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2010-12-06 10:06:49 AM
Yes, and if your stupidity affects my credit in any way, I'll sue for all you're worth.
 
2010-12-06 10:11:17 AM
lenfromak: Yes, and if your stupidity affects my credit in any way, I'll sue for all you're worth.

Glad you have the time and money and tolerance for all the effort to spend doing that.
Most people don't.
 
2010-12-06 10:12:07 AM
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2010-12-06 10:13:26 AM
He said he was a process server with ASAP Legal Services and then just took off.

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2010-12-06 10:14:30 AM
Regardless of how the firm is backpedaling to avoid being sanctioned, they're still blaming the victim here....

"Unfortunately, it appears that Ms. Hammers improperly recorded the quit claim deed in 1994," Floyd said."

Later on, it says that she got the deed's book and page wrong on the settlement documents. Isn't that the settlement/title/closing agent's job to double check that? At a closing, the seller is just handing things over.
 
2010-12-06 10:18:35 AM
Some brilliant attorney work there Lou...
 
2010-12-06 10:19:28 AM
I want this to be some realtor's fault.
 
2010-12-06 10:21:27 AM
kokomo61: Regardless of how the firm is backpedaling to avoid being sanctioned, they're still blaming the victim here....

"Unfortunately, it appears that Ms. Hammers improperly recorded the quit claim deed in 1994," Floyd said."

Later on, it says that she got the deed's book and page wrong on the settlement documents. Isn't that the settlement/title/closing agent's job to double check that? At a closing, the seller is just handing things over.


I noticed that. I also noticed that they got the right guys name on the foreclosure too. You would think that if your records showed person A owning the house in the 90's, and still owning it, while person B bought the house a few years ago would make you want to take a closer look.
 
2010-12-06 10:22:02 AM
From the article:
"When I talked to Marshall Watson, Sonya in their litigation department, and asked why I was being served foreclosure papers on a mortgage I did not sign, on a property I haven't lived in for almost 20 years, she got snippety with me and asked if I had an attorney. Why would I need an attorney when they've made the mistake?" Hammers said.

Because you always lawyer up. Never talk to any company about legal matters, before talking to your lawyer. No, you as an individual will not be treated nicely, because they don't give a shiat. You're lawyer on the other hand will be treated professionally and courteously, because they can make the offending firms life hell.
 
2010-12-06 10:22:39 AM
FTA:

Thomas Genung, trial court administrator with the 19th Judicial Circuit, said he had not heard of a situation like Hammers' ever occurring in his district.

"If this weren't really happening, it would be laughable," Genung said. "The law is the law, but there are rules against frivolous lawsuits."

Genung said if there had been no intervention in Hammers' situation, she would have needed representation at her court summons, even though the mix-up might have been no fault of her own.

"If it were my name in the foreclosure, it would be incumbent upon me to get the case dismissed," Genung said.


1)So much for innocent until proven guilty.

2)What a farking racket.
 
2010-12-06 10:26:41 AM
I once had a bank try to claim that the house I own hadn't been paid off by the previous owners and should therefore is theirs.

Problem was, that house was in a different city. Took me hours to figure out wtf was going on. Called up the lawyer for the plaintiff, explained the situation, asked for him to send me paperwork that canceled my need to show up at court in another city the next month.

Never got the paperwork. So, I called again a week later, and again politely asked for something n paper.

Still no paperwork. At that point, I called him again, and informed him I was done being polite. I'd wasted about 10 hours of my life on his mistake, and if he didn't get paperwork to me within 3 days I would retain a lawyer to countersue for court costs plus damages (having spent about 10 billable hours on it to date).

Oddly enough, had the paperwork in hand by the end of the day.
 
2010-12-06 10:26:55 AM
Begoggle: Glad you have the time and money and tolerance for all the effort to spend doing that.
Most people don't.


There are many attorney's who will do that kind of work on contingency. Sure your payout is much less but you get the satisfaction of suing them out of existence.
 
2010-12-06 10:29:06 AM
"Unfortunately, it appears that Ms. Hammers improperly recorded the quit claim deed in 1994," Floyd said.

No.

As someone who's dealing with massive errors made by the government after filing "paperwork" (it was online, and one portion completely disappeared as the phone-based representative said it was filed completely blank): No.

No.

As someone who has worked for a government entity (at the assessment office at county level where I was the data processor who had to deal with filing the paperwork the housewives whose children had fled the nest were always making mistakes while gossiping and poking their noses into my work to "make sure I was doing things right" [that last part stopped after I told the biatchiest one to mind her own work and then started making faces - not pointed at her, but rather at the paperwork on my desk - and she complained to the director who called me into his office... and then dismissed me and called her into his office]): No.
 
2010-12-06 10:32:11 AM
Actually, it's not quite as stupid as it seems. The current owner was under foreclosure. When you foreclose, you have to serve everyone who might have an interest in the property which includes people who have other liens and those who appear to have an ownership interest even if they weren't the borrower. Apparently, there was some glitch in the deed filing which made it appear that the woman still had some interest in the property.
 
2010-12-06 10:32:22 AM
SchlingFocker:

1)So much for innocent until proven guilty.
That concept is for criminal law. For civil law you are basically guilty till proven innocent

2)What a farking racket.

Yes, it fracking is.
 
2010-12-06 10:32:44 AM
expect to see a lot more of this as the robo signer mess gets more attention by the courts. there is a strong likely hood that the housing crisis is going to turn into the housing disaster. imagine a hold on home sales for 6 months (or more) while the titles get researched. yeah not just foreclosures but all titles. if the foreclosures are screwed up you can bet that many not in foreclosure are too.
 
2010-12-06 10:33:09 AM
Considering how retarded some of the people who handled my mortgages were, it wouldn't surprise me if something like that happened to me.

/Once had to explain APR to a bank loan officer
//And countless other things to real estate agents and brokers
 
2010-12-06 10:35:41 AM
kokomo61: Regardless of how the firm is backpedaling to avoid being sanctioned, they're still blaming the victim here....

"Unfortunately, it appears that Ms. Hammers improperly recorded the quit claim deed in 1994," Floyd said."

Later on, it says that she got the deed's book and page wrong on the settlement documents. Isn't that the settlement/title/closing agent's job to double check that? At a closing, the seller is just handing things over.


Makes one wonder about the title search thing, the property was sold twice after her and no one caught it?
 
2010-12-06 10:37:53 AM
"They apologized profusely and said they would prepare the documents for me to sign ... and that they were going to file a motion with the courts to remove my name from the foreclosure completely,"


If you're in this situation, don't sign a goddamned thing until you get a lawyer. These people have already farked you once. Through incompetence, it appears--so all their contrition means is that they're sorry. They don't magically stop being idiots because they said "oops".

Maybe they're sincerely sorry, maybe they really want to set things straight and do you right. They are idiots and will fark you again, given the chance.
 
2010-12-06 10:38:11 AM
Raging Thespian: .

More tools than anyone could ever use, is that a nut buster there in the back?
 
2010-12-06 10:38:59 AM
10,000 drowning lawyers = a good start
 
2010-12-06 10:39:33 AM
"About 10 p.m. the Saturday after Thanksgiving, Cathy Hammers abruptly was woken up by a continuous loud banging"


Oh yeah baby!
 
2010-12-06 10:39:50 AM
Legal issues aside, this lady's first mistake was telling the claims server who she was:

"He was ringing the door bell, banging real hard on the door ... the dogs were going crazy," Hammer said. "When I asked him who he was. He asked me if I was Cathy and told me I was being served foreclosure papers. He said he was a process server with ASAP Legal Services and then just took off."

If somebody shows up like that on your front door step on a major family holiday demanding to know who you are, you get a name and ID first or you set the dogs on them. Even the police have to properly identify themselves on your property. Why on Earth would you give them your name like that? Nothing good will *ever* come of it. Nothing.
 
2010-12-06 10:40:22 AM
Isn't that what the to two purchasers past her paid title insurance for prior to purchase? To make sure that kind of situation did not exist?
 
2010-12-06 10:40:54 AM
Slaves2Darkness: Because you always lawyer up. Never talk to any company about legal matters, before talking to your lawyer.

That is so true. Our son is special needs (Asperger syndrome) and his public school had proposed taking away some of his services. At a meeting, where we were arguing for a new IEP to see exactly what he still needed, they were giving us a bit of a hard time and handed us a booklet that had the statutes we could look at to see what the school was required to do and not required to do, mentioning that the language is quite dense.

My wife took the book and said something like, "No problem. As attorneys we read materials like this on a regular basis." She didn't mean it as a threat, just noting that the dense legal language wouldn't bother us. Suddenly the room got quiet and someone asked "You're attorneys?" Let me tell you, the attitude in the room changed completely.

While we kind of laughed about it, it made us realize that children who had parents without an attorney were probably going to get screwed.
 
2010-12-06 10:41:14 AM
My CSB about mortgages, I took a home improvement loan out with a local bank about 10 years ago and was told 3 months after that the loan was sold to a broker when that bank merged with a mega bank, that was when my fun began they would lose payments I made, the check would clear immediately but it would not be credited for 20 or more days usually appearing a day or so after the cut off so they could tack on penalties, my lawyer hauled em into court twice and got orders for them to correct their books but it just kept on till I went to a local credit union that did in house mortgages and did a refi with them, 3 months later I get a foreclosure notice saying I was 90 days late on payments this time the credit union stepped in saying we paid off that loan here is the paperwork signed by you acknowledging this, if you do this again we will pull the wrath of the state and federal regulators down on you. Understand? That was the last of them I thought until 4 months ago when they showed up again saying I owed them late fees from a decade ago, the same late fees the judge had quashed, my trusty lawyer is currently waiting on our day in court to shred them again, but due to the backlog it will be months yet
 
2010-12-06 10:42:40 AM
Don't you pay fees and insurance and witholdings and taxes and verification offsets and assessments and about 4000 other ways to say "Give us some of your money" when you sell a property? I know I did - when something like this hits the fan you should be legally allowed to show/email/fax the signed closing documents and say "NOT MY FARKING PROBLEM" and that's the end of it.

Having to pay a lawyer to cover your rear when you already payed out the ass any number of ways at the time of sale is just absurd.
 
2010-12-06 10:43:58 AM
kokomo61:
Later on, it says that she got the deed's book and page wrong on the settlement documents. Isn't that the settlement/title/closing agent's job to double check that? At a closing, the seller is just handing things over.

The average person lives in a financial and legal minefield of deliberately obfuscatory, exploitative legal machinations, designed by corporations to absolve them of any blame for their errors, while ensuring financial benefit from yours.

Misunderstand a cell phone contract? Pay $600. File the wrong document? Lose your house. And the only way to protect yourself is to pour hundreds or thousands of $ into legal representation. There are so many ways for Joe Sixpack to screw up and lose money, it's become an industry unto itself.
 
2010-12-06 10:49:24 AM
It's a friggin shame that she should now have to retain an attorney to fix someone else's fark up. That's how the lawyer thing works, they create work for each other. It's the old story, one lawyer in a town will starve to death, two lawyers in town, both will get rich.
That's why everything they write is confusing, so you have to retain another lawyer. Simple language that anyone could understand would put them out of business.
 
2010-12-06 10:58:23 AM
whistleridge: Legal issues aside, this lady's first mistake was telling the claims server who she was:

"He was ringing the door bell, banging real hard on the door ... the dogs were going crazy," Hammer said. "When I asked him who he was. He asked me if I was Cathy and told me I was being served foreclosure papers. He said he was a process server with ASAP Legal Services and then just took off."

If somebody shows up like that on your front door step on a major family holiday demanding to know who you are, you get a name and ID first or you set the dogs on them. Even the police have to properly identify themselves on your property. Why on Earth would you give them your name like that? Nothing good will *ever* come of it. Nothing.


You'll get a process server's name but like hell any with half a brain is going to give you more information than their first name, the company they work for, and what they're serving. Showing somebody your ID is just asking for someone to come to where you live and get revenge for serving them papers that could very well be interpreted as the ruination of their lives.

And if I'm the process server in question and you sic your dogs on me? Congratulations, you just volunteered your furry friends for target practice. And you'll be mourning them in prison. Assaulting a process server is a felony in most states, nationwide if they're serving federal subpoenas.
 
2010-12-06 10:58:25 AM
cig-mkr: That's why everything they write is confusing, so you have to retain another lawyer. Simple language that anyone could understand would put them out of business be ambiguous and subject to errors and technicalities the boilerplate is included to circumvent, causing no end of further legal wrangling.

FTFY

/ not a lawyer, but I see what they're doing there
 
2010-12-06 10:59:58 AM
Gothnet: "About 10 p.m. the Saturday after Thanksgiving, Cathy Hammers abruptly was woken up by a continuous loud banging"


Oh yeah baby!


1.At that time of night always open the door with your Ruger/Glock 9mm
2.Watch him shait his pants
3.Claim taht there has been home invasions around here lately
4.Make him wait until the cops show up
5.Watch him shuck and jive to the cops
6.Relax and enjoy the show!
 
2010-12-06 11:03:56 AM
Pribar [TotalFark] Quote 2010-12-06 10:41:14 AM
My CSB about mortgages, I took a home improvement loan out with a local bank about 10 years ago and was told 3 months after that the loan was sold to a broker when that bank merged with a mega bank, that was when my fun began they would lose payments I made, the check would clear immediately but it would not be credited for 20 or more days usually appearing a day or so after the cut off so they could tack on penalties, my lawyer hauled em into court twice and got orders for them to correct their books but it just kept on till I went to a local credit union that did in house mortgages and did a refi with them, 3 months later I get a foreclosure notice saying I was 90 days late on payments this time the credit union stepped in saying we paid off that loan here is the paperwork signed by you acknowledging this, if you do this again we will pull the wrath of the state and federal regulators down on you. Understand? That was the last of them I thought until 4 months ago when they showed up again saying I owed them late fees from a decade ago, the same late fees the judge had quashed, my trusty lawyer is currently waiting on our day in court to shred them again, but due to the backlog it will be months yet

I'm sorry for your lots.
 
2010-12-06 11:04:10 AM
cig-mkr: Gothnet: "About 10 p.m. the Saturday after Thanksgiving, Cathy Hammers abruptly was woken up by a continuous loud banging"


Oh yeah baby!

1.At that time of night always open the door with your Ruger/Glock 9mm
2.Watch him shait his pants
3.Claim taht there has been home invasions around here lately
4.Make him wait until the cops show up
5.Get arrested for assaulting a process server
6.Spend a few years in prison.


Or, if its someone with training, get your gun taken from you, and promptly get shot with your own weapon.
 
2010-12-06 11:08:58 AM
If they allowed a buyer to assume the loan, such as a Vet loan, they are still responsible. Not saying this is the case, but sellers need to know this when they resort to these tactics in order to dump a house.
 
2010-12-06 11:12:03 AM
Being made a party to the suit was merely giving her an opportunity to be informed of the foreclosure and step forward to assert any right she may have in the property. You complain about sloppy foreclosure proceedings? This is the bank dotting its i's and crossing its t's. It's not their fault her deed didn't show up on the O and E report.
 
2010-12-06 11:13:20 AM
iq_in_binary: And if I'm the process server in question and you sic your dogs on me? Congratulations, you just volunteered your furry friends for target practice.

Or, if its someone with training, get your gun taken from you, and promptly get shot with your own weapon.


I can see your subscription to ITG is paid up. I'm sure they thank you for your business.
 
2010-12-06 11:19:09 AM
Transkaren: I once had a bank try to claim that the house I own hadn't been paid off by the previous owners and should therefore is theirs.

Problem was, that house was in a different city. Took me hours to figure out wtf was going on. Called up the lawyer for the plaintiff, explained the situation, asked for him to send me paperwork that canceled my need to show up at court in another city the next month.

Never got the paperwork. So, I called again a week later, and again politely asked for something n paper.

Still no paperwork. At that point, I called him again, and informed him I was done being polite. I'd wasted about 10 hours of my life on his mistake, and if he didn't get paperwork to me within 3 days I would retain a lawyer to countersue for court costs plus damages (having spent about 10 billable hours on it to date).

Oddly enough, had the paperwork in hand by the end of the day.


Isn't it funny how things suddenly speed up when you mention the word "lawyer?"
 
2010-12-06 11:21:25 AM
iq_in_binary: whistleridge: Legal issues aside, this lady's first mistake was telling the claims server who she was:

"He was ringing the door bell, banging real hard on the door ... the dogs were going crazy," Hammer said. "When I asked him who he was. He asked me if I was Cathy and told me I was being served foreclosure papers. He said he was a process server with ASAP Legal Services and then just took off."

If somebody shows up like that on your front door step on a major family holiday demanding to know who you are, you get a name and ID first or you set the dogs on them. Even the police have to properly identify themselves on your property. Why on Earth would you give them your name like that? Nothing good will *ever* come of it. Nothing.

You'll get a process server's name but like hell any with half a brain is going to give you more information than their first name, the company they work for, and what they're serving. Showing somebody your ID is just asking for someone to come to where you live and get revenge for serving them papers that could very well be interpreted as the ruination of their lives.

And if I'm the process server in question and you sic your dogs on me? Congratulations, you just volunteered your furry friends for target practice. And you'll be mourning them in prison. Assaulting a process server is a felony in most states, nationwide if they're serving federal subpoenas.


1. If you're banging my door in on Thanksgiving and you don't tell me who you are - especially if you don't know who I am already -I've got every right to see you off my property.

2. If you don't give me your name and some sort of company ID when asked, you aren't getting a thing out of me, good day sir.

3. Sic the dogs is a metaphor. On a good day, my dog might come drool and shed on you. Most days, she can't be bothered to get up from her spot in front of the fireplace.

4. I know process servers, like debt collectors, have a sometimes thankless but truly necessary job. That being said, she had homecourt advantage and should have used it.
 
2010-12-06 11:23:56 AM
lexnaturalis Quote 2010-12-06 11:13:20 AM
iq_in_binary: And if I'm the process server in question and you sic your dogs on me? Congratulations, you just volunteered your furry friends for target practice.

Or, if its someone with training, get your gun taken from you, and promptly get shot with your own weapon.

I can see your subscription to ITG is paid up. I'm sure they thank you for your business.


My landhousematelord was a gunner in psyops with a small collection of various guns in his room including his pistols for which he has CWPs and an automatic pistol-grip 5+1 round shotgun and our other housemate is a black belt in Taekwondo, while I mess with people on the street who are farking with others on a regular basis but have never gotten beaten up over it (MOST people are just talking tough and won't even start a fight, and the rest of the people I've encountered that act like dicks so much that I have to step up and defend the people they are bullying don't know shiat about fighting).

There really are people like this out there.

It's just that, yeah, most people that talk tough are full of bullshiat.
 
2010-12-06 11:26:18 AM
Slaves2Darkness:
Because you always lawyer up. Never talk to any company about legal matters, before talking to your lawyer. No, you as an individual will not be treated nicely, because they don't give a shiat. You're lawyer on the other hand will be treated professionally and courteously, because they can make the offending firms life hell.


I'm curious how much you pay "your lawyer" every year, since apparently you keep him or her on retainer for things as simple as disputing a text messaging charge on your phone bill.
 
2010-12-06 11:30:39 AM
This thread reads like the conversation at Rainman's family reunion.

/how is filing a document that incorrect not demonstrate reckless civil liability?
 
2010-12-06 11:47:32 AM
ASAP must mean something completely different in Florida.
 
2010-12-06 11:49:55 AM
jagec: Slaves2Darkness:
Because you always lawyer up. Never talk to any company about legal matters, before talking to your lawyer. No, you as an individual will not be treated nicely, because they don't give a shiat. You're lawyer on the other hand will be treated professionally and courteously, because they can make the offending firms life hell.

I'm curious how much you pay "your lawyer" every year, since apparently you keep him or her on retainer for things as simple as disputing a text messaging charge on your phone bill.


Dunno about you but my employer as part of the benefit package you can have a legal service, much like dental or vision insurance.

Been enrolled for months, just waiting for somebody to give me a reason to get all litigious on their arses.
 
2010-12-06 11:58:23 AM
Pribar: My CSB about mortgages, I took a home improvement loan out with a local bank about 10 years ago and was told 3 months after that the loan was sold to a broker when that bank merged with a mega bank, that was when my fun began they would lose payments I made, the check would clear immediately but it would not be credited for 20 or more days usually appearing a day or so after the cut off so they could tack on penalties, my lawyer hauled em into court twice and got orders for them to correct their books but it just kept on till I went to a local credit union that did in house mortgages and did a refi with them, 3 months later I get a foreclosure notice saying I was 90 days late on payments this time the credit union stepped in saying we paid off that loan here is the paperwork signed by you acknowledging this, if you do this again we will pull the wrath of the state and federal regulators down on you. Understand? That was the last of them I thought until 4 months ago when they showed up again saying I owed them late fees from a decade ago, the same late fees the judge had quashed, my trusty lawyer is currently waiting on our day in court to shred them again, but due to the backlog it will be months yet

............................................................................... . ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ........
You seem to have lost your periods.

Please feel free to use these for your current and future full stop needs.
 
2010-12-06 12:00:43 PM
LOTN: cig-mkr: That's why everything they write is confusing, so you have to retain another lawyer. Simple language that anyone could understand would put them out of business be ambiguous and subject to errors and technicalities the boilerplate is included to circumvent, causing no end of further legal wrangling.

FTFY

/ not a lawyer, but I see what they're doing there


yea, what you said too!
 
2010-12-06 12:08:47 PM
thelordofcheese: lexnaturalis Quote 2010-12-06 11:13:20 AM
iq_in_binary: And if I'm the process server in question and you sic your dogs on me? Congratulations, you just volunteered your furry friends for target practice.

Or, if its someone with training, get your gun taken from you, and promptly get shot with your own weapon.

I can see your subscription to ITG is paid up. I'm sure they thank you for your business.

My landhousematelord was a gunner in psyops with a small collection of various guns in his room including his pistols for which he has CWPs and an automatic pistol-grip 5+1 round shotgun and our other housemate is a black belt in Taekwondo, while I mess with people on the street who are farking with others on a regular basis but have never gotten beaten up over it (MOST people are just talking tough and won't even start a fight, and the rest of the people I've encountered that act like dicks so much that I have to step up and defend the people they are bullying don't know shiat about fighting).

There really are people like this out there.

It's just that, yeah, most people that talk tough are full of bullshiat.


You sound like both an idiot and a pathetic sissy.

Haven't people realized yet that if when they talk like this, they prove the opposite of what they intended?

Badasses do not make that kind of pathetic display.
 
2010-12-06 12:08:58 PM
balancing act: Pribar: My CSB about mortgages, I took a home improvement loan out with a local bank about 10 years ago and was told 3 months after that the loan was sold to a broker when that bank merged with a mega bank, that was when my fun began they would lose payments I made, the check would clear immediately but it would not be credited for 20 or more days usually appearing a day or so after the cut off so they could tack on penalties, my lawyer hauled em into court twice and got orders for them to correct their books but it just kept on till I went to a local credit union that did in house mortgages and did a refi with them, 3 months later I get a foreclosure notice saying I was 90 days late on payments this time the credit union stepped in saying we paid off that loan here is the paperwork signed by you acknowledging this, if you do this again we will pull the wrath of the state and federal regulators down on you. Understand? That was the last of them I thought until 4 months ago when they showed up again saying I owed them late fees from a decade ago, the same late fees the judge had quashed, my trusty lawyer is currently waiting on our day in court to shred them again, but due to the backlog it will be months yet

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You seem to have lost your periods.

Please feel free to use these for your current and future full stop needs.


This.
 
2010-12-06 12:12:32 PM
Begoggle: lenfromak: Yes, and if your stupidity affects my credit in any way, I'll sue for all you're worth.

Glad you have the time and money and tolerance for all the effort to spend doing that.
Most people don't.


Exactly.

In a fair world, the legal system wouldn't be extremely costly for both parties, but most people just can't waste time and resource on this kind of crap.

I'm really amused at the 'she messed up the release papers' CYA because I predicted they'd say that from the first paragraphs of the story. They had a responsibility to do their homework, and failed, instead sending a thuggish process server to someone's house. They're lucky this is all that happened, and shouldn't be trying to blame Ms Hammer for their lack of diligence. 5 minutes of research would have raised red flags.

BTW, process servers, tough talk all day, but any old woman with gun classes in my neighborhood could put you in the ground. Be nice.
 
2010-12-06 12:16:50 PM
iq_in_binary: 1.At that time of night always open the door with your Ruger/Glock 9mm
2.Watch him shait his pants
3.Claim taht there has been home invasions around here lately
4.Make him wait until the cops show up
5.Get arrested for assaulting a process server
6.Spend a few years in prison.


Did I miss the step where the guy properly identified himself as a process server?

Or, if its someone with training, get your gun taken from you, and promptly get shot with your own weapon.

Assault, battery, attempted murder.
 
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