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2003-07-02 03:13:01 PM  
Virtually everything he has foreign and domestically has had an eye to preventing another terrorist attack. Office of Homeland Security, TSA, Patriot Act, restructuring the military. I think the results speak for themselves.

Pardon me while I laugh my ass off.
2003-07-02 03:13:14 PM  

Oh please do provide a link for this.

Certainly. Read all about it here. Funny, you don't find that stuff on FauxNews.
2003-07-02 03:13:52 PM  
Sadly, we broke Iraq, so we are now committed to fix it (which we ironically are not doing).

I know. We should have left the Iraqis as they were--continuing to suffer in gas chambers and rape camps.

Man, what were we thinking. We'd be better off getting BJ's in an oval office....oooops.
2003-07-02 03:13:52 PM  

you saying so doesn't make it so.
how about a link?
2003-07-02 03:14:08 PM  
binnster here is a song for you:) Let's all Hail the Chief ;)

Hail to the Chief
Music by John McCutcheon
Words (entirely) by George W. Bush

I was raised in West Texas, pretty near California
Far away from Dads home in DC
When Im talkin 'bout myself and
Theyre talking 'bout myself
All of us are talkin about me
Now some may retort to personal attacks
Take the high horse then claim the low road
But Im not revengeful person
Ill simply respond with this ode

When I delivered the State of the Budget Address
I offered a question or two
How can a man still put food on his family
Will the tollbooth to the middleclass become more few?
Its time to make the pie higher
This ideas sure to resignate
This is no time to be subliminable
Its a time to unificate

If theres more trade, theres more commerce
And well bring this solution to an end
Even if your business is Hispanically owned
If you speak French or Mexican
Were working for a hopefuller country
No longer vulcanized
Where humans and fish can coexist
And each act civilized

I think we agree, the past is over
Still were held hostile everywhere
Today were not so sure who they are
But still, we know that theyre there
No longer inoculated from what is coming
With a foreign-handed foreign policy
Keep good relations w/ Kosovoans and Grecians
And resist emotionality

We know reading is the basics of learning
And learningwellI forget the rest
But teach a child to read and he or her
Will sure pass a literacy test
So I ask you, Is our children learning?
Will we tolerate failed subsidation
Or will this be where wings finally take dream
Not a cufflink of federalization

So if youre tired of the politics of polls and of principles
Its time that you join this campaign
Were looking for women who while serving our country
Never the house will they stain
Where our priorities is our faith
Where a troop can house his family
Well find power to power the power of the power plants
No, youd best not misunderestimates me


With every word and every breath
Our language dies a slow, sad death
Hail to the Chief, lets give him hail
Part Yogi Berra
Part Dan Quayle

2001 John McCutcheon/Appalsongs (ASCAP)
2003-07-02 03:14:23 PM  
I might be stupid, but it seems to me that if the US ACTUALLY had a better plan for a transitional government, most of these reprisals wouldn't be happening.

There is a severe difference bettween one guy with an assault rifle and a well coordinated attack on US Army Patrols.
2003-07-02 03:14:51 PM  
After Junior was "elected" I promised myself not to visit the US again, until he was out of the White House. The man seriously scares me.

You folks need to amend your constitution to let Clinton run again.

Clinton/Gore 2004
Make Jizz, Not war
2003-07-02 03:15:06 PM  
It does not matter what Bush says or does not say. People who hate him are going to mock him. Luckily, the people who are doing the mocking are generally powerless to do anything about it. They are one-issue voters, people who get a check for nothing, or a special advantage because their skin is the right color. Maybe they like being able to tear a baby out of their womb at their leisure, or maybe they use their sexual organs in a nontraditional way and think that the Democrats can "feel their pain". Maybe they think that peace comes from playing dead, or that they biatch about the environment while chasing bong hits across the country in a polluting SUV. Who really knows what one issue drives these people into doing the the strangest and underhanded things, accusing a conservative President of all sorts of vile acts, while ignoring their Spooge-Master's documented lies and underhanded deeds and his nasty wife who is at times a genius but didn't know that Big Daddy Bill was playing hide the sausage with too many women to count, or where those FBI files were, or where the Whitewater documents were or...

They picked their team. They hate ours. We no longer care. Legalize all drugs, and a large percentage of them will simply go away...
2003-07-02 03:16:00 PM  

It makes considerably more sense than your disingenuous attempts to use a piechart to prove that the rich are taxed at an insanely high percentage of their income when it is in fact onlyl around double the rate of lower earning levels.
2003-07-02 03:16:17 PM  
i stand corrected.
2003-07-02 03:16:45 PM  
Throbbing_Space_Pickle wins for most hate-filled late entry into a flame war.
2003-07-02 03:16:49 PM  
helix400, you just nailed it on the head!

Thanks, man!
2003-07-02 03:17:01 PM  
Hmm, well, this thread has established one thing: most farkers hate girlygirl and wish her some horrendous disease.

Well, maybe not so much the last part. And that's two things, I guess.

Nazis weren't all bad. Discuss.
2003-07-02 03:17:03 PM  

Single issue? You think we're that small minded? You underestimate us, just as we "misunderestimate" your president.

Oh, and as for Clinton's humpfest, I'd rather have a president who farks and intern than farks the country.
2003-07-02 03:17:33 PM  
All you posers that have divine insight into the Iraq issue and it's "obvious" irrelevance to 9-11 are missing an incredibly important point. Iraq's a-hole America hater and truly insane madman of a dictator is gone and the land he tyrannized for 28 years is under reconstruction. That would be good enough except it gets better. This land he held sway over happens to abutt Saudi Arabia, the holy land as it were. Bin Laden's and all the Iman's biatching was to get our presence out of Saudi. Well we left. No more military there. Why? Because the Sheiks in Saudi don't need the protection from Saddam. There's a lot more, like his supporting homicide bombers but that's enough for now. Not that it'll matter one iota to you college liberals.

College liberal = pseudo-intellectual poser.
2003-07-02 03:17:39 PM  

The FBI is empowered to enter a foreign country to investigate the deaths of US citizens abroad and to render aid to foreign law-enforcement agencies. The FBI has no law-enforcement powers while not on US soil, AFAIK, unless specifically granted by the host country.


You must be a dreamer, Mr. President. That's funny stuff. I miss your point. Sure, six or eight guys can cause lots of local havoc. But they're going to find it hard to influence events at a distance, given a lack of infrastructure and money. And there's always a rat in these groups, some shlub who'll take a fistful of cash over the "cause" any day.

And the hard-liners? They'll get killed sooner or later, if not by us then by some rival warlord or jealous subordinate.

The key is to keep their actions constrained, and their force attenuated. Alive and helpless is in some ways better than dead and martyred; it's kind of hard to draw supporters to your cause when you're too scared to come out of your cave.
2003-07-02 03:17:49 PM  
You seem to have confused 9/11 with Iraq, you stupid biatch.

Ha! It'd been said before, but not with so much vitrol. please, you are my hero and have made me laugh.


I wish we could do something to bring McCain back into politics at the presidential level but that's wishful thinking at this point. You're right, though, if the US had known what 2000-2004 would bring us we'd have elected him in a heartbeat. I'm sad I only got to cast a vote for him once.
2003-07-02 03:18:26 PM  
Erm. "farks and intern" = "farks an intern" in my previous post. Just making that clear before the grammar nazis get me.
2003-07-02 03:18:49 PM  
Please please, that name-calling is unworthy.

Helix400, RE: #2: Classic Conservatism, which is notably absent from the GOP, is distrustful of all power.

But what do I know besides all?
2003-07-02 03:19:14 PM  
i agree with haywood. anybody who went to college is a poser.
2003-07-02 03:20:00 PM  
Road Warrior
I guess that makes two of us astounded by respective daftness. Virtually everything he has foreign and domestically has had an eye to preventing another terrorist attack. Office of Homeland Security, TSA, Patriot Act, restructuring the military. I think the results speak for themselves.

That's specious reasoning. Just because an attack hasn't occurred doesn't mean one won't, and it doesn't mean he's been doing a good job. In fact, there was an article in yesterday's USA Today about how many cities are struggling with the lack of funding available for their security efforts.
2003-07-02 03:20:22 PM  
"No more military there. Why? Because the Sheiks in Saudi don't need the protection from Saddam."

But why would Saudi Arabia need protection from Saddam? Why do we care about Saudi Arabia? As far as human rights go, they suck ass.
2003-07-02 03:21:26 PM  
Link to C-Span footage:

2003-07-02 03:21:31 PM  
I'm confused. As I recall it, and I'm perfectly willing to accept correction, the Iraq invasion was solely because of a threat of immediately deployable WMDs. The article states that this pemise was only a partial justification for the invasion. Is this a sign of a history rewrite in the making or have I forgotten my meds again?
2003-07-02 03:21:41 PM  
"Please please, that name-calling is unworthy."

I'm sorry, but she was waving the 9/11 flag a little hard, doncha think?

My apologies.
2003-07-02 03:21:50 PM  
Certainly. Read all about it here. Funny, you don't find that stuff on FauxNews.

Funny, it was announced on their last night!

Remember, "Fair and Balanced."
2003-07-02 03:22:42 PM  

Now, what do you have against college students? Especially as you're from the fertile grounds of intellectual enlightenment, Georgia? Now I'm sure we did't go to the same schools, so I'm curious. Did you get your degree in air conditioner maintenance or gun repair?
2003-07-02 03:23:15 PM  
there ain't no way in hell saddam gave osama money to finance blowing up American stuff. no way i tell ya.
2003-07-02 03:23:26 PM  
Haywood_Jabloeme -

re-read what you just wrote. i know you think it makes sense. it doesn't.

You're saying that 9/11 is tied to Iraq, and by getting out of Saudi Arabia after liberating Iraq, we did what OBL wanted us too, but only because he attacked us.

I think.

As for the tyrannical madman blather, it's funny. Bush has done more to restrict civil liberties than anyone since McCarthy, and you trust him with deposing tyrranies?

Over/Under: how many more dictatorships will Bush go after now?

Bonus question: how many of them will not have had a previous fight with his daddy?
2003-07-02 03:23:28 PM  
Bush's presidency has been a disaster, but he will most likely be reelected.


Dude, what color is the sky on your world? Clinton lied about a blowjob (to a grand jury, making him a criminal, no excuses here.) Bush seems to lie about everything of substance as a matter of course or at least policy. He reneged on his campaign promise to impose tougher CO2 standards. He seems to have completely abandoned any hope of encouraging bipartisanship, unless there's a way to do it with a steamroller. It is becoming increasingly apparent that he lied about WMDs in Iraq. He's gone from a vow to bring in Bin Laden, dead or alive to saying bin Laden is now irrelavent.

Face it, liberal or conservative, Democratic or Republican means nothing here. You are either for or against, and if you're for Bush, youare for selling what's left of this country to the highest bidder after our finacial solvency and leading status in the world have already been pissed away.

2003-07-02 03:24:13 PM  
If we'd known that the term would be all about military issues, balancing the need to fight back with the need to maintain humility, and methodically attacking one elusive enemy, anybody who DIDN'T vote for McCain would have been certifiably insane.

Btw, McCain lost the primary due to Bush's mean-spirited campaign in South Carolina. Not compassionate then, not compassionate now.
2003-07-02 03:25:14 PM  
I'd have gone with the term 52%er. (Is that the right number?) ;-)
2003-07-02 03:26:05 PM  
pontechango -

2003-07-02 03:26:11 PM  
speaking of tax cuts & tax breaks...

who the crap decided it was bad if it wasnt being socialist????

"its unfair!" ya, im sure that the money wouldve been much better spent by that one guy on a brand new Excursion vs. the rich guy who spent it on a 10 car garage...

but i guess if that your right if the point of the tax break was so lil billy could buy Doom 3 and daddy could go buy that 52" tv that he sooooooo needed and would just jump-start the economy like nothing else!!!
2003-07-02 03:26:17 PM  
There's a lot more, like his supporting homicide bombers

They are suicide bombers, the kill themselves in the process.

Homicide bombers blow up abortion clinics and gay clubs.

2003-07-02 03:26:32 PM  
2003-07-02 03:22:42 PM EyeballKid

Now, what do you have against college students? Especially as you're from the fertile grounds of intellectual enlightenment, Georgia? Now I'm sure we did't go to the same schools, so I'm curious. Did you get your degree in air conditioner maintenance or gun repair?

Ewwwwww, snap child, Haywood_Jabloeme are you just gonna stand there and be insulted by a person with a name that sounds like a subconcious admission to pedophilia?
2003-07-02 03:26:38 PM  
2003-07-02 02:59:34 PM haplo53
Not doubting the numbers; it's how they are used.

haplo53 is spinning so fast, I can see three of him!

2003-07-02 03:00:14 PM DeanMoriarty
you don't need to make that commercial. anyone dumb enough to beleive it has already volunteered for the reelection campaign anyway.

Nice! Keep the insults without suggestions comming. 2004 will be a lock.

2003-07-02 03:01:37 PM pontechango

Did you miss my post about the Taliban? They're very much alive and kicking. So much so, the FBI has tried to negotiate a new government with them.

I gave it a read. It states that the Taliban has a few remnants still lying around (which is why we still have troops over there). As far as our negotiating a new government with the Taliban, I'll need a little bit more evidence than an asian paper's arabic report.
2003-07-02 03:26:42 PM  
I would have voted for McCain, no doubt. When GWB won the primary, I thought "whaaaa?!". So I had to vote Demo. :\
2003-07-02 03:26:45 PM  
hay eyeball kid, you gonna need three jobs to pay the AC maintenance man if your air goes out. maybe tho, if you're lucky he'll take that degree paper you got in trade since it ain't doing you no good.
2003-07-02 03:26:59 PM  
The American President:

Unless you have some incredible insight, I think it's silly to assume small packs of 6-8 "shlubs" are cowering in caves in Pakistan right now. We don't know where they are (at least one important guy, ol what's his name). It also does not make sense that someone willing to die for their cause is just going to accept cash instead.

I don't think we have any idea of Al-Queda's status, unless you believe Bush has them "on the run". That's another funny one...
2003-07-02 03:27:03 PM  
Finally, I agree with Commander Bunnypants! Rowdy drunks are fun. Maybe it's just the whiskey talkin' but I say give Dubya and M-60 and let him go have at it with the Baathists. Good luck, brave soldier-king, take those old dog tags from when you went AWOL in the TANG, you might need 'em.
2003-07-02 03:27:06 PM  
College liberal = pseudo-intellectual poser.

What the fark? College is now somehow an insult? What is a REAL intellectual? Someone who went to college but remained conservative? Someone who never like the whole school thing and did something else?

Hatred towards those more educated than you are is just sad.
2003-07-02 03:27:07 PM  
I am a strong Bush supporter, but this was a major gaffe-- not good politically, diplomatically or for troop morale, in my opinion.

Having said that, the man has more intellect, class, decency and courage than all the poseurs who continue to underestimate him combined.

Carry on.
2003-07-02 03:27:14 PM  
Girly Girl - you still have yet to connect 9-11 with the war in Iraq. Yes 3,000 people died, but Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. Nothing. So using 9-11 to justify this war is the height of ignorance.

And quite frankly, I bet a lot of the people who died on 9-11 were complete jerks and there are people in this country who are glad they are dead. Out of 3,000 people, I'm sure we had a few rapists and child molesters and telemarketers. Or people who borrow things and never return them. Yes, them all being murdered at once is bad, but lets not make them saints.

And don't forget that after 9-11, US military forces have killed many more than 3,000 innocent civilians in other countries.
2003-07-02 03:27:59 PM  
What you people need is some boobies.
2003-07-02 03:28:07 PM  
2003-07-02 03:28:57 PM  
Can I get a show of hands? How many people can recall any post where Haywood_Jabloeme made any sense or where his comments were even loosely connected to the primary subject matter of the thread.

Anyone, Anyone? Bueller?
2003-07-02 03:29:01 PM  
"No more military there. Why? Because the Sheiks in Saudi don't need the protection from Saddam."

But why would Saudi Arabia need protection from Saddam? Why do we care about Saudi Arabia? As far as human rights go, they suck ass.

See? It's so obviously stupid. If Hussein ivaded Saudi Arabia, the UN, NATO, everybody would have felt perfectly legitimate in obliterating his ass. EVERYBODY would be much happier now. We might have even snuck some democratization into Saudi Arabia.
2003-07-02 03:29:18 PM  
2003-07-02 02:53:03 PM TheConvincingSavant
It's a sound ad platform. The Republicans can use it too.

The numbers of dead US Civilians starts to tick up on screen.
Bush: "Bring it on"
A toppled Taliban.
Bush: "Bring it on"
The ousting of Saddam
This continues on for a few more times until we close with:
ANNCR: In 2004, help win the war on terrorism. Vote Bush.

The problem with that ad is that the commercial would never end...

The numbers of dead US Civilians CONTINUES to tick up on screen.
Bush: "Bring it on"
A suicide bomber kills civilians in New York.
Bush: "Bring it on"
A plane is hijacked and all are killed
Bush: "Bring it on"
Dirty bomb is exploded in Major metropolitan area. 100's of thousands die.

And so on and so on....
2003-07-02 03:29:28 PM  
I tried to read the entire thread so forgive me if this has already been said but there's a lot more than a single axis to the political spectrum.

There are domestic policy conservatives and liberals.

There are foreign policy conservatives and liberals.

There are economic policy conservatives and liberals.

And that's just the three major axis... Myself, I'm moderate foreign policy, liberal domestic policy, and conservative economic policy. So what does that make me...? A liberal? A moderate? A conservative? To narrowly define a political viewpoint by a single axis is far too simplistic a viewpoint.

Now that I've said that... Bush is a freakin' idiot for saying that statement. We're averaging a U.S. or British soldier dying once a day and Bush is challenging the hostiles to kill more of our soldiers? I could have sworn that Bush said he'd stopped doing coke... sheesh!

As for our troops staying in Iraq... current projections suggest we'll be keeping troops there for a minimum of FIVE years. This isn't over by a long shot. And while I didn't want us to send our troops into Iraq, now that they're there they will need to be there for quite some time to establish basic utilities, get elections going and ensure that the results are adhered to (no dictators refusing to step down and that kind of crap), and get basic trade and services running again.

Oh... and someone asked why the guerilla fighters would be targeting Iraqis or Iraqi resources... simple. The Iraqi people are getting peeved that they still don't have electricy or running water or their corner grocery isn't getting new stock in. Well, if you were an Iraqi guerilla fighter and wanted your fellow Iraqis to get more upset with the Americans, a good way to do it would be to halt American progress at repairing the infrastructure so that to the average Iraqi, it looks like either American incompetence or worse, American indifference to the plight of the common Iraqi.
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