Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.

yup. plus a few random DUI or drug charges just because hey - why not?

but a cop kills a civillian? meh. couple/few traffic tickets and desk duty for a year.

THIS.

I was sentenced to SIX MONTHS IN JAIL for my FIRST DUI.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I now know that what I did was wrong and have learned my lesson, BUT I DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. I sure as hell could have, but I DIDN'T, unlike the POLICE OFFICER in the article.

Moderator: SilentStrider: Florida tag would have been appropriate here.

Agreed. Changed.

Moderator, what was the tag previously?

SilentStrider: LittleBlondeJug: Moderator: SilentStrider: Florida tag would have been appropriate here.

Agreed. Changed.

Moderator, what was the tag previously?

It was the asinine tag originally. Also fitting.

That's what I figured.

LittleBlondeJug: Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.

yup. plus a few random DUI or drug charges just because hey - why not?

but a cop kills a civillian? meh. couple/few traffic tickets and desk duty for a year.

THIS.

I was sentenced to SIX MONTHS IN JAIL for my FIRST DUI.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I now know that what I did was wrong and have learned my lesson, BUT I DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. I sure as hell could have, but I DIDN'T, unlike the POLICE OFFICER in the article.

I'm OKAY with this

Uh, actually the only thing the cop did wrong here was driving with the lights and siren off. She was responded to a dispatch call - aren't they allowed to drive over the speed limit then?

SilentStrider: Florida tag would have been appropriate here.

This this this this.

Soistman, known as "Fast Eddie" to friends,

Now known as "Not Fast Enough Eddie"

5:35 am in August ... sun isn't up yet, hard to tell that the oncoming vehicle is hauling farking ass ...

Stupid coont. Karma's waiting for ya, murderer.

RIP caring dude.

Cops are exempt from speed limits when duty calls. The investigation looks at the other aspects of the incident - primarily the act that caused it, not the result.

/Never mind - just hate the cop.

Save (some of) your outrage here...

FTFA: The crash happened at 5:35 a.m. Aug. 17. Miller was racing north on Magnolia Homes Road in west Orange County to a suspicious-vehicle call when she plowed into the Buick driven by Ed Soistman. She did not have on her emergency lights or siren.

It is a tragedy, though, and she either shouldn't have been speeding or she should have had on her emergency lights & siren. But, on the other hand, she wasn't street racing or just driving to the store. Still a tragedy for the elderly gentleman, regardless.

Edsel: Uh, actually the only thing the cop did wrong here was driving with the lights and siren off. She was responded to a dispatch call - aren't they allowed to drive over the speed limit then?

Not with total disregard for the well-being of others.

Having a badge doesn't make it so you can "accidentally" kill people because you don't think you have to show any regard for anyone. And yet they do constantly and get away with it.

Meh. If the old dude has family they now have the chance to do the honorable thing without waiting for her to get out of jail.

Cop hate or Elderly Driver hate... too.. many.. options...

lunkhed: Cops are exempt from speed limits when duty calls. The investigation looks at the other aspects of the incident - primarily the act that caused it, not the result.

/Never mind - just hate the cop.

1. If it's an emergency, use emergency lights or siren.
2. If it's not an emergency, don't go 86 in a 40.
3. Failure to hold to 1 or 2 will result in legit cop hate.

Fluffy_the_cactus: Save (some of) your outrage here...

FTFA: The crash happened at 5:35 a.m. Aug. 17. Miller was racing north on Magnolia Homes Road in west Orange County to a suspicious-vehicle call when she plowed into the Buick driven by Ed Soistman. She did not have on her emergency lights or siren.

It is a tragedy, though, and she either shouldn't have been speeding or she should have had on her emergency lights & siren. But, on the other hand, she wasn't street racing or just driving to the store. Still a tragedy for the elderly gentleman, regardless.

Which you can argue makes it negligent homicide instead of manslaughter

I agree, her mistake here was not having lights/sirens on, not necessarily the speeding (although her speed was probably negligently high for the seriousness of a suspicious vehicle call)... but it's still a mistake that cost someone their life, and if she wasn't a cop it wouldn't be swept under the rug.

robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.


Prison time

lunkhed: Cops are exempt from speed limits when duty calls. The investigation looks at the other aspects of the incident - primarily the act that caused it, not the result.

/Never mind - just hate the cop.

You still have to drive at a speed that is reasonable and safe. Driving at 86 in a 40 is only reasonable if there is life in danger.

This cop was abusing her badge, killed an innocent person, and got away with it. And the fact that other cops stick up for her makes them ALL COPS BAD COPS.

A good cop, in this situation, would walk up to her desk and put handcuffs on her. Anything less makes you just as much horrible disgusting slime as this woman.

LittleBlondeJug: Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.

yup. plus a few random DUI or drug charges just because hey - why not?

but a cop kills a civillian? meh. couple/few traffic tickets and desk duty for a year.

THIS.

I was sentenced to SIX MONTHS IN JAIL for my FIRST DUI.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I now know that what I did was wrong and have learned my lesson, BUT I DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. I sure as hell could have, but I DIDN'T, unlike the POLICE OFFICER in the article.

Hey um, I don't want to hijack the thread, but can you let us in on some of your lesbian activities in jail? The warden, she was a real biatch, right?

/I'll get ready

Soistman, known as "Fast Eddie" to friends, was on his way to hospital for his appointment at 05.35 am. He wanted to get there before they shut.

Edsel: Uh, actually the only thing the cop did wrong here was driving with the lights and siren off. She was responded to a dispatch call - aren't they allowed to drive over the speed limit then?


I think you forgot the dangerous and killing part because of not having the lights and sirens on.

Someone's missing the point of actually having them. You and the murderer.

Darth_Lukecash: Sounds like he misjudge her speed and pulled out on her.

Most people don't expect the on coming car to be doing twice the posted speed limit. Especially if its a cop with no lights on.

Stanfan114: LittleBlondeJug: Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.

yup. plus a few random DUI or drug charges just because hey - why not?

but a cop kills a civillian? meh. couple/few traffic tickets and desk duty for a year.

THIS.

I was sentenced to SIX MONTHS IN JAIL for my FIRST DUI.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I now know that what I did was wrong and have learned my lesson, BUT I DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. I sure as hell could have, but I DIDN'T, unlike the POLICE OFFICER in the article.

I'm OKAY with this

Of course you are, badge licker.

He_Hate_Me:

1. If it's an emergency, use emergency lights or siren.
2. If it's not an emergency, don't go 86 in a 40.
3. Failure to hold to 1 or 2 will result in legit cop hate.

So a cop is not allowed to use 'silent approach' in your area? They are in mine. Also lights and sirens are only used to warn other road users where necessary. If it appears the road is empty, it saves on complaints about the noise from the cop-haters trying to sleep.
/Obviously they were necessary here. Also the complaints.

Edsel: Uh, actually the only thing the cop did wrong here was driving with the lights and siren off. She was responded to a dispatch call - aren't they allowed to drive over the speed limit then?

uh only thing she did wrong?? she killed the guy with her speeding... if your a cop and your speeding to respond to a call put your damn sirens/lights on then at least people at intersections can hear them coming and get out of the way..

i don't see how she can remain on road duty after that... but i guess it pays to be a cop. a civilian in the same situation as this would be charged with reckless driving/endangerment/manslaughter etc...

GonadtheBarbarian: Of course you are, badge licker.

I'm about as anti-cop as anyone on fark (Seriously, ask CruiserTwelve), and I think that people who drink and drive should be hung by their unmentionables so as to avoid passing their faulty decision-making genes further down the pool.

Vangor: While I don't believe a vehicular manslaughter or similar charge should be against this officer

Why? Vehicular manslaughter doesn't involve intent, it involves negligence. Are you saying this officer should get off lighter because they're an officer?

Congratulations, you are part of the reason people hate cops.

.....and the officer has only been cited...they haven't admitted to fault or pled guilty. They can show up for court, and if for any reason the ticketing officer doesn't show...the case will magically disappear.


And you can bet that when the civil case / wrongful death lawsuit comes up, the cop's attorney will be pushing for contributory negligence - if they can show that the old guy was even partially responsible (e.g., didn't think that a vehicle might be coming at him at 2X+ over the speed limit), that can be an absolute defense, and the cop might even get off without any civil or financial penalty, either.

Gdiguy: Fluffy_the_cactus: Save (some of) your outrage here...

FTFA: The crash happened at 5:35 a.m. Aug. 17. Miller was racing north on Magnolia Homes Road in west Orange County to a suspicious-vehicle call when she plowed into the Buick driven by Ed Soistman. She did not have on her emergency lights or siren.

It is a tragedy, though, and she either shouldn't have been speeding or she should have had on her emergency lights & siren. But, on the other hand, she wasn't street racing or just driving to the store. Still a tragedy for the elderly gentleman, regardless.

Which you can argue makes it negligent homicide instead of manslaughter

I agree, her mistake here was not having lights/sirens on, not necessarily the speeding (although her speed was probably negligently high for the seriousness of a suspicious vehicle call)... but it's still a mistake that cost someone their life, and if she wasn't a cop it wouldn't be swept under the rug.

I agree wholeheartedly she could be charged with negligent homicide. My point was merely that there was no intent to murder someone else, so the outrage aimed at her is (somewhat) unwarranted. As far as whether or not her speed was acceptable for a suspicious vehicle call, I dunno... it would depend on the specific circumstances. If there had been a specific threat called in that was serious, and this suspicious vehicle call came in shortly thereafter, then it could be argued that the speed was justified.

GonadtheBarbarian: Stanfan114: LittleBlondeJug: Weaver95: robmilmel: Weaver95: Had a civillian been speeding and killed a cop, I suspect the punishment would have been much more harsh.

Vehicular homicide... reckless endangerment or involuntary manslaughter at the least.

yup. plus a few random DUI or drug charges just because hey - why not?

but a cop kills a civillian? meh. couple/few traffic tickets and desk duty for a year.

THIS.

I was sentenced to SIX MONTHS IN JAIL for my FIRST DUI.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

I now know that what I did was wrong and have learned my lesson, BUT I DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY. I sure as hell could have, but I DIDN'T, unlike the POLICE OFFICER in the article.

I'm OKAY with this

Of course you are, badge licker.

So you are on the side of the... drunk driver?

Really?

Smeggy Smurf: I'd be happy to provide an alibi provided they slowly cut the pig up with blowtorches while staked out. Nah, I'd want to help.

And one more for the "violent-revenge-fetishist, mental health in question" list.

Smeggy Smurf: Free Range Deranged: Meh. If the old dude has family they now have the chance to do the honorable thing without waiting for her to get out of jail.

I'd be happy to provide an alibi provided they slowly cut the pig up with blowtorches while staked out. Nah, I'd want to help.

/fark the fuzz

Right, so accidentally killing someone is unacceptable, but plotting someone's murder and even enjoying it are okey-dokey? That was a beautiful troll.

NEVAR FORGET all cops are heroes, people. Each and every last elder-killing one of them.

In my heart, I really do think 80 percent of cops are good people. but when they pull together to protect the farkups in cases like this, it really makes me wonder...

Hey, at least she got tickets and lost her driver's license.

The IMPD cop who ran down and killed a 20 year old mother while running very fast without lights or siren didn't even get disciplined by the department. This, even though she was a rookie who had already had several previous crashes.

Sadly, wrecking their squad cars like it's a Demolition Derby, driving drunk or high on Oxycontin and killing innocent motorists seems to be a "sport" for Indianapolis' "Finest" (heavy sarcasm). Little discipline, no accountability, and a rank and file that whines about the top brass trying to rein-in their antics is what we deal with. It isn't "a few bad apples" as they try to say. It's a culture that cops cover for each other. People are getting sick of it and anyone who is a cop had better try and change it, because it's not just the inner-city blacks who are mad - it's suburbanites with money who are tired of the corruption.

Victim's family alleges IMPD officer drove 95mph (new window)


Repeat crashes prompt calls for IMPD policy change (new window)

Stanfan114: So you are on the side of the... drunk driver?

Really?

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

If Jug's crime was a simple DUI with no other factors (injury), than yeah, I am on the side of that drunk driver and the 8th amendment.

If drinking is so terrible that a first and simple DUI warrants 6 months in a lesbian dream sequence of my imagination jail, than just outlaw alcohol, period.