You know, it kind of makes one wonder who the real terrorists are. It really does.

Hell yeah! That's the way we do it in America! Quick, let's bomb their houses too, there might be some people living there that haven't wanted to become terrorists yet.

What do pube wigs have to do with anything?

hazeleyedwolff: What do pube wigs have to do with anything?

What don't they, commie?

Relatively Obscure: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: You know, it kind of makes one wonder who the real terrorists are. It really does.

Not really. Both of these kind of qualify, though I'd suggest the bomb plot was the "worse" of the two, I guess.

Assholes everywhere. Yay.

Really? The guy who didn't hurt anyone and never was a threat because he didn't have a bomb was worse than the people who destroyed an actual building full of people who did nothing wrong?

Gah, not full of, but what I meant was a building for people who did nothing wrong.

GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: You know, it kind of makes one wonder who the real terrorists are. It really does.

Not really. Both of these kind of qualify, though I'd suggest the bomb plot was the "worse" of the two, I guess.

Assholes everywhere. Yay.

Really? The guy who didn't hurt anyone and never was a threat because he didn't have a bomb was worse than the people who destroyed an actual building full of people who did nothing wrong?

Weak troll.

I'll bet a lot of people are slapping themselves in the head right now, thinking, "Why didn't we go and burn down Timothy McVeigh's church?"

GAT_00: Really? The guy who didn't hurt anyone and never was a threat because he didn't have a bomb was worse than the people who destroyed an actual building full of people who did nothing wrong?

You don't think he was a threat?

oldebayer: I'll bet a lot of people are slapping themselves in the head right now, thinking, "Why didn't we go and burn down Timothy McVeighDavid Koresh's church?"

Asked and answered.

downpaymentblues: You don't think he was a threat?

I think he stopped being a threat once the FBI sold him a fake bomb. These people who burned the mosque are the biggest threat by far now. And if he couldn't tell that he had a fake bomb, I don't think he was a real threat to make a real one on his own.

GAT_00: downpaymentblues: You don't think he was a threat?

I think he stopped being a threat once the FBI sold him a fake bomb. These people who burned the mosque are the biggest threat by far now. And if he couldn't tell that he had a fake bomb, I don't think he was a real threat to make a real one on his own.

I can't say the only way he was a threat was with a bomb.

GaryPDX: Dude, I live here. This kid was never a threat for even one second.

What's this, the associative theory of competence? That might come in handy. So since I lived on the Atlantic coast, that gives me automatic proficiency in hurricane forecasting?

downpaymentblues: I can't say the only way he was a threat was with a bomb.

Ah, you clearly know quite a bit about this kid. Maybe you should talk to the FBI, in case there is anything they don't know about. Or you can quit being a tough guy when you know nothing.

GaryPDX: Bathia_Mapes: GaryPDX: This whole deal stinks of manufacture. This kid had no contact with anyone but the FBI. They manufactured the whole thing and led him down the path. They gave him money to pay his rent. This kid is a victim of manufactured thought crime.

You're so full of shiat that you squeek. Why don't you get your facts straight before posting blatant lies.

Dude, I live here. This kid was never a threat for even one second.

What if he had taken money away from the IRS because he made $60k a year?

Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Really? The guy who didn't hurt anyone and never was a threat because he didn't have a bomb was worse than the people who destroyed an actual building full of people who did nothing wrong?

Wait.. maybe I misread. Was the building actually full of people at the time of the arson?

If so, then that'd need consideration.

As for the "didn't hurt anyone" crap, whatever. It wasn't his fault he didn't hurt anyone, so he doesn't get much credit for failing to hurt people.

No, I just completely mistyped. There's nothing mentioned about the building being occupied, and since it was discovered by a passing cop rather than someone inside, I think it can be assumed the building was empty.

GAT_00: downpaymentblues: I can't say the only way he was a threat was with a bomb.

Ah, you clearly know quite a bit about this kid. Maybe you should talk to the FBI, in case there is anything they don't know about. Or you can quit being a tough guy when you know nothing.

How does my comment equate to being a tough guy?

I'm merely pointing out that he could have easily taken a semi-automatic weapon to the crowded festival had he not mistakenly emailed the wrong person and made it on to the FBI's radar.

What do you know that I don't regarding this situation that affords you the higher ground and personal attack?

RobertBruce: Relatively Obscure: RobertBruce: This kid was set up pure and simple.

Sniff. That poor child.

go torch another mosque

Is that really the only two options to you? If you question the arrest you are someone who wants to torch Mosque's?

RobertBruce: This kid was set up pure and simple.

Yes, he was set up when he actively seeked a bomb for use. Do you think the FBI walked up to him and went "Hey, want to bomb that Christmas tree ceremony? I've got a bomb you can use" and he went "LOL sure."

Relatively Obscure: Okay, no problem. Then I still consider the attempted bombing "worse," I guess. I mean, both things suck pretty hard, but a failed attempt to take lives is, I think, usually worse than successful property damage. Not in outcome, but in general assholishness (take THAT, spellcheck).

Like I said, being that incompetent argues he wasn't that much of a threat. Not to mention that trying to torch the mosque could motivate someone into continuing the cycle, which is why I argue the arsonists are a higher threat.

downpaymentblues: I'm merely pointing out that he could have easily taken a semi-automatic weapon to the crowded festival

I don't know why anyone hasn't done anything like this yet. There are plenty of vulnerable points that you can do damage to and pretty easily get away with it.

downpaymentblues: How does my comment equate to being a tough guy?

It read like one. I think it was the 'I can't say' which implies that you knew more.

Relatively Obscure: Okiedoke. I ain't mad atcha for it.

Yeah, we're just difference in opinion here. It's all good, and FWIW, the kid was a higher threat until he got the fake bomb. After all, he could have found someone willing to build a real one, not the FBI.

GAT_00: Not to mention that tryingsucceeding to torch the mosque could motivate someone into continuing the cycle, which is why I argue the arsonists are a higher threat.

Fix'd.

RobertBruce: What? we're arguing the same thing here. My guess is he went on a rant online about what he wishes he could do, and they jumped in and made it "happen".

And he had to want to do that. Kid isn't innocent. He thought he was going to set up a real bomb and kill people.

Entrapment? Probably, though the courts don't seem to agree. But he had to want to do this.

RobertBruce: What? we're arguing the same thing here. My guess is he went on a rant online about what he wishes he could do, and they jumped in and made it "happen".

At what point could you personally be "made" to want to blow up women and children at a holiday festival by the FBI?

Relatively Obscure: Not really. Both of these kind of qualify, though I'd suggest the bomb plot was the "worse" of the two, I guess.

Which one resulted in actual harm to people and/or property??

The Muslim kid couldn't find any other Muslims to go along with his terror attack. He didn't have any luck until the Feds got in touch with him.

The American people had no problem finding other American cohorts to go along with their terror attack.

Speaks well for Americans when compared to Muslims, doesn't it?

GAT_00: After all, he could have found someone willing to build a real one, not the FBI.

Doubtful. If he could have found someone willing, then why didn't he?

Why aren't there bombings going off every day here in the U.S.?

The fact is that finding someone with the desire and capability to build a bomb and use it in an attack here in the U.S. is exceedingly rare.

Kind of like finding hitmen willing to work for $100, or finding 15-year-olds online who want you to come over and have sex with them.