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2010-12-08 03:13:32 PM  

redmid17: Pollard was at least leaking stuff to an "ally."


Israel's relationship with us is parasitic and not as an "ally" for the most part.
That and Israel is hardly a good guy.
 
2010-12-08 03:13:53 PM  

seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!


Those dead soldiers coming home from Afghanistan might disagree with you. As well as the ones who are still alive.
 
2010-12-08 03:13:53 PM  

ghare: Gdalescrboz: The only issue i have with the things leaked are names of informants. These peoples lives, and their family, have been put into the kind of danger that will only be realized when we find their headless bodies. Not only has Wikileaks put their lives in danger, troops lives have been put in more danger. It will only be harder to aquire informants now that they know their names are not safe

Please list the people who have been killed since the leak.


The reports are still considered classified along with the names of all the informants. If the government were to find out an informant was killed that would in a classified report.


The best you'll find in open source are reports the Taliban are reading the reports looking for informants
(new window).
 
2010-12-08 03:14:08 PM  
I wonder Assange is going to release the transcripts of conversations between his lawyers and himself, or does he consider that classified?
 
2010-12-08 03:14:37 PM  

seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!


Hmm....bold, larger font, caps, and using underline. Nice

You forgot to italicize though. And choose a more rage-like color, perhaps red. So your post falls short of angry guy standards.
 
2010-12-08 03:14:55 PM  

ACallForPeace: redmid17: Pollard was at least leaking stuff to an "ally."

Israel's relationship with us is parasitic and not as an "ally" for the most part.
That and Israel is hardly a good guy.


You do realize what " " mean around a word right? I would consider more of a friendly mercenary than ally, kind of like Dash Rendar.

/our ships beat .75 past lightspeed too
 
2010-12-08 03:15:07 PM  
DIAF Manning... you ahole.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:14 PM  
Manning will spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement.

He'll be able to walk around outside for 1/2 hour a day.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:19 PM  
Meanwhile in Washington, sales of "Stop Snitchin'" t-shirts were at record highs.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:20 PM  
That's Berkeley.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:22 PM  

All_Farked_Up: X-boxershorts: All_Farked_Up: Heysomefarkingpenguinatemysammich!: Lacerated Spleen: Maybe he needs to be honored with a firing squad.

So telling the truth is something he deserves to be shot for? No I don't agree with how he did it and yes he did break the law but he does not need to be farking killed.

He Put Lives In Danger

How hard is that to understand?

Except he didn't.

The papers named undercover agents. They also listed which military bases were most essential to the war effort. What part if 'in danger' do you not understand?


They also list the weapons/supplies allowed to the companies/brigades etc. that go over there. The enemy knowing exactly what you have is a significant risk.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:48 PM  
If you don't trust Greenwald, here's a fine essay from an Army SigInt who served in Afghanistan...

Link (new window)


No...He Did Not.

His actions are still criminal, but no one has been endangered.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:51 PM  
Ah, the Berkeley city council... the reason the students at the UC there just call it Cal, and generally say they're from SF instead.

And if he leaked info for real (as in, real info and not something the CIA wanted him to leak for counterintel purposes) he's not going to be Pfc anything for long. This is basically what dishonorable discharges are designed for.
 
2010-12-08 03:15:52 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!

Those dead soldiers coming home from Afghanistan might disagree with you. As well as the ones who are still alive.


Really, when did Congress pass a declaration of war? Show me ... I'll be waiting. Or did you mean that this unofficial "police action" in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, in that case, let's farking end the war we've already been in for the last 60 years on the Korean Peninsula.

/Fark head ...
 
2010-12-08 03:15:56 PM  

Crosshair:
So many people are failing to learn from history.


Remind me about how North Vietnam directly attacked us, causing more casualties than the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor? 'Cause, man, I missed that one.

I mean, you must be talking about Afghanistan. You can't be talking about Iraq, because in case you haven't been keeping up with current events, by any rational standard we are winning, and quite handily.
 
2010-12-08 03:16:12 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.


so it will be a double - this guy and Cheney, awesome. leak names of operatives during war - that is treason.
 
2010-12-08 03:16:30 PM  

dittybopper: Braindeath: //Stop getting into unwinnable wars like farking dumbasses

You know, every time I hear something like that in even vague reference to Afghanistan, I see this image in my head:

/Must mean Afghanistan because Iraq is pretty much won at this point.


The Leaks way otherwise. Though you haven't read them so you wouldn't know that. Isn't ignorance bliss?

You realize that 15 of the hijackers were Saudi too.

You also realize that it was the US that created Bin Laden. The CIA refers to this stuff as "Blowback". Bin Laden didn't get people to fly planes into buildings because we have freedom of speech and women driving cars. The Ayatollah tried that sort of stuff in the 80's and got nowhere. He got them because of the perceived imperialism of the US in the region same reason people rallied against the soviets.

You also know we did exactly what Bin Laden wanted to do. He wanted us to come over to Afghanistan so he can do to us what he did to the Soviets, bankrupt us. Why come to us when he can con us to coming to him. Every day we stay there, Bin Laden wins a little more
 
2010-12-08 03:16:46 PM  
HEY LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE LEAKS AND TALK ABOUT THIS BULLshiat INSTEAD

PFC MANNING IS A GAY TRAITOR AND I HEAR HE OWNS A JAPANESE CAR TOO
 
2010-12-08 03:17:39 PM  

toilet engineer: *grabs popcorn*


Pass some over here and I'll share my Smarties.
 
2010-12-08 03:17:41 PM  
For the attackers, "this is another form of political protest, even though it is criminal and something uncalled for," he said.

liek doin da saem fing to da WikiLeaks siet??? lulz

farking hypocrites.

For the attackers, "this is another form of political protest, even though it is criminal and something uncalled for," he said.

liek doin da saem fing to da WikiLeaks siet??? lulz

farking hypocrites.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9200521/MasterCard_others_hit_b​y_DDoS_at t acks_over_WikiLeaks?
taxonomyId=82&pageNumber=2


And as for you calling this guy out as a criminal: there are some at least suspect acts being released in these cables. I wouldn't be surprised if war crimes show up. There are laws protecting whistleblowers.
 
2010-12-08 03:18:23 PM  
So many internet Combat Troops/Superpatriots/Sea Lawyers in here it's hilarious. TREASON! FIRING SQUAD! SUPERPATRIOTS... MOUNT UP!

You tell 'em Commander Dick Cheese!
 
2010-12-08 03:18:25 PM  

katghoti: the_falling_duck: katghoti: Yea, let's celebrate someone who took it upon themselves to endanger the lives of people because he knowingly broke the law! Yea, law breakers, next we'll celebrate Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, hell even Iran and Kim Jong Il and finally the 9/11 attackers. They all did "what is right" as well.

shiat why doesn't Time put him as man of the year as well.

You know who else was Time's Man of the year?

/asswipes!

/You know who else broke the law...?

You know who else was a patriot and didn't endanger the lives of his spies and confidants?

What this jackwipe did was the same as Nathan Hale, not Washington.

Swing and a miss!


Nathan Hale was a hero of the American Revolution, spying against the British. You have him confused with Benedict Arnold.

SoxSweepAgain: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Berkeley, where espionage and treason gets you free drinks and a parking space next to the mayors.

Treason? Why? How?

GOOD FOR HIM. AMERICAN HERO.

PFC MANNING FTW.

/Expose more.


Treason as defined in Art. III of the US Constitution. Also, depending on exactly how they're wording the charges, they could find him in violation of the Espionage Act.

The usual punishment for treason for a member of the US military has been death by firing squad.
 
2010-12-08 03:18:36 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: stonicus: Kazrath: While I agree a large portion of this information should not have been secret in the first place and the fact that it is now "leaked" is a good thing, I also believe the Private should be locked up for treason. This guy is not a "Hero" he is a criminal.

Just because I believe Marijuana should be legal it currently is not. Users who do not have medical licenses are indeed criminals.

But *just* the fact something is "against the law" alone is not enough to merit anything as legitimate. It still has to stand on its own as "bad". Oral sex is "against the law" in some places, but that doesn't make it right that it is.

So who gets to decide what laws you "really" have to follow? Is there a website somewhere that lists all the laws we're allowed to ignore?


If a law causes more harm than the action it is prohibiting there is a moral obligation to ignore the law and work to have it altered or abolished.. That said, unless there's some huge revelation that comes out, he hardly deserves the title hero.
 
2010-12-08 03:18:57 PM  

seadoo2006: Cat Food Sandwiches: seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!

Those dead soldiers coming home from Afghanistan might disagree with you. As well as the ones who are still alive.

Really, when did Congress pass a declaration of war? Show me ... I'll be waiting. Or did you mean that this unofficial "police action" in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, in that case, let's farking end the war we've already been in for the last 60 years on the Korean Peninsula.

/Fark head ...


When bullets are flying it's war, no matter what congress decides to call it.
 
2010-12-08 03:19:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: stonicus: Kazrath: While I agree a large portion of this information should not have been secret in the first place and the fact that it is now "leaked" is a good thing, I also believe the Private should be locked up for treason. This guy is not a "Hero" he is a criminal.

Just because I believe Marijuana should be legal it currently is not. Users who do not have medical licenses are indeed criminals.

But *just* the fact something is "against the law" alone is not enough to merit anything as legitimate. It still has to stand on its own as "bad". Oral sex is "against the law" in some places, but that doesn't make it right that it is.

So who gets to decide what laws you "really" have to follow? Is there a website somewhere that lists all the laws we're allowed to ignore?


Who decides it? The side with most guns... =(
But basically, you ignore the law, get arrested, make a public plea, then if you have support, maybe it is repealed or amended, and you have successfully brought about change... or if your alone in your opinion, you go to jail and/or are shot in the face... I never said there would be no consequences.. just that to automatically and blindly go "against the law = the evil" is wrong...
 
2010-12-08 03:19:31 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: HEY LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE LEAKS


I've read a number of them. To me they seem to show a very professional, well run, effective State Department.
 
2010-12-08 03:19:45 PM  
There really isn't any grey area in this at all. He clearly, and knowingly committed treason. People who claim otherwise are intentionally covering their ears and eyes to the facts.

He disseminated a vast quantity of secret military reports, many of which weren't remarkable aside from their power as a deterrence for further informants. If he had only released the video/reports of the cameramen getting apache'd, then ok, good for him, he showed the world a cover-up and justice has an opportunity to be had, but instead (just like assange) he released innumerable other documents that didn't imply any wrongdoings, and only served to endanger and dissuade informants to the military.

If you want to wave someone's face on a flag around as a hero for uncovering US military wrongdoing, you picked the wrong person.
 
2010-12-08 03:20:02 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: HEY LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE LEAKS AND TALK ABOUT THIS BULLshiat INSTEAD

PFC MANNING IS A GAY TRAITOR AND I HEAR HE OWNS A JAPANESE CAR TOO


I HEARD HE ENJOYS THE COMPANY OF THAI LADYBOYS.
 
2010-12-08 03:20:11 PM  
you guys are insane if you think this stuff hasn't happened since our country was born, our government has to do things that we find wrong, but they have to be done.. this PFC and Assange should both already have disappeared, they are traitors to our country.
 
2010-12-08 03:20:59 PM  

asciibaron: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.


so it will be a double - this guy and Cheney, awesome. leak names of operatives during war - that is treason.


Will they waterboard him first for authorizing torture or would that be going too far
 
2010-12-08 03:21:10 PM  

seadoo2006: Cat Food Sandwiches: seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!

Those dead soldiers coming home from Afghanistan might disagree with you. As well as the ones who are still alive.

Really, when did Congress pass a declaration of war? Show me ... I'll be waiting. Or did you mean that this unofficial "police action" in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, in that case, let's farking end the war we've already been in for the last 60 years on the Korean Peninsula.

/Fark head ...


We didn't declare war on VietNam either. Are you saying that wasn't a war?
 
2010-12-08 03:21:35 PM  

oneodd1: logruszed: oneodd1: yeah, celebrate someone who has yet to be convicted of committing treason but most likely did and endorse breaking those laws. Way to go Berkeley you communist asses.

You mean like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin? They were traitors to the legal authority of their day, you know.

That's the exact same thing. I'm sure Army Pfc Bradley Manning is upset over high taxes and no representation. Additionally I'm sure I've read somewhere that he plans on seceding from the Union due to these policies. I have zero problems with resisting government by peaceful demonstration on the like but when you put peoples lives on the line you should think at least twice. On the other hand that's a good straw man. Keep it up.


you're conflating two arguments. I'm responding to the "he broke the law" argument, not the "liberty questing patriot" argument; however, if the law is un-patriotic in this case the kidnapping and torture of foreign persons on no evidence and failure to exonerate them when it becomes clear they are indeed innocent, knowingly funding terrorist activities against national interest, hiding the illegal activities of your civilian contractors, colluding to maintain the secrecy of evidence that could lead to criminal investigation of the U.S. justice dept and our FSB among others, covering up the murders of reporters, paying for child slavery to secure alliances are all against the spirit of our nation as established by the founders and many are explicitly against our laws, exposing this information is exactly patriotic.

The idea that these leaks which expose our own murder and collusion to murder innocents are unpatriotic because they might endanger innocent people is tail chasing at its worst since the names of specific persons have been redacted from the leaks. The only details on people are on people not on the ground and of victims.
 
2010-12-08 03:21:50 PM  

Icetech3: you guys are insane if you think this stuff hasn't happened since our country was born, our government has to do things that we find wrong, but they have to be done.. this PFC and Assange should both already have disappeared, they are traitors to our country.


Ummm, Assange isn't even of this country, he could not possibly be a traitor. You know, it requires some odd thing called citizenship.

But hey, keep typing, I'm enjoying the comedy
 
2010-12-08 03:21:52 PM  
The people defending this individual are delusional. He did not release hundreds of thousands of communiques out of some noble desire to humble the United States government. He did it because he is a petty, bitter man who is upset over his perceived repression at the hands of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

He isn't a martyr. He's a scumbag who deserves whatever punishment he is awarded.
 
2010-12-08 03:22:12 PM  
So ummm like people have been talking about how people have died because these documents were leaked, how true is that? Like are there any confirmed deaths of US friendlies in Afghanistan or Iraq because of this whole wikileaks fiasco?
 
2010-12-08 03:22:38 PM  

katghoti: the_falling_duck: katghoti: Yea, let's celebrate someone who took it upon themselves to endanger the lives of people because he knowingly broke the law! Yea, law breakers, next we'll celebrate Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, hell even Iran and Kim Jong Il and finally the 9/11 attackers. They all did "what is right" as well.

shiat why doesn't Time put him as man of the year as well.

You know who else was Time's Man of the year?

/asswipes!

/You know who else broke the law...?

You know who else was a patriot and didn't endanger the lives of his spies and confidants?

What this jackwipe did was the same as Nathan Hale, not Washington.

Swing and a miss!


Many names were redacted.

And Washington et al where traitors to the empire who killed their fellow British citizens.

And are you sure you want to compare him to Nathan Hale? (new window)
 
2010-12-08 03:22:59 PM  

dittybopper: Remind me about how North Vietnam directly attacked us, causing more casualties than the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor? 'Cause, man, I missed that one.


What does that have anything to do with it? We were not attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter.

Bin laden was betting on sheep like you rallying around the flag and marching off to be killed and have you fortunes spent for nothing of value in return. Bin laden got what he wanted.
 
2010-12-08 03:23:37 PM  
God damnit Berkeley! I'm a bleeding heart liberal for the most part, and even I think this guy is a jackass who deserves at least a few years in prison. He didn't leak anything that the world needed to know, no stories of corruption, no proof of unethical conduct, just a lot of gossip that damages the credibility of our diplomatic corps, and includes the names of people in sensetive situations. Fark this guy.
 
2010-12-08 03:24:14 PM  

Knarf: So ummm like people have been talking about how people have died because these documents were leaked, how true is that? Like are there any confirmed deaths of US friendlies in Afghanistan or Iraq because of this whole wikileaks fiasco?


No, not a single one. Wikileaks and Der Peigel, NY Times LeMonde have all very carefully been redacting documents to protect individuals.

But of course, the Fox News crowd would never be convinced of this, regardless of the statements from SecDef Gates.
 
2010-12-08 03:25:32 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: seadoo2006: Cat Food Sandwiches: seadoo2006: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I'll be happy when his treasonous ass is executed for leaking military secrets during a time of war.

/f*ckwads like him give all of us SigInt weenies a bad name

WE ARE NOT AT WAR, MOTHERFARKER!

Those dead soldiers coming home from Afghanistan might disagree with you. As well as the ones who are still alive.

Really, when did Congress pass a declaration of war? Show me ... I'll be waiting. Or did you mean that this unofficial "police action" in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, in that case, let's farking end the war we've already been in for the last 60 years on the Korean Peninsula.

/Fark head ...

We didn't declare war on VietNam either. Are you saying that wasn't a war?


Nope, it damn well wasn't ... it was the gross slaughtering of tens of thousands of Americans in the guise of fighting Communism. It was the sad and farked up consequence of the irrational "domino" effect fear of Communist nations, as if Communism on it's own was such a threat to our way of life.

Red Scare, McCarthyism, Blacklists ... that was a pretty farked up time and was brought to a froth by people who had nothing better to do than send other people's sons to wage battle on the invisible boogey man ...
 
2010-12-08 03:25:41 PM  

DirkTheDaring: Sexy Republican Girl: HEY LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE LEAKS AND TALK ABOUT THIS BULLshiat INSTEAD

PFC MANNING IS A GAY TRAITOR AND I HEAR HE OWNS A JAPANESE CAR TOO

I HEARD HE ENJOYS THE COMPANY OF THAI LADYBOYS.


I HEARD HE RAPED AND KILLED A GIRL IN 1990.
 
2010-12-08 03:26:26 PM  

Crosshair: Bin laden was betting on sheep like you rallying around the flag and marching off to be killed and have you fortunes spent for nothing of value in return. Bin laden got what he wanted.


I'm with you. What does a man in Nebraska care if the godless heathens in New York get murdered? I certainly don't.
 
2010-12-08 03:26:55 PM  
asciibaron:

4.bp.blogspot.com

giving the means and knowledge of stealing very high level classified information is not even in the same league as this

/ FTFY
// so much butthurt over a soon-to-be convicted felon
 
2010-12-08 03:27:03 PM  
I hate to say it, but thing like this make Berkeley a caricature of itself. It's really sad because the university so much more than a bunch of hippies. The business school is great, as are the science and engineering departments. Even the poli sci department is really good, if you can handle the liberal bias. Unfortunately, it only takes a handful of senseless hippies to make us all look bad.
 
2010-12-08 03:27:37 PM  
vernonFL: The situation is such now that they really don't have any other choice than to make an example of him. Bad news all around. I can't help but note how cavalier the people cheering for more of this are actually being about the lives and fates of real people.
 
2010-12-08 03:28:16 PM  

X-boxershorts: Knarf: So ummm like people have been talking about how people have died because these documents were leaked, how true is that? Like are there any confirmed deaths of US friendlies in Afghanistan or Iraq because of this whole wikileaks fiasco?

No, not a single one. Wikileaks and Der Peigel, NY Times LeMonde have all very carefully been redacting documents to protect individuals.

But of course, the Fox News crowd would never be convinced of this, regardless of the statements from SecDef Gates.


"After the leak in July of more than 70,000 Afghanistan War documents, the website was heavily criticized by the U.S. government, the military and human rights groups for failing to redact names of civilians in the documents, putting them at risk of retaliation by the Taliban" (new window)

They tried redacting the Iraq release less so on the Afghanistan one. If any informants were hurt or killed as a result it would be classified of course. The most likely thing is once it was release we relocated the named informants since they were useless at that point.
 
2010-12-08 03:28:24 PM  

logruszed: This argument is like trying to silence someone from telling your spouse about your adultery "You might ruin my marriage!".


Excellent example.

Seems lots of farkers have no idea what actual treason is.
 
2010-12-08 03:28:35 PM  
improper use of the hero tag
 
2010-12-08 03:29:48 PM  

All_Farked_Up: X-boxershorts: All_Farked_Up: Heysomefarkingpenguinatemysammich!: Lacerated Spleen: Maybe he needs to be honored with a firing squad.

So telling the truth is something he deserves to be shot for? No I don't agree with how he did it and yes he did break the law but he does not need to be farking killed.

He Put Lives In Danger

How hard is that to understand?

Except he didn't.

The papers named undercover agents. They also listed which military bases were most essential to the war effort. What part if 'in danger' do you not understand?


Sounds like it was the US Govt that put those people in danger.
 
2010-12-08 03:29:53 PM  

Oerath: God damnit Berkeley! I'm a bleeding heart liberal for the most part, and even I think this guy is a jackass who deserves at least a few years in prison. He didn't leak anything that the world needed to know, no stories of corruption, no proof of unethical conduct, just a lot of gossip that damages the credibility of our diplomatic corps, and includes the names of people in sensetive situations. Fark this guy.


Our classified top secret military documents are only on the level of gossip? Then what's the problem?
 
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