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(The New York Times)   "The [TSA] pat-down story was the equivalent of vaporware - it seemed as if something huge was about to happen, but it turned out that it was a story about a story, the noisy, fervent sound of a news system feeding on itself"   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2010-11-29 10:20:00 AM  
Was hoping to see a greenlight about this sooner or later.

Media really seems to be harping on the "Opt-Out day epic failure, you all got riled up about nothing lololol" angle.
 
2010-11-29 10:41:58 AM  
Yes, i'm sure that is exactly what the Powers That Be would like us to believe. 'go back to sleep' they tell us...'nothing to see here' is the prepared story.

But I don't think so.
 
2010-11-29 10:52:52 AM  
The real (non-)story is that dinosaur journalism doesn't know how to interpret online trends. The New York Times doesn't get to diminish public concerns because the opt-out hoopla didn't materialize in a way that looks good on live CNN.
 
2010-11-29 10:55:18 AM  

Lumpmoose: The real (non-)story is that dinosaur journalism doesn't know how to interpret online trends. The New York Times doesn't get to diminish public concerns because the opt-out hoopla didn't materialize in a way that looks good on live CNN.


that, and I think our mainstream news brothers really don't like it when the peasants get uppity. they've been mocking air travelers over TSA gate rape since this whole thing started.
 
2010-11-29 11:05:58 AM  
Just because not many people chose to be assholes on the busiest travel day of the year doesn't mean they aren't still pissed.

Sadly, I think we will acquiesce to gate rape just like we did to liquids and shoes. It's pathetic and horrible at the same time.
 
2010-11-29 11:09:40 AM  

Calmamity: Just because not many people chose to be assholes on the busiest travel day of the year doesn't mean they aren't still pissed.

Sadly, I think we will acquiesce to gate rape just like we did to liquids and shoes. It's pathetic and horrible at the same time.


Oh of course we will. the press will keep telling us that nobody else is outraged, and that we were silly to put up a fuss. 'go back to sleep' will be the message and in a lot of cases it'll work....people will assume that they're isolated and alone in their objections and won't want to be the only person who complains.

pretty neat, when you think about it. corporate and government propaganda is still around because it works quite well to keep people calm.
 
2010-11-29 12:02:19 PM  
It seems the TSA decided to turn off the scanners and revert to the 'standard' pat-down for the holiday travelers:

Link (new window)

"Early reports began to pour in from Twitter users who said that body scanner machines were roped off and out of use in airports such as LAX, Seattle, San Jose and Columbus, Ohio. They also said that pat downs had reverted back to the standard procedure and were not the new grope downs that the TSA had announced a couple of weeks before.

The New Jersey Star-Ledger subsequently reported that, "The majority of Newark's full-body scanners were idle throughout much of the day, depriving most passengers of the chance to opt out of the controversial screening procedure even if they had wanted to."

At the nation's busiest airport, Atlanta-Hartsfield, there was,"limited, if any, use of the controversial full-body scanners," the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had "backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures - metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs."
 
2010-11-29 12:03:30 PM  

Weaver95: pretty neat, when you think about it. corporate and government propaganda is still around because it works quite well to keep people calm.


Always has, at least since the invention of the printing press.
That's why uprisings, revolutions, rebellions, coups, etc target newspapers, radio, and TV stations right off the bat.
 
2010-11-29 12:03:58 PM  
So now I have to ride the train if I wanted to get fondled then? Damn you TSA, for not replicating my hobo fondling experience.
 
2010-11-29 12:05:50 PM  
An "opt out day" is not what needs to happen anyway. Instead, everybody should opt out, 100% of the time. If it screws up lines, too bad -- that's the point.

/flying to oklahoma in a couple of weeks, WILL opt out if i'm selected
 
2010-11-29 12:05:50 PM  
I love how the NYT lists reasons the story matters to people, but never does it say, "What the TSA is doing is wrong, both morally and logically, and what the TSA wants you to believe is a sound argument, is not even valid." Nope, the NYT is the TSA's best PR machine yet.
 
2010-11-29 12:06:14 PM  
My God.

Drew is trolling the news. That's what those 10 TSA greenlights in one day was about.

He is showing the news media that what they are reporting is NOT NEWS. Which is what his book was about! www.deviantart.com
 
2010-11-29 12:06:22 PM  
There are a lot of lawsuits in the works, coming from people who can afford to pursue them. This isn't going away. And people are not going to acquiesce when their own kids are getting felt up.
 
2010-11-29 12:07:50 PM  

Calmamity: Just because not many people chose to be assholes on the busiest travel day of the year doesn't mean they aren't still pissed.

Sadly, I think we will acquiesce to gate rape just like we did to liquids and shoes. It's pathetic and horrible at the same time.


Actually, it may be backward:

FTA: 80 percent of Americans traveling were still encountering the same procedures that have been in place for years.

There are already people saying that the TSA backed down on the scanners and gaterape on Thanksgiving weekend, leaving people with nothing to opt-out against. Then report there were no opt-outs.

Link (new window)
 
2010-11-29 12:08:02 PM  
Media drove the farking story hard. Just in the opposite direction as they'd have you believe.

CBS printed a pro-TSA poll as soon as the Tyner recording came out. ABC came out with another pro-TSA poll later.

Now the media, which never criticized the constitutional validity or efficacy of the TSA's new techniques, is criticizing a straw media which never existed for blowing the story out of proportion.
 
2010-11-29 12:08:13 PM  
As much as I don't like being groped, I also don't want to be arrested or kicked out of the airport. Any stance I took on this screening was internet tough guy talk. There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.
 
2010-11-29 12:08:46 PM  

ferretman: Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had "backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures - metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs."


But how will that keep us safe from the almost non-existent threats?
 
2010-11-29 12:08:55 PM  
They were using the rapeyscans at Nashville, but that airport has always leaned a little towards the fascist side.

/Opted for a pat down
//No one involved was happy about it
 
2010-11-29 12:10:05 PM  

squeez cheez: There are a lot of lawsuits in the works, coming from people who can afford to pursue them. This isn't going away. And people are not going to acquiesce when their own kids are getting felt up.


I'm just not flying with my kids, which means I get to feed my mother's hatred of Obama, since she's in Michigan and her grandkids are in Oregon, and she's sure to blame him.

I'm not flying except as I need to for work, and I will try to drive as often as possible or take the train (although train stations may get them soon, cause lord knows terrorists have blown up US trains recently)
 
2010-11-29 12:10:30 PM  

Troy McClure: There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.


My principles are worth far more than $800. Yours aren't, apparently.
 
2010-11-29 12:11:43 PM  
It shows that d-bags shouting "rape!" in internet chat rooms won't actually do anything in real life to stand up for themselves. Not terribly surprising.
 
2010-11-29 12:13:28 PM  

AntiNorm: Troy McClure: There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.

My principles are worth far more than $800. Yours aren't, apparently.


How much more, Norm? Will you take a check? ;)
 
2010-11-29 12:14:09 PM  
Internet outrage pouts, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

/I may have lifted that last part
 
2010-11-29 12:15:30 PM  
it turned out that it was a story about a story, the noisy, fervent sound of a news system feeding on itself

Isn't this basically every story in the Politics tab? Some minor piece of news makes it onto the wire, then some troll writes an op-ed or a blog post that blows it all out of proportion, then a bunch of other trolls see that and post about how wrong troll #1 is, and then more trolls respond saying how terrible it is that the vast left-/ right-wing conspiracy is ganging up on poor little troll #1, until no one knows what the facts are anymore.
 
2010-11-29 12:15:55 PM  
A boy and a balloon....

Nothing more needs said about today's news media.

Unless you can picture in your mind the anchor with his / her head in the ground and the "news" coming from their hind quarters.
 
2010-11-29 12:16:04 PM  

Weaver95: Calmamity: Just because not many people chose to be assholes on the busiest travel day of the year doesn't mean they aren't still pissed.

Sadly, I think we will acquiesce to gate rape just like we did to liquids and shoes. It's pathetic and horrible at the same time.

Oh of course we will. the press will keep telling us that nobody else is outraged, and that we were silly to put up a fuss. 'go back to sleep' will be the message and in a lot of cases it'll work....people will assume that they're isolated and alone in their objections and won't want to be the only person who complains.

pretty neat, when you think about it. corporate and government propaganda is still around because it works quite well to keep people calm.


Ya know, at least in Brave New World they had some awesome drugs to keep people dumb and happy. It really would make the inevitable much more bearable.
 
2010-11-29 12:16:51 PM  
The columnist's email is at the end of the article.

Please write to him and ask if he had heard of the turn off scanners policy that day. And ask what he found and to follow up on that.

(trying out fark from phone. Not bad. Still hate phone keyboards....)
 
2010-11-29 12:19:49 PM  
Perhaps this will be the discrete compromise reached between the TSA and the public.

Yes, the new scanners and enhanced groping are options, but they will not be used consistently.

The most effective security measures for this sort of thing are the ones that a would-be terrorist cannot predict. Random security measures are part of the playbook for any security operation.

By not using them regularly, but still having an option, the TSA can balance the more effective but more intrusive and perhaps dangerous (radiation exposure) methods with more palatable measures to achieve an overall improvement in security without pissing off the public too much.

It's not perfect, but it beats the option of using the invasive measures all the time (which might likewise diminish their effectiveness due to complacency).
 
2010-11-29 12:21:23 PM  

Troy McClure: As much as I don't like being groped, I also don't want to be arrested or kicked out of the airport. Any stance I took on this screening was internet tough guy talk. There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.


That's right too. Opt out is great. Protest is great. But is today the day to get on the no fly list?
to be over the to, how many people in society russia protested their police searches?
 
2010-11-29 12:22:15 PM  
I'm hoping that when some highfalutin business man gets popped for coke or pot in his drawers and uses the warrentless search argument we will see the reasonableness of these searches go to the Supreme Court.

Because I really don't think most Real'mericans get what an unreasonable search is and why it is so offensive.
 
2010-11-29 12:22:53 PM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Was hoping to see a greenlight about this sooner or later.

Media really seems to be harping on the "Opt-Out day epic failure, you all got riled up about nothing lololol" angle.


The day before Thanksgiving, we received thinly-veiled warnings from TSA officials and media about how protestors will cause others to miss flights. Both KOMO and KIRO, local affiliates here in the Seattle area, did their best to play down the idea of some fanciful "protest" happening at SeaTac.

On Thanksgiving, we had KOMO camping out at SeaTac, reporting on how nothing happened and how this was such a good thing. Interviews with people thankful they weren't delayed from getting on their flights. Lots of chatter about how nice it was that things "went smoothly."

At least in this area, the media didn't hype it - they did quite the opposite, in fact, attempting to quash any public support for protestors. The approach was very Stalinesque, what with all the praise for the trains flights running on time and no one rocking the boat.

Chalker1123: It shows that d-bags shouting "rape!" in internet chat rooms won't actually do anything in real life to stand up for themselves. Not terribly surprising.


It also shows that the d-bags not shouting "rape!" in internet chat rooms won't actually do anything in real life to stand up for themselves, either. And, again, not terribly surprising.
 
2010-11-29 12:23:12 PM  
I'm supposed to be taking a number of trips 600 miles away over the next few months. I will drive. I don't even like being told to take off my shoes to prove I'm not packing bombs. It's obnoxious, self-serving, and disrespectful; treating people like cattle in a stockyard.

I enjoy driving, anyway, and ten hours each way is hardly more time, considering you have to spend half a day in the airport in order to subject yourself to the dullwitted safety patrol. I'm angry for the people who have no choice but to submit to it.

The NYT can giggle over their own excesses, but the guy with piss all over himself, and the woman who had to pull out her prosthetic breast, and the people whose toddlers were groped are not laughing.
 
2010-11-29 12:26:30 PM  

Lumpmoose: The real (non-)story is that dinosaur journalism doesn't know how to interpret online trends. The New York Times doesn't get to diminish public concerns because the opt-out hoopla didn't materialize in a way that looks good on live CNN.


Translation: A bunch of self-important bloggers went "DERP! DE DERP DERP!!"
People who don't spend 23 hours a day online: 'Meh'.

Sorry, but it's true.
 
2010-11-29 12:27:33 PM  
www.cagle.com
 
2010-11-29 12:28:41 PM  

lilistonic: I'm supposed to be taking a number of trips 600 miles away over the next few months. I will drive. I don't even like being told to take off my shoes to prove I'm not packing bombs. It's obnoxious, self-serving, and disrespectful; treating people like cattle in a stockyard.

I enjoy driving, anyway, and ten hours each way is hardly more time, considering you have to spend half a day in the airport in order to subject yourself to the dullwitted safety patrol. I'm angry for the people who have no choice but to submit to it.

The NYT can giggle over their own excesses, but the guy with piss all over himself, and the woman who had to pull out her prosthetic breast, and the people whose toddlers were groped are not laughing.


Consider sending receipts of your trip to your favorite airline, and too various public officials of your choice.
 
2010-11-29 12:28:52 PM  

AntiNorm: Troy McClure: There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.

My principles are worth far more than $800. Yours aren't, apparently.


If you gave me $800 and flew my where I needed to go in a private jet, I'd stand up for my principles in ways you wouldn't believe.
 
2010-11-29 12:30:02 PM  

Nuclear Monk: perhaps dangerous (radiation exposure) methods with more palatable measures


Since when is "unlikeable" the problem with radiation? You are wrong. What you are suggesting is rather violent - to make people like being irradiated. This is not about cell phones, it is about x-rays. Opinion is not important.
 
2010-11-29 12:30:41 PM  
I'm going to weigh in on the side of "mainstream media fellating the TSA". None of the major outlets, and darn few of the minor ones, bothered with the reports of the backscatter machines being offline. While I sat outside Atlanta this weekend a local news crew was interviewing passengers on the way in. They interviewed four or five in a row who were irate and upset about the procedures, and one who said that anything in the name of safety and security was fine with her. This morning the only news footage I saw was of the sheeple who were "Rah rah take away my rights in the name of security". Nowhere were the dissenters presented in anything other than the light of "lunatic fringe". *dons tinfoil hat* It really is almost as if there's a concerted effort to make us think that everyone's really okay with this, and that it's a non-issue. Of course, the more we're shown and told that it is, the more we're likely to adjust our perceptions to believe that it IS a non-issue in order to fit in with the rest of the herd, and the TSA quietly, without a fuss, gets what they want. And one more hard-fought-for, hard-won right goes gently swirling down the commode of "ease" and "convenience" and "pseduo-safety". The ultimate goal here seems to be nothing short of conditioning people to accept any and all improper intrusions. Unfortunately, most of us will go blissfully along, and one day the phrase "Your papers, please, citizen." won't even make us blink.
 
2010-11-29 12:34:05 PM  
As much as I don't like being groped, I also don't want to be arrested or kicked out of the airport. Any stance I took on this screening was internet tough guy talk. There's no way I'm going to throw away $800 tickets all because of some 4th amendment rights BS.

Every man has his price, and every man is thus a whore, myself included.

But dude $800? you're one very cheap whore.

I ain't that cheap.

/opting out
// still a whore. still got my price
/// TSA can't afford my price.
 
2010-11-29 12:34:20 PM  

Madbassist1: Lumpmoose: The real (non-)story is that dinosaur journalism doesn't know how to interpret online trends. The New York Times doesn't get to diminish public concerns because the opt-out hoopla didn't materialize in a way that looks good on live CNN.

Translation: A bunch of self-important bloggers went "DERP! DE DERP DERP!!"
People who don't spend 23 hours a day online: 'Meh'.

Sorry, but it's true.


Which one is Jeffrey Rosen?

Why the TSA pat-downs and body scans are unconstitutional (new window)
 
2010-11-29 12:35:22 PM  

ferretman: It seems the TSA decided to turn off the scanners and revert to the 'standard' pat-down for the holiday travelers:

Link (new window)

"Early reports began to pour in from Twitter users who said that body scanner machines were roped off and out of use in airports such as LAX, Seattle, San Jose and Columbus, Ohio. They also said that pat downs had reverted back to the standard procedure and were not the new grope downs that the TSA had announced a couple of weeks before.

The New Jersey Star-Ledger subsequently reported that, "The majority of Newark's full-body scanners were idle throughout much of the day, depriving most passengers of the chance to opt out of the controversial screening procedure even if they had wanted to."

At the nation's busiest airport, Atlanta-Hartsfield, there was,"limited, if any, use of the controversial full-body scanners," the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had "backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures - metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs."


Actually that's a pretty smart move, turning off the scanners for the holiday thwarted any ability for protesters to cause problems. Then having thier contacts in the media trumpet the 'failure' of the protest will ensure that no one will take any further protests of the TSA seriously. Sure it confirms what we have known all along and that the scanners are just security theater (after all, if they were really that important to national security they would have them on regardless of opinion), but who cares about that?
 
2010-11-29 12:37:53 PM  

ferretman: It seems the TSA decided to turn off the scanners and revert to the 'standard' pat-down for the holiday travelers:

Later reports confirmed that, the TSA had "backed down and resorted to using the old screening procedures - metal detectors and less-intrusive pat-downs.


I'm surprised that dozens of airplanes weren't hijacked, leaving us all cowering in flaming wreckage.
 
2010-11-29 12:38:04 PM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Was hoping to see a greenlight about this sooner or later.

Media really seems to be harping on the "Opt-Out day epic failure, you all got riled up about nothing lololol" angle.


Then there is also the convenient fact that a lot of airports reverted to old screening measures for the holidays.
 
2010-11-29 12:38:41 PM  
The reason the outrage isn't greater is because most of the traveling public has not been subjected to it.

Wait til the Ma and Pa Kettles get groped and/or radiated. Wait until Suzy Creamcheese sees the TSA folks fondle her grandmother's boobs and reach into her crotch.

This issue isn't going away, it will just build via a slow boil.
 
2010-11-29 12:40:10 PM  
"The [TSA] pat-down story was the equivalent of vaporware - it seemed as if something huge was about to happen, but it turned out that it was a story about a story, the noisy, fervent sound of a news system feeding on itself"

Oh that? Other than being Taught To Submit, nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2010-11-29 12:40:11 PM  
b>ferretman: It seems the TSA decided to turn off the scanners and revert to the 'standard' pat-down for the holiday travelers:


Well that's nice, I'm pretty sure even most TSA folk feel uncomfortable fishing around in adults underpants, let alone children. I also know I'll do some pretty unsavory things to keep my own job, and to visit my dad on the other side of the Country.
Still think strip searches should require a warrant...you know to make sure only actual suspects get them.
 
2010-11-29 12:43:16 PM  
TSA.......We handle more packages than UPS!
It's not a grope.....it's a freedom pat.
We are now free to move about your pants.
Can't see London
Cant see France
Unless we see your underpants.
 
2010-11-29 12:44:17 PM  

got2av8: Nowhere were the dissenters presented in anything other than the light of "lunatic fringe".


did you expect it to be different? of course the mainstream news was going to portray any TSA protest as only coming from the 'lunatic fringe'. they're playing nice with the Fed.
 
2010-11-29 12:50:05 PM  
My holiday travel.

IAD on Tuesday - Went through normal TSA screen in about 5 minutes.
MUC on Wednesday - Was on one of the early international flights. Through metal detector and x-ray in about 1 minute
IST on Sunday - Went though security (metal detector and x-ray) twice.
FRA on Sunday - Got flagged after I went through metal detector and x-ray. Got a pat down from what was probably a random selection. Had an amusing conversation in German with the police officer that escorted me. Seems that the Germans don't think too much of their security procedures.
IAD on Sunday - Long lines to get through immigration and customs but no back scatter or pat downs.

TL;DR version: Only fondled in Germany.
 
2010-11-29 12:52:07 PM  

Lumpmoose: The real (non-)story is that dinosaur journalism doesn't know how to interpret online trendsADHD.


FTFY.
 
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