2003-07-02 02:03:01 PM pontechango
bass555
Since somebody brought up Newsweek, the following is the cover story to June 30's Time:
"Should Christians Convert Muslims?"
Wow, that's funny. Muslims almost never convert to Christianity. That's a simple fact.

That's usually because they are executed if they convert.

2003-07-02 02:15:52 PM pontechango
bughunter
pontechango - I'd be very interested in reading the lip-biting article you mentioned, but a google news search for "bush bites lip" was fruitless.
I think this is it. It's a blog, really.

Took long enough, but the truth finally comes out.

the_american_president: The funny thing is, America got so strong in part because everyone else simply deferred their defense to the US during the Cold War. It's not so much that we got strong; everyone else just got weak. We are the de facto world policeman whether you (or we) like it or not.

True to some extent. In 2000, GWB said it was NOT the role of the US to be the world's policeman, and engage in nation-building. Look at us now. In addition, like it or not, GWB was not in office long enough to "rebuild" the strong force we have today- thank Clinton, GHWB, Reagan, and etc for continuing a strong military.

In 2003, Bush went before the UN and said that if it did not agree and approve of action against a nation that was ignoring its mandates, then the US and "coalition of the willing", would in effect, also ignore the UN mandates and attack Iraq. America did exactly what Saddam was doing- ignoring the "rule of law".

2003-07-02 02:16:50 PM Smookyfufu

Its funny how people say Bush has "balls". I think if he would have said "I'm enlisting in the army right now and i'm going to kick some Saddam Loyalist ass." That would have been pretty gutsy. Speaking is different and much safer than doing. But continue to ignore logical posts my dear Bush supporters.

Personally, I think he should deliver a State of the Empire speech directly from the heart of Baghdad. It'll make landing on the aircraft carrier look like a White House lawn Easter egg hunt.

cyberluddite, you're insane: I'd never sell my kid's future. Too bad your kids' future isn't worth more than $800 (an amount that will be more than offset by other losses to you and your family, of course) to you.

more money for me and other private citizens is better spent than giving that money to the bureaucracy to waste. consumers allways spend money better than the government, creating wealth and jobs and production.

and to destroy the rest of your argument:
Yeah, who gives a fark if those kids have have decent schools to go to,
my public school is funded 77 perent by local property taxes, which increased by 20 percent over the past few years

health care if they get sick,
i have great private health care through work

Social Security
the payroll tax rate hasn't changed

or Medicare benefits when they get old,
the 1.45 percent medicare payroll tax rate hasn't changed

clean air to breath, safe food to eat,
we have a great state environmental protection agency, and Pennsylvania food is the safest in teh country

protection from physical danger,
my job, which i do well

or parents who have jobs.
how does more money for government get me a job?

Jonas -- And what makes you blame the tax cut for the economy, versus factors such as overcapacity and a general global economic downturn plus people getting burned by "irrational exuberance"?

Jonas, what are you talking about? families with children eligible for the child tax credit on their 1040 will get an accelerated payment of $400 for each child, in the mailbox this summer. That's because the credit was increased from $600 to $1000. what's this $40 nonsense you harp on?

enjoy that $800, Albo. Bush is counting on people like you next year. Hook, line, and sinker.

He talks big for a guy who spent his entire military service AWOL for a national guard unit. The only bad shiat he was in was that one time he bought his coke from a Hatian in New Orleans.

Weapons of Credibility Destruction. Bring 'em on, Chimp-boy.

Jackass.

the ONLY way to celebrate our freedom of expression is by not saying anything GirlyGirl disagrees with, punk!

Don't know how many of y'all read about this, but taunting the Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis and Yemenis that comprised the Fedayeen Saddam actually had discernable tactical impact in this past conflict. The Army mounted loudspeakers on some APCs and drove through contested areas blaring Arabic insults out at the remaining Ba'athist supporters.

The idiots became so enraged that they would charge the tank columns protecting the APCs, allowing our boys in uniform to gun 'em down all the easier.

There's one example of taunting working. We'll see if this has any effect, either way.

You go Girly Girl!

helix400
I was wondering the same thing. Outside of the fark community, people are pretty middle of the road. But you come here in the forms, and you find arrogant, think-they-know-it-all people criticizing everything that doesn't fit their wacked out vision of the way the world should be.

It's plain old-fashioned polarization. Just something debates do.

And I would characterize the Fark demographic as libertarian. IT jobs are generally not unionized. It all comes down to the beer and boobies, really. Not a good attraction for the religious right. At least not in public.

Do you think the Iraqi snipers are watching CNN?.

Perhaps. They have TV in other countries too, you know. Iraq has also has hundreds of newspapers (remember those?) sure to publish this story, and they are indeed widely read. Don't assume that Iraqi bad guys live under a rock or that they don't have satellite TV there just because Iraq is a developing nation. Hell, we had a soldier shot in the neck while buying DVDs in Baghdad. They're not primitives.

Here this should help calm people down, so we can discuss this rationally.

With over 300 posts, I'm sure no one will read this and I won't check back so don't bother responding to my comment, but DAMN, BUSH RULES!

gwb is not left-handed. ghwb is...

(maybe he bats lefty, though)

I'm really sad to say that you and I share the same freedom.

Typical. All the conservatives I know weep that you are representing them right now. Hell, I've been labeled conservative before (although I consider myself more moderate) and I weep for you as well.

It shows pure hate for America and all that we tried to do to liberate Iraq.

People can hate the current administration while loving America. Your "with us or against us" attitude is dispicable. Again, criticizing the president does not mean that a person is not patriotic. Disagreeing with this one incredibly stupid statement does not mean that a person hates Bush.

How does the world look when you view everything in black and white? GirlyGirl, you truly scare me.

It shows pure hate for America and all that we tried to do to liberate Iraq.

So it WASN'T about the WMDs?

Why are we even discussing social security. Farkers, get this through your heads ... you will not see a single penny of that cash when you get old. Start saving your money now b/c the feds are not gonna help you out one bit in your old age.

Ok, this is my Boobies..and I don't want to ruffle feathers or what not....but I'm tired of this all. It's all so pointless to biatch and moan about what Bush does. The only way to change it, is get off your asses..and get someone else in the office. If you hate him, hate his policy.. whatever the reason for not wanting him in the office..get involved in the political events...get the word out about voting.

And another thing...we have this thing about feeling sorry for "Our boys"...And, I am extremely greatful for what they do for us..but, come on..they signed up..they wanted the free education..they knew the what they what situations they may or may not be put into ... they're not totally innocent.

No one is.

cyberluddite, we had a huge deficit in the 80s under Reagan, and we grew out of it and got it even and had a surplus and now it's growing again and at some point an improving economy will bring in extra revenues and we'll be balanced again.

that's the way the economy works. sorry it doesn't jibe with your unconvincable bush-hate.

and yes, that $800 is going to be spent on a number of goods and services which will help provide employment and benefits for the workers in those companies i choose, in turn helping them feed their families and have a prosperous, health life. Pretty selfish of me, huh?

Do you think the Iraqi snipers are watching CNN?. Besides W probably didn't write it anyway. His version of Rob Lowe did. Don't you people watch the West Wing? Sheesh...

Yeah, I watch the West Wing. In particular, I remember the episode in which CJ, without thinking, accidentally made it sound as if the President was relieved that sending troops into harm's way would take the heat off of the whole MS scandal.

Bush, if he was indeed saying something a communications director/speechwriter/etc. told him to say (definitely not without the realm of possibility), did something very similar to CJ in that one episode: he basically told hostiles to attack our troops. Whether or not it actually serves to put our men and women in harm's way unnecessarily, I think it's pretty clear - that is INSANE.

And if Bush's version of Rob Lowe DID tell him to say it, then he's either surrounded himself with the wrong people, or, to his mind, he's surrounded himself with the right people. In the former case he's a dumbass for listening to highly suspect political communications personnel, and in the latter case, he's a dumbass FOR TELLING HOSTILES TO ATTACK OUR TROOPS. Geez.

There is also the disturbing possibility that this was Bush talking "off the cuff." If this is the case, then he should just go back to being told what to say by the Karl Roves and Dick Cheneys of the administration who use him as their mouthpiece. He'd do a lot better than he did today.

Go puke up your hoagie and read some Ann Coulter, girly girl (which is, by the way the "code name" lesbians use to identify each other, as in: "yeah, she's a girly"). The statement you're flaming basically means: it's easy for Bush to talk tough when he's not the one taking shrapnel. It's not tantamount to treason like you and your bulemic heroine would suggest.

Most soldiers I know think Bush is an asshat and have no illusions about why they went to Iraq this time around (hint, your car uses it). The deluded people are the Fox News watching couch potatos (note the missing e) at home.

DennisDuBay - FILTERED!

Fark itself usually manages to be apolitical, with occasional giant exceptions such as the article yesterday about the "non-commie" review of Anne Coulter's book.

A thread like this is going to attract more liberals because honestly, how can anyone rationally defend Bushes actions? If I was a conservative, I'd avoid this thread like the plague. Well actually, if I was a conservative I'd get on and say "yeah he's an idiot. I wish we had a real conservative who cared about the budget and the troops".

try again, girlygirl. you're coming across as illiterate. i can't parse your "sentences".

TheConvincingSavant
I think this is it. It's a blog, really.

Took long enough, but the truth finally comes out.

What's your quibble?

hint, your car uses it

My car uses sand?

Thank God for President Bush.

Hey folks! My mistake for labeling farkers right or left. Some of you are correct -- The lines are fuzzy nowadays and it usually depends on the issue.

But it seems to me that the more successful Bush becomes (i.e. passing 2 tax cuts, winning 2 wars) the more farkers cry "cowboy."

Do some research on how much of a ruckus Paris was in after WWII. Should we have stayed out of that war?

GIRLYGIRL:

You seem to mistake hatred of Bush with hatred of America. They are not the same. A lot of people, myself included, think he is a cancer to the planet. I can say that as part of that "freedom we share".

It's people who buy into the lies and try to limit that freedom that are the real America-haters.

Thanks for the Democratic Party commercial for 2004...

The numbers of dead US Servicemen starts to tick up on screen.

CUT TO:

Bush: "Bring it on"

CUT TO:

Numbers ticking up on screen.

CUT TO:

Bush: "Bring it on"

This continues on for a few more times until we close with:

ANNCR: In 2004, bring someone else on. Vote Democrat.

Korovyov: No, I blame bush for the economy. I'm saying the $40 you get from bush isn't worth the shiatty economy he gave you, meaning that voting for bush is a bad investment. Really bad.

Girly Girl

As a former soldier and a veteran of Gulf War I, I can only say speak for yourself. Don't lump all "American Soldiers" as towing the Bush line. I am in contact with several former soldiers and all but one has had serious reservations about the legitimacy of the present conflict.

And I can assure you that if I were in combat, my first reaction to Bush's statement would have been something to the effect of "hell yeah, bring it on" but after about 5 minutes, I would seriously ponder the concern the president has about our lives and well being, especially from one who made numerous strides to avoid placing himself in armed conflict.

"There's people there that (would) like to run us out of there, create the conditions where we get nervous and decide to leave. We're not going to get nervous," Bush said.


Lame ass! What about the present? We know he had them then... we gave it to them!!

richbob:

My point has more to do with soverignty and a belief in national borders and elected officials. The USA is a sovereign nation and its elected officials are beholden to no one but the electorate whom they represent. Period. To suborn our government to an supra-national body (be it the UN or whomever) is not only wrong, it is unconstitutional.

It is clear that the bulk of the American electorate believes in what we are doing in Iraq. Maybe not the "intellectuals" on either coast, and maybe not the disaffected Gen-Y-ers, but almost everyone else. The vast majority of voters in the "flyover states" believe in what he's doing, and showed that in decisive fashion in the midterm elections.

America is a sovereign nation, and we will take those steps we need to take to keep our nation and our people safe. To the extent that this goal melds with "the rest of the world", fine and good. To the extent that it doesn't: tough shiat.

Don't know how many of y'all read about this, but taunting the Syrians, Jordanians, Saudis and Yemenis that comprised the Fedayeen Saddam actually had discernable tactical impact in this past conflict. The Army mounted loudspeakers on some APCs and drove through contested areas blaring Arabic insults out at the remaining Ba'athist supporters.
The idiots became so enraged that they would charge the tank columns protecting the APCs, allowing our boys in uniform to gun 'em down all the easier.
There's one example of taunting working. We'll see if this has any effect, either way.

Troops using this tactic to draw out fighters in their immediate vacinity is one thing. However, in this case Bush has put himself in a bad position politically by calling for the attack of American troops. His comment was misguided. He sounds like a schoolyard bully, which won't sit well with a lot of people, particularly those who have family in the military.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!

2003-07-02 02:34:37 PM newmoonpuppyhead
Thanks for the Democratic Party commercial for 2004...
The numbers of dead US Servicemen starts to tick up on screen.
CUT TO:
Bush: "Bring it on"
CUT TO:
Numbers ticking up on screen.
CUT TO:
Bush: "Bring it on"
This continues on for a few more times until we close with:
ANNCR: In 2004, bring someone else on. Vote Democrat.

LOL, you should write movies.

I'm not sure where "my boobies" came from. :)I didn't type that. Is Fark farking me? :)

Do some research on how much of a ruckus Paris was in after WWII. Should we have stayed out of that war?

what does that have to do with anything?

Oh, and this idiotic "Bush was AWOL" mythological meme has been thoroughly debunked.

See Bill Hobb's post and the National Guard Magazine article it refers to.

But then again, when did facts ever deter anyone from making ad hominem attacks on Bush?

Wankers.