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(11 Alive)   Lawyers say breathalyzers may be discriminating against women because of differences in blood volume and fat. Equality surrenders   (11alive.com) divider line 145
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wow
2003-07-03 09:04:08 AM
I tested this. 3 guy friends and I each had 8 rounds of coors light at happy hour, then took bets on what out blood alcohol level would be.

3 boys: .07, .07, .08
Me: .13

So i guess they would all pass if a cop pulled them over...and I would fail. Which is alright..cause i was pretty damn buzzed. I can get a nice buzz off a .08. I dont think they should raise the limit for females.

...but thats just me.
 
2003-07-03 09:58:39 AM
It is a known fact women have significantly less Alcohol Dehydrogenase in their stomachs than men. Asians and American Indians have significantly less than Caucasians. This enzyme renders ethyl alcohol ineffective before it is even absorbed. THE WOMEN ARE ACTUALLY MORE DRUNK ON LESS HOOCH.....nExT QuEsTiOn.
 
2003-07-03 10:45:03 AM
wow, pretty good experiment there. Next time you should try it with beer.

/snob

 
wow
2003-07-03 11:45:02 AM
HA.

For 1.50 a bottle at happy hour, I'll drink it, and I'll like it. : )

Good beer should be savored....same reason you dont buy a keg of guiness to get trashed : )

mmmm beer....i could go for a nice sammy a right now....

5 hours til happy hour...!
 
2003-07-03 12:04:46 PM
Equality my ass. Sign up for the draft, biznatches.
 
2003-07-03 12:05:38 PM
So what?

/for reasons explained by Tadpole
 
2003-07-03 12:05:53 PM
* insert fellatio joke here *
 
2003-07-03 12:06:11 PM
You mean I can get women drunk on less alcohol than it takes for me to get drunk? Gee, I never noticed that before. I guess it takes a scientist to figure out something that complicated and technical.
 
2003-07-03 12:06:58 PM
Hm, blood tests should provide a ground truth for comparison, you'd think. 'tho what really matters, from a safety perspective, ain't the BAC but the effects of the BAC, so maybe testing with a driving simulator would be better from a DUI perspective.
 
2003-07-03 12:07:13 PM
Blimey. An alcohol related link. Whoda thunk it.
 
2003-07-03 12:08:24 PM
wow

i'm just wondering this:

if you are pious enough to make known your religous beliefs in your fark bio, then what are you doing downing 8 beers in one sitting at happy hour?
 
2003-07-03 12:08:31 PM
From article "What we've learned is that when you take a male and a female of roughly the same weight, give them the same amount of alcohol, that the woman will be significantly higher as far as what her score on the Intoxilyzer 5000 machine," AND significantly higher as far as her drunkenness.

More specifically it doesn't matter if there's a grey area where you nearly squeeze under the limit but not quite. The farking point is that you don't drink and then drive. Not that you can legally justify that you weren't quite smashed enough to be a DUI.
 
2003-07-03 12:08:42 PM
To clarify: not talking about driving simulators in the field, merely that a study to compare the effects of alcohol wrt sex of users might be better off using simulators rather than just BAC tests. Then you might get a fair assessment of whether and how much standards should differ, and what tests might help in the field.
 
2003-07-03 12:09:16 PM
oh yeah, flame on.
 
2003-07-03 12:10:17 PM
Those numbers seem kinda low; I just checked a website that has a BAC calculator on it and it said I should be about .12 after 8 drinks in an hour. I'm a pretty big guy 6+ feet, 230 lbs. So for a female to register what you said, you would have to be around 250-260 lbs.
 
2003-07-03 12:10:23 PM
tigger

are you saying you don't ever have a couple of beers when your eating dinner(out) and then drive home?
 
2003-07-03 12:10:34 PM
those EVIL breathelyzers always trying to HOLD DOWN WOMEN! how dare they!

So basically they're saying they want women to be able to get "more drunk" then men, since they naturally get drunk easier. 2 beers for women = 4 beers for men. so basically they want it to be 4 = 4 according to the law, thus allowing women to be more drunk then men when driving! thats FAIR!
 
2003-07-03 12:11:10 PM
And now to honor America...I present...
 
2003-07-03 12:12:52 PM
Jeez I think most any guy could tell you that girls are cheaper drunks than most guys. Although I do know a few that could drink me under the table but they're exceptions.
 
2003-07-03 12:13:06 PM
DirkValentine-

Republican Protestants aren't allowed to drink?
 
2003-07-03 12:14:53 PM
Still no cure for cancer.
 
2003-07-03 12:15:02 PM

"Your Honor, the breathalyzer machine gave a false reading on my drunkeness, as I am a Transsexual who used to be a woman, and it discriminates against me. Please drop my drunk driving charges."


 
2003-07-03 12:15:45 PM
DirkValentine

at present I live in Chicago and I rarely if ever drive, however I see your point.

When I lived in South Africa I drove smashed all the time. There's no other way to get around. In UK I don't do it at all ever, not a single beer and drive - the penalties are incredibly severe and it's culturally unacceptable. Since I've lived in the US I will often have a couple and drive. Basically my behavior is dictated by the local culture I'd say. My point is that it doesn't really matter if there's a slight variance in the test, because you should make sure that you come in WAY under the test limit, or accept it if you get caught.
 
2003-07-03 12:15:55 PM
i didn't say anything about political affiliation. i'm just curious how it works out that if you believe in something so much that you want people to know that about you in a first impression why it's ok to blatantly express your disdain for following the rules of it?

hyprocrisy, it's what christianity is all about!

/rant
 
2003-07-03 12:16:14 PM
Dirk

Why is assumed that when someone has faith they can't drink? Jesus like wine....I like beer...Not taking any bait here but just curious. I never seem to get a straight answer from either thumpers or anti thumpers...

Dad

Red White and SPEW! Haven't seen that since my Chattanooga days...
 
2003-07-03 12:16:37 PM
I wonder if Midgets can biatch about these being discrimatory.
 
2003-07-03 12:18:07 PM
Yes Virginia, You'll get drunk quicker than me...

REALLY NOW - What asshat lawyer is running with this ball? The law is to prevent people from driving drunk... Drunkeness is a factor of how much alcohol is in the bloodstream. If you get blotto on three drinks - you have no right to more if you plan on driving. Just appreciate the fact that you get fluthered at a significant discount.
 
2003-07-03 12:19:38 PM
woah woah woah...

i'm not saying you can't drink, but you shouldn't be getting drunk.

do i need to get my bible quotes out?

"the body is a temple"
 
2003-07-03 12:19:59 PM
Maybe there should be a fat chick breathilizer and a skinny chick breathilizer.
 
2003-07-03 12:20:11 PM
you dont buy a keg of guiness to get trashed

Why the fark not!

The world needs more Guinness Kegerators...
 
2003-07-03 12:20:13 PM
My sister (5'6", 125 lbs) can drink any man under the table and then go teach a spin class.

She is a goddess among women.

/not worthy
 
2003-07-03 12:21:26 PM
I was unaware that Protestantism had any rules against alcohol consumption. Does it? (seriously, I really don't know.. but plenty of religious types enjoy their booze)
 
2003-07-03 12:22:31 PM
 
2003-07-03 12:22:32 PM
It seems that most poeple can't seem to get it through their heads that equality isn't in treating different things similarly, it's in treating different things differently. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.
 
2003-07-03 12:23:15 PM
Guiness sucks. It's like drinking beer soda. Way too carbonated, not near as strong as the color would suggest.
 
2003-07-03 12:23:23 PM
Cake

it doesn't prohibit it, it merely tells you not to get drunk. and that is not to say that there are plenty of people you break that rule, but they usually don't wear a badge that says,

"Hi. I'm a Protestant!"

in a bar during happy hour.
 
2003-07-03 12:24:23 PM
kpar90

are you joking? guiness is hardly carbonated!
 
2003-07-03 12:25:09 PM
DirkValentine:

i'm not saying you can't drink, but you shouldn't be getting drunk.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, but you shouldn't be telling others what they shouldn't do.

do i need to get my bible quotes out?

No.
 
2003-07-03 12:25:23 PM
guess I'm a freak because I'm female and it takes a hell of alot more alcohol to get me drunk then it takes to get most guys drunk.
 
2003-07-03 12:25:55 PM
I have a silly question. Now, are we talking about men and women of the same size (or at least, somewhat proportional)? Because I'm only 5'6" and 124lbs. I'm sure that if I drank exactly what a 6'2 and 195lbs. guy drank (in the same time frame) then I'd be nearly 2x's as hammered. But, I personally think that if a guy my size drank the same amount I usually do in a weekend--he'd be in the hospital :)

All this talk about drinking is giving me a hankerin' for some margaritas! My damn boss gets to play hooky today...you think anyone would notice if I didn't come back after lunch???
 
2003-07-03 12:26:37 PM
I must have gotten the bottom of the keg then. It was so bad it was the last one I ever had. Much better beers out there.
 
2003-07-03 12:27:11 PM
GREAT RELIGIOUS TRUTHS

1) Athiest do not recognize the existance of a God
2) Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah
3) Protestants do not recognize the Pope as head of the Church
4) Baptists do not recognize each other in bars or liquor stores
 
2003-07-03 12:27:27 PM
Can't handle Guiness...it's like a meal in a can. Too thick or something. Makes me feel like I just ate a Thanksgiving dinner.
 
2003-07-03 12:29:01 PM
cake

hold on there, cowboy. i'm a drinking atheist hooker farking libertarian libertine. that opinion isn't mine, it's the bibles.
 
2003-07-03 12:29:09 PM
I don't understand this. The device is meant to read alcohol percentage in vapor, right? Not man aclohol percent or woman alcohol percent. Just alcohol percent.

I don't know. Just doesn't sound right. Perhaps the columnist could have provided some more information on WHY a female reading should be different. Somehow, I don't think it has to do with blood volume fat when you're reading a vapor.

.08% is .08%. If you drink, don't drive.
 
2003-07-03 12:29:38 PM
Wisconsinite

You go girl! :)

 
2003-07-03 12:30:57 PM
I love Guinness. It is the nectar of the gods. It's so easy to chug--no carbonation. Makes my tummy feel nice and full, like I just had a meal and dessert. No need to eat any food before drinking when all I need is 2 or 3 (slightly chilled- I don't like mine room temp.) glasses/pints of Guinness. Great way to start out a heavy night of drinking :)
 
2003-07-03 12:31:58 PM
Your BAC is determined by body size and amount you have had. How drunk you are depends on tolerance to BAC. A rough guide is:
.1 Not that messed but enough to make sure you shouldn't 0drive
0.3 Pretty drunk for most people
0.4 Really hammered, probably gonna black out or throw up
0.5 Alcohol Poisoning
14.5 Girls begin to find me moderately attractive
 
2003-07-03 12:34:15 PM
I like a nice cold Leinie's Honey Weiss or a Water Street home brew. Good stuff. Of course let's not forget HEINEKIN!
 
2003-07-03 12:34:30 PM
If I got busted for DUI and I was a woman, and I blew anything remotely close to the limit, you're darn straight I'd be on the phone this minute getting my conviction appealed.

Will be interesting to see what the legal fallout is from this. I'm also pretty sure Mothers For Prohibition (aka MADD) will be stomping their feet and pouting if anyone's conviction gets overturned.

--h
 
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