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2010-12-16 12:45:32 PM  
Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter
 
2010-12-16 12:56:11 PM  
I say leave the headline. While the Pope's statement is open to doubt and debate, there can be no disagreement with the headline. Its truth is immutable and absolute.

*waves pope hand over keyboard*
 
2010-12-16 01:11:32 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


No way. Leave it, and let the mockery begin.

This thread is now about the headline.
 
2010-12-16 01:20:56 PM  
you're right. There's no group of Christians that is more persecuted than Christians.

i.imgur.com
 
2010-12-16 01:27:55 PM  
...Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group...

news.bbc.co.uk

TOTALLY!
 
2010-12-16 02:16:42 PM  

CitizenTed: ...Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group...

TOTALLY!


Water is the wateriest...
 
2010-12-16 02:17:02 PM  
brilliant
 
2010-12-16 02:18:07 PM  
The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.
 
2010-12-16 02:18:19 PM  
This post is the dumbest of all my posts in this thread.
 
2010-12-16 02:19:18 PM  

serial_crusher: you're right. There's no group of Christians that is more persecuted than Christians.


+1 internets
 
2010-12-16 02:19:38 PM  
I disagree.

I believe the Bee Gees were the most persecuted Christian group.
 
2010-12-16 02:19:41 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


We should persecute people who don't preview headlines before submission I says ;)
 
2010-12-16 02:20:16 PM  

serial_crusher: you're right. There's no group of Christians that is more persecuted than Christians.


You know, I disagree with the whole Christian persecution hype, but those charts are beyond stupid. Blacks mad up about 90% of South Africa but they were must definitely persecuted. Shockingly, majorities can be persecuted by minorities.
 
2010-12-16 02:20:20 PM  
Predicting epic thread!
 
2010-12-16 02:20:41 PM  
"Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group..."

I've been scooped!

img360.imageshack.us
 
2010-12-16 02:20:42 PM  
You cant fault the logic there. Christians are the most persecuted Christians.

Submitters are the most persecuted idiots.
 
2010-12-16 02:20:44 PM  
And Bills are the worst NFL team in Buffalo, too.
 
2010-12-16 02:20:45 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


freudian slip subby?

/fark atheists are like that
 
2010-12-16 02:20:58 PM  

rudemix: Predicting epic thread!


The most epic thread of all epic threads perhaps?
 
2010-12-16 02:21:11 PM  
Can he be a little more specific and add: white, rich, male and republican?
 
2010-12-16 02:21:21 PM  
Atheists must react to this...
 
2010-12-16 02:21:24 PM  
So wait...now the pope is lumping all Christians together. So he has no problem with Baptists and Lutherans?

Wow, I always knew the Church was the whore of Babylon, but I never knew how much cock she sucked. Hope all that mangravy doesn't stop the pope from spreading his dissenting poison to third-world nations and teaching them that God is love just not the kind of love which you can eat or keep warm.

Piss on the pope and his garbage.
 
2010-12-16 02:21:30 PM  
The message reflected a pressing concern by Benedict in recent months for the plight of Christian minorities in parts of the world, especially in the Middle East.

Can a Muslim pray to Mecca Vatican?
 
2010-12-16 02:21:50 PM  
Subby's gonna get crucified.
 
2010-12-16 02:22:10 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?


sheesh
 
2010-12-16 02:22:48 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


/Points
//Laughs
 
2010-12-16 02:23:03 PM  
You got Christianity in my Christianity!
 
2010-12-16 02:23:47 PM  
FTA: "Sadly, the year now ending has again been marked by persecution, discrimination, terrible acts of violence and religious intolerance," Benedict lamented in the message for World Peace Day, celebrated by the church on Jan. 1, but traditionally released in advance.

Yes, cause they are SOO TOLERANT
 
2010-12-16 02:23:53 PM  
Wonder if those priesty boys feel persecuted.

More like penetrated
 
2010-12-16 02:23:55 PM  
Why do I have trouble drumming up sympathy for a Nazi billionaire?
 
2010-12-16 02:24:02 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh


Now it makes sense, and the answer is "yes."
 
2010-12-16 02:24:51 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca Vatican?


You can pray to the Mexivatican Juan time only.
 
2010-12-16 02:24:52 PM  
Personally, I find the divide between the shiates and the Shias more dramatic though I guess everyone does make a lot of fun of the Mormons.
 
2010-12-16 02:24:53 PM  
Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline. So tell me, Mr. Pope, in your multi-thousand dollar slippers, fine silk robes, sitting on a golden throne, how are christians persecuted? I was just thinking to myself: "Self" I says "Why oh why don't we live in a world where christians can own land, vote, gain wealth and hold positions of power? Why aren't they allowed to openly go to their houses of worship, free from violence and abuse? Why God? WHY??!"
 
2010-12-16 02:25:04 PM  
I thought the error was going to be 'Catholics were the most oppressed Christian group.' I would have believed either.
 
2010-12-16 02:25:04 PM  
Is this the tautology club meeting?
 
2010-12-16 02:25:07 PM  
I'm persecuting a Christian right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/On the internet, nobody knows you're a lion.
 
2010-12-16 02:25:19 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: So wait...now the pope is lumping all Christians together. So he has no problem with Baptists and Lutherans?

Wow, I always knew the Church was the whore of Babylon, but I never knew how much cock she sucked. Hope all that mangravy doesn't stop the pope from spreading his dissenting poison to third-world nations and teaching them that God is love just not the kind of love which you can eat or keep warm.

Piss on the pope and his garbage.


thanks for your contribution. now enjoy eternity with the other lost souls in my ignore dungeon.
 
2010-12-16 02:25:28 PM  

Ponzholio: The most epic thread of all epic threads perhaps?


This thread will be the most epic that this thread has ever seen.
 
2010-12-16 02:26:01 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh


FTFY:
images1.memegenerator.net
 
2010-12-16 02:27:15 PM  

Ponzholio: rudemix: Predicting epic thread!

The most epic thread of all epic threads perhaps?


It has the makings. Religion, Popery, persecution complex and one giant headline fark up.
 
2010-12-16 02:27:56 PM  

www.globalresearch.ca

They eat their own

 
2010-12-16 02:28:02 PM  

xalres: Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline. So tell me, Mr. Pope, in your multi-thousand dollar slippers, fine silk robes, sitting on a golden throne, how are christians persecuted? I was just thinking to myself: "Self" I says "Why oh why don't we live in a world where christians can own land, vote, gain wealth and hold positions of power? Why aren't they allowed to openly go to their houses of worship, free from violence and abuse? Why God? WHY??!"


Wow, some one really failed to read the farking article.

Say, sport, why don't you ask your mom to come downstairs and read it to you?

/or are you subby's alt trying to make subby look less like a retard in comparison to you?
 
2010-12-16 02:28:10 PM  
The Rev. Dawkins says that Atheists are the most oppressed Atheist group.
 
2010-12-16 02:28:12 PM  
Actually, it would be odd if he said the same thing about Jews, yes?
 
2010-12-16 02:29:34 PM  

BIGNICKEL: Is this the tautology club meeting?


Are you seriously asking us a rhetorical question?

/ Seriously?
 
2010-12-16 02:29:44 PM  
I agree. I routinely beat a Christian until his is frothing at the
 
2010-12-16 02:30:16 PM  
Of all the christian groups, I hate the christian's the most.
 
2010-12-16 02:30:17 PM  
This pope was ordained in the early fifties. What I'd really like to see, is this guy come clean on all the pedo priests he's been personally involved with -- just him -- shuffling these guys around from place to place. We're talking the early fifties, here. That's 60 years of shuffle! I bet there's more than just a bunch of them.
 
2010-12-16 02:30:19 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


FAIL
 
2010-12-16 02:30:47 PM  
Pope Benedict XVI singled out Christians as the religious group that suffers from the most persecution on Thursday

Yeah, but it's the Jews who get persecuted Friday through Monday, Muslims on Tuesday, and Scientologists on Wednesday.
 
2010-12-16 02:31:02 PM  
Christians are the most persecuted Christians who are Christians that are persecuted Christians are...

files.sharenator.com
 
2010-12-16 02:31:39 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.


Seems like something happened in 1945, didn't it? Negative consequence of bombing Pearl Harbor?
 
2010-12-16 02:32:15 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


It only got greenlit because of this, methinks.
 
2010-12-16 02:32:44 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Pope Benedict XVI singled out Christians as the religious group that suffers from the most persecution on Thursday

Yeah, but it's the Jews who get persecuted Friday through Monday, Muslims on Tuesday, and Scientologists on Wednesday.


Scientology isn't a religion, its science!
 
2010-12-16 02:32:48 PM  

BIGNICKEL: Is this the tautology club meeting?


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2010-12-16 02:32:59 PM  

xalres: Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline.


no YOU are orders of magnitude dumber than the headline
 
2010-12-16 02:33:51 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh


Muslims pray to Allah. So the answer is: no.
A Meccanite might be able to pray in the Vatican.
But I don't think the church is cool with robosexualilty.
 
2010-12-16 02:33:55 PM  
Pope says Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group

I may not know a damn thing about theology, but I know a tautology when I see one.
 
2010-12-16 02:34:05 PM  
Calling the Pope a Nazi is way out of line and low. If you know your history, membership in the Hitler youth group was involuntary. To the uneducated morons that jump to conclusions, subby makes it seem as though the Pope were a die-hard Nazi.
 
2010-12-16 02:34:12 PM  
www.loeser.us
 
2010-12-16 02:35:01 PM  

Sticky Hands: Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh

Muslims pray to Allah. So the answer is: no.
A Meccanite might be able to pray in the Vatican.
But I don't think the church is cool with robosexualilty.


What a Meccanite might look like:

criticalmas.com
 
2010-12-16 02:35:01 PM  

colon_pow: Cookbook's Anarchist: So wait...now the pope is lumping all Christians together. So he has no problem with Baptists and Lutherans?

Wow, I always knew the Church was the whore of Babylon, but I never knew how much cock she sucked. Hope all that mangravy doesn't stop the pope from spreading his dissenting poison to third-world nations and teaching them that God is love just not the kind of love which you can eat or keep warm.

Piss on the pope and his garbage.

thanks for your contribution. now enjoy eternity with the other lost souls in my ignore dungeon.


I know you won't see this, but I must address that it hyperbolic in its intensity (Hey, it's Fark!). I simply disagree with his assessment that Christians or any sub-sect of its doctrine are more persecuted.

Eh, least you have less to see on the board.
 
2010-12-16 02:35:38 PM  
Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)
 
2010-12-16 02:35:54 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: xalres: Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline.

no YOU are orders of magnitude dumber than the headline


Listen, buddy, I don't take orders from anybody. Certainly not orders of magnitude.
 
2010-12-16 02:36:54 PM  
I will also add that the pope is overly concerned with 50+ killings versus the slaughter both sides are seeing in the Israeli conflicts.

Seems his real problem is that the Jews are involved again.
 
2010-12-16 02:37:17 PM  
Obviously Christians are persecuted much more often than Jews because there are a lot more of them.
 
2010-12-16 02:37:58 PM  
I believe that Christians are the most persecuted Christian group. As soon as Christianity got started, it's been breaking into different sects which hate each other.
 
2010-12-16 02:38:34 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense? It's supposed have said "Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian religious group," but I obviously had a bit of a brain fart there. Thanks.

/submitter


Aw, don't be so hard on yourself. Climb down off that cross and rejoin the group. =)
 
2010-12-16 02:39:27 PM  

WildManBand: Calling the Pope a Nazi is way out of line and low. If you know your history, membership in the Hitler youth group was involuntary. To the uneducated morons that jump to conclusions, subby makes it seem as though the Pope were a die-hard Nazi.


Ha-ha. Boo-hoo.
 
2010-12-16 02:39:29 PM  

Nocens: Atheists must react to this...


I think they are still arguing in this thread. (new window)
 
2010-12-16 02:40:34 PM  

lhclubs: Bennie Crabtree: xalres: Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline.

no YOU are orders of magnitude dumber than the headline

Listen, buddy, I don't take orders from anybody nobody. Certainly not orders of magnitude.


fixed that for you.
 
2010-12-16 02:41:56 PM  
Yeah, societies always start persecution with tax-free status for the victims.
 
2010-12-16 02:43:00 PM  

Omnivorous: Yeah, societies always start persecution with tax-free status for the victims.


Man... that is almost subby-grade weapons stupid.
 
2010-12-16 02:43:04 PM  

Braindeath: Personally, I find the divide between the shiates and the Shias more dramatic though I guess everyone does make a lot of fun of the Mormons.


Well, magic underpants are just plain funny.
 
2010-12-16 02:43:28 PM  

rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)


If we were looking for goddam facts we sure as hell wouldnt be in this thread with that headline would we?

Now pick up a virtual pitchfork or a torch and get with the abuse of Xians on the internet or GTFO.

TEAM XIANS CAUSED XMAS AND I HATE XMAS SO F*CK XIANS
 
2010-12-16 02:43:55 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: TheShavingofOccam123: So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.

Seems like something happened in 1945, didn't it? Negative consequence of bombing Pearl Harbor?


You know who else bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2010-12-16 02:44:10 PM  
Worship Jesus, join our church, and give us money.

No.

Stop persecuting us!
 
2010-12-16 02:44:53 PM  

WildManBand: Calling the Pope a Nazi is way out of line and low. If you know your history, membership in the Hitler youth group was involuntary. To the uneducated morons that jump to conclusions, subby makes it seem as though the Pope were a die-hard Nazi.


After the number of dishonest things that old, satin robed liar has said in his career and the lives he ruined because of it - everyone that died needlessly of AIDS while he was telling the poor and uneducated that condoms were the problem; the number of gay teenagers that killed themselves or tried to or who had to leave home because he made them feel less than a person or made their families turn against them...the list goes on...

After all of that and more I hope he never shakes the Nazi connection and I hope it's the last thing on his mind when he dies and relieves us all of his damaging presence.
 
2010-12-16 02:45:15 PM  
When did the Pope become spokesperson for Christianity? The Catholic Church is but 1 of a couple dozen Christian denomination, none of which list the pope as their supreme leader.
 
2010-12-16 02:45:20 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: TheShavingofOccam123: So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.

Seems like something happened in 1945, didn't it? Negative consequence of bombing Pearl Harbor?

You know who else bombed Pearl Harbor?


The motherhumping buddhists.
 
2010-12-16 02:45:26 PM  
i51.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-16 02:45:45 PM  

WildManBand: Calling the Pope a Nazi is way out of line and low. If you know your history, membership in the Hitler youth group was involuntary. To the uneducated morons that jump to conclusions, subby makes it seem as though the Pope were a die-hard Nazi.


And yet, somehow, 10-20% of German youth managed not to join. The Pope was not one of those.
 
2010-12-16 02:45:45 PM  
The headline is stupid because Christians are the only persecuted Christian group.
 
2010-12-16 02:46:35 PM  
I know it's fashionable to mock Christians on fark BUT the pope is right on this point.
Most farkers are mocking probably because of the hypocritical Christian attitudes stateside (and some deservingly so) but truth is Christians as a group is by far the most persecuted in many countries especially in the Middle East.
We just don;t hear about them on the news.
 
2010-12-16 02:46:49 PM  

gshepnyc: After the number of dishonest things that old, satin robed liar has said in his career and the lives he ruined because of it - everyone that died needlessly of AIDS while he was telling the poor and uneducated that condoms were the problem; the number of gay teenagers that killed themselves or tried to or who had to leave home because he made them feel less than a person or made their families turn against them...the list goes on...


He kicked my dog too. The tall hatted son of a frau.
 
2010-12-16 02:46:52 PM  
Actually THIS is the most persecuted Christian group, and for good reason....
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2010-12-16 02:47:09 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: WildManBand: Calling the Pope a Nazi is way out of line and low. If you know your history, membership in the Hitler youth group was involuntary. To the uneducated morons that jump to conclusions, subby makes it seem as though the Pope were a die-hard Nazi.

And yet, somehow, 10-20% of German youth managed not to join. The Pope was not one of those.


There was a typo in the headline. It should have read: "New pope deified Nazis as teen during WWII"
 
2010-12-16 02:49:56 PM  
i56.tinypic.com
 
2010-12-16 02:50:31 PM  
 
2010-12-16 02:50:53 PM  
FTA:
Pope Benedict XVI singled out Christians as the religious group that suffers from the most persecution on Thursday, denouncing lack of freedom of worship as an "intolerable" threat to world security.

The message reflected a pressing concern by Benedict in recent months for the plight of Christian minorities in parts of the world, especially in the Middle East.

"Sadly, the year now ending has again been marked by persecution, discrimination, terrible acts of violence and religious intolerance," Benedict lamented in the message for World Peace Day, celebrated by the church on Jan. 1, but traditionally released in advance

He wrote that he was especially thinking of Iraq ",which continues to be a theater of violence and strife" as it aims for stability and reconciliation.

Benedict singled out the "reprehensible attack" on a Baghdad cathedral during Mass in October, killing two priests and more than 50 other worshippers, as well as attacks on private homes that "spread fear within the Christian community and (create) a desire on the part of many to emigrate in search of a better life."

The Vatican voiced concerns that the steadily flight of Christians from Iraq will effectively eliminate the ancient community there.

"At present, Christians are the religious group which suffers most from persecution on account of its faith," the pontiff asserted, and cited Christian communities suffering from violence and intolerance particularly in Asia, Africa, the Middle East and the Holy Land.

"This situation is intolerable, since it represents an insult to God and to human dignity" as well as "a threat to security and peace," Benedict wrote in one of the 17-page-long message's strongest passages.

He appealed to authorities to "act promptly to end every injustice" against Christians.

Benedict didn't cite countries, but in past years church officials have lamented that Christians - most of them migrant workers - are forbidden to worship in Saudi Arabia.

Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib said Benedict was right to be concerned about the state of Christians in the Palestinian territories.

"The Israeli occupation is making their life difficult and the Israeli occupation is responsible for the declining of number within the Christian community," he said.

Over the years, Christians in the West Bank have blamed the difficult economic situation and harassment by Muslims as reasons for increased emigration.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman sympathized with the pope's concerns.

"Israel shares the pope's preoccupation. The Christian presence is a blessing in Israel, and so it should be considered by other countries regarding their own Christian populations," Yigal Palmor said.

About 123,000 Christians live in Israel, while another 50,000 live in the West Bank and Gaza.

Benedict also criticized what he called "more sophisticated forms of hostility to religion, which, in Western countries, occasionally find expression in a denial of history and the rejection of religious symbols which reflect the identity and the culture of the majority of its citizens."

Benedict has been continuing a campaign launched by his predecessor, the late John Paul II, to reinvigorate Europe's "Christian roots."

The Vatican has criticized initiatives in some Western countries to ban crucifixes from public places, ranging from classrooms to courtrooms, including in predominantly Catholic Italy.


I wonder how the Jews feel about this? Or for that matter those other Muslims that have also been attacked and killed in Iraq for belonging to a different sect. I think their numbers have been much higher.
 
2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM  
Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.
 
2010-12-16 02:52:11 PM  
to be fair to his statement, christians ARE persecuted in areas like central asia/africa/china

but i'd say they aren't nearly as persecuted as a lot of ethnic groups are, even today you have "slow-genocides" all over the world, and among religious groups christians aren't even close to being as persecuted as many smaller religious groups
 
2010-12-16 02:53:17 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I know it's fashionable to mock Christians on fark BUT the pope is right on this point.
Most farkers are mocking probably because of the hypocritical Christian attitudes stateside (and some deservingly so) but truth is Christians as a group is by far the most persecuted in many countries especially in the Middle East.
We just don;t hear about them on the news.


Well yeah, but how well do you treat the Witnesses or Mormons that come to your door telling you that your life philosophy and ancestry is wrong. The Christian doctrine does not abide by the teaching method encouraged by their big man Jebus. Jebus didn't cut across the sands destroying cultures because their gods names didn't synch.

/Does not excuse those that would kill/main/assault others
 
2010-12-16 02:53:22 PM  

mikaloyd: rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)

If we were looking for goddam facts we sure as hell wouldnt be in this thread with that headline would we?

Now pick up a virtual pitchfork or a torch and get with the abuse of Xians on the internet or GTFO.

TEAM XIANS CAUSED XMAS AND I HATE XMAS SO F*CK XIANS


*jumps in with mob
 
2010-12-16 02:55:22 PM  
wademh Quote 2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM

Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.


Well one of their little club got himself nailed to a tree. I'd say that's pretty damned persecuted.


Wasn't his name Brian?
 
2010-12-16 02:56:04 PM  
I think subby is drunker than me.
 
2010-12-16 02:58:04 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.


Occam lost to Godwin? I'm sorry, I think we'll need a ruling from Planck on this one.
 
2010-12-16 02:58:26 PM  

Aardvark Inc.: wademh Quote 2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM

Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.


Well one of their little club got himself nailed to a tree. I'd say that's pretty damned persecuted.


Wasn't his name Brian?


Brian: Look, you are all going to have to think for yourselves.
Chorus: Yes, yes. We all have to think for ourselves.
 
2010-12-16 02:58:28 PM  
Pope says the darndest things!
 
2010-12-16 02:58:50 PM  
The Pope is a farking moron, we've known this for ages.
 
2010-12-16 02:59:51 PM  

Aardvark Inc.: wademh Quote 2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM

Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.


Well one of their little club got himself nailed to a tree. I'd say that's pretty damned persecuted.


Wasn't his name Brian?


www.leavesofyggdrasil.com

Nailed to a tree, you say...?

 
2010-12-16 03:02:11 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: TheShavingofOccam123: The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.

Occam lost to Godwin? I'm sorry, I think we'll need a ruling from Planck on this one.


I'm uncertain on this one.
 
2010-12-16 03:02:58 PM  
A Christian leader talking about a concern for Christians to Christians for the sake of Christians...............How controversial.

Also [insert Philosoraptor pic] if the Pope is slandered for saying Christians are persecuted, does that prove his point?
 
2010-12-16 03:03:16 PM  
Hey, just wanted to ask if anyone noticed the headline fail?

/derp
 
2010-12-16 03:04:24 PM  
Does he consider persecution being, the rest of us making fun of them because they all still believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, Unicorns and god?
 
2010-12-16 03:06:42 PM  
img822.imageshack.us

(Click to embiggen)

/hot like non-existent hell
 
2010-12-16 03:07:58 PM  
Unfortunately, you can't get down on him for being a member of the Hitler Youth. It was compulsory in Nazi Germany after 1936.
 
2010-12-16 03:08:29 PM  
i483.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-16 03:10:20 PM  
As a pagan I most certainly disagree with such a ridiculus statement.
 
2010-12-16 03:12:15 PM  
Is it too late in the thread to specify that perhaps it is Catholics who are the most persecuted religious group?

They ain't seen nothing yet.
 
2010-12-16 03:12:28 PM  
Hey pope, go f*ck yourself... people from Catholic University are litigants in the prop 8 case... so how about if you want to stop being so "persecuted" you stop going around the world trying to deny people civil rights?
 
2010-12-16 03:13:54 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.


You know who else always wins? I... uh... oh....
 
2010-12-16 03:15:25 PM  

RobotSpider: TheShavingofOccam123: The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.

You know who else always wins? I... uh... oh....


Those fecking Australians, that's who. Starting world wars, annexing other countries, bombing Pearl Harbor.

Bastards, the lot of them.
 
2010-12-16 03:16:09 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I'm persecuting a Christian right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/On the internet, nobody knows you're a lion.


I can't be the only one that thought "persecuting a christian" is a euphemism for masturbation.
 
2010-12-16 03:17:25 PM  
Poor imbecile is opening himself up to all sorts of abuse. He should just bend over and take what will certainly by a raping of biblical proportions. Tolerance was about as common in the history Christianity as good hygiene and is not suitable for children under the age of 17.
 
2010-12-16 03:18:00 PM  
You belong to a religious group who hates gays, hates condoms, and covers up molestations.

Go figure.

/die religion.
 
2010-12-16 03:18:19 PM  
It's because Christianity doesn't really work if you are in the majority. All that stuff about turn the other cheek, rendering unto Caesar, meek inheriting the earth, etc... Christianity is in essence a slave religion and when it's practitioners ARE Caesar, it breaks down and becomes something really unfortunate.

So, they have to be persecuted to be valid.
 
2010-12-16 03:19:42 PM  

Githerax: They ain't seen nothing yet.


what, you gonna shoot up a Cathedral?
 
2010-12-16 03:20:39 PM  
i say we make a 1000 post thread just mocking subby!

WHO IS WITH ME?!
 
2010-12-16 03:20:57 PM  

rookery.s3.amazonaws.com

Ultrapope frowns on your shenanigans

 
2010-12-16 03:20:59 PM  

Sticky Hands: Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh

Muslims pray to Allah. So the answer is: no...


Not really that knowledgeable about religion, are we? Guess what Allah means when translated into English? Hell, take three guesses! F

rom a Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious standpoint, we are all sons and daughters of Abraham, no matter what Fox News tells you.
 
2010-12-16 03:23:34 PM  
so the mafia ties are forgiven by the church then?

clearly that settles everything!
 
2010-12-16 03:24:53 PM  

Angusmeats: Not really that knowledgeable about religion, are we? Guess what Allah means when translated into English? Hell, take three guesses! F


Allah translated into English is Mecca? I'llbedamned. Learn something new every day here on Fark with Theology GEDs like you.
 
2010-12-16 03:24:58 PM  

Angusmeats: Sticky Hands: Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh

Muslims pray to Allah. So the answer is: no...

Not really that knowledgeable about religion, are we? Guess what Allah means when translated into English? Hell, take three guesses! F

rom a Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious standpoint, we are all sons and daughters of Abraham, no matter what Fox News tells you.


In high school a Muslim guidance counselor told us that God spelled backwards is "dog", but Allah is the same backwards and forwards. What's my point? I think that this Muslim, at least, considered them separate entities.
 
2010-12-16 03:26:52 PM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: SuperNinjaToad: I know it's fashionable to mock Christians on fark BUT the pope is right on this point.
Most farkers are mocking probably because of the hypocritical Christian attitudes stateside (and some deservingly so) but truth is Christians as a group is by far the most persecuted in many countries especially in the Middle East.
We just don;t hear about them on the news.

Well yeah, but how well do you treat the Witnesses or Mormons that come to your door telling you that your life philosophy and ancestry is wrong. The Christian doctrine does not abide by the teaching method encouraged by their big man Jebus. Jebus didn't cut across the sands destroying cultures because their gods names didn't synch.

/Does not excuse those that would kill/main/assault others


like I said most folks view Christians/Christianity through the lens of Americana which distorts the view.
If you at how the local Christians in general are treated in some countries especially majority Muslim ones and I promise you you will be a lil more empathetic towards them.
 
2010-12-16 03:27:01 PM  
BWAHAHAHAHA! What a shiathead. It really sucks that you're not in charge anymore, dosen't it?
 
2010-12-16 03:28:52 PM  

rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)


+1,000,000 internets
 
2010-12-16 03:28:58 PM  
Aardvark Inc.
Wasn't his name Brian?

No, Brian was just a naughty boy.
 
2010-12-16 03:31:22 PM  

snocone: priesty boys


You gotta fight!
For your right!
To proooooooooostraaaaaaaate!
 
2010-12-16 03:33:53 PM  

Psychopusher: snocone: priesty boys

You gotta fight!
For your right!
To proooooooooostraaaaaaaate!


No Sleep 'til Jerusalem
 
2010-12-16 03:37:10 PM  
"...there the guy who's got religion 'll tell you if your sins original, if it is, try playing it safer, drink the wine & chew the wafer, 2-4-6-8, time to transubstantiate.."

///Ton Lehrer ftw
 
2010-12-16 03:39:36 PM  

kvinesknows: I agree. I routinely beat a Christian until his is frothing at the


"his" what penis? "frothing at the" penis?

don't just leave us hanging here
 
2010-12-16 03:40:54 PM  

rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)


eh, I see it as Christians being called on their shiat more often, which is only persecution if you're thin-skinned. Plenty of people call out other religions on their shiat, but where those other religions are a small minority, like in America, it tends to look like at worst like bullying, Concern Trolling at best, when the majority (Christians) point out the flaws of said minority.


As an atheist, i think you're all full of shiat and each Religion views the other religions as competitors more than a conflict of ideas.
 
2010-12-16 03:41:15 PM  

Cybernetic: Sticky Hands: Guidette Frankentits: Guidette Frankentits: Can a Muslim pray to Mecca at the Vatican?

sheesh

Muslims pray to Allah. So the answer is: no.
A Meccanite might be able to pray in the Vatican.
But I don't think the church is cool with robosexualilty.

What a Meccanite might look like:


Or this:

socksmakepeoplesexy.net

/Oh, wait that's Mechan
//Starflight was teh awesome.
///Hey, EA! How about a relaunch of this franchise? BioWare would kick so much ass with this, if Mass Effect is any indication.
 
2010-12-16 03:42:08 PM  

Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense?


Can? Possibly.
Will? No, they're too busy enjoying your humiliation.
 
2010-12-16 03:45:54 PM  
You know who else called Christians the most persecuted people of all time?

www.sfgate.com
 
2010-12-16 03:46:29 PM  
What's worse than grown ups talking to a sky wizard? Adults who need another person to do it for them.
 
2010-12-16 03:47:25 PM  
I think this is far more entertaining and worthwhile: http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/acrobats-go-topless-for-pope-benedict/1266​6

OMG YAHOO
 
2010-12-16 03:52:40 PM  
lordargent.com
 
2010-12-16 03:53:05 PM  
Bathe the cute ones and bring them to my quarters, post-haste. I shall penis persecute them as time, and my amusement, allows.
 
2010-12-16 04:06:24 PM  

lukelightning: In high school a Muslim guidance counselor told us that God spelled backwards is "dog", but Allah is the same backwards and forwards. What's my point? I think that this Muslim, at least, considered them separate entities.


I'm assuming Glenn Beck agrees with him. I don't get to watch Glenn that much, but I did enjoy the "Christians must band together..." rant I was able to see.

What the hell kind of a school did you go to that has a "Muslim guidance counselor"? Hezbollah High? Or did you mean to say your guidance counselor in high school was a Muslim?

I can't help you with your guidance counselor, besides pointing out that it was one incident that happened many years ago. Even the most devote can be ignorant. Between these religions, there's a common history and a common god, on that no right-minded person would disagree.

Regardless, aren't religious anagrams fun? Did he work something up for "Yahweh"?
 
2010-12-16 04:16:46 PM  
images1.memegenerator.net
 
2010-12-16 04:19:15 PM  

Angusmeats: What the hell kind of a school did you go to that has a "Muslim guidance counselor"? Hezbollah High? Or did you mean to say your guidance counselor in high school was a Muslim?


The latter. This was in liberal Amherst, MA. Now if a non-Muslim said something like "God starts with G for Good, and Allah starts with A for Alpo" you know he'd be fired for his intolerant views.

As an atheist I was more confused... "Allah is not Allah backwards, it's halla..."
 
2010-12-16 04:20:46 PM  

Angusmeats: Regardless, aren't religious anagrams fun? Did he work something up for "Yahweh"?


No, but I will.

Jew: I worship only one god.
Roman: No way!
Jew: Yahweh!
 
2010-12-16 04:25:49 PM  

From a previous thread:

"What do you get when you cross a jew with a Roman?"

"Christianity."

 
2010-12-16 04:28:47 PM  

Santa's Knee: Aardvark Inc.: wademh Quote 2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM

Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.


Well one of their little club got himself nailed to a tree. I'd say that's pretty damned persecuted.


Wasn't his name Brian?

Nailed to a tree, you say...?


Is that an American Gods graphic novel?
 
2010-12-16 04:33:39 PM  
Link (new window)

cynicalbastard: Santa's Knee: Aardvark Inc.: wademh Quote 2010-12-16 02:51:58 PM

Not to be contrarian, but I'd say that Christians are the world's least persecuted Christian group.


Well one of their little club got himself nailed to a tree. I'd say that's pretty damned persecuted.


Wasn't his name Brian?

Nailed to a tree, you say...?

Is that an American Gods graphic novel?


Link (new window)
 
2010-12-16 04:38:05 PM  

xalres: Wow. The real quote is orders of magnitude dumber than the headline. So tell me, Mr. Pope, in your multi-thousand dollar slippers, fine silk robes, sitting on a golden throne, how are christians persecuted? I was just thinking to myself: "Self" I says "Why oh why don't we live in a world where christians can own land, vote, gain wealth and hold positions of power? Why aren't they allowed to openly go to their houses of worship, free from violence and abuse? Why God? WHY??!"


There are areas where Christians are pursecuted and killed, most notably in the Muslim world(Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Sudan) and for a long timecoontil very recently) in China Christians had to worship in secret.
 
2010-12-16 04:39:11 PM  

abb3w: Cyberluddite: Now that I see this has gone green, can some kindly modmin please fix the headline so it makes a bit more sense?

Can? Possibly.
Will? No, they're too busy enjoying your humiliation.


Believe me, I've been humiliated far, far worse than this!
 
2010-12-16 04:40:40 PM  
"Yo, Dawg, I heard you Christians like bein' persecuted, so I got some Christians persecuting Christians so yo' can persecute Christians for persecuting Christians while you bein' persecuted by Christians."
 
2010-12-16 04:43:54 PM  
Self persecuting Christians? I guess that is no weirder than antisemitic Jews.
 
2010-12-16 04:56:07 PM  
Well at least I dont have alzhiemer's
 
2010-12-16 05:13:13 PM  

ronaprhys: RobotSpider: TheShavingofOccam123: The Pope says Christians are the most persecuted religion. And anyone who disagrees with him shall be burned at the stake

So I lost out to a Godwin. Hitler always wins, dammit.

You know who else always wins? I... uh... oh....

Those fecking Australians, that's who. Starting world wars, annexing other countries, bombing Pearl Harbor.

Bastards, the lot of them.


You left out keeping their daughters as sex slaves in the basement.
 
2010-12-16 05:15:40 PM  

jdmac: Self persecuting Christians? I guess that is no weirder than antisemitic Jews.


He agrees
t1.gstatic.com
 
2010-12-16 05:19:53 PM  
The Pope is correct. More Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs by adherents of other religions and philosophies than anyone else. And by persecuted I don't mean getting funny looks at the airport, I mean actually killed. --But I can see how recognition of this tragic fact would conflict with Farkers' fondness for ridiculing Christians no matter the context.

Incidentally do we have to remind everyone yet again that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth as a 14-year-old? (Presumably these same Farkers would agree that the Canadian jihadist Omar Khadr was a "child soldier" because he turned up on an Afghan battlefield at age 15.) If the Pope is a Nazi, so is George Soros.
 
2010-12-16 05:27:01 PM  

alltandubh: The Pope is correct. More Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs by adherents of other religions and philosophies than anyone else. And by persecuted I don't mean getting funny looks at the airport, I mean actually killed.


Well, by the way they dress and behave in public they're really just asking for it.
 
2010-12-16 05:31:35 PM  

CitizenTed: ...Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group...

[snip IRA pic]

TOTALLY!


I love how atheists use the IRA as evidence that "see! Christians are as much terrorists as everyone else!" Unfortunately, this ignores a few inconvenient facts:
1)The IRA had a political objective, not a religious one (i.e. to forcibly unite the territory of Northern Ireland to that of the Republic of Ireland), and its rhetoric was that of the far Left;
2)The IRA actually had a few Protestant members -- usually of a Marxist tendency --, which it could not have done if it had been a purely anti-Protestant organization;
3)About four times as many people were killed by Muslim terrorists at the World Trade Centre in two hours than were murdered by the IRA in the thirty years of the Troubles.

Now the IRA were undoubtedly scumbags and their existence does prove that people calling themselves Christians can be murderers. But to conclude from this that there is such a thing as "Christian terrorism" and that it exists on the scale of that perpetrated by Muslims is a liberal fantasy.
 
2010-12-16 05:32:46 PM  

alltandubh: The Pope is correct. More Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs by adherents of other religions and philosophies than anyone else. And by persecuted I don't mean getting funny looks at the airport, I mean actually killed. --But I can see how recognition of this tragic fact would conflict with Farkers' fondness for ridiculing Christians no matter the context.

Incidentally do we have to remind everyone yet again that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth as a 14-year-old? (Presumably these same Farkers would agree that the Canadian jihadist Omar Khadr was a "child soldier" because he turned up on an Afghan battlefield at age 15.) If the Pope is a Nazi, so is George Soros.


Cites other than your own personal belief?
 
2010-12-16 05:38:47 PM  

alltandubh: The Pope is correct. More Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs by adherents of other religions and philosophies than anyone else. And by persecuted I don't mean getting funny looks at the airport, I mean actually killed. --But I can see how recognition of this tragic fact would conflict with Farkers' fondness for ridiculing Christians no matter the context.


Do you have a citation for that, because I'm pretty sure that Jews have been and are the most persecuted religious group in the world.

And, on a personal note, shut the f*ck up about Farkers having a fondness for making fun of Christians. We make fun of goddamn everything for any reason or no reason. Christians and Christianity aren't exempt from being the butt of a jokes. We make fun of Michael Vick more than we make fun of Christianity or Christians-as-a-group.

Incidentally do we have to remind everyone yet again that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth as a 14-year-old?

We don't have to. We can and we want to. It's part of what makes sarcastic humor work.
 
2010-12-16 05:52:00 PM  

alltandubh: The Pope is correct. More Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs by adherents of other religions and philosophies than anyone else

i603.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-16 05:53:24 PM  

alltandubh: Incidentally do we have to remind everyone yet again that the Pope was in the Hitler Youth as a 14-year-old?


When he claims that Christians are the "world's most persecuted religion," you don't think it's relevant to note that he was on the J.V. squad for a "Christian" political party responsible for the systematic extermination of millions of members of a different religion, based solely on their religion? He may not have been of the same mind as the Nazis--I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he wasn't--but his membership in the Hitler youth would suggest that he was at least aware of the holocaust, which makes his claim about Christians being the most persecuted seem particularly ridiculous.
 
2010-12-16 05:55:10 PM  
I find deeper humor in the fact that the Pope is Catholic, thus not Christian.

Pray to Mary, Go to Hell.
 
2010-12-16 06:01:12 PM  
prjindigo: I find deeper humor in the fact that the Pope is Catholic, thus not Christian.

*facepalm*
 
2010-12-16 06:01:38 PM  

colon_pow:
thanks for your contribution. now enjoy eternity with the other lost souls in my ignore dungeon.


And let me welcome you to mine
i270.photobucket.com
/Right in the colon
 
2010-12-16 06:20:08 PM  

dillengest: rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)

+1,000,000 internets


Thanks

FeedTheCollapse: rudemix: Actually, looking at current stats, the pope is correct in a way. If you throw out past performance and look at current climate, Christians do catch a lot more flack than most other organized religions. A lot of groups get a free ride, and or apologists/excuse makers taking up for them. Muslims, Jews, etc. But open up a thread about Christians and there is no mercy and little support. And anyone who does support gets hammered.

Study on religious intolerance (new window)

eh, I see it as Christians being called on their shiat more often, which is only persecution if you're thin-skinned. Plenty of people call out other religions on their shiat, but where those other religions are a small minority, like in America, it tends to look like at worst like bullying, Concern Trolling at best, when the majority (Christians) point out the flaws of said minority.

As an atheist, i think you're all full of shiat and each Religion views the other religions as competitors more than a conflict of ideas.



I stand by the evidence in my link.
 
2010-12-16 06:20:36 PM  
Oh, the irony. This from a man who's organization burned people alive for "heresy" and burned their books along with them. And resisted the march of science. And aided and abetted thousands of child molesting priests. AND has ruled over people, using terror, fear, and lies, for almost 2,000 years. AND which actively tries to take away rights from, and persecutes against, gays and lesbians.

Yeah, sounds like those poor Christians just have it so bad. What a world we live in, where you can't even burn somebody at the stake for "witchcraft" anymore.
 
2010-12-16 06:28:06 PM  
you're right. There's no group of Christians that is more persecuted than Christians
------

They are.

Over 50 million Christians and Gentiles were killed over the last 100 years at the hands of Jewish Marxists/Communists/Bolsheviks.

Turn off the farking TV and read some history books.
 
2010-12-16 06:33:55 PM  
Stalin's Jews We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.

"And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name 'Genrikh Yagoda,' the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the 'bloodthirsty dwarf.'"
 
2010-12-16 06:45:28 PM  
fark80: Over 50 million Christians and Gentiles were killed over the last 100 years at the hands of Jewish Marxists/Communists/Bolsheviks.

In the vast majority of cases their religion was incidental to their fate.
 
2010-12-16 07:03:45 PM  
Fark you, subby.
 
2010-12-16 07:30:17 PM  

Cyberluddite: Believe me, I've been humiliated far, far worse than this!


Of course I believe you. I've been bidding up the negatives.
 
2010-12-16 07:37:46 PM  
Pope says Christians are the world's most persecuted Christian group, which is kind of an odd thing for a former member of the Hitler Youth to say

This is what happens when you have so much spite you cant think straight
 
2010-12-16 07:41:12 PM  
It's not Muslims being beat up and/or murdered in the Sudan or Saudi Arabia or some parts of China or any number of other places around the world. It's Christians.
 
2010-12-16 07:54:36 PM  

fark80: Turn off the farking TV and read some history books.


Schaeffer?
 
2010-12-16 08:14:42 PM  
To be fair, they're the second most intolerant religion in the world, and we're afraid that the number one most intolerant religion will kill us if we don't tolerate them.
 
2010-12-16 08:28:58 PM  
Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.
 
2010-12-16 08:50:16 PM  

mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.


Having never heard of this, I'm going to guess Mormons?
 
2010-12-16 08:54:51 PM  
The only difference between the Muslim and Christian religion, is that the Christians have reached the point where deep down they realize their bible is bullshiat, whereas the Muslims still believe theirs is %100 real.
 
2010-12-16 09:15:47 PM  

mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.


Atheists?
 
2010-12-16 09:19:41 PM  

traylor: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Atheists?


Jedi?
 
2010-12-16 10:00:42 PM  
We may have to put up those smarmy douchebag fundamentalists on the 700 Club who have persecution complexes, but TFA is talking about the sectarian violence in Iraq. Christian sects do face persecution in lots countries abroad, i.e. the Middle East.
 
2010-12-16 10:26:21 PM  

traylor: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Atheists?


the mormons
 
2010-12-16 10:29:17 PM  

Fish_Fight!: traylor: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Atheists?

the mormons


We usually spell it "mormans" around here. It's a meme.
 
2010-12-16 10:59:18 PM  
rudemix that's one hell of a way to see if anyone actually read your link.
 
2010-12-17 01:24:41 AM  

ninjakirby: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Having never heard of this, I'm going to guess Mormons?


Yessir. Missouri passed executive order 44 in 1838, allowing mormons to be killed on sight, to drive them out of the state. It was formally rescinded in 1976.

That lead to things like this. (new window)
 
2010-12-17 03:08:15 AM  
mtylerjr: Yessir. Missouri passed executive order 44 in 1838, allowing mormons to be killed on sight

That's what you get for knocking on doors early in the morning on weekends.
 
2010-12-17 10:33:42 AM  

WhyteRaven74: prjindigo: I find deeper humor in the fact that the Pope is Catholic, thus not Christian.

*facepalm*


Sad part is that there are a lot of co called Christians that really believe this.
 
2010-12-17 10:44:43 AM  

mtylerjr: ninjakirby: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Having never heard of this, I'm going to guess Mormons?

Yessir. Missouri passed executive order 44 in 1838, allowing mormons to be killed on sight, to drive them out of the state. It was formally rescinded in 1976.

That lead to things like this. (new window)


History is neat.
 
2010-12-17 12:16:12 PM  
Everyone -- get your history right. It's absolutely not relevant that he was apart of the Hitler Youth. Being apart of the Hitler Youth in 1930s-1940s Germany was completely mandatory, regardless of your beliefs. It was either that you are apart of the Hitler Youth or another work-related program as an adolescent. It's not his fault and it's naive to believe so (and I'm a god damn atheist).
 
2010-12-17 02:44:26 PM  

Gibbles: Everyone -- get your history right. It's absolutely not relevant that he was apart of the Hitler Youth. Being apart of the Hitler Youth in 1930s-1940s Germany was completely mandatory, regardless of your beliefs. It was either that you are apart of the Hitler Youth or another work-related program as an adolescent. It's not his fault and it's naive to believe so (and I'm a god damn atheist).



Well, except for the part in the linked BBC article that mentions that 10 to 20% of German youth managed to avoid said "completely mandatory" membership.

Evidently Pope Ratzi the Nazi was not smart enough to include himself in that 10 to 20%.
 
2010-12-17 02:59:46 PM  

I drunk what: mtylerjr: ninjakirby: mtylerjr: Historical quiz:

Name the only religious group of which it was once legal to kill members, on sight, in the US?

Hint: Not catholics.

Having never heard of this, I'm going to guess Mormons?

Yessir. Missouri passed executive order 44 in 1838, allowing mormons to be killed on sight, to drive them out of the state. It was formally rescinded in 1976.

That lead to things like this. (new window)

History is neat.



On the surface that would like both sides = bad.

But there is a difference between a crime committed by a small group of people who happened to be of a particular religious denomination (Hey, that jew shot up an abortion clinic) and a extermination order of an entire religion (lets exterminate them!)

The individuals who committed the mountain meadow massacre were an isolated group, acting on their own, out of frustration from the constant depradations of the non-mormons in that area - precisely because they were persecuted to the breaking point.

You might notice that this massacre happened after events like hauns mill - when mormons were being "hunted" - when you think about it, given the fact that they were openly hunted down in this way, it is really remarkable that they didnt fight back more often.

I'm not defending what they did, but its certainly not a case of "Mormons persecuted non mormons just as much as they were persecuted"

Not by a zillion orders of magnitude.

And anyway, I was just making a point about the fact that it was actually legal to shoot mormons, from 1838 until 1976.
 
2010-12-17 03:32:51 PM  

Latinwolf: WhyteRaven74: prjindigo: I find deeper humor in the fact that the Pope is Catholic, thus not Christian.

*facepalm*

Sad part is that there are a lot of co called Christians that really believe this.


would either of you care to defend that Catholicism is a valid branch of Christianity?

/we striked this one of the list long ago
 
2010-12-17 03:43:11 PM  

I drunk what: Latinwolf: WhyteRaven74: prjindigo: I find deeper humor in the fact that the Pope is Catholic, thus not Christian.

*facepalm*

Sad part is that there are a lot of co called Christians that really believe this.

would either of you care to defend that Catholicism is a valid branch of Christianity?

/we striked this one of the list long ago


Bzzt.

Guess what? You don't get to decide who is Christian, or define what "Christian" means for other people. I know you enjoy that role, but no. Not yours.
 
2010-12-17 04:58:49 PM  

mtylerjr: You don't get to decide who is Christian


who does?

btw I'm a Chinese Jet Pilot, and you don't get to decide what that means for me.

/I'm a nobel-oscar-grammy award winner and Emperor of the KNOWN universe!
//you don't get to decide

mtylerjr: I know you enjoy that role


you think i enjoy telling people that they are wrong? especially in matters of Religion?

You are incorrect.

i enjoy when they listen and learn, and can be honest with themselves...

/i also enjoy sleep
 
2010-12-17 06:55:18 PM  

I drunk what: you think i enjoy telling people that they are wrong? especially in matters of Religion?

You are incorrect.

i enjoy when they listen and learn, and can be honest with themselves...


Wow, but you're a self important choad. I'll just go ahead and decide that much for you.
 
2010-12-17 07:19:18 PM  

I drunk what: would either of you care to defend that Catholicism is a valid branch of Christianity?

/we striked this one of the list long ago


If we're in the business of claiming final authority and then claiming that we've won in previous threads, I would point out to you that "Church Tradition as a source of revelation" has already been explained to you "long ago."
 
2010-12-17 07:26:21 PM  

I drunk what: mtylerjr: You don't get to decide who is Christian

who does?

btw I'm a Chinese Jet Pilot, and you don't get to decide what that means for me.

/I'm a nobel-oscar-grammy award winner and Emperor of the KNOWN universe!
//you don't get to decide

mtylerjr: I know you enjoy that role

you think i enjoy telling people that they are wrong? especially in matters of Religion?

You are incorrect.

i enjoy when they listen and learn, and can be honest with themselves...

/i also enjoy sleep


Yes, but anyone can play that game. Think the bible is the sum of scripture? That idea doesnt come from Christ, or even from "the bible" itself. The collection is small subset of christian writings voted on by a catholic committee under constantine at nicea. If you limit your bible to scripture, I can say "that means you arent christian" or even "That makes you catholic" and be just as accurate as you passing judgement on catholics.

Do you do baptisms for the dead, like Paul's christians did in corinthians? No? Well then. You arent christian - that is a fundamental christian ordinance. Do you worship in the temple, like the apostles did after Christ left them? No? Well then - since that is a fundamental christian practice followed by the biblical apostles, then bzzzt - I can say you obviously missed the boat on christianity.

Do you have a prophet? The bible says .. blah blha blah, etc - that game can be played forever, with no real point. Note that I'm not actually labelling you either way. All Im saying is that I -could- plya that same labelling game and be just as valid. But I don't play that game.

When you say "catholics arent christian, we crossed them off the list a long time ago" you are just showing your narrow persepective, as well as an unhealthy amount of arrogance, and more than a little ignorance.

But anyway, the point you missed: Being a Chinese Jet pilot is easy to determine. It isnt subjective. Being "christian" is completely subjective. You dont get to decided who is, and who isnt.

It's people like you that give christianity a bad name.
 
2010-12-19 01:27:51 PM  

mtylerjr: Yes, but anyone can play that game.


well that's exactly the point. ANYone can play. However, there are rules, whether or not you recognize them.

Martian_Astronomer: If we're in the business of claiming final authority


who does have the final authority? is anyone following Him? how can we tell?

Martian_Astronomer: I would point out to you that "Church Tradition as a source of revelation" has already been explained to you "long ago."


and what bearing does that have, on the fact that catholics do not even follow their own Bible?

you see by, attempting to be politically correct all you are doing is just perpetuating a known falsehood

much like the way we still "argue" today about whether or not the mormon religion or scientology religion are valid, because you simply insist that some people seem to like it, therefore it can't be all that bad right?

you don't get to decide whether or not they are a cult that follows a false prophet...

since, after all, You are not in the business of final authority.

Fuggin Bizzy: Wow, but you're a self important choad. I'll just go ahead and decide that much for you.


well according to mtylerjr:

mtylerjr: Guess what? You don't get to decide who is Christian choad, or define what "Christian choad" means for other people.


therefore anyone gets to define choad which means : "he who has the final authority of all religious truth"

so, in that case i guess i'll agree with you, thanks
 
2010-12-19 01:38:06 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: 1. If we're in the business of claiming final authority and then 2. claiming that we've won in previous threads


1. when you phrase stuff like that, it causes me to think you have the reading comprehension of a stormtrooper:

I drunk what: would either of you care to defend that Catholicism is a valid branch of Christianity?


since "final authority" wouldn't allow questions or challenges now would it?

2. as for my previous claims of victory and truth, i suppose (like the Bible) you'd just have to review what has been said yourself, to make that determination, now wouldn't you?

much like a "mormon or scientologist" supporter, here you are also indicating that you are probably a "IDW can't handle logic card games" supporter, since you don't actually bother to read what was said, in order to determine Truth for yourself, instead you'd rather maintain a politically correct mob order and speculative conclusions based on emotions and feelings which may or may not actually have a basis in tradition, a tradition which is equally susceptible to the same corruptions.

...and therefore, we still have catholics, mormons and scientologists.

/and you're not helping
 
2010-12-19 07:07:06 PM  

I drunk what: and what bearing does that have, on the fact that catholics do not even follow their own Bible?


The short version is that the canon of the Bible is itself a "church tradition," as are any hermeneutic approaches which regard it as "inerrant," possessing final authority, or having self-evident meaning. You're still judging them in light of your own traditions, which is also "not helping."

The other, very problematic difficulty with broadly proclaiming that "Catholicism" is different from "Christianity" is that it implies the existence of some metric in your mind of how many "bullet points" a person can not believe but still be a Christian. "Believing in Jesus" is no longer sufficient, unless you also believe doctrinal points 1-257 and affirm the statement of faith of the Northern Baptist Great Lakes Region Doctrinal Council of 1896 (Instead of the one from the heretical poopyheads in the Council of 1908.) This contrasts rather sharply with the "big tent" mentality you regarding orthodoxy that you were attempting to fall back upon about a dozen evolution threads ago.

I'm not really sure how to even respond to the rest of your acrimony. I gave a concise (if somewhat brusque) response to a statement that I perceived as both very wrong and flamboyantly overconfident. If you are determined to interpret that as being "storm-trooperish" and expect that I have complete knowledge of and strong feelings regarding every argument that you've ever had on Fark, then that's your prerogative, of course, but it's not particularly helpful to communication.
 
2010-12-19 08:44:27 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: You're still judging them in light of your own traditions


traditions such as, actually reading the Bible entirely and arguing with it IN context?

then yeah, you're correct about that

Martian_Astronomer: as are any hermeneutic approaches which regard it as "inerrant,"


if i told you that there are errors in it would you promise never to bring up that tired old strawman again?

there are errors.

does that mean we discredit it as an entire collected work? No. i'm afraid you'll just have to get over it.

Martian_Astronomer: The other, very problematic difficulty with broadly proclaiming that "Catholicism" is different from "Christianity" is that it implies the existence of some metric in your mind of how many "bullet points"


if you've actually read the bible and have a basic grasp of language, logic, etc.. and you do not see any bullet points then I can say for a fact that you are doing it wrong

/i'd guess it has something to do with one's attitude?

Martian_Astronomer: "Believing in Jesus" is no longer sufficient


it never was, does not the Devil himself not believe in Jesus? what about the other fallen?

being Good requires more than believing in Good.

Martian_Astronomer: unless you also believe doctrinal points 1-257 and affirm the statement of faith of the Northern Baptist Great Lakes Region Doctrinal Council of 1896 (Instead of the one from the heretical poopyheads in the Council of 1908.) This contrasts rather sharply with the "big tent" mentality you regarding orthodoxy that you were attempting to fall back upon about a dozen evolution threads ago.


there are 6 doctrinal points one must understand (and do) in order to become a Christian

1. Hear
2. Believe
3. Repent
4. Confess
5. Be Baptized
6. Live faithfully unto Death

there are brazillions of doctrinal issues one must resolve in order to GROW as a Christian, and many that can easily cause one to stray from the straight and narrow Path. (such as whether or not you are an idol worshiper, you are misleading people about what baptism is, you follow a false prophet, etc..,etc..)

Martian_Astronomer: his contrasts rather sharply with the "big tent" mentality you regarding orthodoxy that you were attempting to fall back upon about a dozen evolution threads ago.


you know what we "fall back on"? The Word of God. plain and simple.

that's why so many people have a beef with us, it doesn't always suit the needs of their creeds, wish-beliefs and lifestyles...

they too will have to get over it

Martian_Astronomer: which is also "not helping."


I seek the Truth, i'm going to assume that you do also. How should we go about doing this?

Martian_Astronomer: If you are determined to interpret that as being "storm-trooperish"


i stated precisely why and for what reason, so you are just going to have to be less defensive if/when i point out errors to you

otherwise we are never going to arrive at Truth

Martian_Astronomer: but it's not particularly helpful to communication.


I'm open to suggestions... :)

just remember I have the FINAL authority :P

/srsly dude if i was speaking like "final authority"
//why would i have a list to cross things off
///wouldn't i just state the list only has one valid answer?

Merry Christmas
 
2010-12-19 09:57:45 PM  

I drunk what: traditions such as, actually reading the Bible entirely and arguing with it IN context?


As I said before: The content of the Bible is a product of Church tradition, and I'd wager you dollars to donuts that your idea of what the bibles says "IN context" came from instruction by people operating in their own tradition. (Does the phrase "Athanasian Creed" ring any bells? If you believe in the Trinity, it should.)

I drunk what: if i told you that there are errors in it would you promise never to bring up that tired old strawman again?

there are errors.

does that mean we discredit it as an entire collected work?


"Inerrancy" is probably the most extreme hermeneutic position arguing for biblical perfection, but if you're going to admit that there are errors, I'll try to remember not to use that to describe your position. However, the umbrella term "inerrancy" usually implies other hermeneutic articles of faith as well, such as doctrinal completeness, final authority, denial of the existence of doctrinal contradiction, etc., which I have seen you defend rather stridently. These are still church traditions.

Errors and contradictions do not discredit an entire work. However, they do discredit many interpretive approaches.

I drunk what: it never was, does not the Devil himself not believe in Jesus? what about the other fallen?


James' comments about the demons believing notwithstanding, I think that after a reading of Acts 16:31 I can be forgiven for using that shorthand definition.

I drunk what: there are 6 doctrinal points one must understand (and do) in order to become a Christian

1. Hear
2. Believe
3. Repent
4. Confess
5. Be Baptized
6. Live faithfully unto Death


Conversion to Catholicism involves all of these things. As does conversion to Mormonism, and most forms of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, if I remember correctly. If you wish to exclude them from your definition, you're going to need to be more specific, which is going to mean more bullet points.
 
2010-12-19 10:58:20 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: James' comments about the demons believing notwithstanding, I think that after a reading of Acts 16:31 I can be forgiven for using that shorthand definition.


and what does verse 33 say in context?

what do the entire scriptures say in context?

six bullet points

Martian_Astronomer: Conversion to Catholicism involves all of these things


including the members who were baptized as infants?

btw when you want to hear The Word of God from catholics

whose word do they refer you to?

who are we supposed to Believe in that can forgive us of our Sins? your local priest "The Father"? his boss the bishop? his boss the cardinal? his boss boss god on earth himself the pope? perhaps Mary the Queen of Heaven the mother of God can forgive you?

do i really need to repent from my sins if i can just get the pope to wave his magic hands over me and bless my actions?

etc.. and so on

Martian_Astronomer: As does conversion to Mormonism


Are we supposed to Hear the Bible or the Book of Mormon? because they said you can listen to both if you want, but the Mormon Bible is far superior to that old relic that nobody reads anyway so even if you do find some conflicts, the mormon book trumps all

are we supposed to Believe in Jesus or Jospeh Smith (and/or Moroni, etc..) because Jesus was a real neat dude and all but Joseph Smith is the true voice of god, and we should definitely follow him first, THEN if we want we can also talk about that jesus dude.

did the mormon polygamists including jo smith repent from the sin of adultery?

etc.. and so on

Martian_Astronomer: If you wish to exclude them from your definition, you're going to need to be more specific, which is going to mean more bullet points


nope no need for more points, just reading and understanding the original ones IN CONTEXT

all the specifics are already there just waiting to be discovered

by those that actually SEEK THE TRUTH

so tell me M_A,

am i a chinese jet pilot?

Are you a Christian? Why not?

Am I a Christian? Why?
 
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