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(Hot Air)   Wikileaks: Cuban doctors walked out of a screening of Michael Moore's Sicko and the film was banned in Cuba due to the "blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba"   (hotair.com) divider line 492
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2010-12-18 06:21:51 AM  
Hobodeluxe:
I seriously doubt this is accurate. if it was banned it wasn't because it made the Cuban healthcare system look better than it was. that just doesn't make any sense. why would a govt ban a great piece of propaganda that made them look good?

Note that it is banned in CUBA. Sicko shows the hospital that Party members use. Cubans use hospitals that look more like old auto shops, and which are chronically short of supplies. The Party Boys don't want the peasants to see how the Party elite live, because it would stir unrest.

 
2010-12-18 06:25:29 AM  
GeneralJim: Do you honestly think the 'Democratic lens' is any clearer?

I think it's pretty well established that it is.
 
2010-12-18 06:25:43 AM  
As stated before, Moore is the left's Rush. He appeals to the fringe emotions of the less intellectual of the liberals.
 
2010-12-18 06:26:11 AM  
Michael Moore might be an idiot and a douche, but he created something with that film. I still see people on Fark preaching the quality of Cuban healthcare as compared to ours. They don't remember where they got that idea, and can't provide links, because nobody wants to say that Michael Moore is their truth. It's like they kept the info but blocked out the source.

This article, so far after the fact, should serve only those who forgot that the source of their "Cuba is awesome" info was a moronic sow.
 
2010-12-18 06:28:09 AM  
GeneralJim: Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate. if it was banned it wasn't because it made the Cuban healthcare system look better than it was. that just doesn't make any sense. why would a govt ban a great piece of propaganda that made them look good?
Note that it is banned in CUBA. Sicko shows the hospital that Party members use. Cubans use hospitals that look more like old auto shops, and which are chronically short of supplies. The Party Boys don't want the peasants to see how the Party elite live, because it would stir unrest.


For some reason, your post makes me think of the movie "Welcome to Woop Woop"
 
2010-12-18 06:34:06 AM  
Oh, so now conservatives (insert various logical fallacies to bend and twist logic into something vaguely making it look like conservatives are hypocrites)
 
2010-12-18 06:39:36 AM  
Lemme see if I got this right: Cuban citizens with strong political ties to their government get better access to health care than most other citizens?

What a shiathole.
 
2010-12-18 06:41:39 AM  
Frank N Stein: Oh, so now conservatives (insert various logical fallacies to bend and twist logic into something vaguely making it look like conservatives are hypocrites)

Conservatives support Michael Moore because he shows how much of a fool Michael Moore is.
 
2010-12-18 06:43:16 AM  
FailOut08: Lemme see if I got this right: Cuban citizens with strong political ties to their government get better access to health care than most other citizens?

What a shiathole.


The rich and powerful enjoy better lives than the poor and weak?

That's un-American.
 
2010-12-18 06:47:54 AM  
Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate.

So all this time that the shait's been hitting the fan with American diplomatic cables you've been believing it hands down, yet the moment he pokes a hole in your favorite fatties movie and you're all "It's a FAKE!!! I see PIXELS!!"

Wow, and they call me a stooge.
 
2010-12-18 06:48:11 AM  
Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate. if it was banned it wasn't because it made the Cuban healthcare system look better than it was. that just doesn't make any sense. why would a govt ban a great piece of propaganda that made them look good?

This.
 
2010-12-18 06:55:30 AM  
There's only one way to know for sure. Vamos a Cuba!
 
2010-12-18 06:56:13 AM  
Maybe they banned the interview with Sean Hannity and Moore where Fox used blatantly fake footage and got confused when asked about it.

/still not rushing to Cuba for health care
 
2010-12-18 06:58:40 AM  
CanisNoir: Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate.

So all this time that the shait's been hitting the fan with American diplomatic cables you've been believing it hands down, yet the moment he pokes a hole in your favorite fatties movie and you're all "It's a FAKE!!! I see PIXELS!!"

Wow, and they call me a stooge.


he didn't say he thought the cable was a fake. he said he doubted the accuracy of the claim made in the cable.


But the reason he's not a stooge and you are, is because he will actually discuss this and his opinion may possibly change and he won't stubbornly cling to his opinion despite mountains of evidence showing it to be wrong.
 
2010-12-18 07:02:02 AM  
 
2010-12-18 07:08:44 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: Seems Moore has responded rather quickly (new window)

damn. looks like he's right.

Link (new window)
 
2010-12-18 07:08:51 AM  
Michael Moore is a multi-millionaire profiting off the gullible small minds of lefty libs who actually believe this man's lies.

He has none of my money, but plenty of yours! Suckers.
 
2010-12-18 07:09:50 AM  
Phil Herup: Michael Moore is a multi-millionaire profiting off the gullible small minds of lefty libs who actually believe this man's lies.

not mine. I only listen to Rush and Hannity.
 
2010-12-18 07:11:25 AM  
Razorwolf: but he created something with that film

I created a mound of dog shiat. It's more truthful regarding Cuban health-care than Moore's film.
 
2010-12-18 07:12:03 AM  
Phil Herup: Michael Moore is a multi-millionaire profiting off the gullible small minds of lefty libs who actually believe this man's lies.

He has none of my money, but plenty of yours! Suckers.


What's wrong with profiting? Are you saying he's bootstrappy and successful?
 
2010-12-18 07:12:43 AM  
log_jammin: Salt Lick Steady: Seems Moore has responded rather quickly (new window)

damn. looks like he's right.

Link (new window)


then again....I wonder if it was edited...

does fark have any cuban exiles we could have clear this up?
 
2010-12-18 07:16:54 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: What's wrong with profiting? Are you saying he's bootstrappy and successful?

No, like Algore, any money he makes is because he's a huckster.
 
2010-12-18 07:17:23 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: Seems Moore has responded rather quickly (new window)

Most of the people derping in this thread won't read that article so let me quote part of it for them.

"OK, so we know the media is lazy and sucks most of the time. But the bigger issue here is how our government seemed to be colluding with the health insurance industry to destroy a film that might have a hand in bringing about what the Cubans already have in their poverty-ridden third world country: free, universal health care. And because they have it and we don't, Cuba has a better infant mortality rate than we do, their life expectancy is just 7 months shorter than ours, and, according to the WHO, they rank just two places behind the richest country on earth in terms of the quality of their health care."
 
2010-12-18 07:17:31 AM  
[reads thread]


So the left has finally decided that Michael Moore no longer serves their interest and has decided to finally throw him under the bus.

Just a few years ago he was a god who told nothing but absolute truth as he exposed the truths behind the lies of the conservatives.

Now it is fashionable on the left to call him a douche. Wow, you people are a pathetic hive.
 
2010-12-18 07:18:44 AM  
lol deth panelz
 
2010-12-18 07:20:16 AM  
Salt Lick Steady: What's wrong with profiting?



Profit is evil. That money belongs to the government!
 
2010-12-18 07:22:17 AM  
Phil Herup: So

Truly, if the mods let you troll today, it may just be the end of Fark for me. I cannot farking stand you; nobody can.
 
2010-12-18 07:23:34 AM  
Phil Herup: Now it is fashionable on the left to call him a douche. Wow, you people are a pathetic hive.

I call anyone that I don't agree with a douche, regardless of his politics. You douche.
 
2010-12-18 07:32:47 AM  
Fail in Human Form: according to the WHO, they rank just two places behind the richest country on earth in terms of the quality of their health care

The data used by WHO is given by the country's government.
Maybe they should interview doctors all around the country to get the truth.

Take a look here.
 
2010-12-18 07:34:34 AM  
log_jammin:
GeneralJim: Do you honestly think the 'Democratic lens' is any clearer?

I think it's pretty well established that it is.

All the Democratic Party think tanks say so...

 
2010-12-18 07:35:01 AM  
Fail in Human Form: But the bigger issue here is how our government seemed to be colluding with the health insurance industry to destroy a film that...

THAT right there is why I hate Michael Moore so much. He argues exactly like a right winger.

how exactly does one line in a confidential document, that was leaked years later, serve in anyway to destroy his film?
 
2010-12-18 07:35:48 AM  
GeneralJim: All the Democratic Party think tanks say so...

but not you. cause you're such a free and independent thinker.
 
2010-12-18 07:36:45 AM  
Hotair? Seriously... fark off fark. Die your slow death. Need more NRO or WND. Pathetic mods. Give us a REASON link!!! Those guys are totally legit. Freeper links don't work for the sane. Just a tip assholes. Just admit your Kock bro's funding Drew. Your site is shiat now.
 
2010-12-18 07:41:23 AM  
log_jammin: Fail in Human Form: But the bigger issue here is how our government seemed to be colluding with the health insurance industry to destroy a film that...

THAT right there is why I hate Michael Moore so much. He argues exactly like a right winger.

how exactly does one line in a confidential document, that was leaked years later, serve in anyway to destroy his film?


Read the article
 
2010-12-18 07:44:30 AM  
GeneralJim: log_jammin: GeneralJim: Do you honestly think the 'Democratic lens' is any clearer?

I think it's pretty well established that it is.
All the Democratic Party think tanks say so...


The D party that just passed tax cuts for the wealthy? GeneralJim: log_jammin: GeneralJim: Do you honestly think the 'Democratic lens' is any clearer?

I think it's pretty well established that it is.
All the Democratic Party think tanks say so...


Enjoy your budget deficit you farking idiot. Good job attacking them D's though! More spend less tax! The ignorance of America and the the farking retards who can't do 2 plus 2. Math is Science. And Science is bad to Right wing Corporate drone sheep.
 
2010-12-18 07:46:14 AM  
Fail in Human Form: Read the article

I did. I even linked to the story about cuba running the movie, that I got from the article.

I'll ask again. How does a secret/confidential document reporting that "XXXXXXX" said the movie was banned "destroy" his film? especially since the document was leaked and not released by the government?
 
2010-12-18 07:53:04 AM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: according to the WHO, they rank just two places behind the richest country on earth in terms of the quality of their health care

The data used by WHO is given by the country's government.
Maybe they should interview doctors all around the country to get the truth.

Take a look here.


Wouldn't all the data be somewhat biased then? It's the only measure we have availaTappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: according to the WHO, they rank just two places behind the richest country on earth in terms of the quality of their health care

The data used by WHO is given by the country's government.
Maybe they should interview doctors all around the country to get the truth.

Take a look here.


Interesting video but I would argue that it reenforces Moore's point. The CIA statistics given say the discrepancy in life is 78 years vs 77.1 despite the horrible conditions. The difference being access to care. I assume you got to the part about aborting down syndrome babies and ignored the rest. If we ended the embargo they would be able to give those children the extensive care they would require.
 
2010-12-18 07:53:06 AM  
vernonFL: #1. Moore is a douche.

#2. So now conservatives have no problems reading, commenting and forwarding the Wikileaked information? I thought this was treason?


Moore esssentially became a douche after Roger and Me. That film at least exposed some hard truths about GM, the city of Flint, and even the UAW, to some extent. After that point, he became a sort of left-wing version of Ann Coulter and each one of his films has been worse than the previous one, worthy only of the agitprop tag.
 
2010-12-18 07:53:51 AM  
Phil Herup: Salt Lick Steady: What's wrong with profiting?



Profit is evil. That money belongs to the government!


Your shiat is tired. The rich get richer and they continue to do so under Obama. So many have shown you graphs and charts to make it easier for your small mind to understand complex data but you continue to spew farking stupid.

How can one be so farking stupid when proven over and over again that you spew stupid farking talking points?
 
2010-12-18 07:57:32 AM  
mikemoto: vernonFL: #1. Moore is a douche.

#2. So now conservatives have no problems reading, commenting and forwarding the Wikileaked information? I thought this was treason?

Moore esssentially became a douche after Roger and Me. That film at least exposed some hard truths about GM, the city of Flint, and even the UAW, to some extent. After that point, he became a sort of left-wing version of Ann Coulter and each one of his films has been worse than the previous one, worthy only of the agitprop tag.


Oh please. STFU. Seriously, where do you even get that from. The same as Ann Coulter? Wow. Just wow. Stupid as hell.
 
2010-12-18 08:01:05 AM  
log_jammin: Fail in Human Form: Read the article

I did. I even linked to the story about cuba running the movie, that I got from the article.

I'll ask again. How does a secret/confidential document reporting that "XXXXXXX" said the movie was banned "destroy" his film? especially since the document was leaked and not released by the government?


I would assume people opposed to the film were saying there were classified docs countering Moore's claims but I don't have a citation.
 
2010-12-18 08:04:24 AM  
kevn357: Oh please. STFU. Seriously, where do you even get that from. The same as Ann Coulter? Wow. Just wow. Stupid as hell.

Agreed, Coulter is at least intelligent and witty when she lobs bombs, Moore is just douchtastic. No comparison what so ever.
 
2010-12-18 08:06:48 AM  
no shiat. michael moore is a hack shiatpiece... oops, this is fark, it's not news! ;-)
 
2010-12-18 08:07:36 AM  
gawddamnit i'm agreeing with canisnoir again that's not good!
 
2010-12-18 08:08:42 AM  
Fail in Human Form: Wouldn't all the data be somewhat biased then?

To some extent sure but it's hard to argue with doctors testimony from the regular hospitals showing you how bad things are.

Moore himself asks to skip the subject of Cuba and move on to other countries when these facts are brought up.

Fail in Human Form: The CIA statistics given say the discrepancy in life is 78 years vs 77.1 despite the horrible conditions. The difference being access to care. I assume you got to the part about aborting down syndrome babies and ignored the rest.

I didn't ignore the rest, i just pointed out that Moore "eleborated" when it came to Cuba.

Here's the updated life expectancy lists (UN Vs. CIA). According the UN Cuba and the US are tied.
 
2010-12-18 08:10:21 AM  
kevn357: Your shiat is tired.



The irony of that statement is palpable.


kevn357: The rich get richer and they continue to do so under Obama.


That is a good thing. When the rich get poor, we may have a serious problem. Of course morans like you enjoy shared misery.

kevn357: So many have shown you graphs and charts....


Yes charts and graphs, graphs and charts... how could I ever disagree with anything on a chart? When you put data onto a chart it becomes infallible, I forgot.


kevn357: How can one be so farking stupid when proven over and over again that you spew stupid farking talking points?


You do not even know how dumb you are. At least you have that going for you.

Hey... have you threatened anyone else with physical violence lately on the internet, tough guy?
 
2010-12-18 08:20:03 AM  
Yes, under Obama care we get this new app

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2010-12-18 08:33:44 AM  
TappingTheVein: Fail in Human Form: Wouldn't all the data be somewhat biased then?

To some extent sure but it's hard to argue with doctors testimony from the regular hospitals showing you how bad things are.

Moore himself asks to skip the subject of Cuba and move on to other countries when these facts are brought up.

Fail in Human Form: The CIA statistics given say the discrepancy in life is 78 years vs 77.1 despite the horrible conditions. The difference being access to care. I assume you got to the part about aborting down syndrome babies and ignored the rest.

I didn't ignore the rest, i just pointed out that Moore "eleborated" when it came to Cuba.

Here's the updated life expectancy lists (UN Vs. CIA). According the UN Cuba and the US are tied.


He wanted to move on because the discussion was about single payer vs HMO's and he was getting bogged down in a discussion of disparity of wealth between the US and Cuba which is a separate discussion.
 
2010-12-18 08:36:39 AM  
CanisNoir: Hobodeluxe: I seriously doubt this is accurate.

So all this time that the shait's been hitting the fan with American diplomatic cables you've been believing it hands down, yet the moment he pokes a hole in your favorite fatties movie and you're all "It's a FAKE!!! I see PIXELS!!"

Wow, and they call me a stooge.


It's been demonstrated this story is a lie. The movie was shown to the entire nation of Cuba.

Are you willing to change your stance, or are you going to again carry the water, a la the 9/11 bill?
 
2010-12-18 08:43:24 AM  
Fail in Human Form: He wanted to move on because the discussion was about single payer vs HMO's and he was getting bogged down in a discussion of disparity of wealth between the US and Cuba which is a separate discussion

He was getting bogged down is a discussion exposing his unreliable data. This was my point. He changed the subject when confronted with the question "why believe what they (Cuban government) says".
 
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