know what you sound like? Imagine someone says, "you should just read the bible, then you'll know that christianity is about love." Then people actually read the bible and begin responding to the thesis that christianity is all about love - some of these people even quote the bible. And the OP puts up his hands and says, "yeah, I knew that people who have no interest in the truth wouldn't read it anyway."


I don't know what she's doing, but she's hot and I'll allow it.
 
2010-12-18 11:52:39 PM
dahmers love zombie: 2) "Hir" insistence on not using the word "her" is indicative that she has zero interest in actually discussing the issues, but would rather engage in bullshiat semantic debates (probably held, in her world, in "ovulars" rather than "seminars").

"hir" is supposed to be gender neutral.

So I assume she was talking about any rape, not just a raped female.
 
2010-12-18 11:57:05 PM
Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!
 
2010-12-18 11:57:35 PM
Fano: Ed Grubermann: cryinoutloud: orbitalfreak: Newsflash: Some women like getting ogled and put themselves in positions (heh) for men to ogle them.

You just keep telling yourself that. And I'm telling you that those women are probably pretty farked in the head if they "like" that. Does that make you feel good?

Really? They only do that because they're damaged and not because they think it's fun or an easy way to earn some money?

What the fark is it with the Virgin/Raped-by-her-stepfather mentality? Do we really need to demonize women who are okay with flaunting their sexuality?

Glad to see someone respond to the "obviously people not like me must be mentally damaged" post.


I'm just really sick of that bullshiat. Are there strippers, pole dancers, prostitutes, porn stars, and wt-tee-shirt contestants that are "damaged"? Yes. But that's true of every profession on earth. Even stay-at-home moms. But are the majority of them farked up? Do they do what they do because they are damaged, or is it inconsequential? Would anyone make the same comment about male porn stars?

It's leftovers from the old Madonna/Whore complex: That women are either virgins or soiled goods and no in-between.
 
2010-12-18 11:58:27 PM
steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

Just for you because I know you're on team Edward:

i581.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-19 12:00:28 AM
Genevieve Marie: Yea, it's insanely demeaning to women, but anyone who cares already knows this, and anyone who doesn't isn't going to have their mind changed by this particular story.

So on the off chance you're on the fence, and would like to know what rape culture really feels like for a woman, I'll just leave this here:

Link (new window)


A speciously "highbrow" opinion from a chick who shows leg and doctored boob-grab photos on her profile to attract attention.

Very noble of you to be a downer--but I guess true feminism is to belittle other females for their methods of attracting attention if they don't match up with yours.

Hypocrite.
 
2010-12-19 12:00:36 AM
I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.
 
2010-12-19 12:00:55 AM
steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

operachic.typepad.com
 
2010-12-19 12:02:36 AM
www.jamestownliquor.com
 
2010-12-19 12:02:40 AM
DominaNY: I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.


You said rape more than twice....

Ed Grubermann: steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

I love that guitar
 
2010-12-19 12:02:45 AM
Soooo no pictures of wet boobies? fark you are letting me down...
 
2010-12-19 12:03:33 AM
Tofu: Chariset: Wet wallet contest, then?

Any medium where males display, and where those displays are both public and costly. This applies to most sports (men's sports), to any kind of dancing, to car meets, etc. It also applies to most advertisements that you see. If the only narrative you've been fed is that "women are objectified" then your awareness of male objectification is just nonexistent. So, you're just blind to it in the same way that everyone in the '50s was blind to the objectification of women. But if you simply make a tiny effort to watch for it, you'll become aware of all over the place. That doesn't mean you have to be offended by it. It just means you see it.

Want to practice one? What do you see in this vodka ad?


Chances are, you only see a woman depicted as a sex object. Well, there's also a message in this ad aimed at boys. You must attain a high socioeconomic status (suggested by the suit). You must have at least one woman (often, it's suggested that you need more than one). You must be the "big man" (standing over her). And you have to be able to hold your liquor (a way of competing with other males).

That is just as much pressure on the boys as on the girls. Except that nobody talks about it.


What a load of bollocks.
 
2010-12-19 12:04:42 AM
redmid17: steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

Just for you because I know you're on team Edward:


Ed Grubermann: steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

Good god, I guess I asked for that one........

And I didnt even know what team edward or the other one was, until that burger king(i think) commercial.
 
2010-12-19 12:04:45 AM
DominaNY: Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.

Hey, nothing wrong with a rape fantasy safely fulfilled.
 
2010-12-19 12:05:58 AM
thursdaypostal: DominaNY: Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.

Hey, nothing wrong with a rape fantasy safely fulfilled.


Nope, nothing at all.

A rape fantasy isn't a rape. The ability of either person to stop it at anytime makes it completely and totally consensual.
 
2010-12-19 12:06:19 AM
Genevieve Marie: There's no way anyone has objectively taken the time to go through everything, ponder it and come up with questions based on it.

Is there anything really new in it? I learned about rape culture in college courses I took years ago.

I guess my point is just that it'd be great if we could have a discussion about it instead of a discussion about having a discussion about it. But this is nothing new. Everything on fark is meta. If someone discovers a new dinosaur all we talk about is creationism. If there's economic news all we talk about is how Bush/Obama are good/bad.

On another note, I think I may have mentioned this to you before, but whenever you bring up women's issues, it makes the photo in your profile seem really ironic. You're dressed as Rainbow Bright. "Sexy" rainbow bright to be specific. So, you chose to take a children's character and sexualize it, and you chose to objectify yourself by flaunting your own sexuality. But at the same time, you feel that a wet t-shirt contest is demeaning. I guess you just compartmentalize these things, is that it?
 
2010-12-19 12:07:35 AM
Genevieve Marie: A rape fantasy isn't a rape. The ability of either person to stop it at anytime makes it completely and totally consensual.

How is the desire to 'act out' a rape fantasy not an element of rape culture but a wet t-shirt contest is?
 
2010-12-19 12:07:41 AM
steamingpile: redmid17: steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

Just for you because I know you're on team Edward:

Ed Grubermann: steamingpile: Oh and its severely depressing that there is a lack of we t-shirt images in this thread and the one link was dead, Im way too drunk to go looking for images myself!

Good god, I guess I asked for that one........

And I didnt even know what team edward or the other one was, until that burger king(i think) commercial.


boozeworthy.com

Yes I do have some Macramé jean shorts.
 
2010-12-19 12:08:01 AM
This thread www.geekestateblog.com coulda been a contender!

/Thanks for nothing Farkers.
 
2010-12-19 12:08:23 AM
DominaNY: I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.


bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
 
2010-12-19 12:08:41 AM
steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Only because you choose to think of it that way, dont believe us? Then do this the next time you have a first date with someone, after the bill comes, who gets the check? Who is expected to pay? You know the answer without even thinking. Now, what would happen if the man didnt instantly pay it or pushed it over to the woman to help pay?

That man is instantly in the "Not getting into her panties" zone.

There is a ton of pressure on men in a relationship, men live it every day.
 
2010-12-19 12:09:55 AM
dbubb: DominaNY: I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.


I don't even know you or the context, but I hate you for posting a woman's basketball photo. IT'S NOT EVEN A REAL SPORT!
 
2010-12-19 12:09:56 AM
DominaNY: Hey, Genevieve, there is NO such thing as a "rape culture". All HUMAN cultures include rape, genocide, infanticide, war, and other atrocities.

You are a major buzzkill AND I am a woman. (and an Anthropologist) There is NOTHING wrong with gorgeous women strutting their stuff and a woman who ASSUMES that being sexually attractive creates a rape culture is a woman who hates men, for no other reason than that they are men.

Wanna debate. I'll put my PhD in Cultural Anthropology from Columbia University up against your nasty agenda...I'll even mudfight, have men pay for it, and beat your ass.


hahaha!!!!
I enjoyed this post.

I'm a woman too - and I tend to agree more with you than the poster you're responding to.
If women want to do it - have at it. It's not like it's our only option nowadays.

Having said that - I wouldn't do it. And if I found out my niece or any other young women I knew were doing it, I'd be disappointed and a little sad. Stay off the pole!
 
2010-12-19 12:11:40 AM
Tofu: Chariset: Did they also have a "wet boxers" competition? No? In that case, yes, it demeans women.

Wet t-shirt and wet boxers aren't parallel, so you can't make the determination you're trying to make in that way. Female apes (not just humans) are not as attracted to the body shape of the opposite sex as are male apes. Females' instincts make them attracted to male status and success first, then to his ability to control resources. Females judge males based on the things they do, not the way they look.

So, if you want your comment to actually mean something, you need to ask if any males are presented as "success objects." You need to look at images in the popular culture that depict males and ask if they perpetuate the idea that a man's only worth is the amount of money he has and the number of women he farks. That's the actual equivalent of a wet t-shirt contest.

And by the way, I'm not whining about these depictions of males. I'm totally cool with it. My point is that you no longer have a free pass to claim that women are poor poor downtrodden helpless victims of a culture that objectifies them. Because every time you make that claim, I'm going to point out that men face exactly the same objectification. For every little girl whose life is negatively impacted by depictions of women as sex objects, who gets it into her head that she has to be thin and pretty to be worth anything, there are two or three boys who are negatively impacted by depictions of men as success objects, who get it into their heads that their only worth is the amount of money they amass and the number of women that they have sex with.


You got that right brother. I can remember growing up thinking about and feeling the pressure of "I have to make good grades, go to a good college and get a high paying job so I'll be able to take care of my family. Invest money safely and save for the kids to go to school and would they be ok if something happens to me." All that stuff and the shiat that goes with it. I don't mind admitting I felt that pressure and it was always in the back of my mind. It was hard for me to even relax sometimes and it was stressful.

Really though, when you look at a wet t-shirt contest as demeaning and representative of the "rape culture" we live in, then no amount of logic or fact is going lift the veil from these ladies eyes. They've already crossed into feminazi territory. And I say that with a heavy heart as I hate Rush Limbaugh and everything he stands for.
 
2010-12-19 12:12:31 AM
Boobs are not sexual organs.
Penises are sexual organs.

There are plenty of male wet t-shirt contests.
 
2010-12-19 12:12:55 AM
itsdan: Genevieve Marie: A rape fantasy isn't a rape. The ability of either person to stop it at anytime makes it completely and totally consensual.

How is the desire to 'act out' a rape fantasy not an element of rape culture but a wet t-shirt contest is?


CAUSE SHE WAS ASKING FOR I... I mean.. what?
 
2010-12-19 12:13:03 AM
steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Two things:
1) That's not a particularly effective retort. That's the sort of post that people make when strongly held views are challenged but they're afraid to reflect on those views. So instead, they have a reaction very much like fight-or-flight. Either you tune out the opposing view or you lash out at it.

It'd be great if, instead of having that emotional response, you put a little thought into it and came up with something rational. Tell me where I'm wrong. That's actually why I post on fark - I want my ideas tested.

2) thanks for quoting my entire post. This way, anyone who missed it the first time (and anyone who has me on ignore) has another chance.
 
2010-12-19 12:13:26 AM
defects: The Face Of Oblivion: Protip: women have been viewed as sexual objects throughout human history. You're not going to change that by foregoing showers and waving some shiatty cardboard sign outside a titty bar.

I can't have sex with your personality
I can't stick my penis in your college degree
and I can't shove my fist in your childhood dreams
So why are you sharing all this information with me?


Girl's brains are much stupider
than men's are
so they should listen to us
'cause we are smart

:p

Tofu: Genevieve Marie: I didn't expect anyone who isn't already interested in gender roles to be want to look into that blog post.

Several people have made very specific comments about its content. So obviously, they read it and considered it. I don't understand why you appear to be backing away from a discussion that you started. You know what you sound like? Imagine someone says, "you should just read the bible, then you'll know that christianity is about love." Then people actually read the bible and begin responding to the thesis that christianity is all about love - some of these people even quote the bible. And the OP puts up his hands and says, "yeah, I knew that people who have no interest in the truth wouldn't read it anyway."



Oh snap!

/viva la jon

Link (moar la joieness, MOAR!)
 
2010-12-19 12:14:10 AM
steamingpile: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Only because you choose to think of it that way, dont believe us? Then do this the next time you have a first date with someone, after the bill comes, who gets the check? Who is expected to pay? You know the answer without even thinking. Now, what would happen if the man didnt instantly pay it or pushed it over to the woman to help pay?

That man is instantly in the "Not getting into her panties" zone.

There is a ton of pressure on men in a relationship, men live it every day.


So, who pays if it's two men or two women on a date? Do they wrestle for it, all hot, sweaty and gasping for breath? Does the winner pay, or does the loser? Is the result consistent within the genders of the couples?
 
2010-12-19 12:15:41 AM
steamingpile: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Only because you choose to think of it that way, dont believe us? Then do this the next time you have a first date with someone, after the bill comes, who gets the check? Who is expected to pay? You know the answer without even thinking. Now, what would happen if the man didnt instantly pay it or pushed it over to the woman to help pay?

That man is instantly in the "Not getting into her panties" zone.

There is a ton of pressure on men in a relationship, men live it every day.


You people are farking boring. It's farking saturday night and it's a wet t-shirt thread! what are you farkers smoking?

t3.gstatic.com

t0.gstatic.com

t0.gstatic.com

sorry about that last one
 
2010-12-19 12:16:21 AM
steamingpile: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Only because you choose to think of it that way, dont believe us? Then do this the next time you have a first date with someone, after the bill comes, who gets the check? Who is expected to pay? You know the answer without even thinking. Now, what would happen if the man didnt instantly pay it or pushed it over to the woman to help pay?

That man is instantly in the "Not getting into her panties" zone.

There is a ton of pressure on men in a relationship, men live it every day.


What a steamingpile of bollocks shiate.
 
2010-12-19 12:16:27 AM
I totally agree, a wet boxer competition would be totally demeaning to men. What about our feelings and stuff?

HEY! MY EYES ARE UP HERE!!
 
2010-12-19 12:17:24 AM
redmid17: dbubb: DominaNY: I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.

I don't even know you or the context, but I hate you for posting a woman's basketball photo. IT'S NOT EVEN A REAL SPORT!


I'm really sorry. Accept this as a form of apology: Link (new window) Potentially NSFW
 
2010-12-19 12:18:00 AM
Ed Grubermann: steamingpile: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Only because you choose to think of it that way, dont believe us? Then do this the next time you have a first date with someone, after the bill comes, who gets the check? Who is expected to pay? You know the answer without even thinking. Now, what would happen if the man didnt instantly pay it or pushed it over to the woman to help pay?

That man is instantly in the "Not getting into her panties" zone.

There is a ton of pressure on men in a relationship, men live it every day.

So, who pays if it's two men or two women on a date? Do they wrestle for it, all hot, sweaty and gasping for breath? Does the winner pay, or does the loser? Is the result consistent within the genders of the couples?


Two men = both throwing down $20s until the bill with tip is paid
Two women = hot, sweaty, gaspy denying of responsibility*

*much like me when a girl says it's my kid
 
2010-12-19 12:19:40 AM
itsdan: Genevieve Marie: A rape fantasy isn't a rape. The ability of either person to stop it at anytime makes it completely and totally consensual.

How is the desire to 'act out' a rape fantasy not an element of rape culture but a wet t-shirt contest is?


Rape culture killed your dog. And its suicide, can be justified by the dance makers how they cried and cried.
 
2010-12-19 12:20:07 AM
dbubb: redmid17: dbubb: DominaNY: I read the blog. Further evidence of your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I read it and it has nothing whatsover to do with gender roles, cultural dysfunction, cultural abnomalies. It's a reiterative, nonsensical, and clearly obsessional ranting of a woman in deep OCD about rape.

If you were raped, think you were raped, have fantasies about being raped, look at all men as potential rapists, or any other form of obsessional thinking, I see why coming on Fark and taunting men into debates would fulfill a very intense need you have for confrontation with the "enemy."

You, yourself, are clearly incapable of a rational conversation about gender roles. You're fascinated and obsessed with the actual word "rape". This is a form of paraphilia, a fetishistic and obsessive sexual desire to hear the word, see the word, repeat the word, and discuss the word with men.

You even told me to be quiet and I'm a woman. You have a sexual paraphilia. There are medical histories about men and women who have this. You love to see the word "rape" in print. Fascinating, actually.

Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.

I don't even know you or the context, but I hate you for posting a woman's basketball photo. IT'S NOT EVEN A REAL SPORT!

I'm really sorry. Accept this as a form of apology: Link (new window) Potentially NSFW


ok we're cool

celebs-empire.com Also NSFW
 
2010-12-19 12:20:24 AM
Genevieve Marie: Like I said, I didn't expect anyone who isn't already interested in gender roles to be want to look into that blog post. But it is a well done piece, and it's worth the time of anyone who IS interested.

It's not a well done piece, it's an okay piece. It's better than a lot and that she cites her sources is wonderful. But it's very repetitive, multiple points are made multiple times, presumably to make the article longer but it comes off unstructured. And like most articles of it's type a) uses isolated specific instances to try and draw large conclusions about our entire culture and b) uses legitimate points mixed in with much more far reaching points as if they all held the same weight. Judges blaming victims in court? Perfectly valid. Her whole paragraph on how rape culture is teaching women how to make their chances of being raped lower? Sorry, rape is a crime like any other. If I drive a flashy car in a poor neighborhood and one day find it stolen, that's something I put myself at a higher risk of having happen. It doesn't mean it's my fault, but I could have reduced my risk. People such as the blogger you linked to are the only ones suggesting teaching people how to avoid crime means you're blaming them for it.

And finally there's just some contraditory stuff such as:
Rape culture is refusing to acknowledge that the only thing that the victim of every rapist shares in common is bad farking luck. Rape culture is refusing to acknowledge that the only thing a person can do to avoid being raped is never be in the same room as a rapist. Rape culture is avoiding talking about what an absurdly unreasonable expectation that is, since rapists don't announce themselves or wear signs or glow purple.

What do you mean it's absurd? YOU JUST SUGGESTED IT. Yes it's absurd, that's why no one is "acknowledging" it, it's a useless point. The only way to avoid being mugged is don't be near a mugger. The only way to avoid being car-jacked is not being near a car-jacker. No one tells anyone that because it's an obvious point, but as the author points out it's a useless point, so instead yes, people study statistics about the circumstances of attacks and the same way you're more likely to get mugged at night during the day, there are statistics you can be aware of to help avoid being the victim of a crime, any crime, and while rape may hold a special status due to the trauma to the victim and how much it generally enrages those of us who would never do such a thing, statistics still apply.
 
2010-12-19 12:20:39 AM
From the TFA

Liberal MP Peter Abetz said the competition, which has a $500 prize, was demeaning to women and created an atmosphere in which women were viewed as sexual objects.

Opposition spokeswoman for women's interests, Michelle Roberts, also said the event was "unfortunate" and not good for the women involved.


Over the years I've listened to feminist rail on about the patriarchy. That men are always trying to control and make decisions for women. Yet stories like these the women are doing the same damn thing. It's patronizing and demeaning to act like the participants are stupid children who don't know what's good for them. Welcome to the freedom of choice, I though this was what the feminist in the 60's wanted.

/Women's worst enemy is other women.
 
2010-12-19 12:21:20 AM
The first step toward women breaking through the glass ceiling is pressing their breasts up against it.
 
2010-12-19 12:23:15 AM
it does demean women, but women should have the right to demean themselves anyway they want. it's part of that whole bodily autonomy thing.
 
2010-12-19 12:24:08 AM
acohn: Despite the fact that everyone participates voluntarily, how can anyone with 1 more functioning brain cell than Sterle deny that this is a sexual exhibition that objectifies both performers and spectators? Sometimes, goverments regulate or ban mutually consensual activities, like recreational drug use, because they have collateral effects. For drugs, it's theft to support a drug habit and violence resulting from taking the drugs. For sexual exhibition, the collateral effect is making it acceptable to think about women in primarily sexual terms and the casual discrimination that results from that. A more subtle effect on men is that in encouraging the use of the brain's primitive limbic system in dealing with women, it discourages them from from using their newer neo-cortex to provide the satisfying relationships they say they want with women.

There's no way, even if we wanted to, to remove the sexuality element of interaction between men and women. For the common good, though, we shouldn't promote sexual exhibitionism as public spectacle.


Really? Why? Do you think it leads to rape? What good would it do? For the record I've never been to a wet t-shirt contest, but I have been to a topless bar. Should we close all the go go clubs, strip clubs and take cheerleaders off the sidelines? Cause lets face it, all they're really there for is to look at. Ugly ones don't make the squad.
 
2010-12-19 12:26:27 AM
Tofu: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Two things:
1) That's not a particularly effective retort. That's the sort of post that people make when strongly held views are challenged but they're afraid to reflect on those views. So instead, they have a reaction very much like fight-or-flight. Either you tune out the opposing view or you lash out at it.

It'd be great if, instead of having that emotional response, you put a little thought into it and came up with something rational. Tell me where I'm wrong. That's actually why I post on fark - I want my ideas tested.

2) thanks for quoting my entire post. This way, anyone who missed it the first time (and anyone who has me on ignore) has another chance.


"Ooh, I have testicles and I'm being oppressed! Halp!" That's about the extent of your 'rational' argument.
 
2010-12-19 12:26:53 AM
itsdan: And finally there's just some contraditory stuff such as:
Rape culture is refusing to acknowledge that the only thing that the victim of every rapist shares in common is bad farking luck. Rape culture is refusing to acknowledge that the only thing a person can do to avoid being raped is never be in the same room as a rapist. Rape culture is avoiding talking about what an absurdly unreasonable expectation that is, since rapists don't announce themselves or wear signs or glow purple.

What do you mean it's absurd? YOU JUST SUGGESTED IT. Yes it's absurd, that's why no one is "acknowledging" it, it's a useless point. The only way to avoid being mugged is don't be near a mugger. The only way to avoid being car-jacked is not being near a car-jacker. No one tells anyone that because it's an obvious point, but as the author points out it's a useless point, so instead yes, people study statistics about the circumstances of attacks and the same way you're more likely to get mugged at night during the day, there are statistics you can be aware of to help avoid being the victim of a crime, any crime, and while rape may hold a special status due to the trauma to the victim and how much it generally enrages those of us who would never do such a thing, statistics still apply.


It's absurd because the vast majority of rapes are done by someone known to the person in question. Rape prevention techniques are really basic crime fighting techniques and should be taught to everyone- they're not in any way effective at preventing rape specifically, and yet they're highly cited as something that women should be aware of at all times.
 
2010-12-19 12:27:46 AM
Genevieve Marie: thursdaypostal: DominaNY: Have fun with rape. Your delusional mind has intense fantasies and FARK feeds right into them.

Hey, nothing wrong with a rape fantasy safely fulfilled.

Nope, nothing at all.

A rape fantasy isn't a rape. The ability of either person to stop it at anytime makes it completely and totally consensual.


I'm a little bit surprised you cling to any semblance of traditional reproductive roles at all. Egg-only reproduction, where the genetic contents of one egg is extracted and placed into another egg, is either now possible or will be soon. Eliminate men and you eliminate rape. Eliminate men and you eliminate inequality. It would be easier and more cost-effective to kill half the human race than to change their intrinsic qualities whether established by nature or nurture.
 
2010-12-19 12:27:55 AM
brainiac-dumdum: it does demean women, but women should have the right to demean themselves anyway they want. it's part of that whole bodily autonomy thing.

Agreed completely. I would never advocate making anything like this illegal.
 
2010-12-19 12:30:05 AM
steerforth: Tofu: steerforth: What a load of bollocks.

Two things:
1) That's not a particularly effective retort. That's the sort of post that people make when strongly held views are challenged but they're afraid to reflect on those views. So instead, they have a reaction very much like fight-or-flight. Either you tune out the opposing view or you lash out at it.

It'd be great if, instead of having that emotional response, you put a little thought into it and came up with something rational. Tell me where I'm wrong. That's actually why I post on fark - I want my ideas tested.

2) thanks for quoting my entire post. This way, anyone who missed it the first time (and anyone who has me on ignore) has another chance.

"Ooh, I have testicles and I'm being oppressed! Halp!" That's about the extent of your 'rational' argument.


8/10 - I think you may have got him hooked.
 
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