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2010-12-18 12:06:39 PM
Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.
 
2010-12-18 12:17:10 PM
The picture choice seems a bit bizarre, and I can't quite put my finger on why. It looks like it's a shot for some magazine article as opposed to something for a news story
 
2010-12-18 12:19:17 PM
How horrible that kids have to play with black tape covered curtain rods these days. Won't someone think of the children and buy this kid a real rifle?
 
2010-12-18 12:20:05 PM
FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

It wasn't even a toy gun. The kid in the article was playing with a broken curtain pole with some black tape on it.

I don't know that I'd blame the police so much as the idiot that called the cops on the kid in the first place.
 
2010-12-18 12:20:43 PM
The headline and picture caption say he was arrested. The article doesn't really mention it.
 
2010-12-18 12:22:12 PM
I also like how the article casually tosses out "oh yeah the kid and his family are homeless too" at the very end
 
2010-12-18 12:23:20 PM
resources1.news.com.au

Odd picture...
 
2010-12-18 12:23:34 PM
I just want to know why the police dropped their guns after they found out there was no harm.

Seems like holstering them is a better move.

/not a cop
 
2010-12-18 12:24:18 PM
Sounds to me someone in the neighborhood called the cops on the kid and told them he had a real weapon.
 
2010-12-18 12:25:42 PM
zarberg: How horrible that kids have to play with black tape covered curtain rods these days. Won't someone think of the children and buy this kid a real rifle?

ARE YOU KIDDING??????

He might put someone's eye out!
 
2010-12-18 12:26:20 PM
vroomazoom: Odd picture...

Both the mom and the kid look like they were shopped in.
 
2010-12-18 12:26:23 PM
Menace II Sobriety: I just want to know why the police dropped their guns after they found out there was no harm.

Seems like holstering them is a better move.

/not a cop


They're French.
 
2010-12-18 12:27:33 PM
Schlock: vroomazoom: Odd picture...

Both the mom and the kid look like they were shopped in.


Can you tell by the pixels?
 
2010-12-18 12:27:38 PM
That is nuts! Hell back in the day, our squirt or other play guns didn't have orange tips, and every thing was just fine. It wasn't until they were used in actual crimes that they changed that law.

Now this??? Because there was a dangerous rash of 12 yrs olds with possible gun shaped objects running rampant, I'm sure...
 
2010-12-18 12:27:39 PM
FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?
 
2010-12-18 12:27:51 PM
Reminds of when I was a kid riding around the mall parking lot with a battery powered water pistol that looked exactly like an uzi. No orange tip, very realistic. Wonder what would happen to any kids that tried something like that these days?

/ah, the 80's
 
2010-12-18 12:28:26 PM
FTFA: Tom had to be treated for shock at hospital as a result of the incident.


Really? He looks more like a bully 12 year old than a pansy-arse fop.

Might have more to do with his mom trying to position for a chance to sue than anything to do with his being in shock...
 
2010-12-18 12:29:55 PM
Im am not a fan of shower curtain rods. We need to ban them.
 
2010-12-18 12:30:50 PM
I hate homeless people.
 
2010-12-18 12:33:21 PM
The Smails Kid: Schlock: vroomazoom: Odd picture...

Both the mom and the kid look like they were shopped in.

Can you tell by the pixels?


I was thinking more the lighting on them is completely off from the rest of the picture. But I actually know from seeing quite a few shops in my time

/almost put 'ships', wonder if that would have started a new meme
 
2010-12-18 12:34:06 PM
Heh.

A buddy and I once got half a dozen cops pulling guns on us because of Laser Tag.

Turns out, little old ladies can't tell the difference between those and real guns, even though we've got lots of 'flashing light' items, and there's no sounds of gunfire.
 
2010-12-18 12:37:25 PM
Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?



You don't really want me to link to hundreds of reports of a kid shooting another kid after finding a real gun, or of kids being shot by cops who though the toy they had was real, do you? Come on, we all know it happens hundreds of times every year. I personally believe that kids should be taught that guns are deadly weapons, not toys, and should be treated with respect and a little fear.

I honestly don't understand how not having children is relevant to my belief on the topic of toy guns.
 
2010-12-18 12:42:40 PM
Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?


I would have asked him if he played with dolls as a kid. Or if he grew up with just sisters and a mother.
 
2010-12-18 12:43:54 PM
We used to run around the woods with pump action BB guns having some pretty epic battles when I was a teenager. Probably get an air strike called in if we tried doing it today. Paint Ball is for pussies, BB's hurt like a mother farker.
 
2010-12-18 12:48:26 PM
rebelyell2006: Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?

I would have asked him if he played with dolls as a kid. Or if he grew up with just sisters and a mother.



How about I have a healthy respect for guns after being trained with them, actually using them, having been shot at, as well as reading about dead kids from playing with guns?

I think it's a bad idea. My kids will be trained with real guns, taught they are deadly weapons, and not taught to think that they are toys. Wow, I'm a real fool for that.
 
2010-12-18 12:51:38 PM
"You don't really want me to link to hundreds of reports of a kid shooting another kid after finding a real gun, or of kids being shot by cops who though the toy they had was real, do you? Come on, we all know it happens hundreds of times every year."

2007, United States
Unintentional Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 12
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34



Number of
Deaths Population Crude
Rate
51 52,993,768 0.10

"Hundreds of times every year"? Huh...
 
2010-12-18 12:56:08 PM
FarkinHostile: rebelyell2006: Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?

I would have asked him if he played with dolls as a kid. Or if he grew up with just sisters and a mother.


How about I have a healthy respect for guns after being trained with them, actually using them, having been shot at, as well as reading about dead kids from playing with guns?

I think it's a bad idea. My kids will be trained with real guns, taught they are deadly weapons, and not taught to think that they are toys. Wow, I'm a real fool for that.


The article, and our comments, have nothing to do with real guns and everything to do with kids playing with toy guns. Stop changing the subject. I have sympathy for you for not having a father figure in your life and for not having a normal male childhood, but don't take it out on everybody else.
 
2010-12-18 01:03:45 PM
More likely, someone was probably just sick of having a homeless family hanging around their neighborhood and had to think of something.

Oh, and that kids looks grown enough to get some sort of job, even if his mother probably won't. Call it a hunch.
 
2010-12-18 01:05:20 PM
He's lucky he didn't have a water sprinkler nozzle....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/death-of-man-killed-by-long-beach - police-ruled-a-homicide.html

(Article does not mention that the cops failed to identify themselves or even tell him to drop the gun, and that they wre in hiding and he could not see them. He turned and pointed the nozzle in a two handed stance at what he thought was blank space and was shot with two police shotguns and several handguns.)

He was also drunk. My thought is that he found the gun-shaped water nozzle, and was acting out some little "James Bond" or goodguys-badguys fantasy while waiting there for his friend to arrive. Some idiot called the LBPD.

Lived in Long Beach for 3 years. LBPD are all corrupt assholes.
 
2010-12-18 01:05:47 PM
they should have fired until their magazines were empty, then reloaded just to be sure.

It's all in the name of Officer Safety.
 
2010-12-18 01:07:38 PM
This is a sad, sad story. Man I used to run around with toys guns that looked real. If the police and swat were called on me then I would have shiat myself.


First the kid is homeless, then as he's OUTSIDE (which is good for kids anyhow) *playing* he is traumatized by some arse-holed neighbor that called saying there is someone suspicious with a gun behind a fence? Comeon.
 
2010-12-18 01:08:36 PM
Overreact: to react or respond more strongly than is necessary or appropriate.

/The cops were retards.
//Former LEO
 
2010-12-18 01:09:01 PM
sounds like the kid was taking cues from the russian front.


/and it likely looks potato chopped b/c the photographer likely used flash units and didn't bother to put on cto filters.
 
2010-12-18 01:25:27 PM
*
My fellow Americans.... (am I really claiming you?!?!)

PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES BACK ON!!!!!!

(OMFG, terrarists rr hiden in mi buches!!! Oh please Bama SAVE US!!! We's jus poor helpless white people. We cants protekt oursleves cause we jus pubik shcool citazens. Send the milertary!!! AlKida gonna blows us up!!!)

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I got this!!!! (hold mi beer)


punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com

/Wake the FARK Up!!!! A child was playing the same game that children have been playing for DECADES! ...and with a CURTAIN rod, WTF people!!
 
2010-12-18 01:27:14 PM
IH8SPAMMERS: *
My fellow Americans.... (am I really claiming you?!?!)

PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES BACK ON!!!!!!

(OMFG, terrarists rr hiden in mi buches!!! Oh please Bama SAVE US!!! We's jus poor helpless white people. We cants protekt oursleves cause we jus pubik shcool citazens. Send the milertary!!! AlKida gonna blows us up!!!)

I got this!!!! (hold mi beer)

/Wake the FARK Up!!!! A child was playing the same game that children have been playing for DECADES! ...and with a CURTAIN rod, WTF people!!


It occurred in Australia, you stupid piece of shiat.
 
2010-12-18 01:31:08 PM
FarkinHostile: rebelyell2006: Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?

I would have asked him if he played with dolls as a kid. Or if he grew up with just sisters and a mother.


How about I have a healthy respect for guns after being trained with them, actually using them, having been shot at, as well as reading about dead kids from playing with guns?

I think it's a bad idea. My kids will be trained with real guns, taught they are deadly weapons, and not taught to think that they are toys. Wow, I'm a real fool for that.


I like your approach. "Here's a real gun, this is what they look and feel like. Here's how to handle one safely. Here's a toy gun, this is what it looks and feels like. Here's how you safely play with them." And I say safely play with them because there's NO FORCE ON EARTH that will stop a young boy from playing "guns".

My mom didn't let me, and yet at my friends house it's what we did. My nephew plays soldier despite the fact his mom tried to prevent it. You can bet that that 12 year old did not regard real guns as playthings. Most children don't. I'm willing to bet most accidental shootings are cases of not knowing they were handling a real gun.

The person at fault here is the hysterical neighbor who can't tell the difference between a stick and a real rifle. A grown man and a 12 year old boy.
 
2010-12-18 01:31:35 PM
justsomefnguy: Reminds of when I was a kid riding around the mall parking lot with a battery powered water pistol that looked exactly like an uzi. No orange tip, very realistic. Wonder what would happen to any kids that tried something like that these days?

/ah, the 80's


Terrorists, the lot of them. We'll execute them with all the people that have read or know about Wikileaks
 
2010-12-18 01:34:44 PM
rebelyell2006: IH8SPAMMERS: *
My fellow Americans.... (am I really claiming you?!?!)

PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES BACK ON!!!!!!

(OMFG, terrarists rr hiden in mi buches!!! Oh please Bama SAVE US!!! We's jus poor helpless white people. We cants protekt oursleves cause we jus pubik shcool citazens. Send the milertary!!! AlKida gonna blows us up!!!)

I got this!!!! (hold mi beer)

/Wake the FARK Up!!!! A child was playing the same game that children have been playing for DECADES! ...and with a CURTAIN rod, WTF people!!

It occurred in Australia, you stupid piece of shiat.


*Since you obviously haven't figured it out yet!! We are the world dictatorship, A$$w1p3!!! Now bow down to your lords!!!
 
2010-12-18 01:34:52 PM
So this kid was likely dreaming of becoming a cop or a soldier.

One day he'll get to do the same thing to some unlucky kid.

Nice hazing.
 
2010-12-18 01:34:56 PM
ThisNameSux: We used to run around the woods with pump action BB guns having some pretty epic battles when I was a teenager. Probably get an air strike called in if we tried doing it today. Paint Ball is for pussies, BB's hurt like a mother farker.

Yes! and there wasn't any cops called out for it, either.

/most of us lived
//for the others, shait happens
///it's our sort of natural selection
 
2010-12-18 01:36:20 PM
drewogatory: "You don't really want me to link to hundreds of reports of a kid shooting another kid after finding a real gun, or of kids being shot by cops who though the toy they had was real, do you? Come on, we all know it happens hundreds of times every year."

2007, United States
Unintentional Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 12
ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34



Number of
Deaths Population Crude
Rate
51 52,993,768 0.10

"Hundreds of times every year"? Huh...


Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000
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In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and 3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19 age group...

THE STATISTICS are astounding. In 1991 alone, 3,247 children and teenagers were murdered and 1,436 committed suicide with guns, and 551 died in unintentional shootings, according to the National Center for Health Statistics...



Yeah, hundreds of times every year.


rebelyell2006

The article, and our comments, have nothing to do with real guns and everything to do with kids playing with toy guns. Stop changing the subject.

I'm pretty sure that I clearly was talking about my beliefs about toy guns in my posts. You really can't understand how the topic of toys guns, in a thread about cops almost shooting a kid because they thought he had a real gun, is connected to real guns, and teaching proper respect and training?


I have sympathy for you for not having a father figure in your life and for not having a normal male childhood, but don't take it out on everybody else.


Nice ignorant personal attack. I'm sure everyone is impressed with your insight and eloquence.

During my "not normal male childhood" I was taken to guns ranges, where I was taught how to shoot real weapons, and I was taught respect for them. Almost got my head taken off by the range master for joking while he was standing in the fire zone.

Do you see how that was done, rebelyell2006? No ignorant personal attacks, just posted relevant statistics and made my informed opinion clear. That is the way you enlighten others as well as not look like an idiot. Just trying to help. :)
 
2010-12-18 01:36:30 PM
RazorRex: This is a sad, sad story. Man I used to run around with toys guns that looked real. If the police and swat were called on me then I would have shiat myself.


First the kid is homeless, then as he's OUTSIDE (which is good for kids anyhow) *playing* he is traumatized by some arse-holed neighbor that called saying there is someone suspicious with a gun behind a fence? Comeon.


The moral of the story is to stay inside and be afraid
 
2010-12-18 01:37:40 PM
FarkinHostile: Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?


You don't really want me to link to hundreds of reports of a kid shooting another kid after finding a real gun, or of kids being shot by cops who though the toy they had was real, do you? Come on, we all know it happens hundreds of times every year. I personally believe that kids should be taught that guns are deadly weapons, not toys, and should be treated with respect and a little fear.

I honestly don't understand how not having children is relevant to my belief on the topic of toy guns.


That is because you do not have kids. There is nothing I can say to you to make you understand.

Can you please cite your sources to the stats you posted plz.
 
2010-12-18 01:39:42 PM
Wow, growing up in No. Ireland must really suck.
 
2010-12-18 01:44:02 PM
ptelg:

I'm willing to bet most accidental shootings are cases of not knowing they were handling a real gun.

That is exactly the point.


The person at fault here is the hysterical neighbor who can't tell the difference between a stick and a real rifle. A grown man and a 12 year old boy.


There is no real "fault" here, and luckily no harm. There are shootings in my city by kids weekly. If you can't understand how a "gun like object" can be mistaken by someone (who might have only seen it for a second, or has vision problems, or ect, ect.) then you should really think about it. Calling the cops if you see a kid running around your neighborhood with what appears to be a rifle (which many kids most certainly have access to) is the smart thing to do, unless you don't mind having a round come through your wall by some dumb kid who doesn't understand the consequences of playing with guns.
 
2010-12-18 01:44:54 PM
FarkinHostile: drewogatory:

During my "not normal male childhood" I was taken to guns ranges, where I was taught how to shoot real weapons, and I was taught respect for them. Almost got my head taken off by the range master for joking while he was standing in the fire zone. :)


And I was given a .22 rifle at age 8 and told not to shoot my Mom. I knew better than to shoot my Dad, it'd just piss him off and get me a whuppin', Classes came when I got a hunting license at 12, only because the state pusses required it.

/MAN UP
//even with legislature, you can get shot
///where do ya think loop-holes come from?
 
2010-12-18 01:45:14 PM
farking teal and orange.
 
2010-12-18 01:47:57 PM
ptelg: FarkinHostile: rebelyell2006: Kirk's_Toupee: FarkinHostile: Well, he's lucky he didn't get shot, really. Sadly, in today's day and age, a play or toy gun can get a kid killed. I am not a fan of toy guns anyway, as I see them guiding/teaching kids to be...contemptuous?...of firearms, "training" them that it is ok point a gun at people and pull the trigger and there are no consequences. I think that kind of thinking might be a factor in accidental shootings, where a child finds a REAL gun, and thinks it's the same thing.

You know how I can tell you do not have kids?

I would have asked him if he played with dolls as a kid. Or if he grew up with just sisters and a mother.


How about I have a healthy respect for guns after being trained with them, actually using them, having been shot at, as well as reading about dead kids from playing with guns?

I think it's a bad idea. My kids will be trained with real guns, taught they are deadly weapons, and not taught to think that they are toys. Wow, I'm a real fool for that.

I like your approach. "Here's a real gun, this is what they look and feel like. Here's how to handle one safely. Here's a toy gun, this is what it looks and feels like. Here's how you safely play with them." And I say safely play with them because there's NO FORCE ON EARTH that will stop a young boy from playing "guns".

My mom didn't let me, and yet at my friends house it's what we did. My nephew plays soldier despite the fact his mom tried to prevent it. You can bet that that 12 year old did not regard real guns as playthings. Most children don't. I'm willing to bet most accidental shootings are cases of not knowing they were handling a real gun.

The person at fault here is the hysterical neighbor who can't tell the difference between a stick and a real rifle. A grown man and a 12 year old boy.


Exactly. Kids need to be kids. People need to stop reading into everything thing they do. They are not adults. They learn through play. It is not only my duty as a parent to protect my kids but also to prepare them for the real world. By the looks of it, it is going to be surreal.

Wasn't there a Dateline that showed a gun control advocate's son immediately pick up an unloaded gun and start pointing at people, despite the fact she forbade it and preached it on a daily basis?

one can take away all the toy guns.
images.spoof-media.com
 
2010-12-18 01:51:00 PM
angry_scientist 2010-12-18 12:27:38 PM
That is nuts! Hell back in the day, our squirt or other play guns didn't have orange tips, and every thing was just fine. It wasn't until they were used in actual crimes that they changed that law.

Now this???
Because "back in the day" (god I hate that phrase) cops weren't cowardly little tw@ts that draw on and shoot anything that moves.

F them all.
 
2010-12-18 01:51:59 PM
OnlyM3: angry_scientist 2010-12-18 12:27:38 PM
That is nuts! Hell back in the day, our squirt or other play guns didn't have orange tips, and every thing was just fine. It wasn't until they were used in actual crimes that they changed that law.

Now this???
Because "back in the day" (god I hate that phrase) cops weren't cowardly little tw@ts that draw on and shoot anything that moves.

F them all.


yes, they had batons, too.
 
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