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(BusinessWeek)   Texans* reject car ownership in favor of some new-fangled European car rental scheme. *Sample may not represent actual Texans   (businessweek.com ) divider line
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2010-12-16 10:48:32 AM  
louellacourt.typepad.com
 
2010-12-16 01:24:02 PM  
Texans* Austin Hippies reject car ownership in favor of some new-fangled European car rental scheme.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/ headline now makes perfect sense
 
2010-12-16 02:38:49 PM  
The rest of the AFC South are expected to keep driving their Cadillac Escalades.
 
2010-12-16 02:41:37 PM  
Why did I get this when I opened the article?

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2010-12-16 02:46:37 PM  
Headline sounds like Austin ...

*Clicks Link*

Yep.

/Austin is economic refugee camp for Californians and NYers bringing the problems they fled with them
//helps to isolate them from Texas
 
2010-12-16 02:54:50 PM  

Cybernetic: The rest of the AFC South are expected to keep driving their Cadillac Escalades.


Until gas starts climbing north of 4 bucks again. Car sharing makes sense for those in cities or suburbs with good public transportation and you live near a stop. You have to run the numbers though, cost of car + fuel + maintenance + interest + insurance +taxes + registration etc... vs Cost of mass transit + cost of car sharing.

If you have young kids you maybe farked no matter where you live. car seats and other kids stuff, extra diapers a couple of sets of cloths, bottles, food, a toy etc... weight and bulk adds up quick. The younger the kid the worse it is.

133 per moth is a bit steep for a car sharing. Zipcar in my area (new window)

The model is not all bad and if gas prices continues to climb... 300 bucks a month plus gas vs $50 per year + occasional usage costs + public transportation costs hehh...
 
2010-12-16 03:02:44 PM  
Daimler's Car2go service, which rents Smart cars by the minute in Austin and the German town of Ulm

I wonder if Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-d​ongle-dung le-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-gran​der-knotty -spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbleeise​n-bahnwage n-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwustle-gerspurten-mitz-weimache-​luber-hund sfut-gumberaber-shönedanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm is a client?
 
2010-12-16 03:11:18 PM  
This is like one of those not owning a TV threads, right? So I'll start. After not having a car for a few years, I'm not sure when I actually need one. $28usd a month for world class public transport, and a train/plane/bus will get me anywhere I need to go. Then again, I'm in ZOMG socialist Europe

It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma is taken away.
 
2010-12-16 03:18:16 PM  
I'm in Austin, but fark you, I need a car, even if I take public transport to work every day.
 
2010-12-16 03:25:30 PM  
I take one of these to work every now and then. It really isn't overpriced and it is extremely convenient.
 
2010-12-16 03:47:37 PM  
I always thought those cars were for city workers. Didn't know anyone could rent one.

Austin's public transportation is pretty bad. We use the bus a few days a week but it would be very difficult for us to get rid of our cars. Well, we may cut down to 1 car after all but that's for another story.
 
2010-12-16 03:48:58 PM  
*Sample may not represent actual Texans

True. Austin residents are much too civilized.
 
2010-12-16 03:51:03 PM  

Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.


yah
 
2010-12-16 03:55:59 PM  

eudemonist: Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.

yah


The U.S. (most of it) versus western europe:

i52.tinypic.com
 
2010-12-16 03:57:51 PM  

eudemonist: Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.

yah


Really? That explains why the average American commute is 30 min? Because the country is so big?

Or maybe it's because they don't live where they work. They live in suburbia and then biatch about gas prices
 
2010-12-16 04:01:47 PM  

Cajnik: eudemonist: Cajnik:
Really? That explains why the average American commute is 30 min? Because the country is so big?

Or maybe it's because they don't live where they work. They live in suburbia and then biatch about gas prices


They live where they can inexpensively send their kids to school
 
2010-12-16 04:03:30 PM  

JustFark: Cajnik: eudemonist: Cajnik:
Really? That explains why the average American commute is 30 min? Because the country is so big?

Or maybe it's because they don't live where they work. They live in suburbia and then biatch about gas prices

They live where they can inexpensively send their kids to school


afford to own a goddamn house

/ftfy
 
2010-12-16 04:06:54 PM  

crazytrpr: Cybernetic: The rest of the AFC South are expected to keep driving their Cadillac Escalades.

Until gas starts climbing north of 4 bucks again. Car sharing makes sense for those in cities or suburbs with good public transportation and you live near a stop. You have to run the numbers though, cost of car + fuel + maintenance + interest + insurance +taxes + registration etc... vs Cost of mass transit + cost of car sharing.

If you have young kids you maybe farked no matter where you live. car seats and other kids stuff, extra diapers a couple of sets of cloths, bottles, food, a toy etc... weight and bulk adds up quick. The younger the kid the worse it is.

133 per moth is a bit steep for a car sharing. Zipcar in my area (new window)

The model is not all bad and if gas prices continues to climb... 300 bucks a month plus gas vs $50 per year + occasional usage costs + public transportation costs hehh...


Note that I said "AFC South". That was intended to be a joke based on an association of the word "Texans" that was not intended by the submitter.

Now that I've ruined the joke by explaining it, I'll go on to say that the NFL minimum salary for 2010 is $320,000. Somehow, I don't think that four dollars a gallon troubles them very much.
 
2010-12-16 04:16:00 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: *Sample may not represent actual Texans

True. Austin residents are much too civilized weird.


Fixed for accuracy.

/keep austin weird
 
2010-12-16 04:19:29 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: JustFark: Cajnik: eudemonist: Cajnik:
Really? That explains why the average American commute is 30 min? Because the country is so big?

Or maybe it's because they don't live where they work. They live in suburbia and then biatch about gas prices

They live where they can inexpensively send their kids to school

afford to own a goddamn house
live away from the black people.

/ftfy

 
2010-12-16 04:28:15 PM  
The system, based on GPS technology, allows users to end a rental anywhere within the city's operating area, making one-way rentals the norm. Other car-sharing models typically require the cars to be returned to their home station.

One-way rentals will really make the market explode.

I looked into ZipCar as an option for me in the future if I relocate. You have to put the car back where you found it or you keep getting charged per hour. Really makes driving to work an impossibility as you're paying for 8 hours of the car just sitting there.
 
2010-12-16 04:28:26 PM  
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2010-12-16 04:46:58 PM  
Hey man, I live outside of Austin, I work in Austin, I don't use Car2Go and I don't even OWN a car!

/Or a bike.
//It's a truck
///that's different, right?
 
2010-12-16 04:51:13 PM  
I live in Austin and take this to work:

www.austinpost.org
 
2010-12-16 04:52:27 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Texans* Austin Hippies reject car ownership in favor of some new-fangled European car rental scheme.

/ headline now makes perfect sense


Should be a fixie, darlin'...

www.grooveeffect.com

South Austin, secede!!!!
 
2010-12-16 04:53:39 PM  

Tax Boy: I live in Austin and take this to work:


Awesome, but where do you park it?
 
2010-12-16 04:54:53 PM  

Cybernetic: The rest of the AFC South are expected to keep driving their Cadillac Escalades.


Escalades aren't nearly as decadent as Rosencopters.

blogs.trb.com
 
2010-12-16 04:59:05 PM  

2chris2: eudemonist: Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.

yah

The U.S. (most of it) versus western europe:


Congratulations. Europe has twice the population per capita (181 peeps / sq mile) versus the contiguous 48 states ( 94 / sq mile). When you whittle that map down to the "Western Europe" where most of the population is, it is close to triple!
 
2010-12-16 05:07:14 PM  
I told you that everyone in Texas is gay.
 
2010-12-16 05:11:14 PM  

2chris2: eudemonist: Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.

yah

The U.S. (most of it) versus western europe:


Nifty size comparison map.

Europe is the world's second-smallest continent by surface area, covering about 10,180,000 square kilometres.

North America covers an area of about 24,709,000 square kilometers, about 4.8% of the planet's surface or about 16.5% of its land area.
 
2010-12-16 05:18:41 PM  

2chris2: eudemonist: Cajnik: It's crazy what public transport can do once the stigma giant land mass of North America is taken away.

yah

The U.S. (most of it) versus western europe:


This would be useful if there were a scale associated with each map. Should I just take your word that they're at the same scale and same projection?

/geographer/cartographer
 
2010-12-16 06:19:11 PM  
Just hold a ruler up to the screen!

wwp.greenwichmeantime.com

www.americanroundup.com

/actually his doesn't look TOO far off
//like my nifty overlay one better, though
 
2010-12-16 06:25:41 PM  

Tax Boy: I live in Austin and take this to work:


I hope you are thanking all those car drivers for subsidizing your money pit. You do realize you'd move more people by having that land as road instead of rail?
 
2010-12-16 06:38:48 PM  
I like how this guy takes the car when he is running late. That would imply that its there for his exclusive use 24 hours a day. The flexicars in hippy areas of Oz are booked out weeks in advance.
 
2010-12-16 07:10:34 PM  

Crosshair: Tax Boy: I live in Austin and take this to work:

I hope you are thanking all those car drivers for subsidizing your money pit. You do realize you'd move more people by having that land as road instead of rail?


We built extra (toll) roads. They're empty most of the time.

BTW. A North Dakota resident has zero room to talk about transportation problems in fast growing urban areas.
 
2010-12-16 07:54:20 PM  

eudemonist: Just hold a ruler up to the screen!


LOL, Win!
 
2010-12-16 08:48:14 PM  

Crosshair: Tax Boy: I live in Austin and take this to work:

I hope you are thanking all those car drivers for subsidizing your money pit. You do realize you'd move more people by having that land as road instead of rail?


You've clearly never been to Austin and experienced our hellish traffic, Captain Wasteland.
 
2010-12-16 11:34:48 PM  

tricycleracer: You have to put the car back where you found it or you keep getting charged per hour.


Weird...I live in Seattle and our Zipcars just have to be returned to the nearest Zipcar parking area. There are dozens of them downtown. This won't replace your 'daily driver' but if you don't own a car this is a good way to fill the occasional need for one.
 
2010-12-17 08:10:30 AM  

Tax Boy: I live in Austin and take this to work:


So you're the one riding it.
 
2010-12-17 10:33:31 AM  

tricycleracer: I looked into ZipCar as an option for me in the future if I relocate. You have to put the car back where you found it or you keep getting charged per hour. Really makes driving to work an impossibility as you're paying for 8 hours of the car just sitting there.


Programs like ZipCar (or Philly CarShare, which is where they stole the idea from) aren't designed for commuters. They're designed for people who need a car occasionally to get groceries, move stuff or take a day trip.

The notion is that you're going to be commuting via public transit, bike, whatever, which is one of the main reasons you don't need a car in the first place.

CarShare's working really well here in Philly; they've even got cars in the Ikea parking lot, so you can buy something big and get it home.
 
2010-12-17 12:43:16 PM  
Interesting, but not sure that would work in less dense houston or its suburbia without a large number of lots

we so fricking need good public transport here.
 
2010-12-17 03:03:47 PM  

Electriclectic: We built extra (toll) roads. They're empty most of the time.


What does that ell you? THat the tolls are either too high or the roads go places people don't want to go.

Electriclectic: BTW. A North Dakota resident has zero room to talk about transportation problems in fast growing urban areas.


Oh I do, I travel through Minneapolis frequently for work and it's infuriating to watch the state blow $700 million on the largely worthless light rail instead of making basic improvements in the road capacity that FAR more people use. (I-35W/494 interchange for example.)

Leave it to government to build things people don't want (Or that a minority want.) and not build things people want.
 
2010-12-17 03:05:23 PM  

Tax Boy: You've clearly never been to Austin and experienced our hellish traffic, Captain Wasteland.


Rail or other pipe dreams aren't gonna solve it. Wishing won't make it happen.
 
2010-12-17 03:55:32 PM  
I live in Austin, and I would totally take the train if I worked walking distance from the downtown station (probably up to 15 blocks or so). The Lakeline station is pretty convenient to me, and I hate rush hour traffic in this town. I've had to drive all over town for a bunch of projects recently, and I've had to drive through rush hour way too often in the last month. It absolutely sucks.

Of course, part of the reason I live where I live is that it's only about 15 minutes from my office, door-to-door on a slow day. If I worked downtown, I would try to live somewhere with a more convenient commute.
 
2010-12-17 04:25:05 PM  
Crosshair:Oh I do, I travel through Minneapolis frequently for work and it's infuriating to watch the state blow $700 million on the largely worthless light rail instead of making basic improvements in the road capacity that FAR more people use. (I-35W/494 interchange for example.)

Leave it to government to build things people don't want (Or that a minority want.) and not build things people want.


Maybe you'd be okay with government taking the land of the residences and businesses on the sides of the freeway to make room for additional lanes? Mopac is literally built up to their back yards, with no feeder roads and a train track dividing traffic.
 
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