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DrRatchet		2010-12-13 11:42:54 AM

Are they sure he was in the house to begin with? That's how these things usually happen. It's hard for an empty house to respond to "Come out with your hands up!", so a lengthy standoff ensues.

I also like the bit about how the RCMP didn't admit he wasn't home until the Telegram busted them for it...

TheSpaceAdmiral		2010-12-13 11:53:18 AM

DrRatchet: Are they sure he was in the house to begin with?

According to a report I watched on CBC this morning, he fired his gun at a robot the police sent to communicate with him, so he must have been home. (Once he started using the gun, they decided they finally needed to end the standoff which is why they started flooding the house and stuff after just standing around for the first seven days.)

They also mentioned that the police knew about his history of mental illness, which is why they were willing to do the standoff for seven days instead of just rushing in with guns.

jehovahs witness protection		2010-12-13 12:01:43 PM

At least they got their man.

radiumsoup		2010-12-13 12:01:48 PM

what are the Republican National Committee constables doing in Canuckistan?

ShawnDoc		2010-12-13 12:43:55 PM

TheSpaceAdmiral: DrRatchet: Are they sure he was in the house to begin with?

According to a report I watched on CBC this morning, he fired his gun at a robot the police sent to communicate with him, so he must have been home.

How long until it comes out the "gun" that was fired at the robot was just the sound of the robot bumping into the side of a metal TV tray left in the front room?

tallguywithglasseson		2010-12-13 12:51:11 PM

That's some fine police work there, Lou.

SwallowTheKnife		2010-12-13 02:06:08 PM

tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

medius		2010-12-13 02:06:58 PM

escape tunnel

WarHammmer		2010-12-13 02:07:09 PM

Wanted for questioning.

Clete Orris		2010-12-13 02:08:40 PM

gund		2010-12-13 02:13:59 PM

Wow. The RCMP is officially the worst police organization known to man.

It's not because they let him escape and found out a day later.

It's that they spent days trying to get him out. With robots, flashbangs, loud noises, flooding the house.

I mean, flooding the motherfarking house. Ruining tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of property because they can't enter a home to arrest an armed individual.

It's not like he had hostages, threatened to kill himself, or had explosives. He had a rifle or two and a shotgun. Basically what half the USA has.

I thought the RCMP was like the FBI. Don't even have a tactical team that can breach and enter a house?

Worse, 90% of the charges are related to him resisting arrest. Taking a page out of US cops I see. If you are going to trump up so many charges, why bother playing soft and not going in guns blazing?

protectyourlimbs		2010-12-13 02:14:05 PM

SwallowTheKnife: tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

I see what you did there.. wait.. what?

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Any Pie Left		2010-12-13 02:15:34 PM

I would award that Canuckian cop spokesperson a George Costanza award for his well-reasoned excuse-making. It was brilliant verbal judo, admitting failure without admitting it.

"Zim! You set everything on fire! You made the problem worse!"
"Worse???? or better???"

Fish in a Barrel		2010-12-13 02:17:39 PM

I like how they try to play the whole thing off as a stunning success that is hardly blemished at all by the guy sneaking right past them.

Galemp		2010-12-13 02:18:25 PM

From the Article: "The dilemma that we're at here right now is, do we focus on the fact that strategically we saved the lives of a number of police officers and the public and a person with a firearm barricaded in a house by taking calculated action for seven days, or do we focus on the fact that while we were introducing a strategy to get him out of the house, that he actually did and went by us and we arrested him later?"

I suppose it's easy to be proud of saving your police officer's lives when there's no threat to them, or taking calculated action when there's no risk, or that you strategically contained nothing at all.

By that token, I have heroically prevented 40 million unwanted pregnancies this morning by strategic placement of my sock. Where's my medal?

sendtodave		2010-12-13 02:19:10 PM

tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

Came for Wiggum, leaving happy.

uncletogie		2010-12-13 02:19:21 PM

Galemp: From the Article: "The dilemma that we're at here right now is, do we focus on the fact that strategically we saved the lives of a number of police officers and the public and a person with a firearm barricaded in a house by taking calculated action for seven days, or do we focus on the fact that while we were introducing a strategy to get him out of the house, that he actually did and went by us and we arrested him later?"

I suppose it's easy to be proud of saving your police officer's lives when there's no threat to them, or taking calculated action when there's no risk, or that you strategically contained nothing at all.

By that token, I have heroically prevented 40 million unwanted pregnancies this morning by strategic placement of my sock. Where's my medal?

You didn't see it? We hid it in your sock.

Starry Heavens		2010-12-13 02:22:30 PM

gund: It's not because they let him escape and found out a day later.

It's that they spent days trying to get him out. With robots, flashbangs, loud noises, flooding the house.

I mean, flooding the motherfarking house. Ruining tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of property because they can't enter a home to arrest an armed individual.

I agree with the start of that, but not so much the end. It isn't just that he was armed, but that he's believed to have a history of shooting at police officers. They had reason to want to be extra careful.

Spending a week on it, though? How does one justify that?

therealpope		2010-12-13 02:22:34 PM

puckrock2000		2010-12-13 02:24:05 PM

You know, if this guy had been in charge of the standoff, he simply would have regaled Mr. Crockwell with a longwinded, tedious story from his late father's ghost about rescuing some stranded Inuit elder from an ice floe, and the important life lessons he had learned from that incident, and Crockwell would have surrendered out of sheer boredom.

Mitch Taylor's Bro		2010-12-13 02:30:40 PM

Fish in a Barrel: I like how they try to play the whole thing off as a stunning success that is hardly blemished at all by the guy sneaking right past them.

How I imagine it all went down...

RCMP: "Come oot with your hands up, eh?"
Crockwell: "Excuse me, eh? I need to grab something at Timmy Ho's"
RCMP: "Okay, eh"

WarHammmer		2010-12-13 02:39:09 PM

Galemp: I suppose it's easy to be proud of saving your police officer's lives when there's no threat to them, or taking calculated action when there's no risk, or that you strategically contained nothing at all.

By that token, I have heroically prevented 40 million unwanted pregnancies this morning by strategic placement of my sock. Where's my medal?

Well, by that token I've saved 39 million lives!!!

/I CAN HAS SILVR?

rnatalie		2010-12-13 02:40:29 PM

Mountie firing squad.

Albert Lake		2010-12-13 02:49:45 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Fish in a Barrel: I like how they try to play the whole thing off as a stunning success that is hardly blemished at all by the guy sneaking right past them.

How I imagine it all went down...

RCMP: "Come oot with your hands up, eh?"
Crockwell: "Excuse me, eh? I need to grab something at Timmy Ho's"
RCMP: "Okay, eh"

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CruiserTwelve		2010-12-13 02:54:02 PM

gund: I thought the RCMP was like the FBI. Don't even have a tactical team that can breach and enter a house?

And I'm sure you would have supported them 100% if they had entered the house and ended up killing the crazy old guy, right?

Worse, 90% of the charges are related to him resisting arrest. Taking a page out of US cops I see. If you are going to trump up so many charges, why bother playing soft and not going in guns blazing?

Here are the charges: "The charges include five counts of attempted murder in relation to an incident during which he fired a shotgun at a group of officers attempting to arrest him, four counts of discharging a firearm while being reckless as to the life or safety of another, a count of mischief that specifies he interfered with the lawful use of property at 31 St. John's Rd. in Bay Bulls, a count of uttering threats against his sister, Catherine Crockwell, assaulting Catherine Crockwell, assault with a weapon against Catherine Crockwell, using a firearm in the commission of an assault and the possession of a firearm without a licence and use of a firearm in a careless manner."

So it sounds like he assaulted his sister with a gun and when the cops went to arrest him he shot at them. Yeah, pretty trumped up charges there.

rebelyell2006		2010-12-13 03:10:48 PM

SwallowTheKnife: tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

Fargo is set in Minnesota, not Canada.

CasperImproved		2010-12-13 03:56:40 PM

loconut3391		2010-12-13 04:03:53 PM

Since when is it cool to pump water into a house? Something about that doesn't sit right with me. At least when they bash in a door or three, you can fix that and the rest of the family isn't left in an uninhabitable location.

dogslobber buttlube		2010-12-13 04:37:19 PM

Came for the Doright reference left happy.

R.A.Danny		2010-12-13 04:42:53 PM

Fuggin Newfs. Dontcha spit towards windward, b'ys.

Mergatroid		2010-12-13 04:51:51 PM

You guys have a "Florida" label, doncha think it's about time for a "Newfie" label?

good_2_go		2010-12-13 04:53:35 PM

rebelyell2006: SwallowTheKnife: tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

Fargo is set in Minnesota, not Canada.

I thought Fargo was in one of the Dakotas?

/confused Canadianite

caution		2010-12-13 05:13:00 PM

"Is there an element of pride in this investigation? Sure."

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Good Behavior Day		2010-12-13 05:16:12 PM

good_2_go: rebelyell2006: SwallowTheKnife: tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

Fargo is set in Minnesota, not Canada.

I thought Fargo was in one of the Dakotas?

/confused Canadianite

The movie was set in Minnesota, but the city of Fargo is in North Dakota.

gund		2010-12-13 05:18:09 PM

CruiserTwelve: gund: I thought the RCMP was like the FBI. Don't even have a tactical team that can breach and enter a house?

And I'm sure you would have supported them 100% if they had entered the house and ended up killing the crazy old guy, right?

Worse, 90% of the charges are related to him resisting arrest. Taking a page out of US cops I see. If you are going to trump up so many charges, why bother playing soft and not going in guns blazing?

Here are the charges: "The charges include five counts of attempted murder in relation to an incident during which he fired a shotgun at a group of officers attempting to arrest him, four counts of discharging a firearm while being reckless as to the life or safety of another, a count of mischief that specifies he interfered with the lawful use of property at 31 St. John's Rd. in Bay Bulls, a count of uttering threats against his sister, Catherine Crockwell, assaulting Catherine Crockwell, assault with a weapon against Catherine Crockwell, using a firearm in the commission of an assault and the possession of a firearm without a licence and use of a firearm in a careless manner."

So it sounds like he assaulted his sister with a gun and when the cops went to arrest him he shot at them. Yeah, pretty trumped up charges there.

If he's holding a firearm when they enter, sure. If they kill him then plant a firearm on him, no I'm not fine with that.

False dichotomy, learn to argue.

The first 10 counts all relate to one action against police officers. The rest of the counts relate to one action against his sister. Yeah they are throwing everything and hoping something sticks.

zulius		2010-12-13 05:27:07 PM

Clive Owen agrees?
/Maybe?
//or Denzel Washington is on the case?

DarkSoulNoHope		2010-12-13 05:58:11 PM

Does this mean can't call him the Wet Bandit?

/how about the Sticky Bandit

CruiserTwelve		2010-12-13 06:29:52 PM

gund: If he's holding a firearm when they enter, sure. If they kill him then plant a firearm on him, no I'm not fine with that.

False dichotomy, learn to argue.

He assaulted his sister with a firearm, he shot at the cops and, according to the article, "The RCMP had earlier reported Crockwell was in possession of a 303 calibre rifle with a scope, a shot gun and another 303 rifle." But given the choice of waiting him out or entering the house and possibly provoking a shootout, you think entering was a better option?

The first 10 counts all relate to one action against police officers. The rest of the counts relate to one action against his sister. Yeah they are throwing everything and hoping something sticks.

They wwere throwing everything because he committed some very serious crimes. Do you think they just made up those charges? Read the article again. He assaulted his sister with a gun and shot at the cops. They didn't have to make up anything. In two acts he committed a number of very serious crimes.

StoPPeRmobile		2010-12-13 06:52:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: gund: If he's holding a firearm when they enter, sure. If they kill him then plant a firearm on him, no I'm not fine with that.

False dichotomy, learn to argue.

He assaulted his sister with a firearm, he shot at the cops and, according to the article, "The RCMP had earlier reported Crockwell was in possession of a 303 calibre rifle with a scope, a shot gun and another 303 rifle." But given the choice of waiting him out or entering the house and possibly provoking a shootout, you think entering was a better option?

The first 10 counts all relate to one action against police officers. The rest of the counts relate to one action against his sister. Yeah they are throwing everything and hoping something sticks.

They wwere throwing everything because he committed some very serious crimes. Do you think they just made up those charges? Read the article again. He assaulted his sister with a gun and shot at the cops. They didn't have to make up anything. In two acts he committed a number of very serious crimes.

www.examiner.com

Larva Lump		2010-12-13 08:17:44 PM

"Is there an element of pride in this investigation? Sure."

i52.photobucket.com

JPINFV		2010-12-13 10:03:48 PM

On the bright side, this wasn't in Long Beach, CA. Long Beach Police over the weekend just got done murdering some poor drunk guy. Apparently the guy was waiting at his friends house for a ride instead of drunk driving and was playing with a hose nozzle. The police, without even making contact. Not even a "Freeze, drop it," just decided to open up with a shotgun and a pistol. Oh, but remember, it's not murder when the police do it.

xpennyroyaltyx		2010-12-13 10:44:20 PM

Most of the biggest, loudest, and dumbest assholes I went to high school with are now RCMP officers. It's laughable that it takes longer to become a hair stylist than it does to become a member of our national police force. . .

at least they didn't tase the guy, right?

wejash		2010-12-14 02:19:25 AM

rebelyell2006: SwallowTheKnife: tallguywithglasseson: That's some fine police work there, Lou.

I love FG!

Fargo is set in Minnesota, not Canada.

So you're saying Minnesota is NOT Canada?

Do Minnesotans know?

You should let them down easy.