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(Scientific American)   Why schadenfreude hurts so good and why you love it   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 67
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2010-12-03 01:17:16 PM  
In before John Meloncamp
 
2010-12-03 01:19:36 PM  
It Hurts so good! Hurts! So Good!
 
2010-12-03 01:20:08 PM  
In before Rick Derringer
 
2010-12-03 01:20:52 PM  
Ah, Friday morning and slow on the uptake

/i get it! i get it!
 
2010-12-03 01:21:51 PM  
It is the schönste Freude.
 
2010-12-03 01:24:10 PM  
Methinks most people are more receptive to poetic justice than schadenfreude. I don't know if they considered poetic justice a mere subset of the latter, but there's a significant difference, at least in terms of evolution.
 
2010-12-03 01:25:53 PM  
Because the one suffering ain't me.
 
2010-12-03 01:28:28 PM  
I honestly dislike the concept of schadenfreude and do my best not to indulge in it.

Very base feeling.
 
2010-12-03 01:29:33 PM  
I like to read articles about really fat people who experience discrimination. I especially like a story my nurse friend told me about how extremely obese people at her hospital are sent to Sea World to be weighed because the hospital doesn't have the equipment to measure people that big. I'm not joking.

Annnndddd... how is admitting all of that supposed to be helpful? /shrug
 
2010-12-03 01:29:34 PM  
Only when it's someone I dislike or hate. And even then, it depends on the magnitude of the misfortune, I would think.

If a guy stole my girlfriend, would I enjoy watching him lose his job or something like that? Yes. Would I enjoy watching him die of brain cancer? No.
 
2010-12-03 01:32:13 PM  
I think the most prevalent form of schadenfreude is that of the facebook variety. Have you ever FB-stalked someone you hated from high school, then saw on their profile that they still bag groceries for a living? It's a great feeling.
 
2010-12-03 01:35:33 PM  
sonarbison: I think the most prevalent form of schadenfreude is that of the facebook variety. Have you ever FB-stalked someone you hated from high school, then saw on their profile that they still bag groceries for a living? It's a great feeling.

Your wicked laughter must have echoed all around your Mom's basement.
 
2010-12-03 01:35:42 PM  
Why no obvious tag subby?
 
2010-12-03 01:37:57 PM  
dragonchild: Methinks most people are more receptive to poetic justice than schadenfreude. I don't know if they considered poetic justice a mere subset of the latter, but there's a significant difference, at least in terms of evolution.

Poetic justice is just schadenfreude in disguise.
 
2010-12-03 01:38:18 PM  
Is that what I get when I pay the lady an extra $20?

and or

Those Germans have a word for everything
 
2010-12-03 01:39:02 PM  
I believe my wife married me, not for the love but for the schadenfreude.
 
2010-12-03 01:39:18 PM  
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste freude? Who knew?

/oh wait
 
2010-12-03 01:41:17 PM  
Kuoxasar: Only when it's someone I dislike or hate. And even then, it depends on the magnitude of the misfortune, I would think.

If a guy stole my girlfriend, would I enjoy watching him lose his job or something like that? Yes. Would I enjoy watching him die of brain cancer? No.


You must not have liked her very much.
 
2010-12-03 01:41:52 PM  
FTA: There is no English translation for the German word schadenfreude...

Yes, there is. It's "schadenfreude." It's used enough in English articles and stories that I think it should qualify as a word by now. Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?
 
2010-12-03 01:42:27 PM  
olddeegee: sonarbison: I think the most prevalent form of schadenfreude is that of the facebook variety. Have you ever FB-stalked someone you hated from high school, then saw on their profile that they still bag groceries for a living? It's a great feeling.

Your wicked laughter must have echoed all around your Mom's basement.


EEEEK!!! *closes curtains and blinds*
 
2010-12-03 01:42:58 PM  
FTA:

The researchers found that Democrats experienced schadenfreude-reporting that they were "secretly happy," for instance-when reading about the economic downturn and the deaths of American troops abroad because they believed these events would bode well for their party.

Oh, god, hold on people. It's about to start.
 
2010-12-03 01:45:40 PM  
Schadenfreude was best explained to me by naughty puppets.

/Avenue Q was hilarious
//We're all a little bit racist!
 
2010-12-03 01:47:07 PM  
davidphogan: Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?

Shoddenfroida?
 
2010-12-03 01:47:48 PM  
"The researchers found that Democrats experienced schadenfreude-reporting that they were "secretly happy," for instance-when reading about the economic downturn and the deaths of American troops abroad because they believed these events would bode well for their party."

There's no schadenfreude like liberal schadenfreude.
 
2010-12-03 01:50:45 PM  
FarkinHostile: I honestly dislike the concept of schadenfreude and do my best not to indulge in it.

Very base feeling.


I love that you had to post this, makes me so happy.
 
2010-12-03 01:51:52 PM  
Free Range Deranged: You must not have liked her very much.

It's just a theoretical question, luckily, I've never had a girlfriend jump ship for another guy before.

But even so, I mean, if that happened to you, would you wish DEATH on that other person? Seems a bit excessive.
 
2010-12-03 01:55:29 PM  
royone: davidphogan: Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?

Shoddenfroida?


Ah, good, someone who knows the proper pronunciation.

LordBollocks: There's no schadenfreude like liberal schadenfreude.

If there's one transpartisan trait, I'm certain it's schadenfreude.
 
2010-12-03 02:09:51 PM  
Would I enjoy watching the country wither and fall to ruin at the hands of a president I didn't want elected? YOU BETCHA!
 
2010-12-03 02:10:57 PM  
Schadenfreude - The ex has been late to his daily breathalyzers at the Sheriff's office. Warnings to be on time were ignored. He spent a 4 or 5 day Thanksgiving holiday in jail for being late, one too many times.

/CSB
 
2010-12-03 02:15:34 PM  
TofuTheAlmighty: royone: davidphogan: Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?

Shoddenfroida?

Ah, good, someone who knows the proper pronunciation.


Is it the proper pronunciation in English if everyone says it the other way?
 
2010-12-03 02:17:43 PM  
'It is not enough that I succeed but that my friends also fail'

Or something along those lines.
 
2010-12-03 02:19:11 PM  
FarkinHostile: I honestly dislike the concept of schadenfreude and do my best not to indulge in it.

Very base feeling.


Everyone has dark thoughts and feelings. Better to admit having them and confronting them because otherwise they tend to come out in other, worse ways.

/very Jungian i am
 
2010-12-03 02:21:05 PM  
davidphogan: TofuTheAlmighty: royone: davidphogan: Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?

Shoddenfroida?

Ah, good, someone who knows the proper pronunciation.

Is it the proper pronunciation in English if everyone says it the other way?


I don't know anyone who mispronounces it. If you're smart enough to use the word, you're probably smart enough to know how to pronounce it.
 
2010-12-03 02:22:04 PM  
davidphogan: FTA: There is no English translation for the German word schadenfreude...

Yes, there is. It's "schadenfreude." It's used enough in English articles and stories that I think it should qualify as a word by now. Can we Americanize the spelling to "shadenfrud" or something already?


Remember Fahrvergnügen?
 
2010-12-03 02:22:14 PM  
The article should have also discussed vorshtein.
 
2010-12-03 02:26:04 PM  
toraque: FTA:

The researchers found that Democrats experienced schadenfreude-reporting that they were "secretly happy," for instance-when reading about the economic downturn and the deaths of American troops abroad because they believed these events would bode well for their party.

Oh, god, hold on people. It's about to start.


Oh no they di'in't!

*Runs off to grab beer and popcorn.*

A political flamewar AND psycology thread? This had better be awesome.
 
2010-12-03 02:31:36 PM  
Kuoxasar: Free Range Deranged: You must not have liked her very much.

It's just a theoretical question, luckily, I've never had a girlfriend jump ship for another guy before.

But even so, I mean, if that happened to you, would you wish DEATH on that other person? Seems a bit excessive.


That's the paradox. If you liked her enough she wouldn't leave you. If you didn't then you wouldn't care if she left. My history is that they wouldn't leave.
 
2010-12-03 02:33:11 PM  
Needlessly Complicated

Everyone has dark thoughts and feelings. Better to admit having them and confronting them because otherwise they tend to come out in other, worse ways.


Well, that explains the girls chained up in my cellar.
 
2010-12-03 02:37:57 PM  
The researchers found that Democrats experienced schadenfreude-reporting that they were "secretly happy," for instance-when reading about the economic downturn and the deaths of American troops abroad because they believed these events would bode well for their party.

Of course they did.

/how many anti-war protests have there been since 2008? How many wars we still involved in?
// obvious news is obvious.
 
2010-12-03 02:38:25 PM  
TFA is behind a paywall, so I couldn't read it. Feeling Schadenfreude for me yet?
 
2010-12-03 02:47:26 PM  
I tried to read the article but I don't know what "peccadiloes" are and it made me feel stupid. Screw you, elitist article.

/little armored mammal?
//sex toy?
///if only there were some sort of searchable database of information...
 
2010-12-03 03:00:54 PM  
Because shut up, that's why.
 
2010-12-03 03:04:36 PM  
Shah-duhn-f(v)roy-duh

But in Texas, we'll call it Shay-den-Froid..

And that will be the official Texas pronunceeation of it sure as the Texas towns of Salado and Blanco are officially pronounced Sa-lay-do, and Blayn-co
 
2010-12-03 03:19:13 PM  
Isn't that when Amish kids go wild?
 
2010-12-03 03:22:47 PM  
I secretly laugh at hobos.
 
2010-12-03 03:26:04 PM  
crazytrpr: Poetic justice is just schadenfreude in disguise.

I disagree. An honest instance of poetic justice is explicitly tied to both morality and irony. "This person hurt someone and is now hurt, therefore I am happy." Schadenfreude dressed up as poetic justics is schadenfreude ("I enjoy seeing this person hurt") combined with either denial or prejudice. "I enjoy seeing this person hurt, therefore, this person must deserve it."

Of course, one can always argue that morality is an illusion, but that's for 2nd year philosophy majors thinking they're the smartest in the world. In the realm of social evolution, someone who desires a social environment stabilized by a negative feedback loop (which is a core basis for criminal justice) would enjoy instances of poetic justice. The same person has no incentive to enjoy schadenfreude by itself.
 
2010-12-03 03:35:18 PM  
mobombhead: I secretly laugh at hobos.

They secretly laugh at you.
 
2010-12-03 03:52:26 PM  
FTFA: There is no English translation for the German word schadenfreude-that small, private rush of glee in response to someone else's misfortune.

So they say there's no translation, and then proceed to give a translation in the same farking sentence?
 
2010-12-03 03:53:01 PM  
I don't experience schadenfreude. Seriously. It bothers me a little bit, because I've been told for years that feeling pleasure at other's misfortune is normal, but I just don't feel it. The actual suffering of others has never resulted in me feeling joy, happiness, humor or any other positive emotion. Hell, even poetic justice doesn't really trigger anything in me.
 
2010-12-03 03:53:10 PM  
I drunk what: mobombhead: I secretly laugh at hobos.

They secretly laugh at you.


I know. It's a little thing we got going.
 
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