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(National Post)   Canada needs to double the size of its military so that other countries will no longer dare to arrest its prominent businessmen   (fullcomment.nationalpost.com) divider line 50
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2010-11-29 10:33:33 AM
fark Conrad "Lord Crybaby" Black. If he loved Canada so much, he shouldn't have given up his passport while calling everyone names as he slammed the door on his way out of Canada into the British House of Lords.
 
2010-11-29 10:41:46 AM
They let this felon write from the National Post? What's next? Are they going to let Paul Bernado give dating advice?

Who the fark cares what he has to say about the Canadian Military, he gave up his Canadian passport to become a Lord Something Something, that's how much he loves Canada.
 
2010-11-29 10:55:02 AM
Convicted felon is convicted.
 
2010-11-29 10:59:19 AM
Pope Larry II: They let this felon write from the National Post? What's next?

Hey! He's Canada's version of William F Buckley - in a toque and mukluks!
 
2010-11-29 01:23:20 PM
Pope Larry II: They let this felon write from the National Post? What's next? Are they going to let Paul Bernado give dating advice?

Who the fark cares what he has to say about the Canadian Military, he gave up his Canadian passport to become a Lord Something Something, that's how much he loves Canada.


His first felony was creating the National Post, so it's willing to have low standards.
 
2010-11-29 02:20:04 PM
I_Am_Weasel: Pope Larry II: They let this felon write from the National Post? What's next? Are they going to let Paul Bernado give dating advice?

Who the fark cares what he has to say about the Canadian Military, he gave up his Canadian passport to become a Lord Something Something, that's how much he loves Canada.

His first felony was creating the National Post, so it's willing to have low standards.


Oh yeah, I forgot that was his little gem.

It's really sad to think he took an corporate empire and dismantled it. His dad is probably rolling in his grave. His dad played a role in building the O'Keefe Centre (now the Sony Centre).
 
2010-11-29 04:25:27 PM
Shut up, Conrad Black, you cock.
 
2010-11-29 04:42:06 PM
While this is a typical blather from Lord Connie, I have to admit to agreeing somewhat - the Canadian Forces needs to be a bigger organization than it is now. Paying for it is the tough part, and with people screaming bloody murder about the government's plan to buy F-35s (apparently we should be flying European planes instead, or something) getting more money to increase the size of the CF is not going to play too well.
(I hate agreeing with the Conservatives on things, it makes my liberal-leaning soul all sticky.)

God Is My Co-Pirate: Shut up, Conrad Black, you cock.

Oh, and that.
 
2010-11-29 04:46:42 PM
This increase in personnel could be deducted, directly or indirectly, from the ranks of the unemployed.

I'm sure Mr. Black also has some more modest proposals he'd like to see implemented.
 
2010-11-29 04:56:42 PM
God Is My Co-Pirate: Shut up, Conrad Black, you cock.
 
2010-11-29 05:01:04 PM
"prominent businessmen"? Plural? There's more than Tim Horton?
 
2010-11-29 05:14:28 PM
I don't know what a Conrad Black is, but based on the vitriol in this thread being spewed from Canuck Farkistan, I'll gather he's somewhere between a Glenn Beck and an Ollie North.
 
2010-11-29 05:17:54 PM
All I see is

"The Canadian Forces are too small to be useful!"

"In any moment the Canadian Forces were needed to assault or defend, they were fierce and successful."

Paraphrasing, but... yeah.
 
2010-11-29 05:19:31 PM
Looks like Lord Criminal has a bit of time to read some history books while in the slammer. Good for him.

Was it just me, or did his little history lesson lead me to think the opposite of his conclusion. We should stabilize our forces, make them sustainable and continue to work with our allies.

We're already going to struggle replacing all of our equipment after Afghanistan, we can't generally afford to double our ranks. Not to mention we already are deep in the red, how does he intend to deal with the billions more this will cost. Add on a no-bid contract or two, and we're heading into a period of military spending likely not seen since Korea.

3rdLostPassword: This increase in personnel could be deducted, directly or indirectly, from the ranks of the unemployed.

I'm sure Mr. Black also has some more modest proposals he'd like to see implemented.


And this.
 
2010-11-29 05:41:57 PM
I'm an ex-CF liberal, so I'm all conflicted about defence spending.

Oh and, "...the Ignatieff Liberals are completely incomprehensible on defence matters"

FTFTFA...
 
2010-11-29 05:45:34 PM
Canada needs a larger army to stop the Soviet Union from invading.
 
2010-11-29 05:49:17 PM
gaslight: fark Conrad "Lord Crybaby" Black. If he loved Canada so much, he shouldn't have given up his passport while calling everyone names as he slammed the door on his way out of Canada into the British House of Lords.

Well, in his defense, the reason he wasn't allowed to become a lord while keeping his canadian citizenship was because Chretien pretty much farking loathed the guy. So, it was more a fark you to Chretien than canada.
 
2010-11-29 05:50:27 PM
www.ajokes.comwww.ajokes.com

Done and done.
 
2010-11-29 06:01:03 PM
Five Tails of Fury: While this is a typical blather from Lord Connie, I have to admit to agreeing somewhat - the Canadian Forces needs to be a bigger organization than it is now. .

Why would we ever need a large army?
 
2010-11-29 06:08:18 PM
Yep. If I were PM, the chances of me taking advice on the military from the likes of Conrad Black would be about the same as the chances of me taking science education advice from Stockwell "The Earth is 6000 Years old and Jesus Rode a Dinosaur" Day.
 
2010-11-29 06:17:59 PM
Conrad Black is kind of like the Rupert Murdoch of Canada, except he started out as one of us and gave up his citizenship. Personally I am much happier with this arrangement.
 
2010-11-29 06:21:56 PM
Edwardo17: Yep. If I were PM, the chances of me taking advice on the military from the likes of Conrad Black would be about the same as the chances of me taking science education advice from Stockwell "The Earth is 6000 Years old and Jesus Rode a Dinosaur" Day.

Well I'm sure Harper thinks much more highly of Black than most of us, and Stockwell is a minister. Sure he's not the science minister, but our science minister was a chiropractor who if I'm not mistaken does not "believe" in evolution. So... I forget what my point was, something along the lines of "we're screwed".
 
2010-11-29 06:24:22 PM
floatablepie: Edwardo17: Yep. If I were PM, the chances of me taking advice on the military from the likes of Conrad Black would be about the same as the chances of me taking science education advice from Stockwell "The Earth is 6000 Years old and Jesus Rode a Dinosaur" Day.

Well I'm sure Harper thinks much more highly of Black than most of us, and Stockwell is a minister. Sure he's not the science minister, but our science minister was a chiropractor who if I'm not mistaken does not "believe" in evolution. So... I forget what my point was, something along the lines of "we're screwed".


Agreed.
 
2010-11-29 06:40:04 PM
Canada needs to double the size of its military

So like, ten guys then?
 
2010-11-29 06:44:28 PM
All his wordiness aside, that's actually a fairly decent analysis of post-WWII Canadian defense policy. One can point the finger of blame in many directions, but any objective look shows that the Canadian military has been shrinking in size and capability since WWII. Whether or not that's in need of correction is where most people begin to differ. He doesn't really explain why we need to bring our defense spending up to that of other nations, he just assumes it and runs with it.

Currently, maintaining a single battle group in combat operations overseas has our army strained to maximum. If you think that capability needs to increase a bit, while maintaining all others, then we have to raise defense spending. If not, then things are fine the way they are. Vote appropriately next federal election.
 
2010-11-29 06:46:51 PM
What is Canada going to do with 5 more soldiers and another tank?
 
2010-11-29 06:53:13 PM
Krack: What is Canada going to do with 5 more soldiers and another tank?

Ok, I love Canada as much as the next guy. But that still made me laugh.
 
2010-11-29 07:01:23 PM
Mrtraveler01: Krack: What is Canada going to do with 5 more soldiers and another tank?

Ok, I love Canada as much as the next guy. But that still made me laugh.


Even though I said it first... Hmmph.
 
2010-11-29 07:02:10 PM
WilderKWight: Mrtraveler01: Krack: What is Canada going to do with 5 more soldiers and another tank?

Ok, I love Canada as much as the next guy. But that still made me laugh.

Even though I said it first... Hmmph.


You made me laugh too.
 
2010-11-29 07:14:33 PM
Bring back Princess Patricia's Corps of Light Infantry!

/not Canadian, but played rugby against PPCLI in Baden Baden.
 
2010-11-29 07:28:37 PM
Canada has the U.S. military to protect it. But keep on biatching bout the size of the U.S. military, non- U.S. citizens.
 
2010-11-29 07:30:46 PM
Pope Larry II:
They let this felon write from the National Post?

Well, if an arrogant douchebag felon is going to write in a newspaper, the Post is the place for him.

El_Swino:
Currently, maintaining a single battle group in combat operations overseas has our army strained to maximum. If you think that capability needs to increase a bit, while maintaining all others, then we have to raise defense spending. If not, then things are fine the way they are. Vote appropriately next federal election.

Boots on the ground in Afghanistan is not remotely what our military should be doing. If we're strained to keep them there, it's because our gov't has them so farking off-mission it's a wonder they're still on the same planet.
 
2010-11-29 07:41:17 PM
yumpizza: Canada has the U.S. military to protect it. But keep on biatching bout the size of the U.S. military, non- U.S. citizens.

Canada doesn't have to fear Invasion from Russia.
Canada doesn't have to fear Invasion from Japan or China or Korea.
Canada doesn't have to fear Invasion from the UK or Ireland or Iceland or Greenland(Denmark).
There really is only one credible source for an invasion and that would require a ridiculous military budget to dissuade.
 
2010-11-29 07:44:59 PM
yumpizza: Canada has the U.S. military to protect it. But keep on biatching bout the size of the U.S. military, non- U.S. citizens.

From one American to another: Shut up, you cock.


Oh & BTW: If you had actually read the whole the thread, you would have noticed that no one was doing that.

But don't let that get in the way of your retarded jingoism.

So to summarize: Shut up, you cock.
 
2010-11-29 07:51:51 PM
www.nanpalmero.com
Just kidding! Just kidding!

We won't let anything happen to Canada, they're our 51st state after all. ;)
 
2010-11-29 07:53:30 PM
Marshal805: yumpizza: Canada has the U.S. military to protect it. But keep on biatching bout the size of the U.S. military, non- U.S. citizens.

From one American to another: Shut up, you cock.


Oh & BTW: If you had actually read the whole the thread, you would have noticed that no one was doing that.

But don't let that get in the way of your retarded jingoism.

So to summarize: Shut up, you cock.


You said cock twice...you must like....oh wait, never mind. ;)
 
2010-11-29 07:56:02 PM
Marshal805: yumpizza: Canada has the U.S. military to protect it. But keep on biatching bout the size of the U.S. military, non- U.S. citizens.

From one American to another: Shut up, you cock.


Oh & BTW: If you had actually read the whole the thread, you would have noticed that no one was doing that.

But don't let that get in the way of your retarded jingoism.

So to summarize: Shut up, you cock.


That was hilarious and also very cool of you.
 
2010-11-29 08:37:11 PM
In other news, Canada has a military.
 
2010-11-29 09:53:26 PM
gimpel: Bring back Princess Patricia's Corps of Canadian Light Infantry!

/not Canadian, but played rugby against PPCLI in Baden Baden.


FTFY. I dunno what you mean by "back", since the PPCLI are still around.

/they are a seriously badass unit
 
2010-11-29 10:10:45 PM
Conrad Black writes that Canada has followed the US militarily even during WWII.

/When Canada entered the war three years before the US.

/What a farking cock he is.
 
2010-11-29 11:03:20 PM
thalidomide new and improved: In other news, Canada has a military.

It's a miracle, after the way Churchill, Brooke and Mountbatten butchered them in WW II.
 
2010-11-30 12:17:53 AM
thalidomide new and improved: In other news, Canada has a military.

It's understandable that you missed us as we entered Afghanistan for you, as you were in such a hurry to get to the Iraq and such as.
 
2010-11-30 01:02:58 AM
We shouldn't have to rely on other countries to defend ourselves. I don't care how peaceful we are. Switzerland has every citizen undergo military training. We should be pulling our own weight.

We can't expect the U.S. to defend the north for us, otherwise they will end up owning it(and all the natural resources it holds).
 
2010-11-30 09:41:40 AM
www.motifake.com
 
2010-11-30 09:41:41 AM
BudTheSpud: We shouldn't have to rely on other countries to defend ourselves. I don't care how peaceful we are. Switzerland has every citizen undergo military training. We should be pulling our own weight.

We can't expect the U.S. to defend the north for us, otherwise they will end up owning it(and all the natural resources it holds).


Came here to say this, which was pointed out in the article. When Russia comes knocking for arctic resources you expect the US to come stand up for Canada without expecting a big chunk in return? Granted Canada almost definitely can't stand toe to toe alone next to Russia if any sort of actual military confrontation actually happened, which is pretty unlikely, but having the forces available to at least back up any claims made without being completely laughed out of the room and without having to run to the US would probably be nice.

Hell, as someone already mentioned, the US is even one of the competitors for control of stuff up there in the first place, even less reason to depend on them for defense of it on Canada's behalf.

/makes sense to me, anyway, just getting people to be willing to pay for it is the issue
 
2010-11-30 09:56:11 AM
You all laugh at the Canadian Navy. However, we have at least one ship that is completely unsinkable:
farm3.static.flickr.com

Yes, that is a commissioned ship in the Canadian Navy.
 
2010-11-30 10:03:16 AM
threedingers: gimpel: Bring back Princess Patricia's Corps of Canadian Light Infantry!

/not Canadian, but played rugby against PPCLI in Baden Baden.

FTFY. I dunno what you mean by "back", since the PPCLI are still around.

/they are a seriously badass unit


Hmmm. I was in Calgary back in ~1997 and there was this huge ceremony of decommissioning. Must have been one of the battalions, or some such.
 
2010-11-30 01:00:32 PM
BudTheSpud: We shouldn't have to rely on other countries to defend ourselves. I don't care how peaceful we are. Switzerland has every citizen undergo military training. We should be pulling our own weight.

We can't expect the U.S. to defend the north for us, otherwise they will end up owning it(and all the natural resources it holds).


How much of the national budget are you prepared to devote to fight off this hypothetical situation where we are defending ourselves from both Russia and America?

Hint: It's more than 100%.
 
2010-11-30 01:51:11 PM
starsrift: BudTheSpud: We shouldn't have to rely on other countries to defend ourselves. I don't care how peaceful we are. Switzerland has every citizen undergo military training. We should be pulling our own weight.

We can't expect the U.S. to defend the north for us, otherwise they will end up owning it(and all the natural resources it holds).

How much of the national budget are you prepared to devote to fight off this hypothetical situation where we are defending ourselves from both Russia and America?

Hint: It's more than 100%.


It's not really a case of being able to 'defend' per se, as you're quite right that a real military confrontation with either, however unlikely, especially in the case of the US, would be a hopeless fight. It's about having enough weight to throw around to actually deter someone, make Russia for instance think twice about the cost of trying to muscle you out without needing to rely almost wholly on the US to do it. It wouldn't take over 100% of the current tax income to do this, but it'd take more than the current Canadian military. Someone brought up Switzerland, they're a much smaller country but no one's messed with them and they've remained mostly neutral because it's not worth the effort it would take to invade. That's the kind of thing I think everyone advocating a larger Canadian Forces is talking about. Don't have to be the biggest kid on the block, just big enough that it's not worth the bigger kids time. Unlike Switzerland though, you can't do that by just arming and training the population at large for a sort of 'rifle behind every blade of grass' thing, because it's not invasion that's threatening Canada, and for the far forseeable future it won't be, it's seizure and control of otherwise uninhabited territory far removed from civilization.

Second largest country by landmass, fairly prosperous, lots of natural resources that are going to get increasingly valuable as time goes by, but relying on another country interested in those same resources for defense? Does that make sense to you?

/again, getting people to pay for it is the issue
//but hey, maybe exchanging some of the rights for US protection would work just as well, I don't know
///makes more sense to at least be somewhat capable of standing on your own given the situation regardless
 
2010-12-02 04:42:14 AM
SoothinglyDeranged: All I see is

"The Canadian Forces are too small to be useful!"

"In any moment the Canadian Forces were needed to assault or defend, they were fierce and successful."

Paraphrasing, but... yeah.


Weve always tried to carry more then our weight in war, and we are no cowards but could you imagine us with a real army and airforce? we could bloody well take over the world. England didnt have a huge army when it ruled the empire, just a professional one.

El_Swino: All his wordiness aside, that's actually a fairly decent analysis of post-WWII Canadian defense policy. One can point the finger of blame in many directions, but any objective look shows that the Canadian military has been shrinking in size and capability since WWII. Whether or not that's in need of correction is where most people begin to differ. He doesn't really explain why we need to bring our defense spending up to that of other nations, he just assumes it and runs with it.

Currently, maintaining a single battle group in combat operations overseas has our army strained to maximum. If you think that capability needs to increase a bit, while maintaining all others, then we have to raise defense spending. If not, then things are fine the way they are. Vote appropriately next federal election.


I rather like you I think, atleast we largely agree. Im personally in favour of increased military spending for a few reasons, increased national pride being the intangible benifit for the nation :P no more of those damned leaky boat canadian navy pics. I thought the assesment was rather well done

Our military is too small, it has been for some time and even among canadians its a joke (despite how touchy we get when others do it ;) and we really do need to expand our naval and air capabilities, as it stands our pilots could all use more time in the cockpit doing training runs and we havent lauched a new ship in over what 10-20 years? As for whos going to pay for it, Harper for all his claims about irresponsible liberal spending, has no issue putting us billions into deficit to fund conservative causes, and the military has been one of them.

Oh and for anyone who says we are wasting our time in Afghanistan I present you exhibit A:
i622.photobucket.com
 
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