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(Telegraph)   "A frozen lake is a danger even just to walk on, but to drive quad bikes across it is stupidity at the highest level"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 90
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2010-12-06 01:09:00 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk

A lake with some ice floating on part of it hardly qualifies as a 'frozen lake'
 
2010-12-06 04:00:11 AM
I'd love to laugh at these idiots, but the one time I drove one of those I got cocky and squared up the wheels on a turn while standing up.

And I also ran over somebody the first weekend I drove a jet ski. He's alright...he was a super duper paratrooper.
 
2010-12-06 05:00:59 AM
Just drive faster.
 
#2 [TotalFark]
2010-12-06 05:13:13 AM
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."

- Benjamin Franklin

\Fun Fact: Thomas Jefferson would often challenge Ben to 'test the ice' of the Potomac.
 
2010-12-06 06:03:32 AM
Seriously? Wrong vehicle Morans!

www.nunatsiaqonline.ca

Frozen lake + 4 wheeler = fail
Cold lake + Snow Mobile + alcohol = 80mph win

/Not me, but I have done it
//Crazy fun, so long as you don't slow down or turn to hard
///No so much fun if you screw up though
//Actually, it's really pretty dangerous too
/But I'm not all that smart, so oh well
 
2010-12-06 06:05:27 AM
Depends on what you call a frozen lake. In Northern Montana we drive out in trucks, set up a shack, drill a hole, then pretend to fish while we all get sh*tfaced drunk.

Good times.
 
2010-12-06 06:06:04 AM
That is because you live in a temperate zone where it does not get cold.

Ice a foot thick will support trucks.
 
2010-12-06 06:13:52 AM
i.telegraph.co.uk

"A partially frozen lake is a danger even just to walk on, but to drive quad bikes across it and then to keep standing on the bike as it sinks is stupidity at the highest level"

FTFY

/seriously, is he the captain going down with the ship or something?
 
2010-12-06 06:26:17 AM
Running across the ice, with a stick in you hand, can be hazard to your heath also.
 
2010-12-06 06:27:28 AM
I was all set to comment that frozen lakes can be great fun, but then I saw what those idiots drove out on.
 
2010-12-06 06:28:46 AM
static.desktopnexus.com

I could swear we had quad bike based meme few years ago
 
2010-12-06 06:42:57 AM
Hilary T. N. Seuss: "A partially frozen lake is a danger even just to walk on, but to drive quad bikes across it and then to keep standing on the bike as it sinks is stupidity at the highest level"

FTFY


Well fixed. A properly frozen lake can be fished on, trucked on, raced on, whatever.
 
2010-12-06 06:55:46 AM
In Maine they're called 4 wheelers. I don't know why.

/I always knew them as trikes and quads.
 
2010-12-06 07:04:46 AM
Psycoholic_Slag: Depends on what you call a frozen lake. In Northern Montana we drive out in trucks, set up a shack, drill a hole, then pretend to fish while we all get sh*tfaced drunk.

Good times.


That happens here in Southern Minnesota as well. We have entire shantytowns of fish houses out on the lake. Some of them are almost like miniature cabins with satellite TV.

Of course - you do have to wait until the ice is thick enough - which around here is usually late December/early January.
 
2010-12-06 07:09:31 AM
ajgeek: In Maine they're called 4 wheelers. I don't know why.

/I always knew them as trikes and quads.


I totally agree. Your naming system is better. But for those who don't understand, it's prefix lesson time!

Bi = two
Tri = three
Quad = four

TFA refers to the vehicles as being "quad bikes", which by definition means two and four, so i'd have to assume that these must have been 8-wheeled vehicles.
 
2010-12-06 07:14:35 AM
This is stupidity at the highest level (new window)

Of course it happened in Ohio
 
2010-12-06 07:17:28 AM
ajgeek: In Maine they're called 4 wheelers. I don't know why.

/I always knew them as trikes and quads.


That's what I grew up with too. The three-wheeled versions were called (get ready)... three wheelers.

/southern Illinois
 
2010-12-06 07:18:52 AM
The fail here is from that author who thinks everything frozen is dangerus. Every snowmobiler and quad rider I know goes on frozen lakes and rivers all the time, and always have. Truckers drive across the lake into town to skip the local weigh station all the time. Nobody's ever gone through the ice that I've heard of. Although they did pull a quad, 5 snowmobiles, 2 tractors and a small garden shed/greenhouse thingy out of the lake when they dredged it yeas ago, so I guess sometimes people do go in.
 
2010-12-06 07:21:02 AM
Scurvy Dog: Psycoholic_Slag: Depends on what you call a frozen lake. In Northern Montana we drive out in trucks, set up a shack, drill a hole, then pretend to fish while we all get sh*tfaced drunk.

Good times.

That happens here in Southern Minnesota as well. We have entire shantytowns of fish houses out on the lake. Some of them are almost like miniature cabins with satellite TV.

Of course - you do have to wait until the ice is thick enough - which around here is usually late December/early January.


Living near a Great Lake, this comes up every year.
And every year, the discussion arises as to who should pay for such Darwinism.
Those rescued argue that the Coast Guard, local police, et al, get paid up front to rescue by way of taxes, ATV permits and the like.
Others argue that there is extra cost, and danger to the rescuers involved, and as such, the state should be repaid.

I wonder how many ice shanties, four wheelers, sno-mobiles, etc., are still at the bottom of the Great Lakes, let alone inland lakes. And who pays for that environmental impact?

It is always a hoot to watch the ice fisherman floating out to sea on an ice shelf. Not funny when they go back out the very next day, or sometimes later that same day.
 
2010-12-06 07:22:42 AM
6 inches in the center is supposed to cut it. My friends up in Alberta do this every year with no issues.
 
2010-12-06 07:23:19 AM
PersistantRash: The fail here is from that author who thinks everything frozen is dangerus...

But all frozen lakes in the UK ARE dangerous, because if they freeze over, they never freeze thick enough to be stable, it doesn't matter if they're safe were you're from, you're not in the UK, this is from a British paper, for Brits. Idiot
 
2010-12-06 07:30:04 AM
Meh. When I was a kid, we lived in Helsinki. They used to have rallies on the frozen Baltic archipelago
He'll, my dad even took us out in the old Volvo wagon once.

True story, bro.
 
2010-12-06 07:32:25 AM
During the siege of Stalingrad in WWII the Russians built a railroad line across a large frozen lake to supply the city.

During the Napoleonic wars French cavalry captured several Dutch naval ships by riding across the ice to where the ships were frozen in place in the harbor.

/csb
 
2010-12-06 07:34:14 AM
I live beside a frozen lake so I'm getting a real kick out of this story...

Seriously, am getting a real kick out of it. Will share with my students this morning so they can laugh at the stupid British people.
 
2010-12-06 07:35:42 AM
images2.memegenerator.net
 
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2010-12-06 07:39:06 AM
johnnygew: Scurvy Dog: Psycoholic_Slag: Depends on what you call a frozen lake. In Northern Montana we drive out in trucks, set up a shack, drill a hole, then pretend to fish while we all get sh*tfaced drunk.

Good times.

That happens here in Southern Minnesota as well. We have entire shantytowns of fish houses out on the lake. Some of them are almost like miniature cabins with satellite TV.

Of course - you do have to wait until the ice is thick enough - which around here is usually late December/early January.

Living near a Great Lake, this comes up every year.
And every year, the discussion arises as to who should pay for such Darwinism.
Those rescued argue that the Coast Guard, local police, et al, get paid up front to rescue by way of taxes, ATV permits and the like.
Others argue that there is extra cost, and danger to the rescuers involved, and as such, the state should be repaid.

I wonder how many ice shanties, four wheelers, sno-mobiles, etc., are still at the bottom of the Great Lakes, let alone inland lakes. And who pays for that environmental impact?

It is always a hoot to watch the ice fisherman floating out to sea on an ice shelf. Not funny when they go back out the very next day, or sometimes later that same day.


As someone who lives on an inland lake in Michigan, I can relate to the laughs. It really does turn into a shanty town in the winter, some of the huts are pretty elaborate. It's pretty entertaining to watch the constant battle between the huts, the quads, the kiteboarders, the iceboats and then...the cars and pickup trucks.

Maybe this year someone's brand new pickup truck will fall through. Maybe...
 
2010-12-06 07:41:21 AM
We're already up to two deaths by ATV-on-ice in Minnesota this year (that I know of). You'd think people would think, "That was just open water three days ago, maybe I shouldn't take a 500lb hunk of metal out on there," but that discounts the essential nature of human idiocy. So we fish them out and put it on the news in the hope that something sinks in (no pun intended).
 
2010-12-06 07:46:08 AM
Wales.

Enough Said.
 
2010-12-06 07:50:53 AM
Always enjoy reading about the morons driving anything on a frozen lake, as well as the drunks on jetskis. See? Tragedy can be entertaining, well for me anyways.

/reduce surplus population & all that.........
 
2010-12-06 08:14:52 AM
You can snowmobile on an unfrozen lake.
YOU HAVE TO GO VERY FAST THOUGH.
Go slow, you sink. Go fast, you skim.
If the ice starts cracking on a partially frozen lake, then don't slow down... GUN IT FOR ALL IT IS WORTH! Go slow, you drown in freezing cold water. Gun it and you have a dramatically higher odd of surviving it.

You are also better off with two front sledding forks over just one.

Snowmobile watercross, part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QZfyVCC0xE (new window)

snowmobile watercross race #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SG1c7NIyW0 (new window)

Arctic Cat M1 on water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Oc7Akxz5g (new window)

jeep vs snomobile race over water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW9gNaPDghw (new window)

// My opinion is that if you can do it without flooding and destroying the engine and the snowmobile is your legal property and you can swim yourself to safety, then try it out in summer.

// And for your own safety, no stunts. No wheelies and no flipping. Snowmobiles are much heavier than they look and can drag you down like an anchor in water and if your limbs don't get snagged then mangled by the treads you'll be very lucky to just be able to swim away. The only reason a snowmobile can pull this trick is a mix of momentum + tread surface area exaggerated by the high speed over water + general "wiggle room" of how much the rider plus snowmobile itself weighs. Screw up the sweet spot in that "wiggle room" part of the physics and you can easily be a dead drowned or crippled duck if you're lucky.

// For Heaven's sake also remember that you need to be going around 80 MPH to stay skimming on the water, if the snowmobile twists in the path then starts flopping end over end, then you're going to be a little floppy human ragdoll tossed to the fates in a random vector at 80 MPH. How strong is your neck against your body mass with a random vector twisting force hitting it at 80 MPH? *SNAP* if you're unlucky and the odds are not in your favor without serious injury here in terms of survival without hospitalization.

// Otherwise just keep the "Snowmobile on frozen lake, ice goes crack, GUN IT FOR ALL IT IS WORTH to the shore that is the straightest path in your current direction of movement!" concept in mind. You can reunite on dry land later if you cannot match identical snowmobile lake vectors. You can survive being in a rather stupid situation, but you cannot falter or pause in your escape or you'll drown in freezing water and be out a snowmobile.
 
2010-12-06 08:17:22 AM
Growing up in Maine my old man took a car out on a frozen lake with some buddies and got up to about 120 MPH.

Of course, he probably waited until a little later in the year than December. But you can drive on the ice, ever seen Ice Road Truckers?
 
2010-12-06 08:18:43 AM
The first stupidity was not distinguishing between a lake frozen by normally cold temperatures and AGW caused cold temperatures. The AGW cold is a different kind and the models say that the while the ice is frozen, it's a rotten ice (Science Daily), and obviously can't be subjected to the same stresses normally frozen ice could be.

The second stupidity was being Welsh
 
2010-12-06 08:20:24 AM
We used to drive trucks and have Christmas tree bonfires on frozen lakes.
 
2010-12-06 08:21:12 AM
phlegmmo: A lake with some ice floating on part of it hardly qualifies as a 'frozen lake'

This. If the ice is a couple feet thick you can safely drive a semi on it. If it's an inch or less you shouldn't even be walking on it.
 
2010-12-06 08:21:19 AM
growing up in Michigan, the knowledge of "safe ice" is something learned early on. I have driven quads, snowmobiles, even my vehicles onto the ice and not once have I fallen through the ice (with the exception of accidentally stepping in a snow covered ice fishing hole). nearly 30 and darwin hasn't found me yet.
 
2010-12-06 08:30:22 AM
johnnygew: I wonder how many ice shanties, four wheelers, sno-mobiles, etc., are still at the bottom of the Great Lakes, let alone inland lakes. And who pays for that environmental impact?

Before we can discuss what should be paid, what -- pray tell -- *is* the environmental impact of, say, a snowmobile at the bottom of an inland lake? Furthermore, if you'd like to answer how the Great Lakes are not inland lakes, or in fact, give any examples of lakes not bounded by land, I'm all ears.
 
2010-12-06 08:32:25 AM
images.fanpop.com

Ban Ice!!
 
2010-12-06 08:33:52 AM
The problem with frozen lakes in the UK is that the chicks that live under it can't dole out swords like they should.
 
2010-12-06 08:34:19 AM
BumpyMcNipples: Seriously? Wrong vehicle Morans!

Agreed. If anyone here searches Youtube for "ATV water skipping" you can see 4-wheeler ATV's slowly moving across the lake.

KNEE-DEEP while driving in the lake.

I don't want to be knee-deep in frozen water in the middle of winter if I can avoid it.

John Cannon Reverse Water Wheelie Can-Am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLZb-T21teE (new window)

And if you go fast enough without losing forward momentum you can skim too (although the physics are less favorable that the ones for snowmobiles).

Hell, you can even do this with a motorcycle. The physics on that are tinier in terms of "wiggle room". Smaller surface area of motion (inside buoyancy of the tires is multiplied with the increased speed of rotation versus external surface area), the problem of sucking air into the water through the textured tires, the downpull of the tires as the push you forward sucking you downward into the lake, and the weights of rider + motorcycle giving little chance of allowing rider lean and denying entirely wheel angle change tolerance. Better tires designed just for this stunt would give a slightly better "wiggle room", but the math still sucks for motorcycles versus snowmobiles doing the "Jesus Crossing" stunt.

Motorcycle On Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsYR3KCfcaA (new window)

Motorcycle rides 160 ft on top of 6ft deep water :SHRAPNEL FILMS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW90ljL83eI (new window)
(Comment on video)
robvlob
1 year ago

I timed it using a stop watch it took around 1.75 ± 0.15 sec to travel 160 FT so unless my math is wrong your average speed across the water should be somewhere between 57.4 - 68.1MPH

Actual average speed was most likely close to 62.3 MPH so Id guess you would of entered water around 70 ± 2 MPH
 
2010-12-06 08:36:29 AM
"Hey y'all, watch this!"

Or in this case, "Hey ol' chap, have a look at these antics!"
 
2010-12-06 08:43:27 AM
Cythraul: "Hey y'all, watch this!"

Or in this case, "Hey ol' chap, have a look at these antics!"


It is amazing how everybody in Wales speaks just like a posh Victorian, isn't it?
 
2010-12-06 08:43:57 AM
I'm just happy (and not a little surprised) to learn that anyone outside of the proper government authorities is even allowed to own or operate a four-wheeler in the UK.
 
2010-12-06 08:44:02 AM
citizented.com

It's ok, this guy is so strong he can pull it out with his teeth.

/really, fark? this should have been the boobies
 
2010-12-06 08:44:46 AM
loathable cockroach: PersistantRash: The fail here is from that author who thinks everything frozen is dangerus...

But all frozen lakes in the UK ARE dangerous, because if they freeze over, they never freeze thick enough to be stable, it doesn't matter if they're safe were you're from, you're not in the UK, this is from a British paper, for Brits. Idiot


What do you expect from someone who can't even spell his own Fark handle? The scary part: he's still smarter than the average Merkin.
 
2010-12-06 08:48:58 AM
Some more "Jesus Crossing" stunts...

Kal dirt biking on water!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3L3WBlcJZs (new window)
ACiDgaming9796
1 month ago

deepest is about 4 feet

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KTM 525 Crossing Big lake...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wvvfdT9_bo (new window)
huelitonz | August 19, 2008 | 92 likes, 1 dislikes

THATS INSANE, ATV CROSSING LAKE OVER THE WATERRR...

====

Is it possible to drive across a 400 feet wide lake which is also 15 feet deep? Danny tries it with his Yamaha Raptor Sports ATV.

ATV Skims 400 Feet at Sand Hill ATV in Wiggins, MS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEx9NFkWV9I (new window)
scuzz700xx | October 03, 2009 | 218 likes, 4 dislikes

Raptor 700R 400 skims feet with ease! Water is about 15-20' deep. It's able to do this because it has paddle tires on the rear, additionally it's running low pressure in the stock fronts. No paddle tires in the back and high pressure in the front = bad things.


// I'm saying and showing that indeed this is possible to succeed in this stunt, but you need a lot of forward momentum, a lot of self-control against trying to "spice up the stunt", and a lot of continual momentum to reach the other shore (with the thought in mind that the other shore is also a smooth easement into the lake. You also would have to be willing to trash or undo the severe waterlogging of your engine + battery + fluids + gas tank + muffler because odds are in your favor for an undignified potentially dangerous dunking.
 
2010-12-06 08:50:13 AM
I've known many people who have lost snowmobiles, trucks, and ice-fishing shacks to the depths of Lake Nipissing in northern Ontario.

I was always told that you don't go out on the water until the average temperature is -20, and has been that way for a month.
 
2010-12-06 08:53:00 AM
Wonder how thick the ice was, because depending on the thickness it can handle a lot more then a quad:

www.kidsfreesouls.com

But of course ice can be tricky no matter the thickness:

i86.photobucket.com
 
2010-12-06 08:55:48 AM
Cythraul: "Hey y'all, watch this!"

Or in this case, "Hey ol' chap, have a look at these antics!"


How about, "Hold my pint and watch this"?
 
2010-12-06 08:58:04 AM
TomD9938: I'm just happy (and not a little surprised) to learn that anyone outside of the proper government authorities is even allowed to own or operate a four-wheeler in the UK.

If that truly surprises you, you really, really need to put down the Daily Mail and go outside.
 
2010-12-06 09:03:02 AM
FarkinNortherner: If that truly surprises you, you really, really need to put down the Daily Mail and go outside

HEY!

those things are dangerous...
 
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