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(Detroit Free Press)   Court ruling: Stop trying to make Detroit schools successful   (freep.com) divider line 78
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2010-12-06 04:07:14 PM  
That sucks. From everything I know (which is limited, but I do have a lot of friends in Detroit) he was using a similar model to what is now working pretty well in post-Katrina New Orleans.
 
2010-12-06 04:19:00 PM  
Rowan Atkinson would love to say that guys name.
 
2010-12-06 04:19:28 PM  
just so long as the union is protected, right guys?
 
2010-12-06 04:41:44 PM  
downstairs: That sucks. From everything I know (which is limited, but I do have a lot of friends in Detroit) he was using a similar model to what is now working pretty well in post-Katrina New Orleans.

I can see why the school board was scared. OPSB oversees, what, a dozen or so schools now as opposed to hundreds?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-12-06 05:49:52 PM  
I read the decision and it's not obviously wrong. If the job of the emergency financial manager is to make the schools financially viable, he can do that without overruling the school board's prerogative to give kids a crappy education within the financial constraints he sets.

There is a claim that federal aid depends on performance, but that's the kind of stretch that allows Congress to claim absolute power under the guise of regulating interstate commerce. I can't fault the judge for rejecting it.
 
2010-12-06 06:06:25 PM  
Nabb1: downstairs: That sucks. From everything I know (which is limited, but I do have a lot of friends in Detroit) he was using a similar model to what is now working pretty well in post-Katrina New Orleans.

I can see why the school board was scared. OPSB oversees, what, a dozen or so schools now as opposed to hundreds?


Yep, and charter schools are the big thing down here- even in poorer communities (I assume subsidies are in play). I don't have kids, so I'm not 100% aware of everything that goes on in the new New Orleans school universe- but by all accounts its as good of an improvement as possible.

Katrina was the best thing to happen to the school system down here... and I'm by far not the first person to say that.
 
2010-12-06 06:42:46 PM  
Look, if kids get a good education, they will just move away from Detroit.
 
2010-12-06 07:06:01 PM  
So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.
 
2010-12-06 07:08:55 PM  
On the one hand, it was the wrong decision. Someone came in and started cleaning up the mess in the system and was seeing results. He should clearly be encouraged and supported so that his good decisions and policies are pushed through to each school in the city.

But on the other hand, he was clearly overstepping his authority. Processes and structures are in place to assure that ideas can be carefully considered before implementation. He tried to undermine that system. We can't have that kind of anarchy in Detroit.
 
2010-12-06 07:09:06 PM  
Really? His name is Bob Bobb? Man, I thought MY parents were unoriginal!
 
2010-12-06 07:12:48 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Youtube a city council meeting to understand why. It's a rathole.
 
2010-12-06 07:13:05 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Do you like Mudkips? You sound like you do.
 
2010-12-06 07:13:05 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Oh, the irony.
 
2010-12-06 07:13:32 PM  
Scrap the city and use the material to make something somebody wants.

If customers want something that smells like a mildewed '68 Cadillac and pee, that is.
 
2010-12-06 07:14:24 PM  
its cause all the dumb poor kids left when detroit went all fallout 3
 
2010-12-06 07:15:43 PM  
On a serious note, why does every Michigan thread we ever have around here get all stormfronty within a dozen posts?
 
2010-12-06 07:16:33 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Youtube a city council meeting to understand why. It's a rathole.


Is that fat biatch that wears a tiara still on the council?
 
2010-12-06 07:17:37 PM  
If only Robert Bobb was represented by Bob Loblaw, things would have been totally different
 
2010-12-06 07:18:01 PM  
Algebrat: On a serious note, why does every Michigan thread we ever have around here get all stormfronty within a dozen posts?

got me...but the fallout 3 comment was pretty rocking!
 
2010-12-06 07:18:48 PM  
msieker: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Oh, the irony.


No, he was correct. It's is short for, 'IT IS.' Its implies that 'IT' owns something.
 
2010-12-06 07:19:05 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Youtube a city council meeting to understand why. It's a rathole.

Almost all of those council memebers have been replaced. Also, Robert Bobb should be running the whole damn city. Dude makes shiat happen.
 
2010-12-06 07:19:58 PM  
beoweasel: msieker: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Oh, the irony.

No, he was correct. It's is short for, 'IT IS.' Its implies that 'IT' owns something.


See, I misread that, I thought you were correcting him. Oh, reading comprehension fail. D:
 
2010-12-06 07:20:13 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Protip: before writing a rant about how stupid a particular ethnic group is, make sure you're not in danger of being bobbed yourself.

ncowie.files.wordpress.com

For the record, I'm not saying black peoople aren't stupid, I'm just saying you're stupid, too.
 
2010-12-06 07:21:45 PM  
bukketmaster: peoople

And myself as well.
 
2010-12-06 07:24:22 PM  
Fatslave This FARK buddy,you will NOT point to the elephant standing in the room.

/bell curve for the win
 
2010-12-06 07:25:14 PM  
PC. Short for Parasitic Culture.
 
2010-12-06 07:25:32 PM  
COURT RULING: THE BOOKKEEPER DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

fify
 
2010-12-06 07:25:57 PM  
Flacman: its cause all the dumb poor kids left when detroit went all fallout 3

no no no it is in Mad Max times
 
2010-12-06 07:26:40 PM  
festoon: COURT RULING: THE BOOKKEEPER DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

fify


What does your post have to do with black people? Quit threadjacking.
 
2010-12-06 07:27:12 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.
New Orleans is improving by leaps and bounds.

And we all know how white-bread New Orleans is, right?
 
2010-12-06 07:31:04 PM  
Bobb said in a statement: "Ironically, Judge Baxter's ruling comes a year almost to the date after the announcement that Detroit's schoolchildren ranked lowest in history on a national mathtest. "Judge Baxter's ruling is a step backward and endorses the past academic policies which, along with the financial practices and the overall direction of the school district, were a total failure. "There's nothing in the Board's academic plan that sets measurable goals for the district ... The ruling fails to address the basic question of how to separate the academics from the financials."

Given Bobb's usage of the word ironically as well as the article writer's usage of quotation marks, this reads more as justification why Detroit schools need serious improvement and Bobb isn't the right guy to do it.
 
2010-12-06 07:35:09 PM  
Detroit is getting better by the day. For example, kids on their way to school only found one burning body in the street today.

Link (new window)
 
2010-12-06 07:37:08 PM  
Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

I know I'm not the first, but jezus
images1.memegenerator.net
 
2010-12-06 07:41:01 PM  
jagec: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.
New Orleans is improving by leaps and bounds.

And we all know how white-bread New Orleans is, right?


When we don't assume that kids are doomed to failure, they have a chance.
When we expect high performance, reward high performance, AND ensure that there are consequences for low performance, kids have a chance.
When we demand parental involvement, kids have a chance.
When we refuse to EVER allow misbehavior to interfere with teaching and learning, kids have a chance.
When we firmly grasp every child who threatens a teacher, or who belittles a classmate for learning, and we throw them right out on their ass, kids have a chance.

Do that, and Detroit kids who WANT to learn will have a good chance, and be safe in their schools. Race does not matter unless we let it matter.
 
2010-12-06 07:41:16 PM  
beoweasel: beoweasel: msieker: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Oh, the irony.

No, he was correct. It's is short for, 'IT IS.' Its implies that 'IT' owns something.

See, I misread that, I thought you were correcting him. Oh, reading comprehension fail. D:


I actually think you were wrong twice. Somehow. First for thinking Fatslave didn't make a mistake, then for thinking msieker did. It's kinda funny, Rotsky.
 
2010-12-06 07:42:17 PM  
bukketmaster: Fatslave: So long as Detroit is filled with blacks it's schools will never be successful.

Protip: before writing a rant about how stupid a particular ethnic group is, make sure you're not in danger of being bobbed yourself.



For the record, I'm not saying black peoople aren't stupid, I'm just saying you're stupid, too.


Maybe he's speaking from experience; perhaps he is a young black child living in Detroit. Did anyone stop to think about that?

/Could also be a woman
//Probably a white dude
 
2010-12-06 07:45:22 PM  
jagec: And we all know how white-bread New Orleans is, right?

I am not giving any credit to his racist claims but you can't really counter them with NO by comparing pre and post Katrina.

A lot more of the black people that left didn't come back, and they tended to be the poorest (hence worse grades).
 
2010-12-06 07:50:55 PM  
festoon: COURT RULING: THE BOOKKEEPER DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

fify


and Robert Bobb's last boss WAS:
www.grassrootsmediaproject.org

/respect my authorit-AYYYY
 
2010-12-06 07:51:57 PM  
For decades now the chief qualification for serving on either the Detroit city council or its school board has been an overwhelming hatred for the city of Detroit. Being greedy and stupid are also considered pluses.
 
2010-12-06 07:53:51 PM  
Don't forget attractive.
 
2010-12-06 07:56:38 PM  
bangmaid: festoon: COURT RULING: THE BOOKKEEPER DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

fify

and Robert Bobb's last boss WAS:


/respect my authorit-AYYYY


That's some resume, she got shiat done. People didn't like the way she did it but Rhee got results and she got shiat done.
 
2010-12-06 08:06:17 PM  
Asplenium perhaps he is a young black child living in Detroit.

Obviously I'm not. I did use the wrong "its" but I can still read and write.
 
2010-12-06 08:06:38 PM  
Its Detroit, does anyone really care. What the hell you don't need an education there, the feds will continue with welfare and other entitlement programs. That place has been a cesspool forever. just the way it is
 
2010-12-06 08:06:57 PM  
As someone who lives just outside of Detroit and attended one of the best public school districts in the nation, I'd like to learn how to become more involved. Any ideas?
 
2010-12-06 08:20:03 PM  
Fatslave: Asplenium perhaps he is a young black child living in Detroit.

Obviously I'm not. I did use the wrong "its" but I can still read and write.


Right. Riiiiiight. That completely excuses your racism. Clearly, we are all misinformed.

/racist.
 
2010-12-06 08:29:25 PM  
Glass Parking Lot
 
2010-12-06 08:33:47 PM  
They should just convert all these schools to athletic studies only. Throwing balls through hoops, hitting balls with sticks, running and catching balls... Everyone would get an A! Problem solved!
 
2010-12-06 08:37:14 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy: Processes and structures are in place to assure that ideas can be carefully considered before implementation. He tried to undermine that system.

Great point...the careful consideration of processes and structures have long been the hallmark of the Detroit School Board.

(slaps forehead)
 
2010-12-06 08:37:42 PM  
They done did what now?

The Detroit Public School Board has done nothing in the past 30 years - and probably longer than that - but run the schools into the ground. You tell me if this sounds like a group of people who should be responsible for kids education:

It is REQUIRED by the school board that any text book to be approved MUST have what they called "positive ethnic role model images" in it. In other words - text books MUST have pictures of Black people in them and they MUST be doing something "positive". For instance, my math books all had pictures of culturally diverse children smiling and holding a math book. This was important to the school board.

My senior year in high school, I was taking an advanced computer programming class. The teacher wanted to use a book that was in use at major colleges across the country. However it had no pictures of Black people in it. In fact, being a book on introductory data structures, it had no pictures of people at all. The school board rejected the book and instead approved - without the teacher's feedback - this book that wasn't even for the same computer system or programming language we were learning! However it DID have these cute little pictures of light-blue people and dark-blue people smiling and writing 1s and 0s on the page, so that was good enough for the school board.

Oh, and in response to the teacher's other request for a Pascal compiler, the school board said that was too expensive. So instead they bought us a single copy of some Missile-Command type video game...that only ran on a Macintosh...for a classroom full of PCs.

That was 1989. Back then, only half of all students city wide failed to graduate from high school, as opposed to now when it's closer to 75-80%.
 
2010-12-06 08:44:01 PM  
scott-ty: Its Detroit, does anyone really care. What the hell you don't need an education there, the feds will continue with welfare and other entitlement programs. That place has been a cesspool forever. just the way it is

That's the worst part. It hasn't been a cesspool forever. It was an amazing city once. Granted, now it's a cesspool

/used "it's" correctly
//Suck it, grammarians
/lived in A2
 
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