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(Bitten and Bound)   It now takes 30,000 energy efficient LED lights on the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree to get the same effect that 15,000 regular bulbs once produce. (pics, vid)   (bittenandbound.com) divider line 238
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2010-12-01 02:05:10 PM
Uh, LEDs can sometimes use less than a fourth of the energy that a normal bulb uses. So, twice as many lights, half the actual energy cost.

It really doesn't matter anyway, the article says the lights are being powered by solar panels.
 
2010-12-01 02:12:31 PM
But LEDs are awesome, and "normal" incandescent bulbs are inferior in pretty much every way beyond short term convenience.
/I don't think they should be banned, but I don't think they should be used either
 
2010-12-01 02:14:02 PM
...LEDs are more than twice as efficient as incandescent Subbarino.
 
2010-12-01 02:17:10 PM
Seriously? Because I have some strings of LED lights up alongside some strings of incandescent lights and...well, let's just say the LED ones are really crazy bright. As in, maybe I should not have put up so many, because it's just possible that my lawn could now double as some sort of aircraft signaling station, bright.
 
2010-12-01 02:18:00 PM
I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.
 
2010-12-01 02:20:40 PM
Barakku: But LEDs are awesome, and "normal" incandescent bulbs are inferior in pretty much every way beyond short term convenience.
/I don't think they should be banned, but I don't think they should be used either


Really? You don't think a bulb that uses a quarter of the energy of incandescent bulbs should be used? Enjoy paying more money on your electric bill.
 
2010-12-01 02:22:06 PM
They also won't need to be replaced nearly as often.

/just one goes out, and BAM! You have to check 15,000 bulbs!
 
2010-12-01 02:22:06 PM
Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?
 
2010-12-01 02:23:06 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Really? You don't think a bulb that uses a quarter of the energy of incandescent bulbs should be used? Enjoy paying more money on your electric bill.

He doesn't think incandescent should be used.
 
2010-12-01 02:33:50 PM
impaler: cameroncrazy1984: Really? You don't think a bulb that uses a quarter of the energy of incandescent bulbs should be used? Enjoy paying more money on your electric bill.

He doesn't think incandescent should be used.


You know, I knew the phrasing sounded a little funny. Thanks.
 
2010-12-01 02:37:32 PM
Jesus christ, subby, think.
 
2010-12-01 02:43:09 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?


I don't think so. I bought two strands and they both looked like miniature halogen headlights off a BMW. One of the houses down the street has some strung up outside that look exactly like them. I'm taking them back to Lowe's because they were NOT cheap.
 
2010-12-01 02:58:07 PM
Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?

I don't think so. I bought two strands and they both looked like miniature halogen headlights off a BMW. One of the houses down the street has some strung up outside that look exactly like them. I'm taking them back to Lowe's because they were NOT cheap.


It could be the brand/manufacturer that's causing the issue. I'm sure there's variance.
 
2010-12-01 03:05:28 PM
SphericalTime: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?

I don't think so. I bought two strands and they both looked like miniature halogen headlights off a BMW. One of the houses down the street has some strung up outside that look exactly like them. I'm taking them back to Lowe's because they were NOT cheap.

It could be the brand/manufacturer that's causing the issue. I'm sure there's variance.


Yeah the whole LED color thing has been solved for a long time...
 
2010-12-01 03:09:10 PM
SphericalTime: It could be the brand/manufacturer that's causing the issue. I'm sure there's variance.

GE, according to the box. Like I said, the colored lights look fine, if bright, but the white ones look sterile.
 
2010-12-01 03:13:18 PM
[implied_facepalm.jpg]
 
2010-12-01 03:16:22 PM
1/2? Used to be the instructions on my incadescent strings said not to hook more than 3 or 4 together to prevent overloading the wires. The LEDs? If I read the label correct I could hook 20 together without a problem. So I'd say they use alot less juice than 1/2 of incandescents
 
2010-12-01 03:22:08 PM
actualhuman: SphericalTime: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?

I don't think so. I bought two strands and they both looked like miniature halogen headlights off a BMW. One of the houses down the street has some strung up outside that look exactly like them. I'm taking them back to Lowe's because they were NOT cheap.

It could be the brand/manufacturer that's causing the issue. I'm sure there's variance.

Yeah the whole LED color thing has been solved for a long time...


Its been solved in that there are now a variety of color temperature options. But its still possible to get a LED light that has that ugly, harsh blue-white.
 
2010-12-01 03:40:29 PM
I'm starting to figure out that only stupid headlines get greenlit. It's like comment bait. farking fark.
 
2010-12-01 03:47:44 PM
I think the whole use of LED's is very affected, but can be effective.
 
#2 [TotalFark]
2010-12-01 03:57:09 PM
"I was only kicking down the Christmas tree to get the star on top."

- Ray Bradbury

\Fun Fact: Tree sap can be removed from the skin by applying Gorilla Glue and pulling.
 
2010-12-01 04:06:06 PM
Most 100 Mini-lite sets draw 50 watts per set...

C7 and C9 LEDs are 25 light sets with the following specs: 0.02 Amps, 2.4 Watts per set.
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Need 8 25 light sets to have twice as many bulbs as a 100 mini-lite set.

8 * 2.4 = 19.2 watts

19.2 watts

Link (new window)
 
2010-12-01 04:08:28 PM
god damn it. Now with proper HTML encoded goodness.

19.2 watts < 50 watts
 
2010-12-01 04:15:59 PM
Done in one
 
2010-12-01 04:33:02 PM
#2:

\Fun Fact: Tree sap can be removed from the skin by applying Gorilla Glue and pulling.



Er, just wash your hands in gasoline. Much easier.
 
2010-12-01 04:56:09 PM
The only way to get the same affect is to insure that the light output is the same. Most lighting experts will council you to take the "green" LED approach. Update the bulbs discretely, though, unless you want to illicit scorn from anti-environmentalists, who tend to loose their composure over things like this. If the populous can't follow their conscience, they should be lead by their pocketbooks. Their are more reasons then you realize for using energy efficient technology.
 
2010-12-01 05:02:48 PM
Effect, not affect.
 
2010-12-01 05:09:25 PM
Quasar: Jesus christ, subby, think.

This gave me a good chuckle, thanks.
 
2010-12-01 05:12:04 PM
seventypercent: The only way to get the same affect is to insure that the light output is the same. Most lighting experts will council you to take the "green" LED approach. Update the bulbs discretely, though, unless you want to illicit scorn from anti-environmentalists, who tend to loose their composure over things like this. If the populous can't follow their conscience, they should be lead by their pocketbooks. Their are more reasons then you realize for using energy efficient technology.

Nice. You had me going until "illicit".
 
2010-12-01 05:30:54 PM
The lights are powered by 364 solar panels.

Bull shiat. It's night in those photos. The only way those are getting powered is if they rigged up a arseload of lead-acid batteries. How much did that cost? What is the environmental impact of that vs just plugging the dammed lights into the wall? To cross over into derp-land and and "power" them by solar panels is just not doing anything productive. You're saving electricity enough by using LEDs and almost certainly wasting scarce resources and causing more environmental harm by doing the solar panel charade.

Don't get me wrong, switching from incandescent to LED makes sense now that it is cost effective for things like Christmas lights. Just like we switched from whale oil, to kerosene, and then to electricity. However, don't do shiat just because you "think" it's "green".
 
2010-12-01 05:33:37 PM
SphericalTime: It really doesn't matter anyway, the article says the lights are being powered by solar panels.

Then they're wasting the power of the Sun!!
 
2010-12-01 05:33:54 PM
Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: I switched out my "traditional" Christmas tree lights with some LEDs this year. The colored lights look okay, but the white ones look like shiat. It's a harsh bright, bluish white like a fluorescent light in a store, not the softer, more yellowish white of the old style. Had to pull some of the old white lights back. Get the color right, and I'm on board.

A bunch of us grandkids got together over the weekend to put up our grandparents' tree this year; it's LED lit and they must have gotten some new lights because we all basically commented on how nice the white was. It was definitely a soft white color. Maybe you got a bad string?

I don't think so. I bought two strands and they both looked like miniature halogen headlights off a BMW. One of the houses down the street has some strung up outside that look exactly like them. I'm taking them back to Lowe's because they were NOT cheap.


BMWs do not have Halogens. HID maybe. 2 different animals. One is a true pure lite with no filament. The other is a burning tungsten filament.
 
2010-12-01 05:35:53 PM
Crosshair: The lights are powered by 364 solar panels.

Bull shiat. It's night in those photos. The only way those are getting powered is if they rigged up a arseload of lead-acid batteries. How much did that cost? What is the environmental impact of that vs just plugging the dammed lights into the wall? To cross over into derp-land and and "power" them by solar panels is just not doing anything productive. You're saving electricity enough by using LEDs and almost certainly wasting scarce resources and causing more environmental harm by doing the solar panel charade.

Don't get me wrong, switching from incandescent to LED makes sense now that it is cost effective for things like Christmas lights. Just like we switched from whale oil, to kerosene, and then to electricity. However, don't do shiat just because you "think" it's "green".


I'm no expert on solar power, and I generally think its a scam so people/the government can act "green"... but I don't think anyone said solar power is cheaper. It just doesn't waste finite resources- resources that are the subject of wars, etc. to boot.

Again, I have no idea how the batteries thing works or whatever.
 
2010-12-01 05:38:24 PM
I bought some LED lights and they're much brighter than my old incandescents which sucks because I liked the dull glow.

Way to go libtard science.
 
2010-12-01 05:41:21 PM
So, Subby, are you trying to tell us that your math skills are bad or your understanding of energy efficiency is bad?
 
2010-12-01 05:41:29 PM
NuttierThanEver: 1/2? Used to be the instructions on my incadescent strings said not to hook more than 3 or 4 together to prevent overloading the wires. The LEDs? If I read the label correct I could hook 20 together without a problem. So I'd say they use alot less juice than 1/2 of incandescents

Yeah, i think i read somewhere that 1 old incandescent christmas tree bulb uses the same as an entire string of LED ones. But that may be an exaggeration, i have no idea where i read that, no citation available.
 
2010-12-01 05:42:02 PM
Nabb1
Then you need to shop around. Noma makes 3 kinds of white LED. Cold - the bluish you mean
Neutral - very white, a little bluish tint
Warm - a very natural warm yellowish white.

I like the cold ones... they fit in when the sky and trees are cold.
 
2010-12-01 05:42:40 PM
There is only one true Christmas bulb - the classic C7.
 
2010-12-01 05:42:59 PM
That's tremendous. And it's that time of year once more, when people on the street ask me for directions to "the tree" and I pretend not to know what they're talking about.
 
2010-12-01 05:43:21 PM
hookedonhouses.net

What "300 strands of lights, 100 individual bulbs per strand, for a grand total of 30,000 imported Italian energy-efficient twinkle lights" may look like.
 
2010-12-01 05:43:59 PM
Crosshair: You're saving electricity enough by using LEDs and almost certainly wasting scarce resources and causing more environmental harm by doing the solar panel charade.

You're probably correct that the solar panels are not directly powering the LEDs. I would guess that it would be more accurate to say "we're offsetting the power usage of our LEDs by contributing a similar amount of solar-generated power to the grid during the peak daytime load when it's actually needed more."
 
2010-12-01 05:44:05 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: [implied_facepalm.jpg]

i.imgur.com
 
2010-12-01 05:44:32 PM
downstairs: Crosshair: The lights are powered by 364 solar panels.

Bull shiat. It's night in those photos. The only way those are getting powered is if they rigged up a arseload of lead-acid batteries. How much did that cost? What is the environmental impact of that vs just plugging the dammed lights into the wall? To cross over into derp-land and and "power" them by solar panels is just not doing anything productive. You're saving electricity enough by using LEDs and almost certainly wasting scarce resources and causing more environmental harm by doing the solar panel charade.

Don't get me wrong, switching from incandescent to LED makes sense now that it is cost effective for things like Christmas lights. Just like we switched from whale oil, to kerosene, and then to electricity. However, don't do shiat just because you "think" it's "green".

I'm no expert on solar power, and I generally think its a scam so people/the government can act "green"... but I don't think anyone said solar power is cheaper. It just doesn't waste finite resources- resources that are the subject of wars, etc. to boot.

Again, I have no idea how the batteries thing works or whatever.


How is solar power a scam? I have a friend totally off the Grid, he hasn't paid for Electricity in 15 years. The batteries are generally a Lead Acid battery similar if not the same as a normal Car battery, just chained up in parallel. It's no mystery.
 
2010-12-01 05:44:37 PM
Crosshair: The lights are powered by 364 solar panels.

Bull shiat. It's night in those photos. The only way those are getting powered is if they rigged up a arseload of lead-acid batteries.


One way to use solar panels is to sell the power they generate during the day, then buy power from the grid at night (at which time the price of power is lower).
 
2010-12-01 05:44:57 PM
Cagey B: seventypercent: The only way to get the same affect is to insure that the light output is the same. Most lighting experts will council you to take the "green" LED approach. Update the bulbs discretely, though, unless you want to illicit scorn from anti-environmentalists, who tend to loose their composure over things like this. If the populous can't follow their conscience, they should be lead by their pocketbooks. Their are more reasons then you realize for using energy efficient technology.

Nice. You had me going until "illicit".


these days "illicit" is about the only thing that does get me going.
 
2010-12-01 05:46:30 PM
SphericalTime: Uh, LEDs can sometimes use less than a fourth of the energy that a normal bulb uses. So, twice as many lights, half the actual energy cost.

Who cares about the number of LEDs vs IC lights.

I want a volume comparison. IE, how many cubic inches of ICs do you need to produce the brightness of a cubic inch of LEDs.
 
2010-12-01 05:46:56 PM
Bought some LED XMas lights several years ago that had that blueish tint to them. The ones I saw in the store recently had a nice yellowish hue.
 
2010-12-01 05:47:20 PM
kmmontandon:

\Fun Fact: Tree sap can be removed from the skin by applying Gorilla Glue and pulling.


Er, just wash your hands in gasoline. Much easier.


Rubbing alcohol works as well, and doesn't require you to clean up your cleaner-upper solvent.
 
2010-12-01 05:47:48 PM
lordargent: SphericalTime: Uh, LEDs can sometimes use less than a fourth of the energy that a normal bulb uses. So, twice as many lights, half the actual energy cost.

Who cares about the number of LEDs vs IC lights.

I want a volume comparison. IE, how many cubic inches of ICs do you need to produce the brightness of a cubic inch of LEDs.


Could you rephrase the question?
 
2010-12-01 05:49:29 PM
lordargent:

Who cares about the number of LEDs vs IC lights.

I want a volume comparison. IE, how many cubic inches of ICs do you need to produce the brightness of a cubic inch of LEDs.


Would you like that in coulombs per bushel, or curies per light-year?
 
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