Huh, I'm a registered donor, but this sorta makes me feel paranoid that the first ambulance may not really do everything they can to save my life. You know, quotas and that. Is there still a choice?

"But I'm not dead!"

Fixed.

How could this possibly be cost effective? Doesn't it cost (you anyway) like $200 when an ambulance is called? Also, why the fark isn't the team in the FIRST ambulance trained to do this? This just sounds amazingly retarded.

This bothers me, but only because I have a paranoid and totally groundless belief that paramedics will let their patient die (and open themselves to serious ethical, professional, and legal consequences). Which is based on a stupid thought experiment I just did.

What the second ambulance team may look like:

Petit_Merdeux: What the second ambulance team may look like:

Harvester of eyes, that's me...

For five months, starting today, when you call an ambulance in Manhattan a second one will be sent out. Waiting, ominously hidden in the shadows, to harvest your organs

You DELICIOUS organs :

I wonder if the aging of the baby boomers will lead to a cry to legalize organ selling?

Terrapin Bound: Petit_Merdeux: What the second ambulance team may look like:

Well now, that's just bigger, innit?

For some reason I'm craving liver and onions.

Terrapin Bound

Is that Wayne Rogers on the right?

/If not it certainly looks like him.

The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card, driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to give consent.

Goddammit so much.

I would like to see some statistics on how many people are organ donors and how many would be organ donors but they're too lazy to register.

Why should anyone give a flying fark what happens to their body after they die?

In fact, I would sell my future dead body for sex if I were paid now. I've heard on the internet that some people are into homosexual necrophilia. No refunds if you die before me. Also in case of homicide the agreement becomes null and void, you sick farking bastard!

More organs!

Hmmm.....I wonder if corpsebook.com is registerd domain.

My idea could have potential:

"In a legal sense, necrophilia is a 'victimless' crime."

After indexing the laws covering necrophilia, Dr Troyer discovered that only four US states have laws explicitly banning necrophilia. The rest have a "hodge-podge" of wording that could cover necrophilia, including crimes against "chastity, morality, decency and good order" in Massachusetts and "unnatural intercourse" in Mississippi.

In those states that do have laws covering necrophilia, the punishment can vary widely. In Nevada, for example, a person who "commits a sexual penetration on the dead body of a human being" can face life imprisonment and a US$20,000 fine.

In Minnesota, however, "whoever carnally knows a dead body or an animal or a bird" faces one year in prison and a US $3,000 fine. (new window)

So how much is my dead ass worth to you? Photos and life expectancy data provided to serious offers only.

The ambulances will have to wait their turn.

GreenAdder: Most of it is hipsters smoking Parliaments

My grandparents smoked Parliaments. I'm pretty sure they weren't hipsters. It didn't kill them either. If I die before the age of 80 I'm going to blame the booze. Grandparents were god-fearing cigarette smoking teatotallers. Both lived well past 80.

Or it could be Fark. Neither of them ever had a home computer or internet access.

downpaymentblues: "But I'm not dead!"

You're not fooling anyone, ya know

Barakku: How could this possibly be cost effective? Doesn't it cost (you anyway) like $200 when an ambulance is called? Also, why the fark isn't the team in the FIRST ambulance trained to do this? This just sounds amazingly retarded.

RTFA

hitchking: This bothers me, but only because I have a paranoid and totally groundless belief that paramedics will let their patient die (and open themselves to serious ethical, professional, and legal consequences). Which is based on a stupid thought experiment I just did.

I like the workaround they have for this - the paramedics don't know the ambulating kidney harvesters are lurking until resuscitation efforts have already failed.

/registered to donate organs but I'm too freaked out to give them my corneas or heart...
//it'll have to be a closed casket funeral for ol' bobbette once they take my skin, bones, blood vessels, and clean out my entire abdomen

I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

Little_Dictator: I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

Are you going to bequeath your tin-foil hat to a loved one or will you insist on being buried wearing it?

Little_Dictator: I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

I used to think that organ donation was a wonderful thing, and that everyone should be a donor. Then I had a conversation with a relative who is adamantly against it, and now I wonder. She was an RN who worked for 15 years in the internal medicine department of one of the biggest hospitals in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then she went to law school and became a lawyer. If someone with that much knowledge and training is very leery about what sort of medical care a potential donor might, or might not, get, then I tend to be leery of it too.

Huggermugger: I used to think that organ donation was a wonderful thing, and that everyone should be a donor. Then I had a conversation with a relative who is adamantly against it, and now I wonder. She was an RN who worked for 15 years in the internal medicine department of one of the biggest hospitals in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then she went to law school and became a lawyer. If someone with that much knowledge and training is very leery about what sort of medical care a potential donor might, or might not, get, then I tend to be leery of it too.

This is pretty much the reason why an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Did your relative explain why she is against it? Would you care to share?

Huggermugger: Little_Dictator: I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

I used to think that organ donation was a wonderful thing, and that everyone should be a donor. Then I had a conversation with a relative who is adamantly against it, and now I wonder. She was an RN who worked for 15 years in the internal medicine department of one of the biggest hospitals in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then she went to law school and became a lawyer. If someone with that much knowledge and training is very leery about what sort of medical care a potential donor might, or might not, get, then I tend to be leery of it too.

Try talking to someone who had a family member saved by donated organs - preferably a child. Then let us know.

Petit_Merdeux: Terrapin Bound: Petit_Merdeux: What the second ambulance team may look like:

Well now, that's just bigger, innit?

Well, bigger, and it also shows an image instead of a hotlink message.
FWIW.

hypocaffeinemia: RNs (and MDs, and so on) aren't immune to being full of paranoid, misinformed personalities. A good 1/3 the staff of my SICU initially refused this year's flu vaccine because they "didn't want to get sick from it". These are otherwise intelligent people, many of whom are board-certified(CCRN).

I tend to be in their camp, though for a different reason. The way the flu vaccines are generated is little more than a crapshoot - the guessing of the capsid proteins means that the chance of them getting the right combination and therefore creating a truly effective vaccine isn't that high, so though I don't avoid flu vaccinations due to "getting sick from it," I do try to avoid them due to "it probably being useless, anyway." Case in point, I was vaccinated this year over a month ago, along with everyone I work with, and now have the flu that's going around. That we all seem to be getting.

Huggermugger: Little_Dictator: I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

I used to think that organ donation was a wonderful thing, and that everyone should be a donor. Then I had a conversation with a relative who is adamantly against it, and now I wonder. She was an RN who worked for 15 years in the internal medicine department of one of the biggest hospitals in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then she went to law school and became a lawyer. If someone with that much knowledge and training is very leery about what sort of medical care a potential donor might, or might not, get, then I tend to be leery of it too.

Nurses and Lawyers can still be dumbasses. A degree doesn't make you smart.

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: More organs!

My Squeedlyspooch!

daveb0rg: Huggermugger: Little_Dictator: I stated in a previous organ donor related thread that I wasn't an organ donor because I didn't want to risk the chance of medical professionals not doing everything they can to save me because they knew they could harvest me for valuable organs. I stand by that.

I used to think that organ donation was a wonderful thing, and that everyone should be a donor. Then I had a conversation with a relative who is adamantly against it, and now I wonder. She was an RN who worked for 15 years in the internal medicine department of one of the biggest hospitals in the Mid-Atlantic region, and then she went to law school and became a lawyer. If someone with that much knowledge and training is very leery about what sort of medical care a potential donor might, or might not, get, then I tend to be leery of it too.

Nurses and Lawyers can still be dumbasses. A degree doesn't make you smart.

Neither does a Fark account, but we still listen to what you have to say.

In a recent thread I was pointing out that they do not wait until the moment of death because (as the article says) the organs begin to deteriorate. Some doctor came on and told me I was wrong, the patient was always dead.

This is an iffy question as the doctors determine what 'dead' means. Heart dead, brain dead, whatever.

Anyway, I'm glad to see we've now taken the extra step and taken the doctor out of the equation (as most ambulances don't carry them). Now an EMT is going to determine wether to save you or harvest you. Hope he's not getting kickbacks.

Sorry to all EMTs out there, I know you do terrific work, but every profession has it's bad apples.

If I'm dead, holy christ yes, use my organs. I don't need them, and I live a clean life so they should be pink and healthy. And the likelihood of doctors letting me die to get those organs is about the same as being struck by a toilet seat falling from space. "The X-Files" was fiction.

bobbette: I like the workaround they have for this - the paramedics don't know the ambulating kidney harvesters are lurking until resuscitation efforts have already failed.

. . . which will become less and less effective if the procedure becomes widespread.

So, to toss out a somewhat trollish question, why not compel inmates on death row to donate their organs? Their choice to live has already been taken away (presumably with sufficient justification, or they shouldn't be there) for the good of society, so why not the organ disposal for the same good of society?

daveb0rg: A degree doesn't make you smart.

CFor example... (new window. Warning, may be hazardous for your upper brain functions)

"To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to be sure that there had been no foul play"

Great. so unless the guy sees a gun, a drunk midget, and a donkey in the house it's all good right?

Ok chief, how do you tell the guy is a victim of arsenic poisoning? "Bububububut...there's no sign of foul play!". Come on now...

honk: So, to toss out a somewhat trollish question, why not compel inmates on death row to donate their organs? Their choice to live has already been taken away (presumably with sufficient justification, or they shouldn't be there) for the good of society, so why not the organ disposal for the same good of society?

Because there would be the question of whether the person was sentenced to die for their crimes or for their organs.

I like how some people are against organ donation but when they need one they're all for that.