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(Talking Points Memo)   If you're the kind of guy who kills bills that up funding for math and science education by forcing Democrats to vote in favor of federal employees viewing porn, you're exactly the right guy to chair the House Science and Tech Committee   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2010-12-09 01:44:46 PM  
Goddammitsomuch.

Drill baby, drill.
 
2010-12-09 02:28:48 PM  
republican scum. human filth. garbage at its worst. enjoy your new congress, america - you asked for it!
 
2010-12-09 02:43:43 PM  
More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...
 
2010-12-09 03:02:31 PM  
Perfect.
 
2010-12-09 03:59:28 PM  
wow that would be like putting the guy who said that wind farms might use up all the wind and then apologized to BP for the oil spill in charge of the energy committee.
 
2010-12-09 04:51:16 PM  

thomps: wow that would be like putting the guy who said that wind farms might use up all the wind and then apologized to BP for the oil spill in charge of the energy committee.


At first I laughed at your gross hyperbole, and then I cried at our gross reality.
 
2010-12-09 04:57:03 PM  
He's also the oldest member of Congress. Exactly who I want in charge of Science and Technology.

img192.imageshack.us
 
2010-12-09 04:59:19 PM  
'Lections have consequences.
 
2010-12-09 04:59:21 PM  
From the article giving an explanation on the porn ban thing:

In this case, Republicans included a provision that would bar the federal government from paying the salaries of employees who've been disciplined for viewing pornography at work.

To proceed with the bill and bring it to a final vote, Democrats would have had to vote against the motion to recommit, and against the porn ban.


One, even though I know it's common practice it still blows my mind that unrelated garbage like that gets tagged onto bills all the time. Two, really Democrats? If you were in support of the bill, suck it up, vote against the recommit and call the Republicans on their cheap crap.
 
2010-12-09 05:00:34 PM  

sprawl15: thomps: wow that would be like putting the guy who said that wind farms might use up all the wind and then apologized to BP for the oil spill in charge of the energy committee.

At first I laughed at your gross hyperbole, and then I cried at our gross reality.


Hey, be fair, at least he knows how continental drift works.

Oh wait... (new window)
 
2010-12-09 05:03:31 PM  

Car_Ramrod: He's also the oldest member of Congress. Exactly who I want in charge of Science and Technology.


He has made a strong commitment to address the shameful lack of funding for research in the key technologies of telegraphy and steam locomotives.
 
2010-12-09 05:05:59 PM  
The Derp is strong in this one.
 
2010-12-09 05:06:08 PM  
What someone who kills bills might look like:

analienparisienne.files.wordpress.com

"Those of you lucky enough to still have your amendments, take them with you! But leave the earmarks you have lost. They belong to me now."
 
2010-12-09 05:09:41 PM  
It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.
 
2010-12-09 05:10:16 PM  
That Sputnik moment's coming faster than most people realize. And most of these tools will be on the front lines asking why we didn't invest in science and math all along.
 
2010-12-09 05:13:22 PM  
Of course, it's easier just to pay a company millions of dollars to come up with a math and science competency exam that any farkwit could pass, and then spend every single moment in the classroom teaching the test because no one has taught the farkwit students anything else.
 
2010-12-09 05:20:31 PM  
I may disagree with the Republicans, but I'll give em this much. They're good at keeping people stupid.
 
2010-12-09 05:22:20 PM  
Logging industry lackeys in Interior. Oil industry henchmen in Energy. Bank industry insiders in Commerce. Jesus lovers on the Science Committee. If it's not bought and paid for it's being held hostage. And it's not just those dastardly Republicans, though they do have a knack for being somewhat more obscene about it.
 
2010-12-09 05:22:34 PM  

Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...


If money made people live longer then Bill Gates would be the oldest man in the world.
 
2010-12-09 05:25:53 PM  

Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...


I guess Gato went to a government school?
 
2010-12-09 05:26:56 PM  

salvador.hardin: Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...

If money made people live longer then Bill Gates would be the oldest man in the world.


hahahhahahahhha

so let's get this straight, because some schools (primarily in poor/inner city places) are wasteful money isn't related to outcomes? If thats how you feel than why do we spend any money on schools?

choice isn't the solution the solution is to get people to treat 0-3 year olds with the attention, intelligence and positivity needed for a 0-3.. that is the most important window for education - a lot of people screw it up - mainly fark members

also smaller class sizes for younger students are necessary..

Money solves problems; notice how no rich person ever dies of aids?
 
2010-12-09 05:27:24 PM  
What's wrong with federal employees viewing porn?
 
2010-12-09 05:28:21 PM  

Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.


Public schools, shiatwit. The idea of free and available education to every child in this country, to keep us a nation of citizens and not a nation of serfs. I guess you must've read that Fox News memo about "government-run health care". Farking tool.
 
2010-12-09 05:29:14 PM  

dalevywasbri: Money solves problems; notice how no rich person ever dies of aids?


That's 'cause supply-side Jesus loves them, dumbass. The rich are better because they have more money.
 
2010-12-09 05:29:48 PM  

jasimo: It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.


Admittedly, those examples all come from just one political party.
 
2010-12-09 05:33:21 PM  

Geotpf: jasimo: It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.

Admittedly, those examples all come from just one political party.


Yea Robert Rubin wasn't under Clinton - not to mention the fact Every USDA head is just a shill...
 
2010-12-09 05:35:30 PM  
goddammitsomuch. stop responding to black cats. some of us have him on iggy so the thread doesn't get shiat on.
 
2010-12-09 05:45:25 PM  

Geotpf: jasimo: It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.

Admittedly, those examples all come from just one political party.


Let's see...there are a lot of things that make me despair. They can't all have come from one party.

How about starting a destabilizing war in Iraq? Refusing to pass a START treaty? Apologizing to BP? Maintaining tax cuts for the richest 1.5% while espousing deficit reduction? Pandering to an ignorant base by spouting party lines at odds with established fact? Pushing ignorance and fear? Parading a brain-dead woman to bolster support among the bible thumpers? Campaigning against internet neutrality with lies and distortions? Pushing Creationism as an theory on level with evolution?

I could go on, but I don't want to start crying all over my keyboard.
 
2010-12-09 05:50:12 PM  
That the GOP would put this dinosaur in that position tells you exactly the contempt they have for their own country.
 
2010-12-09 05:52:50 PM  

chard: I guess Gato went to a government school?


He was forced there by gunpoint, and was given no choice to attend any other sort of educational institution either. As he points out- he had no choice in his schooling.

There are a large number of problems with the educational system in the US. But a lack of choice is not among them. What he's really claiming is not that he wants choice- it's that he wants to deny his obligation to society. Because what is the wingnut educational dream? Vouchers- steal tax dollars from the public school system and shunt it into the private one, based on some mythical idea that your tax dollars are paying for your educational needs.

I have no children in school, yet I pay school taxes. This is because it is a public good to have an educated populace. The proposed voucher system denies this basic truth and turns it around: "I got mine."

All that said: tax breaks for private school tuition are a good thing, and they are also a fairly common thing. Voucher are unnecessary and detract from providing education. Anyone who promotes them under the bugaboo of "providing choices" is lying. They already have choices- they just aren't bootstrappy enough to be a member of society and promote their own welfare.
 
2010-12-09 05:53:07 PM  

jasimo: Geotpf: jasimo: It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.

Admittedly, those examples all come from just one political party.

Let's see...there are a lot of things that make me despair. They can't all have come from one party.

How about starting a destabilizing war in Iraq? Refusing to pass a START treaty? Apologizing to BP? Maintaining tax cuts for the richest 1.5% while espousing deficit reduction? Pandering to an ignorant base by spouting party lines at odds with established fact? Pushing ignorance and fear? Parading a brain-dead woman to bolster support among the bible thumpers? Campaigning against internet neutrality with lies and distortions? Pushing Creationism as an theory on level with evolution?

I could go on, but I don't want to start crying all over my keyboard.


Just for clarity, I meant Schiavo, not Palin.
 
2010-12-09 05:53:38 PM  

Gato Negro: /ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...


They can't do one thing that would hurt a single hair on the head of one single teachers union member. So they sentence hundreds of thousands of children to a lifetime of burger-flipping.

Because 'One Size Fits All' dammit!

/ blueshiat
 
2010-12-09 05:56:21 PM  

Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.

/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...


Not that you're paying attention, but DC schools went to a choice-based system.

DC's ranking in '08? 50 out of 51 (thanks, Maine!!), if you go by SAT scores.

// for some reason, it's hard to find by-state rankings of education
 
2010-12-09 06:00:36 PM  

jasimo: How about starting a destabilizing war in Iraq? Refusing to pass a START treaty? Apologizing to BP? Maintaining tax cuts for the richest 1.5% while espousing deficit reduction? Pandering to an ignorant base by spouting party lines at odds with established fact? Pushing ignorance and fear? Parading a brain-dead woman to bolster support among the bible thumpers? Campaigning against internet neutrality with lies and distortions? Pushing Creationism as an theory on level with evolution?


Don't forget not funding stem-cell research because of religious dogma. Oh and pursuing an expensive, failed war on drugs. Preventing gay people from getting married or serving in the military. Trying to eliminate the patient-doctor choice with regards to abortion. Requiring documents upon request to the authorities in Arizona.
 
2010-12-09 06:01:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Not that you're paying attention, but DC schools went to a choice-based system.


How many students are permitted to choose? I'm under the impression (and too lazy to start googling) that it is extremely limited and based on a lottery system. That doesn't sound like much of a choice for everyone, or one that is going to change mean SAT scores by more than a fraction.
 
2010-12-09 06:04:18 PM  

dalevywasbri: Geotpf: jasimo: It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering avoiding all political news for the foreseeable future.

For the last decade or so, following politics has become an exercise in masochism. Just when you think we've reached the bottom, we find a new bottom. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN; apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy; anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science."

I really is despairing and incredibly sad.

Admittedly, those examples all come from just one political party.

Yea Robert Rubin wasn't under Clinton - not to mention the fact Every USDA head is just a shill...


There were three examples in jasimo's post:

1. "He hates the UN, let's get him in the UN". That would be John Bolton, Republican and famous mustache aficionado.
2. "apologizes to BP, let's get him to head up energy". That would be Joe Barton, Republican.
3. "anti-math and science, let's put him in charge of science". That would be Ralph Hall, Republican.

My statement "those examples all come from just one political party" was accurate.
 
2010-12-09 06:07:56 PM  
Man I wish democrats were not such pansies and had a clue how to spin things.

We need more funding for science. They stick a believed automatic kill switch in there on pornography.

Come out and say something along the line of: " Republicans in congress want to view pornography. Being the Republicans are the party of family values us Liberals wanting to support the needs of all Americans must support the dire need of Republican congressmen in the viewing of pornography while at work. "

Then vote straight yes on the bill. Get your funding and shift the shiat parts on the republicans.

Liberal congresspeople are all girls... some just have not developed yet.
 
2010-12-09 06:09:26 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

Nevermind, here's the information from the FAQ page:

How many scholarships will be available?

Approximately 2,000 students will be able to receive scholarships.
 
2010-12-09 06:18:23 PM  
The HORROR! Now we'll have no funding for math and science!

Wait, the bill still passed the House back in May?

O well, carry on.
 
2010-12-09 06:19:22 PM  
FTA - "Smart investments Reciprocal subsidies in basic research and development to friendly companies, coupled with proper business and tax incentives sweetheart contracts and massive tax breaks, will spur innovation ensure sweet, sweet campaign contributions and kickbacks and allow American businesses our cronies to commercialize and manufacture technologies dominate their industries here in the United States. How that impacts our nation's future or our ability to compete on the world stage is not my problem. shiat, I probably won't even be alive ten years from now."


Fixed that for him.
 
2010-12-09 06:24:31 PM  

dalevywasbri: Money solves problems; notice how no rich person ever dies of aids?


www.freddie-mercury.com
Poor.
images.usatoday.com
Poor.
3.bp.blogspot.com
Poor.
static.tvtropes.org
Poor.
 
2010-12-09 06:27:16 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

Here's some more information about the DC school system:

The average educator was paid $67,000 in 2010. A contract signed in 2010 was expected to raise that figure to $81,000 in 2012.

By the 2005-2006 school year, enrollment had dropped to 58,000 students.


2,000 student out of around 60,000 get school choice based on a lottery system. Yet, per your link, the system is well below average; actually almost at the utter bottom. Yet the teachers are about to receive a raise that would put a smile on anyones face. Bullshiat. Total complete unadulterated bullshiat.
 
2010-12-09 06:29:05 PM  

flannelled fool: Dr Dreidel: Not that you're paying attention, but DC schools went to a choice-based system.

How many students are permitted to choose? I'm under the impression (and too lazy to start googling) that it is extremely limited and based on a lottery system. That doesn't sound like much of a choice for everyone, or one that is going to change mean SAT scores by more than a fraction.


"Choice" is pointless unless you have a choice. That is, unless the schools are autonomous. If the schools can't run themselves, choose their teachers and administrators, extracurricular programs, etc. then there's not much point in allowing parents and kids to choose among them. The schools have to be able to compete by being able to make autonomous changes. From what I understand, in DC, there wasn't a lot of that, if any.
 
2010-12-09 06:38:51 PM  
flannelled fool - Dr Dreidel:

Here's some more information about the DC school system:

The average educator was paid $67,000 in 2010. A contract signed in 2010 was expected to raise that figure to $81,000 in 2012.

By the 2005-2006 school year, enrollment had dropped to 58,000 students.

2,000 student out of around 60,000 get school choice based on a lottery system. Yet, per your link, the system is well below average; actually almost at the utter bottom. Yet the teachers are about to receive a raise that would put a smile on anyones face. Bullshiat. Total complete unadulterated bullshiat.


I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I have it on very good authority that $250K barely even qualifies as middle class in the DC-NOVA area...

At barely a quarter of that, it's clearly a wonder that those poor teachers can even afford cat food for supper.
 
2010-12-09 06:47:57 PM  

technicolor-misfit: I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I have it on very good authority that $250K barely even qualifies as middle class in the DC-NOVA area...

At barely a quarter of that, it's clearly a wonder that those poor teachers can even afford cat food for supper.


I'll concede that there's a difference between the cost of living 'inside the Beltway' and the approx. 60 miles to where I live -- where 80k would be considered average earnings. But when you reward lack of competence and extremely poor results with a huge raise, you're guaranteed to only get more of the same.

Carrot and stick. All carrot, in my opinion.
 
2010-12-09 06:49:48 PM  
By standard logic, the fact that he is vocally opposed math and science means that he's really a closet nerd. He goes into dark alleys at night looking for random study groups to join that won't judge and don't ask names.
 
2010-12-09 07:02:27 PM  

jigger: dalevywasbri: Money solves problems; notice how no rich person ever dies of aids?


Poor.

Poor.

Poor.

Poor.


Don't be fatuous
 
2010-12-09 07:22:36 PM  

Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...


Nope, choice would be fine, but because for you whackadoodles that means teaching that the Bible is true history and that the earth was created 6k years ago, don't be surprised when rational people tell you to STFU.

The conservative goal is to destroy education and stop the teaching of science and thinking skills. An uneducated populace just loves glow in the dark toilet seats at Walmart.
 
2010-12-09 07:25:52 PM  

dalevywasbri: salvador.hardin: Gato Negro: More money won't make government schools any better.

If it would, than the crotch of the country (i.e. Washington D.C.) would have the most brilliant students in the nation.


/ChoiceTM is the answer, but liberals oppose it...

If money made people live longer then Bill Gates would be the oldest man in the world.

hahahhahahahhha

so let's get this straight, because some schools (primarily in poor/inner city places) are wasteful money isn't related to outcomes? If thats how you feel than why do we spend any money on schools?

choice isn't the solution the solution is to get people to treat 0-3 year olds with the attention, intelligence and positivity needed for a 0-3.. that is the most important window for education - a lot of people screw it up - mainly fark members

also smaller class sizes for younger students are necessary..

Money solves problems; notice how no rich person ever dies of aids?


Or generally has a problem getting a college education.
 
2010-12-09 07:53:42 PM  

Car_Ramrod: He's also the oldest member of Congress. Exactly who I want in charge of Science and Technology.


Shut the hell up, you'll take your series of tubes and like it!
 
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