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(Hot Air)   Wikileaks: Cuban doctors walked out of a screening of Michael Moore's Sicko and the film was banned in Cuba due to the "blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba"   (hotair.com) divider line 492
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2010-12-18 11:46:49 AM  
Phil Herup: Fail in Human Form: The 9/11 first responders are dying to prove you wrong. Literally.


What... did they not get paid for their work?

They did.

[laughs moar]


they were also lied to (by the federal government) about the safety of their working conditions.
 
2010-12-18 11:46:51 AM  
Cmon Phil I'm waiting for you to tell me why we can't use China as an example. Or Germany. Or the UK. Or France.
 
2010-12-18 11:47:31 AM  
T-Luv: And that's an even bigger crock of shiat. I'm sure the guy who got sent home paid his income taxes like everyone else. The US government spends 4.8 billion on cancer research a year, but only the most privileged get the benefit of that spending. But right wingers will continue to go on and on about how poor people leach off the government.

Absolutely. The guy living paycheck to paycheck isn't spending his money the way a guy with a 3% tax cut on a billion dollars does. /sarcasm
 
2010-12-18 11:47:51 AM  
Phil Herup: How about it? You want to compare the US to the ChiComs?

You said the population in Sweden was too small. How about a country with a larger population? What's your excuse then?
 
2010-12-18 11:48:01 AM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: In other words, you can't defend your point so I should?

So you also ignore the fact that i did defend my point.

Why was Mr. Moore asking to change the subject when his BS regarding Cuba was exposed ? why didn't he defend it ?


I'm done repeating myself. Reread the thread and then you'll get back to the answer to the question you just asked.


/This thread can be like your own personal GOTO 10 loop
 
2010-12-18 11:48:30 AM  
TappingTheVein: Watch the video again regarding infant mortality reports in Cuba. Harder this time if you didn't already.

I like the part where Michael says "Ok let's forget about Cuba and focus on Canada."
 
2010-12-18 11:49:09 AM  
Phil Herup: cameroncrazy1984: How about China?

How about it? You want to compare the US to the ChiComs?


How about Canada? France? England? You let us know when you hit one. How about any regional Canadian province? How about Estonia? How about...
 
2010-12-18 11:49:43 AM  
SoxSweepAgain: vernonFL: #1. Moore is a douche.

#2. So now conservatives have no problems reading, commenting and forwarding the Wikileaked information? I thought this was treason?

I could not agree more on your SECOND point, and I could not agree LESS on your first point.


did moore purposely misrepresent the cuban healthcare system in his movie?
 
2010-12-18 11:50:15 AM  
Tyee: Tyee: Halli: They use the same cables that people have pointed out are false.

I'll stand corrected if you provide the link that THE GUARDIAN is using cable that is "false" as a basis for their story.
Fair enough?

When Halli finds a link from those credible "people" he cited I'll be doing Christmas preparations and picking up a kid from her stay in Europe, so will one of you responsible farkers handle it for me? thanks in advance.


Link (new window)

I do like your gym in 26 minutes excuses.
 
2010-12-18 11:50:28 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: [citation needed]

It was provided. Read up.

Fail in Human Form: I did, everything he was biatching about was either a result of the embargo, although he doesn't believe that, or a result of living in a dictatorship. Not a defense of your point about Moore.

How hard is it to grasp such a simple concept ? a simple fact: Moore presented the health-care in Cuba as an example in his film. He was basing his point on incorrect information.

I wasn't talking about the dictatorship, embargo or whatever goal posts you try to move to, i stated a simple fact.
 
2010-12-18 11:50:57 AM  
s2s2s2: I like the part where Michael says "Ok let's forget about Cuba and focus on Canada."

No no, no comparisons are valid because they aren't the US. And comparing Hawaii to other states isn't valid either.
 
2010-12-18 11:51:23 AM  
TappingTheVein: It was provided. Read up.

No no, I don't want "he changed the subject." Give me hard numbers. Where was he wrong?
 
2010-12-18 11:52:29 AM  
TappingTheVein: Razorwolf: but he created something with that film

I created a mound of dog shiat. It's more truthful regarding Cuban health-care than Moore's film.


Ya but you only have to open your mouth to do that and anything that comes from there is far from truthful
 
2010-12-18 11:52:43 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: How about a country with a larger population? What's your excuse then?


China is homogenous. We are diverse. Genetic and cultural differences play a huge role in our lives and health.

Plus if there is one country that you need to read any statistics they give with a pound of salt, China is up near the top of the list.


To argue with a leftist and their willful ignorance on the status of health care delivery in the world is simply retarded. Their minds are closed.
 
2010-12-18 11:52:51 AM  
TappingTheVein: How hard is it to grasp such a simple concept ? a simple fact: Moore presented the health-care in Cuba as an example in his film. He was basing his point on incorrect information.

What information did he present that was incorrect? I wouldn't doubt there is some, but given your posts it's very doubtful that you have any examples.
 
2010-12-18 11:53:00 AM  
thenooch: Modmins drunk again? Can't greenlight any new news?

THIS.
 
2010-12-18 11:54:07 AM  
Phil Herup: To argue with a leftist and their willful ignorance on the status of health care delivery in the world is simply retarded. Their minds are closed.

Then give us a valid statistic to change our minds. Give us something concrete rather than just "USA Number ONE!"
 
2010-12-18 11:55:46 AM  
Phil Herup: cameroncrazy1984: How about a country with a larger population? What's your excuse then?


China is homogenous. We are diverse. Genetic and cultural differences play a huge role in our lives and health.

Plus if there is one country that you need to read any statistics they give with a pound of salt, China is up near the top of the list.


To argue with a leftist and their willful ignorance on the status of health care delivery in the world is simply retarded. Their minds are closed.


Okay, Japan and China are out. How about Germany, France, Italy, the UK? Populations not big and diverse enough? How about the EU as a whole? Is that a good comparison? Or aren't any of them true Scotsmen?
 
2010-12-18 11:56:29 AM  
CanisNoir: Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate.

So all this time that the shait's been hitting the fan with American diplomatic cables you've been believing it hands down, yet the moment he pokes a hole in your favorite fatties movie and you're all "It's a FAKE!!! I see PIXELS!!"

Wow, and they call me a stooge.


citation needed
 
2010-12-18 11:57:32 AM  
So much lib butthurt in here... c'mon guys, keep it coming!
 
2010-12-18 11:57:42 AM  
Fail in Human Form: I'm done repeating myself. Reread the thread and then you'll get back to the answer to the question you just asked.

You tried answering, i pointed out that you were, how shall i say this, inventing why he changed the subject.

Here i'll repeat: "He was getting bogged down is a discussion exposing his unreliable data. This was my point. He changed the subject when confronted with the question "why believe what they (Cuban government) says"."

Again, a simple fact from the video.

I'm waiting for your answer.
 
2010-12-18 11:58:30 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: How about the EU as a whole?



How about we take your mom as a hole?


How about not trusting the statistics from the state that has a vested interest in protecting the reputation of the state run system?
 
2010-12-18 11:58:39 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: Okay, Japan and China are out. How about Germany, France, Italy, the UK? Populations not big and diverse enough? How about the EU as a whole? Is that a good comparison? Or aren't any of them true Scotsmen?

I think you're looking for the exceptionalist fallacy, unless of course you were actually referring to the Scots not being true Scotsmen but a bunch of kilt-wearing haggis nibblers, which is verifiably true.
 
2010-12-18 11:59:32 AM  
Phil Herup: How about not trusting the statistics from the state that has a vested interest in protecting the reputation of the state run system?

But a private system is 100% truthful and not looking out for its interests?
 
2010-12-18 12:00:14 PM  
It is interesting that this information came after michael moore put up part of assange's bail.
 
2010-12-18 12:00:28 PM  
Phil Herup: cameroncrazy1984: How about the EU as a whole?



How about we take your mom as a hole?



This is the mature rational debate I have come to expect from good ol' Phil.
 
2010-12-18 12:00:36 PM  
Phil Herup: How about not trusting the statistics from the state that has a vested interest in protecting the reputation of the state run system?

Okay, then use WHO's neonatal surveys of households.

The US still loses.
 
2010-12-18 12:00:46 PM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: I'm done repeating myself. Reread the thread and then you'll get back to the answer to the question you just asked.

You tried answering, i pointed out that you were, how shall i say this, inventing why he changed the subject.

Here i'll repeat: "He was getting bogged down is a discussion exposing his unreliable data. This was my point. He changed the subject when confronted with the question "why believe what they (Cuban government) says"."

Again, a simple fact from the video.

I'm waiting for your answer.


Asked and answered.
 
2010-12-18 12:01:12 PM  
TappingTheVein: You tried answering, i pointed out that you were, how shall i say this, inventing why he changed the subject.

Here i'll repeat: "He was getting bogged down is a discussion exposing his unreliable data. This was my point. He changed the subject when confronted with the question "why believe what they (Cuban government) says"."

Again, a simple fact from the video.

I'm waiting for your answer


So your entire argument is based on one guy's interpretation of why Moore changed the subject, rather than on actual hard numbers?

Good God, man, you're an idiot!
 
2010-12-18 12:01:17 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: No no, I don't want "he changed the subject." Give me hard numbers. Where was he wrong?

I did. Several times.

wasteofspace: Ya but you only have to open your mouth to do that and anything that comes from there is far from truthful

I just adore ad hominem posts. They say alot about the person posting them and their argument.

bigdavediode: What information did he present that was incorrect? I wouldn't doubt there is some, but given your posts it's very doubtful that you have any examples.

How great the health-care in Cuba is. I won't repeat this again.
 
2010-12-18 12:02:13 PM  
T-Luv: This is the mature rational debate I have come to expect from good ol' Phil.

He degraded from GaryPDX to Libbynomore2 over the last two months, it makes me sad.
 
2010-12-18 12:03:11 PM  
Suddenly, alts everywhere.
 
2010-12-18 12:04:03 PM  
TappingTheVein: How great the health-care in Cuba is. I won't repeat this again.

Great compared to what?

/I really do feel like I'm having the same discussion over and over and over and over
 
2010-12-18 12:05:17 PM  
TappingTheVein: bigdavediode: What information did he present that was incorrect? I wouldn't doubt there is some, but given your posts it's very doubtful that you have any examples.

How great the health-care in Cuba is. I won't repeat this again.


Ummm... okay, so the health-care system is Cuba is bad, but you can't explain why.

I can. In fact, I can come up with a bunch of problems. Do you need me to take over your argument for you? You seem unable to put up a fight.
 
2010-12-18 12:07:02 PM  
Halli: But a private system is 100% truthful and not looking out for its interests?


Are you really this dumb?

We do not have a private system that colludes to protect itself. That would be impossible on so many levels to accomplish.

The record keeping in US medical care is pretty serious as well.
 
2010-12-18 12:07:10 PM  
Fail in Human Form: Asked and answered.

So the mods deleted it by accident ?

cameroncrazy1984: So your entire argument is based on one guy's interpretation of why Moore changed the subject, rather than on actual hard numbers?

Good God, man, you're an idiot!


No. I was basing it on evidence from hospitals around Cuba (as shown in the link itself), not the one Moore was inspecting.

What made you ask such a profoundly stupid question ?
 
2010-12-18 12:08:03 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: Guess what? You guys still lost Waterloo.



Well, it was Waterloo if there was a good chance following the battle of Waterloo that the courts would rule that Wellington's defeat of Napoleon was unconstitutional.
 
2010-12-18 12:08:03 PM  
DADT just passes cloture in the Senate...
 
2010-12-18 12:08:39 PM  
Phil Herup: Are you really this dumb?

We do not have a private system that colludes to protect itself. That would be impossible on so many levels to accomplish.

The record keeping in US medical care is pretty serious as well.


But everywhere else it's falsified?
 
2010-12-18 12:09:28 PM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: Asked and answered.

So the mods deleted it by accident ?

cameroncrazy1984: So your entire argument is based on one guy's interpretation of why Moore changed the subject, rather than on actual hard numbers?

Good God, man, you're an idiot!

No. I was basing it on evidence from hospitals around Cuba (as shown in the link itself), not the one Moore was inspecting.

What made you ask such a profoundly stupid question ?


I think I've found the disconnect. Those conditions are still better than healthcare for some here AND those conditions are the result of our embargo NOT the health care system.
 
2010-12-18 12:10:01 PM  
Phil Herup: We do not have a private system that colludes to protect itself. That would be impossible on so many levels to accomplish.

The record keeping in US medical care is pretty serious as well.


That's why you never read about health care fraud in the US.
 
2010-12-18 12:10:51 PM  
Halli: Tyee: Tyee: Halli: They use the same cables that people have pointed out are false.

I'll stand corrected if you provide the link that THE GUARDIAN is using cable that is "false" as a basis for their story.
Fair enough?

When Halli finds a link from those credible "people" he cited I'll be doing Christmas preparations and picking up a kid from her stay in Europe, so will one of you responsible farkers handle it for me? thanks in advance.

Link (new window)

I do like your gym in 26 minutes excuses.


www.overclock.net
 
2010-12-18 12:12:04 PM  
Surely, anyone who disagrees with my infallible leftist worldview must be an alt and a troll.

And you guys wonder why normal people call you elitist jackasses.
 
2010-12-18 12:12:24 PM  
Phil Herup: cameroncrazy1984: How about the EU as a whole?



How about we take your mom as a hole?


How about not trusting the statistics from the state that has a vested interest in protecting the reputation of the state run system?


...riight. So then the US stats must be made up too, right? I have never seen anyone so keen on avoiding a debate as I have seen you do right now. I wonder why that is.
 
2010-12-18 12:13:39 PM  
libs keep banning me: Surely, anyone who disagrees with my infallible leftist worldview must be an alt and a troll.

And you guys wonder why normal people call you elitist jackasses.


Nah, it's really the insults which really make people think you're just an alt or a troll.

Especially when you got nothing else to back it up with.
 
2010-12-18 12:15:03 PM  
libs keep banning me: Surely, anyone who disagrees with my infallible leftist worldview must be an alt and a troll.

And you guys wonder why normal people call you elitist jackasses.


No, we don't. You guys call everyone that ANYWAY. Having strong opinions that disagree with you elicits that reaction. It's part of your massive persecution complex that makes you feel like any dissension is a personal attack against you.

Also, LOL at "normal people."
 
2010-12-18 12:15:16 PM  
Fail in Human Form: Great compared to what?

Compared to what the Cuban health-care actually is.

Fail in Human Form: I really do feel like I'm having the same discussion over and over and over and over

Trust me, you're not the only one.

bigdavediode: Ummm... okay, so the health-care system is Cuba is bad, but you can't explain why.

Yes, i did. Read up.
Or just head over to Youtube and watch.

bigdavediode: I can. In fact, I can come up with a bunch of problems. Do you need me to take over your argument for you? You seem unable to put up a fight.

Selective reading ? mild retardation ? some kind of eyesight impairment ? what is it ?
 
2010-12-18 12:17:05 PM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: Great compared to what?

Compared to what the Cuban health-care actually is.


That's like saying Burger King is a better gourmet meal than McDonald's. In the large scope, they both suck.
 
2010-12-18 12:19:56 PM  
Mrtraveler01: TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: Great compared to what?

Compared to what the Cuban health-care actually is.


That's like saying Burger King is a better gourmet meal than McDonald's. In the large scope, they both suck.


Apparently you've never had a Rodeo Cheeseburger at BK
 
2010-12-18 12:20:12 PM  
Mrtraveler01: That's like saying Burger King is a better gourmet meal than McDonald's. In the large scope, they both suck.

Burger King is better. MMNNnnn "Flamed Broiled" nom nom nom
 
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