What a Picasso might look like

Senator Vreenak would like to verify the authenticity of the works.

Picasso's son sounds like a huge douchebag.

Two alternatives:

1. Finding that many paintings makes Picasso's work just that much less rare. Which is probably why his estate is suing to get authenticity and hope to discredit the paintings.

or

2. The electrician that worked for the Picasso's was slowly lifting paintings off them during his time there.

SHOCKING!

He should have displayed them, and subsequently burned them.

But was he called an asshole?

PiciLeaks.

He used to work for Picasso. My theory: he picked the castoffs out of the trash. These are 271 rejects or preliminary sketches that Picasso never meant to keep.

It sounds like his son is hoping to cash in big.

Wouldn't you think that if the guy had, say, stolen the artwork while working in the house, someone would have noticed almost three hundred pieces missing and said something?

Nakito: he picked the castoffs out of the trash. These are 271 rejects or preliminary sketches that Picasso never meant to keep.

That doesn't sound unlikely. Nice work, Inspector!

Huttah!: But was he called an asshole?


Not like you.

Nakito: He used to work for Picasso. My theory: he picked the castoffs out of the trash. These are 271 rejects or preliminary sketches that Picasso never meant to keep.

That's my guess. It's possible that Picasso was like "Eh, take what you want." People do that all the time with trash.

honk: It sounds like his son is hoping to cash in big.

Wouldn't you think that if the guy had, say, stolen the artwork while working in the house, someone would have noticed almost three hundred pieces missing and said something?

Depends on the wallpaper.

LavenderWolf: Picasso's son sounds like a huge douchebag.

Of course he is! He is French! You empty headed animal food-trough wiper!

these are almost certainly stolen. The son's reasoning makes sense. What does not make sense: why does a retired "electrician" hold onto 40-60 million euro's worth of art for 50 + years? To let it cool off.
/no, this does not diminish the value of remaining Picasso's. Supply/Demand does not apply to this end of the art market. Picasso is already one of the most prolific artists known, and had 5 of the top 10 prices at auction.
//Also high unlikely Cubist collages are going to be in a garbage can in Picasso's house. These things had considerable value even in the 30's.
///a member of the art market.

HellRaisingHoosier: Two alternatives:

1. Finding that many paintings makes Picasso's work just that much less rare. Which is probably why his estate is suing to get authenticity and hope to discredit the paintings.

or

2. The electrician that worked for the Picasso's was slowly lifting paintings off them during his time there.

While I agree there might be something fishy about this, I would like to point out that Picasso was very prolific. So prolific that I will be inheriting a sketch done by him of my grandmother. My dad had it appraised back in the 80's and it was worth about $10k. Not too bad for about ten minutes of an artist's time. As to this 'finding', I am guessing that the art was acquired under unusual circumstances. Maybe in payment for a debt? Maybe he foreclosed/evicted the tennant on some property that Picasso was using and kept the contents.

water00boy: these are almost certainly stolen.

Or fake...

honk:
Wouldn't you think that if the guy had, say, stolen the artwork while working in the house, someone would have noticed almost three hundred pieces missing and said something?

Picasso produced huge bodies of substandard work once he discovered people would buy anything if he signed it. Over 70 years he produced 50,000 works, so 271 is only 4 months work.

Marley'sGirl: Nakito: He used to work for Picasso. My theory: he picked the castoffs out of the trash. These are 271 rejects or preliminary sketches that Picasso never meant to keep.

That's my guess. It's possible that Picasso was like "Eh, take what you want." People do that all the time with trash.

According to TFA these are pieces from the early 1900s and his most important period artistically. My guess is that the man literally had books upon books of work from throughout his career and passed them out like tic-tacs rather than tipping his help. I wish I can remember the artist but there was a FA not too long ago of a mail man or someone that did work for a famous artist and when he was expecting a tip for the holidays or a bill payment or something the artist would leave him a few small drawings and canvases instead. The guy would throw every one of them away. It wasn't until years later did he learn who this artist was and that had he kept the drawings he would've had some great fortune.

Subby:

I see what you did there.

Maybe it was a situation where Picasso offered the man a picture as a gift for the work he did on the houses, but the man's reaction may have been meh. So as a joke Picasso kept giving the man pictures knowing he hated them and the man kept accepting them because he didn't want to lose his job.

Huttah!: But was he called an asshole?

Not like you.

And now the oblig youtube link for every Picasso thread.

3D Guernica (new window)

And now for something completely different. (new window)

dcigary: LavenderWolf: Picasso's son sounds like a huge douchebag.

No kidding.

"Hey, here's a whole trove of unpublished works by your father that he gave to us. Pretty cool, huh?"

"Yes, very cool. Here's a lawsuit. Pretty cool, huh?"

FTA: Picasso Administration lawyer Jean-Jacques Neuer...Neuer filed suit on behalf of Picasso's heirs

Judging from This (new window), the heir situation is a bit tricky and it's not just Claude.

theotherbilly: Maybe it was a situation where Picasso offered the man a picture as a gift for the work he did on the houses, but the man's reaction may have been meh. So as a joke Picasso kept giving the man pictures knowing he hated them and the man kept accepting them because he didn't want to lose his job.


If this was the case, why would he have kept them for so long without telling anyone? Like someone had already pointed out, these were worth a fortune even as early as the 30's. Why would this man who was a an electrician (I am pretty sure he was not well off) wait until he is just about dead before trying to sell even a single one of them?

Petit_Merdeux: Not like you.

Note to self: Read the thread before posting.

/That was a GREAT concert.

The Onanist: Note to self: Read the thread before posting.


Remember: Nothing is obscure on Fark.

I guess the admins finally got the joke.

meer markt: Judging from This (new window), the heir situation is a bit tricky and it's not just Claude.

Of course. Sam Picasso needs his, too.

Petit_Merdeux: Remember: Nothing is obscure on Fark.

Oh, I know that, I was just late to the party and forgot to read the thread.

water00boy: these are almost certainly stolen. The son's reasoning makes sense. What does not make sense: why does a retired "electrician" hold onto 40-60 million euro's worth of art for 50 + years? To let it cool off.


Or it could be that the family has been comprised of douchebags making their money off of a dead family members contributions.

And knowing this it would make sense that rather than deal with them, an electrician that was gifted these items would hang onto them quietly. Of course, now that they're getting older they're the last relevant live link to the trove of artwork and possess and the most likely able to prove they're relevant so that the next generation of their family can do with them what they see fit and not deal with said previously mentioned douchebags.

I respect your educated and experienced voice in the discussion. but you're forgetting the fact that douchebags can and will exist on both sides of the discussion.

Heh, nice one subby

Taxes and security against burglary.

Two reasons to shut the fark up about valuables.

ne2d: I guess the admins finally got the joke.

Perhaps the admins can fill me in on the joke because it has eluded me.

daveb0rg: ne2d: I guess the admins finally got the joke.

Perhaps the admins can fill me in on the joke because it has eluded me.

Picachu was a well known Cube.

NaziKamikaze: Subby:

I see what you did there.

Oh, so you know fifth grade math and have a passing familiarity with general knowledge art terminology too, huh? You're so awesome you should take up two spaces when you park your car.

Nakito: He used to work for Picasso. My theory: he picked the castoffs out of the trash. These are 271 rejects or preliminary sketches that Picasso never meant to keep.

That's what I'm thinking, also.

water00boy: these are almost certainly stolen. The son's reasoning makes sense. What does not make sense: why does a retired "electrician" hold onto 40-60 million euro's worth of art for 50 + years? To let it cool off.
/no, this does not diminish the value of remaining Picasso's. Supply/Demand does not apply to this end of the art market. Picasso is already one of the most prolific artists known, and had 5 of the top 10 prices at auction.
//Also high unlikely Cubist collages are going to be in a garbage can in Picasso's house. These things had considerable value even in the 30's.
///a member of the art market.

Why would a thief go to the son of the guy he stole from? Why not the black market?

Brilliant one Subby, it almost made me go blue!

shucherfase: NaziKamikaze: Subby:

I see what you did there.

Oh, so you know fifth grade math and have a passing familiarity with general knowledge art terminology too, huh? You're so awesome you should take up two spaces when you park your car.

The key is in connecting the two, not understanding them individually. Third graders know what electricity and DNA are but it took really smart people to realize DNA can conduct electricity and even smarter people to realize what you can do with that knowledge. Do you know without Google?

No, I'm not saying it takes a genius to figure out the cubism connection

shucherfase: NaziKamikaze: Subby:

I see what you did there.

Oh, so you know fifth grade math and have a passing familiarity with general knowledge art terminology too, huh? You're so awesome you should take up two spaces when you park your car.

Not to mention that it's been done enough times in headlines that it's pretty much a fark cliche by now.

Grass Hopper: Why would a thief go to the son of the guy he stole from? Why not the black market?

Because art isn't authentic unless the experts agree it's authentic. There's a pretty famous story about a woman finding a long-lost Jackson Pollock, having a fingerprint on the painting matched to a fingerprint on a can of paint from Jackson Pollock's studio, and still being dismissed by the experts.

Reality in the art world is consensus based, not fact based. Those people are all certifiable.

I was told there would be no math...