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(Telegraph)   You discover your 17-year-old daughter is having a relationship with a 57-year-old man. Do you: C) Castrate him with a bread knife? "His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 703
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2010-12-13 11:47:45 AM
lilplatinum: WilderKWight: Most girls lose their virginity when they're around 13 years of age. Most guys lose their virginity around 16 years of age.

Most farkers can add those two numbers together and still have no idea what pussy smells like.


Fantastic. Truly well done.
 
2010-12-13 11:49:20 AM
lilplatinum: And yet their more liberal laws on sex, drugs, and booze correlate with lower rates of teen pregnancy, drug addiction, and alcohol dependancy - so apparently there are some social factors at work here rather than biological development.

Again, I don't disagree that the outcome is better, but, again, it simply does not follow that this means that teenagers in Germany are making decisions in a way similar to that of adults. What may follow is that teenagers in Germany are not subjected to the same pressures to make the decisions that they're prone to screwing up, or are not getting the same sorts of notions that, for whatever reason, eventually lead the teenage brain to get it's teenage body pregnant and addicted to drugs.

It is true that the brain never stops developing but it is not true that we have determined exactly what the late adolesence development involves and both historically and presently we see teenagers in the late teens making adult-esque decision making patterns which means they do seem to at some level have a biological ability to learn from their mistakes, which if I recall reading we start really doing from 11-12.

I believe it's pretty clear at this point that a specific process occurs in the late teens and early 20s, similar to processes that go in early childhood, which makes significant changes to the way the brain works. There's no evidence that this process "never stops", it's an event. Even Ptolemy referred to maturity at 22, and it's not an accident that so many laws came to give important privileges and responsibilities to those at 20 or 21, rather than 13, 16, or 18. They were waiting for people to become "sad and wise", not merely technical or ceremonial adults.

In your earlier post, you started to go off in a direction that leads me to want to point out one other thing in this context, which is that in many of the societies where teenagers were treated as adults, it had more to do with placing on you the burdens of society than with trusting you with responsibility. That you can be conscripted to die anonymously in a monarch's war is something done for the advantage of the state that needs warm bodies to carry weapons, not out of respect for any maturity you may have at that age.

Similarly, that you can be executed for your crimes does not mean that the state has acknowledged that you typically make good decisions and that your judgment can be trusted, but rather that they're going to start punishing you for your bad ones.

This is an interesting excerpt, talking about historical views on the ages at which people were regarding as responsible and reasonable.

what I'm getting at is that the idea that legal recognition of adulthood in some arbitrary teenage year constitutes proof that they are trusted to make "safe, correct" decisions is just totally unsupportable. The last 14,000 years don't look like that at all.
 
2010-12-13 11:49:27 AM
no hero tag?

oh and was she hot?
 
2010-12-13 11:49:34 AM
Sticky Hands: altinos: Sticky Hands: Yeah that's Fark.com. No outrage at all for old Afghan Muslims with 13 year old wives. not even a peep....

Well, this story is about the 17 year old wanting the relationship.

Story?
I'm not here to read stories... I'm here to feed trolls.

Although I once had a "17 year old" (so the person claimed...) contact me in a chat room. She wanted to be some kind of S&M slave... obviously I didn't go for that. Should I have, she said that was what she wanted. What says fark?


Run away like a scared little biatch. 70% chance of it being LEO. 30% of being pure psyco, the "slave" could have been 17,14 or 44, male or female who the fark knows. Either way no good for you.
 
2010-12-13 11:53:10 AM
eunuchs? I know this!
 
2010-12-13 11:54:53 AM
b.masklinn.net
 
2010-12-13 11:55:12 AM
WilderKWight: In fact, that was a rather immature, childish, impulsive action.

I agree. Then again, maybe whatever ails him is genetic, and he also has an unusually immature, childish, impulsive daughter.

Satanicpuppy: I don't know. I've got a female friend who's 7 years older than me who can't make a rational relationship decision to save her life. Whereas most decisions I made after I was 16 were pretty good (the decision NOT to sleep with aforementioned female ranking high on the list).



So, if you control your kids sexual decision making, when do you choose to allow them their freedom? When they start making good decisions (based on your interpretation gleaned from your limited access to their sexual decision making process) or when they hit an arbitrary age marker?


One common thread from the aforementioned 14,000 years of hman history, I'm pretty sure, is that "parenting is really hard".

So many places in the US criminalize teen sex...It's not rational to throw post-pubescent kids in jail for doing what their bodies tell them to do, and up until recently, in many places, you could get tossed in jail if you were 18 and your partner was 17.5, in a state where the consent age is 18.

I agree that that would be completely irrational, but out of curiosity, where was this true? I don't doubt it, but the "sliding scale"/"gray area" approach of a few years around the age of consent was long established in my state by the time it was an issue for me. I'm wondering just how "recently" we're talking.
 
2010-12-13 11:56:22 AM
i78.photobucket.com

Major Dieter Hellstrom says: "Bread knife? Damn.... I got off easy."
 
2010-12-13 11:56:57 AM
Satanicpuppy: I don't know. I've got a female friend who's 7 years older than me who can't make a rational relationship decision to save her life. Whereas most decisions I made after I was 16 were pretty good (the decision NOT to sleep with aforementioned female ranking high on the list).

Sorry, I meant to say:
www.funnyandjokes.com
 
2010-12-13 11:57:09 AM
WilderKWight: Most girls lose their virginity when they're around 13 years of age. Most guys lose their virginity around 16 years of age.

And how much of that is rape/forced marriage?
 
2010-12-13 11:58:22 AM
HystericalParoxysm: Congrats, dad-from-the-article. Not only do you have a slutty daughter who makes poor relationship decisions, but now you're going to prison for attempted murder, removing your daughter's main male role model.

Not that you could have been doing that great a job in the first place if she was with a 57 year old dude.


2/10

You had me until "removing your daughter's main male role model". That was a bit over the top.
 
2010-12-13 11:59:00 AM
freewill: I believe it's pretty clear at this point that a specific process occurs in the late teens and early 20s, similar to processes that go in early childhood, which makes significant changes to the way the brain works. There's no evidence that this process "never stops", it's an event. Even Ptolemy referred to maturity at 22, and it's not an accident that so many laws came to give important privileges and responsibilities to those at 20 or 21,

The ages of majority were usually far younger than this and the allowances for these older ages throughout history were often to force people into early military/civil service before they became full citizens. Historic "coming of age" was largely based on sexual maturity or a particular religious ceremony. Greece and Rome were based on when your tutor said you were ready with plenty of people who were around 16 acting as Equestrians or officeholders.

freewill: Again, I don't disagree that the outcome is better, but, again, it simply does not follow that this means that teenagers in Germany are making decisions in a way similar to that of adults.

I disagree with the amount of dissimilarity between adult and older teenage decision making. There is no scientific consensus on how difference it is, but from what I recall having read the main point is how they deal with pressure - and the older brains are certainly much better at this (which is why younger teenagers have more traffic accidents and all).

Yes, they are more likely to make mistakes, however the way you are stating it I think is implying a far greater differential between a 17 and 18 year old mind and a 21 or 22 year old mind.
 
2010-12-13 11:59:38 AM
lilplatinum: All the other google translate problems in there aside, what the hell did you put in for it to say Kugeln for balls?

I used some other translator. I did use balls. :)
 
2010-12-13 12:00:42 PM
Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.

The main point is that it isn't just our right to regulate sexual partnerships among consenting adults. It is our responsibility. Your adult child could end up sleeping with someone you don't like. Then what will you do?
 
2010-12-13 12:01:35 PM
altinos: I used some other translator. I did use balls. :)

For future reference, germans call their balls eggs...

(Apparently they are really fragile?)
 
2010-12-13 12:02:41 PM
PDX Ghost Hunter: socratesthekidd:
This is why I've always said, if I have a daughter that I will teacher her/put her into a dojo to train her to be a complete badass.

What if she starts farking the instructor? If he runs a dojo you won't be able to kick his ass.


Then I sleep with his sister and dont call her afterwards. Then the dude goes full on rage, kicks the crap out of me, and then goes to jail for assault. Then something something.

/need a cigarette
 
2010-12-13 12:02:56 PM
Sticky Hands: Although I once had a "17 year old" (so the person claimed...) contact me in a chat room. She wanted to be some kind of S&M slave... obviously I didn't go for that. Should I have, she said that was what she wanted. What says fark?

I once had a 13 year old contact me on AOL Instant Messenger and asked me if I thought she was "hott". I asked her if she had a fever and she was confused.
 
2010-12-13 12:02:57 PM
lilplatinum: altinos: I used some other translator. I did use balls. :)

For future reference, germans call their balls eggs...

(Apparently they are really fragile?)


Fragile? Must be Italian...

/seasonal
 
2010-12-13 12:04:57 PM
captain_heroic44: Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.

The main point is that it isn't just our right to regulate sexual partnerships among consenting adults. It is our responsibility. Your adult child could end up sleeping with someone you don't like. Then what will you do?


Legislating morality has not worked so far, and it's unlikely that any tweaking is going to make it work.

If there's no victim, there shouldn't be any crime. It should not be the government's responsibility to protect our children from themselves, that's what parents are for.
 
2010-12-13 12:06:03 PM
Mykeru:
Oh, and JB4Pres, as ITGs never go for the simple rugged elegance of a .45 Mil-Spec or G.I., I'm betting serious money your .45 is some pimped out Kimber, probably with one of those all-pink-and-flouncy recoil spring laser sites that allow you to look fabulous while making a target group the size of a garbage can lid.

Actually its a G30. It is pimped out though ... 3.5 lb trigger and yes it has a (non-pink) 'flouncy' recoil spring laser SIGHT which I hate. My grouping however is a little tighter than a garbage can lid. I live in the country and regularly shoot in my backyard.
 
2010-12-13 12:09:30 PM
lilplatinum
For future reference, germans call their balls eggs...

Hence:

Wie kastriert man einen Kühlschrank?

Tür auf, Eier raus, Tür zu.

How do you castrate a fridge?


Open door, remove eggs, close door.
 
2010-12-13 12:10:44 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric: captain_heroic44: Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.

The main point is that it isn't just our right to regulate sexual partnerships among consenting adults. It is our responsibility. Your adult child could end up sleeping with someone you don't like. Then what will you do?

Legislating morality has not worked so far, and it's unlikely that any tweaking is going to make it work.

If there's no victim, there shouldn't be any crime. It should not be the government's responsibility to protect our children from themselves, that's what parents are for.


Maybe an approach that takes into account all the varying factors that make us angry about who other people have sex with would be best. For example, a 20 year old boy with a 45 year old woman is acceptable, unless the woman is unattractive, in which case it's rape. How would you feel if your adult son was banging a 45 year old fatty? Maybe it's acceptable for a 30 year old firefighter to date an 18 year old girl. But a 30 year old janitor shouldn't be able to get away with it, unless the girl is ugly.

It just infuriates me that people are out there having sex with people I don't approve of. It isn't about "legislating morality." It's about government action to prevent sick people from taking advantage of our adult children.
 
2010-12-13 12:11:05 PM
captain_heroic44: Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.


A neighbor is 72, his wife just turned 60. They've been married for 43 years. Is it too late to have him arrested?
 
2010-12-13 12:12:10 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric: captain_heroic44: Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.

A neighbor is 72, his wife just turned 60. They've been married for 43 years. Is it too late to have him arrested?


Disgusting.
 
2010-12-13 12:13:37 PM
i78.photobucket.com

Zed says: "Bread knife??? Some bastards have all the luck."
 
2010-12-13 12:14:13 PM
Gee, what a surprise, there are actually people on Fark who think the father was wrong in this instance... Color me surprised.
 
2010-12-13 12:14:32 PM
kerpal32: superdude72:

/call back when your judgment isn't clouded because you have a daughter in her teens.

//call back when you grow up.


You need to grow up.

Grown up behavior isn't advocating a violent solution when your precious little snowflake is farking a 57 year old man.

So either you know that and know that as much as this kind of situation is wrong, you know that such a response is wrong and you're just flexing your he man internet muscles.

Or you're an immature asshole who's a bad parent and has no business raising kids.

Which is it, tough guy?
 
2010-12-13 12:14:38 PM
captain_heroic44: Inflatable Rhetoric: captain_heroic44: Maybe we should pass statutory rape laws that aren't dependent on the age of the victim, but rather on the age difference between the parties. A 20 year old girl with a 60 year old man is sick, and such a pervert should be castrated with a butter knife just like the man in the article.

Only question is, what should be the maximum age difference? Frankly, I think it's sick for a 30 year old man to date an 18 year old girl. So maybe 12 years? But then that would leave the pervert 29 year old who's dating an 18 year old free to go.

A neighbor is 72, his wife just turned 60. They've been married for 43 years. Is it too late to have him arrested?

Disgusting.


That you, Basil?
 
2010-12-13 12:16:50 PM
PrivateCaboose: WilderKWight: Most girls lose their virginity when they're around 13 years of age. Most guys lose their virginity around 16 years of age.

And how much of that is rape/forced marriage?


Depends on if the girl changes her mind afterwards?

/that's what we call a variable
 
2010-12-13 12:17:20 PM
RedEmily: At 17, she's close to being legally an adult in ht u.s.. However, that doesn't mean that her decision making skills are close to an adults. Besides, even adults make mistakes. Also, the father went overboard. He should have just beaten up the guy.

Or he could, y'know... TALK to the guy.
 
2010-12-13 12:18:18 PM
filmstudentcentral.files.wordpress.com

I knew this movie was trouble.
 
2010-12-13 12:18:29 PM
lilplatinum: altinos: I used some other translator. I did use balls. :)

For future reference, germans call their balls eggs...

(Apparently they are really fragile?)


socratesthekidd: PDX Ghost Hunter: socratesthekidd:
This is why I've always said, if I have a daughter that I will teacher her/put her into a dojo to train her to be a complete badass.

What if she starts farking the instructor? If he runs a dojo you won't be able to kick his ass.

Then I sleep with his sister and dont call her afterwards. Then the dude goes full on rage, kicks the crap out of me, and then goes to jail for assault. Then something something.

/need a cigarette


See article for what might happend beyond frodokun: eunuchs? I know this!

Boot up the doorbollocks! The doorbollocks!
 
2010-12-13 12:18:39 PM
Honest Bender: If I have a daughter, I fully intend to own a shotgun by the time she is of dating age. Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to ever purchase ammunition for it. I just want to have something to clean/hold/stroke when a boy comes over.

Psycho toughguy dads ALWAYS have the most sexually farked up daughters. So really, you're doing the rest of us males a service.

Her numerous secret boyfriends will thank you for it.

As will most of the Football team.

/in order, by jersey number
 
2010-12-13 12:18:49 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2010-12-13 12:19:35 PM
freewill: WilderKWight: In fact, that was a rather immature, childish, impulsive action.

I agree. Then again, maybe whatever ails him is genetic, and he also has an unusually immature, childish, impulsive daughter.

Satanicpuppy: I don't know. I've got a female friend who's 7 years older than me who can't make a rational relationship decision to save her life. Whereas most decisions I made after I was 16 were pretty good (the decision NOT to sleep with aforementioned female ranking high on the list).



So, if you control your kids sexual decision making, when do you choose to allow them their freedom? When they start making good decisions (based on your interpretation gleaned from your limited access to their sexual decision making process) or when they hit an arbitrary age marker?

One common thread from the aforementioned 14,000 years of hman history, I'm pretty sure, is that "parenting is really hard".

So many places in the US criminalize teen sex...It's not rational to throw post-pubescent kids in jail for doing what their bodies tell them to do, and up until recently, in many places, you could get tossed in jail if you were 18 and your partner was 17.5, in a state where the consent age is 18.

I agree that that would be completely irrational, but out of curiosity, where was this true? I don't doubt it, but the "sliding scale"/"gray area" approach of a few years around the age of consent was long established in my state by the time it was an issue for me. I'm wondering just how "recently" we're talking.


The case I was thinking of was Genarlo Wilson in Georgia. At 17 he had consensual oral sex with a 15 year old, and got 10 years prison time. If he'd shot her, he might have gotten less time.
 
2010-12-13 12:20:13 PM
Oznog: I knew this movie was trouble.

That one was seriously effed up.

/the cook on the last boat I worked brought it out for us
//she was a little odd too
 
2010-12-13 12:20:26 PM
superdude72: RedEmily: At 17, she's close to being legally an adult in ht u.s.. However, that doesn't mean that her decision making skills are close to an adults. Besides, even adults make mistakes. Also, the father went overboard. He should have just beaten up the guy.

Or he could, y'know... TALK to the guy.


Or he could accept that his daughter is legally able to consent, and that she has a moral right to make decisions about her own sexuality. And that regardless of his or anyone else's disgust, disapproval, or opprobrium, he has no right to make sexual decisions for her.
 
2010-12-13 12:20:43 PM
Dammit, went a bit click happy on the quoting.

frodokun: eunuchs? I know this!

Boot up the doorbollocks! The doorbollocks
 
2010-12-13 12:22:11 PM
We all play the game and when we dare
To cheat ourselves at solitaire
Inventing lovers on the phone
Repenting other lives unknown
That call and say, come dance with me
And murmur vague obscenities
At ugly girls like me
At seventeen
 
2010-12-13 12:24:25 PM
lilplatinum: Tell that to Austrians who rape their daughters for 18 years in a basement or those many cultures who sell their daughters like cattle or the many Europeans who don't care when their daughters are dating older men because their culture norms aren't yours.

Wait. Cultural norm in Austria is to rape their daughters in a basement for 18 years?

/Aristocrats?
 
2010-12-13 12:27:25 PM
superdude72: RedEmily: At 17, she's close to being legally an adult in ht u.s.. However, that doesn't mean that her decision making skills are close to an adults. Besides, even adults make mistakes. Also, the father went overboard. He should have just beaten up the guy.

Or he could, y'know... TALK to the guy.


I don't know if talking would have conveyed the right message.
 
2010-12-13 12:28:54 PM
chu2dogg: jakesense: sendtodave: jakesense: /Didn't get a first date until I was 18.
//Parents were still scaring guys off until I was 21.

Now THAT is creepy.

Parents are former military. Mom just recently retired as a corrections officer/prison guard.

And now you're an AW.. I see they raised you well. ghostofreasonpast: I don't care what the German laws are. Germany doesn't have the best history for writing laws.

You're talking about a legal point of view that exists in almost all of the developed world and most of the United States as well, so it's not just Germany. And it is only a social taboo in some mostly-suburban areas in the United States.


Ohh I'm oh so sorry!! I didn't realize I was the first person ever on Fark to make a remark that was only tangential to the thread topic. Please return to your scheduled programming of knife discussions, movie references and song lyrics.
 
2010-12-13 12:36:39 PM
lilplatinum: I disagree with the amount of dissimilarity between adult and older teenage decision making. There is no scientific consensus on how difference it is, but from what I recall having read the main point is how they deal with pressure - and the older brains are certainly much better at this (which is why younger teenagers have more traffic accidents and all).

Yes, they are more likely to make mistakes, however the way you are stating it I think is implying a far greater differential between a 17 and 18 year old mind and a 21 or 22 year old mind.


There's also apparently significant difficulty with empathy (and hence, understanding the consequences of sex decisions for their partners) and with the way their brain interacts with the frontal lobe, the stuff responsible for planning, consequences and impulse control.

All I took issue with, initially, was the contention that if they're "raised right", you can trust a 17 year old to make "safe, correct" decisions (that is, what the adults involved regard as "safe, correct") without "active parenting". That was the statement made, and I think it's manifestly absurd. As you acknowledge, there simply is a difference. They are more likely to make mistakes, and it's not simply of teaching them "right", it's an issue of what is apparently a literal inability to see these things through the lens that an adult sees them through.

Biological issues or not, the idea that there's no active role for parents in looking after a teenager's social life is pretty broken, even if there's a lot of room to argue about exactly what that role should be.

To reiterate, teenagers are not simply slightly shorter adults who should have learned everything they need to know to get along without screwing themselves over already. The fact that that's a completely ridiculous sentiment is, I thought, supposed to be obvious to anyone over 25, and something only teenagers actually believe.

Satanicpuppy: The case I was thinking of was Genarlo Wilson in Georgia. At 17 he had consensual oral sex with a 15 year old, and got 10 years prison time. If he'd shot her, he might have gotten less time.

That sounds like a wildly excessive punishment, and unfair all the way around. Not quite "17.5 and 18", though.
 
2010-12-13 12:37:25 PM
RedEmily: superdude72: RedEmily: At 17, she's close to being legally an adult in ht u.s.. However, that doesn't mean that her decision making skills are close to an adults. Besides, even adults make mistakes. Also, the father went overboard. He should have just beaten up the guy.

Or he could, y'know... TALK to the guy.

I don't know if talking would have conveyed the right message.


I dunno. I've known plenty of women who could talk my balls off if they'd try.
 
2010-12-13 12:37:55 PM
dillengest: lilplatinum: altinos: I used some other translator. I did use balls. :)

For future reference, germans call their balls eggs...

(Apparently they are really fragile?)

socratesthekidd: PDX Ghost Hunter: socratesthekidd:
This is why I've always said, if I have a daughter that I will teacher her/put her into a dojo to train her to be a complete badass.

What if she starts farking the instructor? If he runs a dojo you won't be able to kick his ass.

Then I sleep with his sister and dont call her afterwards. Then the dude goes full on rage, kicks the crap out of me, and then goes to jail for assault. Then something something.

/need a cigarette

See article for what might happend beyond frodokun: eunuchs? I know this!

Boot up the doorbollocks! The doorbollocks!


Maybe I'll just settle for only putting her into dojos run by hot redheaded ninjas. I may not be able to protect my daughter, but at least I can set her up for hot redhead ninja sex?
 
2010-12-13 12:38:25 PM
I think a 40-year age difference is just gross. I don't like it one bit. So, even though I know nothing about the situation besides that it was legal, I'm going to go ahead and say that this guy deserved to lose his balls. He should have been killed and then farked in the eye sockets by all of the town's men. Also, gay people are gross too. Let's go after them!
 
2010-12-13 12:39:20 PM
The funny thing is, no thinks twice about a 57-year-old handing any kind of legal agreement whatsoever to an 18-year-old. It could be a student loan agreement, or an obligation to perform military service: a document that could impact an 18-year-old's life for decades.

To be fair, the article is about a 17-year-old. But it's only a year's difference. And it's only the ramifications of screwing we're talking about, not something truly haneous like compound interest or the 2006 bankruptcy reform--things that no one under the age of 32 should be held responsible for understanding.
 
2010-12-13 12:39:58 PM
She's only seventeen, daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me
 
2010-12-13 12:41:30 PM
haterade69: /seriously, how do you not know the half+7 rule?

It's not a rule for me if it means that 76 year-old men see themselves as eligible to date me. In fact, it's not a rule at all, just something someone made up in an essay somewhere, and it keeps getting repeated.

There's a rule for that, right? Something that's repeated endlessly so people think it's solid or useful, even though it's actually full of crap?

glwtta: Seriously it's a rule in the sense of a "useful guideline", and it's pretty spot on.

I am fully immature enough to be grossed about by men over 5 or 6 years older than me. I suppose I don't count because I'm middle-aged, but I'm certain I'm not the only person who thinks this. Or do men get to apply the rule and women just get to accept it as real?

When I was a young adult, I could imagine being with a man 10-12 years older than me. Now, at 45, sex with a 57 year-old man sounds slightly icky, please no offense to those here. At age 17, I would have found the notion utterly appalling.
 
2010-12-13 12:42:53 PM
kerpal32: uttertosh: Your social norms aren't everyone's social norms. (just to make that clear)

yes, and as I pointed out "being a father is pretty much a universal constant".
no.it.is.not.

(also, 57 yr olds should not be banging 17 yr olds,

sez who? YOU? By your set of rules regarding social acceptance, maybe. Ha.

and 17 yr olds just because the law says they are old enough to make their own decisions on sexual consent are not all universally capable of making the right decisions about it or necessarily anything else, just because they've reached a certain age. Just to make that clear to you also)

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They are not all universally incapable of those decisions, either. If you can't admit at least that, then your points are all moot, due to BIG BAD MAD DAD logic deficiency syndrome.
 
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