How many thousands of miles away was Bush when he made this comment?

Typical politician, claiming they have to make all the hard decisions while scurrying between hardened shelters when the shiat actually hits the fan.

Ya because we all know these people wouldn't have attacked unless they were provoked first...

Robobagpiper, I agree. Good point.

And yes, I own firearms as well.

2003-07-02 01:07:02 PM ChadM89
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I'm truly not. But, is everyone on FARK a liberal?

I have noticed fewer conservatives posting their viewpoints lately. The thing is, even though fark is dominated by Americans, it is an international community. What is considered moderate in Europe would be considered liberal in the US. And, its pretty obvious that worldwide Bush isn't very popular. I think the presence of european posters create a liberal slant on the boards. That slant, in turn, has probably run off some of the conservative posters, increasing the slant.

Is someone gonna link syowr's post? Google the content or something. I see all these comments about it, and I can't read it.

"And Bush compared the Iraqi operation to the humanitarian effort he is undertaking to combat AIDS in Africa and the Caribbean"

what an arrogant idiot, there is farking no resemblance between the two. I wonder what he did when he went AWOL during his proud "National Guard" era....
smoking pot? bumping blonde chicks?

Jonas: i have two kids and i'm getting $800 back at the end of july. If you have kids, vote republican.

I see the liberals make no difference in their minds between "guerrilla fighters" and "terrorists". They are two different breeds, with different goals, and they use different tactics to attempt to achieve those goals. But hey, just throw down an inflammatory comment about Ann Coulter, and you're done. Don't let facts get in the way of a good flaming of America.

Unfortunately the Department of State fails to see this distinction.

And as far as Clinton not egging the enemy on...what the hell do you think happened in Somalia? Clinton's pullout was directly quoted by bin Laden as proof that America would allow itself to be beaten.

Korovyov
I'm not disagreeing on you as such; however, I find much of the citizenry's willingness to be led, over a demand that they be represented, to bode ill for the democratic institutions.

And I levy this criticism against extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, though I find that deference to authority does seem to preferentially cohabitate with conservatism.

pontechango: I was merely pointing out the absurdity, much like IronChefRichmond pointed out Newsweek's fabrications

War = Profits for GOP cronies and contributor...

the_american_president
Not sure if you were referring to my post or not in your comments about us being the world's policeman. If so, you assume too much in labeling me a liberal or believing that I cling to some idea of a world governed by international institutions. I'm hardly an idealist on either point, and certainly not upset about America's strength. I'm an American, after all. I like living in a strong nation. I am by no means anti-military. I grew up as an Air Force brat and I'm the first member of my family not to serve in many, many generations. I'm proud to have Airmen, Marines, and Soldiers in my family and among my friends. They're great people, and they do great work. I do, however, feel like we should find a way to get the rest of the world to get off its buttocks and take some of this load off the Americans. We can't afford to do this all alone in terms of either blood or treasure. Whether it's through the UN, NATO, or just via multilateral agreements with nations who share our interests. And that means more than the Brits. I feel like we're the de facto world policemen now as much because it makes us more powerful (in charge, if you will) than everyone else as due to necessity.

hee hee.

In the last 60 seconds, 4 people have defended Bush by saying, basically, "what's so wrong? they were going to get shot at anyway!"

Nice defense, kids.

Helix
But you're right, the slant is definitely left. I wish fark was more representative of the general population instead of simply saying "The majority of America is, they support this (insert person, law, war, etc.). People in the real world aren't as stupid many farkers make them out to be.

Out of curiosity, why do the Farkers in general lean so far to the left? Where are they based out of? Is Mr. Fark Webmaster a left-winger himself? I'm open for any answers from the right(I know there's only a few of us here) or the left.

I can't help but wonder if Bush was egging on that sniper in DC as well. Maybe that was a bit too close to home for him.

bass555

thats when you say to a christain wanting to go over there n' start convertin' "well, you can do this, but only if you allow a muslim to goto America and start converting Christains to Islam"...

Jigad -- There's some resemblance to "/me" syntax from IRC, but there may be other reasons as well. *shrug*

pontechango - I'd be very interested in reading the lip-biting article you mentioned, but a google news search for "bush bites lip" was fruitless.

Not only do Americans realize that Bush lied about the war, Iraqi's believe they've been deceived, too.

"Out of curiosity, why do the Farkers in general lean so far to the left? Where are they based out of? Is Mr. Fark Webmaster a left-winger himself? I'm open for any answers from the right(I know there's only a few of us here) or the left."

I don't think they do. Go look at any of the war threads, they read like stuff from Freerepublic. Perhaps its a matter of perception, as I like to point out to a lot of republican friends I have: Republicans are in power. Those who are in power are analized and criticized because they are in charge. This has always been the case. Get over it.

sector_9 -

actually, a lot of people here, myself included, have conservative leanings.

Problem is, the current administration has gone waaaaaay right - too far for us.

Either you ere already out there, or went with them - but being opposed to these dopes doesn't make one a liberal or a commie or unpatriotic, no matter what Rummy tells you.

albo: And how much has it gone up since clinton, if at all? How much are you making now/then?

And $800 isn't really that much...

not arguing, just curious

Please. Left, right, they mean nothing anymore. It's so childish to write individual minds off into 2 factions of thought, as if there could possibly not be an overwhelming majority of instances where any human mind would go far outside the boundaries of one personality cult or another on every issue.

Why should Bush care if our troops get attacked? It's not like he or any of the Bush family are in the line of fire. They save that "honor" for us little folks. (GWB, Vietnam, AWOL)

Of course he taunts the Iraqi's. His ego is much more important than the safety of our troops, or the dignity of our nation.

The sad thing is that you can bet Democrats are hoping for something unfortunate to happen so they can continue their assaults for political gain.

I hope you don't really believe that. Nobody should believe that. I think many people are afraid such a thing will occur if current policies are maintained, not hoping for it. No need faulting them for saying so. I think Democrats simply lack confidence in many of the Bush ideas to bring about peace and economic prosperity. If they actually work, that will be great and the Dems will be wrong. So be it. Bush will have been right. The jury is still out.

I'd just read the bit about the moron trying to make homemade fireworks with match heads and copper pipe, this is even dumber.

Iraqis: "Thank you for liberating us, now about that 'peace' and 'order' and 'working power grid' you mentioned, it's been a while now...

Bush: "You got a problem, raghead!? I got a 16 shot magazine full of solutions!"

gotta love texican diplomacy

t

Robobagpiper -- If the people disagree, they can refuse to elect, or even request that their representatives impeach. *shrug* Or, less severely, they can make their views known through letters, et al. However, when a matter isn't even on their radar screen, perhaps a politician should consider trying to MAKE it appear on their agenda.

RagingLeonard

Personally I think this will do nothing to hurt Bush's chances at winning reelection. On the contrary, it may help.


Yeah, I'd tend to agree. As far as verbal goofs goes, this one is inconsequential.


This may come as a shock to many of y'all but the vast majority of Americans agree with the President's mindset on this. Much to most liberals' chagrin, the U.S. is a conservative country. One needs only to look at the 2000/2002 elections for evidence.


Actually, looking at the 2000 election, the conservatives actually look kind of bad. Despite the various scandals of the Clinton administration and Gore's lack of charm, it was still a 50-50 split. The % difference between the number of votes that Gore got and the number that Bush did was tiny.

The 2002 election, though, definitely showed a shift towards the right.

But of course, it's logically impossible for the majority of the country to be conservative OR liberal. What the majority believes in is always "middle-of-the-road" by definition. When the country becomes more conservative, that means that there are actually fewer conservatives because the definition has changed.

bughunter
pontechango - I'd be very interested in reading the lip-biting article you mentioned, but a google news search for "bush bites lip" was fruitless.

I think this is it. It's a blog, really.

It's times like this that I remember my "Blackadder Goes Forth"

General Melchett: Are you looking forward to the Big Push, son?
Private S. Baldrick: No, sir, I'm absolutely terrified.
General Melchett: Ah, the healthy humor of the honest Tommy! Don't worry...if your courage should fail, just remember that Captain Darling and I are behind you.
Captain E. Blackadder: About 30 miles behind, as a matter of fact...

I agree with all who've posted comments regarding the futile categorization of political views nowadays. The lines are fuzzy, people are switching parties and such. Why does it matter anyway? Why must a person have a label on their opinions?

And, to Chad, we're not all Bushie bashers but when our Commander in Chief starts quoting cheerleader movies ("Bring It On"), I think EVERYONE should be concerned.

/liberal, tree-hugging, middle-o-the-road, pacifist, Democrat woman :)

Its funny how people say Bush has "balls". I think if he would have said "I'm enlisting in the army right now and i'm going to kick some Saddam Loyalist ass." That would have been pretty gutsy. Speaking is different and much safer than doing. But continue to ignore logical posts my dear Bush supporters.

im a republican, bush supporter, and ill admit that he definitely used the wrong terminology in this case...sometimes i think the president should constantly carry around 6 shooters on his hips and chew on a piece of hay....maybe that quote from the other thread about laura bush was right. maybe george w. is too average to be a president, because he doenst know how to get his message across without calling somebody out, OK Coral style.

biffstertim You know, Republican presidents like Bush just can't get a break. Clinton was getting blowjobs in the bath off the Oval Office and bombing aspirin factories in Sudan and sending Albright to party with North Koreans. Bush speaks his mind and actually agonizes over the lives of US troops abroad, and the Fark kiddies can't deal. Wow.

Wait, wait wait: Let me get this straight. You seem to be claiming that the Clinton administration (a) did bad things and (b) no one said anything about it. Now, Bush says something and gets criticized for it, and you're saying that he "just can't get a break."

Is this right? Cuz if it is you are batshiat crazy, mon. You DO remember the whole impeachment imbroglio, right? How every day for 8 years we had Limbaugh, etc. telling us about every rumor spread about the Clintons? Where the NYTimes and every other media outlet just parroted whatever claims were made about Clinton, however unsubstantiated, or even proven to be false?

And yet it's Bush who can't get a break. The same president whose apparent AWOL is hushed over. Who lied about Iraq and is getting away with it. Who is fighting every attempt at an investigation into the intelligence failures that led to the Sept. 11 bombing, and is getting away with it. Who has run up the highest deficit in modern history, and is getting away with it. Who eliminates millions from being eligible for overtime pay, but cuts taxes for his rich buddies, and is getting away with it.

Who has allowed Ken Lay to escape prosecution, and is getting away with it. Who has isolated America from the rest of the world, thrown away the tremendous goodwill given to us after Sept. 11, and pulled out of or opposed almost every multilateral treaty of any importance.

Yeah, he's got it so rough. My heart just bleeds for all the rough-stuff he has to put up with.

Don't worry. Blame Clinton.

This is sure to help.

So, far, none of the GWB supporters have answered the question as something GOOD that he has done. (Tax cut for the wealthy and Don't Call List don't count)

Lots of stuff about Clinton's BJs, carrying a "big stick", etc. But nothing about any real benefits. Pleanty of name-calling, straw men but nothing good and solid.

This has Nothing to do with being GOP or DEM, Conservative or Liberal, Fascist or Commie, smart or stupid, religious or atheist.

C'mon, Bush supporters, before the flames die down..

Do you think the Iraqi snipers are watching CNN?. Besides W probably didn't write it anyway. His version of Rob Lowe did. Don't you people watch the West Wing? Sheesh...

All Flame Wars aside... If these terrorists, bad guys, whatever you call them, are emboldened by this remark and stick their heads out of the mosques they're hiding in, it was most definately worth any risk to our troops.

Hey, it's not like it's his kids dying over there. BRING IT ON!

But you forget that the continual appeasment by Clinton is what led to 9/11. Our unwillingness to get dirty to fight against Al-Queda led them to believe the 9/11 attack could be carried off W only a token missle attack as a response. Bush is a strong leader in the sense that he is willing to stand up for America's interests, or at least what he feels is in Americas interests.

Let me guess, you actually think Iraq was behind 9-11 don't you? Because this war wasn't about looking for Bin-Ladin or his minions, but about defeating the great threat of Iraq and its arsenal of WMDs. Remember that? Remember the dire warnings?

I'm all for using our military might to protect our countries and dissuade attackers. But remember that our latest war was not about defense, but about a pre-emptive strike. At least, that's what the administration told us before the war began...

albo: Regardless of whether or not a $800 tax refund is a lot, Its probably only gone up about $40 with bush's tax cut, which is not worth the crappy economic situtuation we're in. How much has it gone up?

Then, addressing the camera directly, Bush asked Iraqi militants if they "want some of this," and assured them that they were "going down."

Added Powell, "it is on, biatches."

Ummm, are you people serious? Do you really think Bush saying 'bring 'em on' will have any affect on the amount of soldiers we lose over there? Some people will use any lame reason to bash Bush. If Bush said he doesn't like Saddam, some people would bash him saying that it's gonna get more troops killed.

I'm not a "bush-hater" but I think this was a really, really stupid statement, whether or not it will affect the number of solidiers killed. Saying "I don't like Saddam" is a far cry from "Bring it on."

You can cut the foolishness in this thread with a knife.

Ugh. Ditto, my friend.

Here's a link to the text of Syowr's post, in case anyone else is interested. Sorry if I farked it up, I'm still new to all this.

Daddy, why did we invade Iraq?

albo

Enjoy that $800. It'll cost your kids and their kids thousands of dollars and their Social Security benefits to pay it back. National deficit is going to be approaching $8 trillion next year if current forecasts persist. Woohoo.