keiverarrow: It's true, we do.

And guess what? IT WORKS, but you're the exception aren't you?

I don't know. I mean, what if I want to eat more and exercise less? How can the Fark Experts help me then?

I will break from the experts and say that eating less is the key.

Well we all know Fark Experts must be wrong, you should be able to eat as much as you want, exercise as little as you want, and still be accepted, right?

I lost weight by using crystals and aligning my chakra.

I think a few things can be done instead of invasive surgery. One of them is teaching people how many calories are in sodas and fruit juices. A lot of overweight people don't realize that they double their caloric intake by drinking those alone.

What really needs to be done is more education about foods. A lot of people want an easy way out, but squeezing off the stomach is hardly the way to do it. Exercise, proper diet, and bashing down American norms that encourage overeating. We can save a ton of money right now by cutting out high fructose corn syrup and replacing it with sugar.

But the problem here is one of education and psychology. Giving a lot of overweight people stomach bands is just going to complicate what is already a difficult process. Learning how much food it takes to live would be a big improvement instead of fighting the symptoms.

Fatty Kryptonite.

Far farking Out Man!

Software2: I don't know. I mean, what if I want to eat more and exercise less? How can the Fark Experts help me then?

Instead of making sandwiches with bread, use pop tarts. Instead of chewing gum, chew bacon.

Software2: I don't know. I mean, what if I want to eat more and exercise less? How can the Fark Experts help me then?

Eat lots of iceberg lettuce. Season it with sawdust.

GungFu: [www.withamymac.com image 640x480]

Fatty Kryptonite.

I don't know, those avocados are loaded with saturated fat. :)

Throw a steak or some roasted unbreaded chicken on there (complete with skin) and you've got my average paleo meal.

sign_of_Zeta: So many people are totally clueless about healthy eating.

Tell me about it. They tell you that as long as you don't refine the grains too much, they're totally healthy and you should eat tons of them.

A fatty thread. Yay!

Wow, you all just recommend the Dr. Laura Diet. (new window)

It's simple math really:

If Calories eaten > Calories Burned = Fat
Calories Burned > Calories Eaten = Not Fat

That is unless you're one of those "special types" that have either a genetic issue/thyroid problem/"big bones" where you can't eat granola without gaining 100 lbs.

altinos: GungFu: [www.withamymac.com image 640x480]

Fatty Kryptonite.

I don't know, those avocados are loaded with saturated fat. :)

Throw a steak or some roasted unbreaded chicken on there (complete with skin) and you've got my average paleo meal.

Paleo diets are bad for you.

Just make sure everything is organic and vegan and you will be fine regardless of how much of it is fried or covered in chocolate.

Has anyone failed to mention that the band's purpose is to make you feel full so *wait for it* you eat less! Pretty much summarizes what we've been saying all along but a hell of a lot more expensive.

Because doctors have given up on expecting any mental willpower whatsoever. The surgically shrunken stomach just sends physical signals that prevent you from eating, the same as you could with your mind alone.

LittleSmitty: Software2: I don't know. I mean, what if I want to eat more and exercise less? How can the Fark Experts help me then?

Instead of making sandwiches with bread, use pop tarts. Instead of chewing gum, chew bacon.

Thanks Dr. Nick!

LargeCanine: I will break from the experts and say that eating less is the key.

If the goal is simply weight loss, absolutely. Exercise is great for the body, and overall health, but weight loss is ALL about caloric intake.

Sure, running, jogging, etc will burn calories, but nothing compares to reducing calories and letting your body take care of the rest.

The people that say education is the key crack me up. Do you really think I'm fat because I don't know what a calorie is? It's an addiction. Education doesn't fix addiction. I'm not blaming anyone but my own retarded (politically incorrect, yet accurate word) self.

pnjunction: Because doctors have given up on expecting any mental willpower whatsoever. The surgically shrunken stomach just sends physical signals that prevent you from eating, the same as you could with your mind alone.

Is this 'mental willpower' like telekinesis or something?

Notabunny: pnjunction: Because doctors have given up on expecting any mental willpower whatsoever. The surgically shrunken stomach just sends physical signals that prevent you from eating, the same as you could with your mind alone.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but wouldn't a stomach send the same signals if it was filled w/ a head of lettuce and several glasses of water?

Lettuce and water is icky.

monkeyman3875
keiverarrow: It's true, we do.

And guess what? IT WORKS, but you're the exception aren't you?

Most fark experts are genetically predisposed to obesity. It's true, there's nothing can be done about it.

As the guy who did the Twinkie diet proved, it's all about calories in vs calories burned. Even if you eat crappy calories, your health will improve across the board. I'm SO tired of fat people (and this includes a number of close relatives) who eat constantly and then blame the weight gain on bad health, gland problems, missing one of their dozens of pills, etc. STOP EATING ALREADY

sign_of_Zeta: The point is to educate before you let addiction happen.

Also, there are many people who don't honestly know how to start on their diet. I thought it was ultimately hopeless for me when I started. If I hadn't heard about the stories of some other people's success (like David Smith, the guy who lost 450 pounds) I never would have though I could lose the weight I needed to.

I've been using the "myfitnesspal" ap for the iphone (it's also on the web). It counts calories and nutritional info for you, and shows you your limit/goal for the day, so you can see how much you have left.

If NOTHING else, it lets you see what you're eating, and you can decide if it's worth it. It makes you pay attention to what you're stuffing in your face.

sign_of_Zeta: The point is to educate before you let addiction happen.

Also, there are many people who don't honestly know how to start on their diet. I thought it was ultimately hopeless for me when I started. If I hadn't heard about the stories of some other people's success (like David Smith, the guy who lost 450 pounds) I never would have though I could lose the weight I needed to.

There's only about a gazillionmillion diet programs out there -- some sane (Weight Watchers) and some crazy (fad diets). Starting isn't a problem.

Non-fatties don't understand that it can be an addiction, like smoking. Telling fat people "eat right and exercise, duh" is as helpful as telling a smoker "put down the cigarette, how hard is that?".

Sexy Republican Girl: Paleo diets are bad for you.

Just make sure everything is organic and vegan and you will be fine regardless of how much of it is fried or covered in chocolate.

Vegan diets are bad for you.

Just make sure you eat a lot of plants (not grains) and animals and you will be fine.

j0ndas: Even if you eat crappy calories, your health will improve across the board

Weeeeellll, sort of. Your weight will drop, which will improve health, but you're still better off eating actual nutrients. Eating nothing but eating nothing but twinkies long term won't make you the spitting image of health.

Screw this. I'm going back to the burger thread.

/sounds fat

Whatever happened to those electrode things that caused involuntary muscle contractions so you could exercise your abs without effort?

Nakito: Whatever happened to those electrode things that caused involuntary muscle contractions so you could exercise your abs without effort?


Lazy fatties were dying of electroctuion when they thought they could "exercise" their abs while lounging in the bath tub eating.

Hebalo: j0ndas: Even if you eat crappy calories, your health will improve across the board

Weeeeellll, sort of. Your weight will drop, which will improve health, but you're still better off eating actual nutrients. Eating nothing but eating nothing but twinkies long term won't make you the spitting image of health.

I didn't say eating crap was optimal, just that it was a better choice than eating MORE crap. Obviously, eating a balanced diet that includes a sufficient amount of vitamins is going to be the best idea.

pdieten: LittleSmitty: Software2: I don't know. I mean, what if I want to eat more and exercise less? How can the Fark Experts help me then?

Instead of making sandwiches with bread, use pop tarts. Instead of chewing gum, chew bacon.

Thanks Dr. Nick!

If your not sure you should eat it rub it against a piece of paper. If it turns clear it's your window to health and fitness.

I kinda stopped listening to popular music around 1991, and I've never heard anything by Stomach Band.

GungFu: Fatty Kryptonite.

Fact. If you eat vegetables instead of starches, plus some meat, you'll lose weight and feel a lot better. Carbs really are the enemy. Insulin spikin all over the place.

altinos: Sexy Republican Girl: Paleo diets are bad for you.

Just make sure everything is organic and vegan and you will be fine regardless of how much of it is fried or covered in chocolate.

Vegan diets are bad for you.

Just make sure you eat a lot of plants (not grains) and animals and you will be fine.

rock on, dude. i've lost like 30 pounds since going on paleo six months ago. and i feel better, too.

southaustin: Non-fatties don't understand that it can be an addiction, like smoking. Telling fat people "eat right and exercise, duh" is as helpful as telling a smoker "put down the cigarette, how hard is that?".


Cigarette smokers and other substance addictions generally have physically addictive properties, to the point their their bodies will malfunction in the absence of said chemical.

Psychological addiction, which can be pretty powerful, don't exactly match the strength of strong physical addictions. If an obese person doesn't eat for a day, their bodies will simply feed off their ample food supply and cause hunger pangs in the user.

People suffering heavy alcohol addiction, for instance, will shake uncontrollably, have insomnia, extreme anxiety and depression, suffer delirium tremens (visual hallucinations which I have experienced myself), even to the point where you will have seizures upon withdrawal.

Fatties who don't eat will just be hungry.

CleverGuy81: rock on, dude. i've lost like 30 pounds since going on paleo six months ago. and i feel better, too.

Grok on! :)

I've lost a bunch of weight too, though it does not come off as quickly as starvation diets. What's gotten better is all the little things, like my cholesterol numbers, my blood pressure, various other little nagging things like rashes, snoring, etc.

Grains are a whole mess of bad things. We feed them to cattle to get them fat but then turn around and tell people that it's the healthiest thing and to eat them all day.

I'm hoping they include counselors and psychiatrists to teach these people impulse control and lifestyle changes to ensure they keep the weight off. I read a lot of people who are morbidly obese have underlying psychological issues related to decision making and using food to fulfill emotional voids.