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(Washington Post)   Washington Redskins officially achieve historical level of fail   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Redskins, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan, first downs, play action pass, single swing  
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2010-11-19 08:45:16 AM  
Cry me a new Potomac.
 
2010-11-19 08:55:47 AM  
The obvious answer is coaching change.
 
2010-11-19 09:15:31 AM  
Man, it's apparently Pile on the Redskins Week here on FARK.

40yoVirgin: The obvious answer is coaching change.


Given that dipsh*t Snyder's history, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he fired Shanahan and offered ump-teen million to Cowher or Gruden, or even Bob Stoops. Who of course he would replace in less than two years once the Redskins fail to make the playoffs again.
 
2010-11-19 10:50:29 AM  
"Since they started keeping track of records since 1991" doesn't sound very historic. That would be like saying the Celtics finally won their first-ever championship in 2008.
 
2010-11-19 10:51:21 AM  
It's the black guy's fault
 
2010-11-19 11:05:13 AM  
When they get any sort of penalty I know the drive is over. But the defense compensates with penalties to extend oponnents' drives.

It's quite a combo.
 
2010-11-19 11:08:40 AM  

DubyaHater: It's the black guy's fault


according to whitlock he has a problem with getting chicken grease on his fingers in between plays.
 
2010-11-19 11:12:59 AM  

Mike_LowELL: "Since they started keeping track of records since 1991" doesn't sound very historic. That would be like saying the Celtics finally won their first-ever championship in 2008.


Agreed. 20 years isn't much for a team that's been around for over 70 years. You still might want to look into that, though, guys.
 
2010-11-19 11:15:21 AM  
As a Redskins fan, I am not surprised by this... I like to think of myself as a sane Redskins fan (they do exist) and predicted they would go 6-10 this year with 8-8 the best they could do. Right now, I am on pace, but don't see how they'll get those other two wins to meet my prediction.

Also, with stats like this, Snyder (that dbag) will think "Oh we need to spend a high draft pick on a wide receiver/running back/new quarterback! Wait! I'll just trade this pick (and three other first round picks) to San Diego for Vincent Jackson! That will solve all our woes!"

And then there are countless Redskins fans, while decrying Snyder as the owner of our team will buy into his hype and expect playoffs and more. It is a vicious cycle.
 
2010-11-19 11:18:11 AM  
Here's DC sports talk radio personality Chad Dukes with some thoughtful ruminations on the state of the Redskins the morning following that debacle. Link (new window)
 
2010-11-19 11:21:48 AM  
www.mouthpiecesports.com

Rex Grossman traveled here all the way from the future in order to unleash the dragon.
 
2010-11-19 11:30:55 AM  
AS a Caps fan, it is in my interest for the Redskins to suck for as long as possible, at least a decade or so. Oh, wait...
 
2010-11-19 11:41:48 AM  

Nabb1: Here's DC sports talk radio personality Chad Dukes with some thoughtful ruminations on the state of the Redskins the morning following that debacle. Link (new window)


GET 'EM!
 
2010-11-19 11:47:04 AM  
Historical ≠ historic, subby.
 
2010-11-19 11:58:00 AM  

tnpir: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he fired Shanahan and offered ump-teen million to Cowher or Gruden, or even Bob Stoops.


And all of those people would go, "Work for you? I don't think so."

And then Shanahan would hire Lameass McDumbfark who coaches a high school team and is willing to work for $40K/season. And then Shanahan would pass the savings onto the fans by increasing ticket prices 30% and requiring local news stations to pay $20K/interview with any member of the staff and $100K/interview with any member of the team.

//Not a Redskins fan, but it's a crime what Snyder does to the fans
 
2010-11-19 11:58:13 AM  
It's obviously McNabb's fault that the team can't convert on 3rd and 3.
 
2010-11-19 12:08:12 PM  
The low point came in Monday's loss to Philadelphia when the Redskins failed to reach the first-down marker a single time in 10 third-down attempts. In 144 NFL games this season, only seven times has a team failed to convert a single third down
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Apparently that means there's quite a few other teams that royally suck too.

If you can't convert even 1 third down, you have SERIOUS issues.

/Unless you're so good that you don't get almost any third downs.
 
2010-11-19 12:11:44 PM  

Wendy's Chili: It's obviously McNabb's fault that the team can't convert on 3rd and 3.


I personally blame Kyle "fark it Let's go deep " Shanahan. When you are basically running at will on your opponent, 3rd and short is NOT the time to try the low percentage long bomb. yes it's flashy, and no the defense won't be expecting that, but it's unexpected for a REASON, mostly because its assinine
 
2010-11-19 12:16:05 PM  
Well everbody makes mistakes in they lifetime
 
2010-11-19 12:22:06 PM  

Wendy's Chili: It's obviously McNabb's fault that the team can't convert on 3rd and 3.


It starts with the qb. Why would a team trade a qb within their own division?? I'm guessing, it's becaus he is äbfall. Limbaugh and TO were right.
 
2010-11-19 12:26:44 PM  
The only solution is to draft oline men for the next 3 years, first round, no exception.
 
2010-11-19 12:48:35 PM  

Alkoholiker: Wendy's Chili: It's obviously McNabb's fault that the team can't convert on 3rd and 3.

It starts with the qb. Why would a team trade a qb within their own division?? I'm guessing, it's becaus he is äbfall. Limbaugh and TO were right.


Yes, you and Limbaugh are absolutely right. The Eagles didn't trade him because they had three starting-quality quarterbacks on their team, they traded him because black guys aren't smart enough to throw a football.
 
2010-11-19 01:02:27 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Yes, you and Limbaugh are absolutely right. The Eagles didn't trade him because they had three starting-quality quarterbacks on their team, they traded him because black guys aren't smart enough to throw a football.


They traded him because it was obvious he had hit the top of his game a few years earlier and it was only down from here on out.

People think Mcnabb had a great season last year because they look at highlights and stats, but if you disect the games you'll see his stats are loaded because he hit on several huge plays to Desean Jackson, but in general he was erratic and couldn't convert on 3rd down... oh just like this year.
 
2010-11-19 01:08:09 PM  

Nabb1: Here's DC sports talk radio personality Chad Dukes with some thoughtful ruminations on the state of the Redskins the morning following that debacle. Link (new window)


I WANT REPARATIONS! I WANT REDSKINS REPARATIONS!

/IIRC, New Orleans is the #1 team in the NFL at converting third downs
 
2010-11-19 01:09:16 PM  
gotta love an article about how low their conversion rate is that doesn't even mention what the rate is
 
rka
2010-11-19 01:16:38 PM  
Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?
 
rka
2010-11-19 01:18:49 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Yes, you and Limbaugh are absolutely right. The Eagles didn't trade him because they had three starting-quality quarterbacks on their team, they traded him because black guys aren't smart enough to throw a football.


You don't trade a QB within your own division unless you think he's dogshiate.
 
2010-11-19 01:21:10 PM  
McNabb is still capable of being a good QB, but he can't carry a team on his back anymore like he used to do with terrible receivers like Thrash and Pinkston. The Eagles made effort to bring in people like TO back in the day and draft guys like DeSean Jackson and Maclin for a reason, at this point in his career McNabb needs weapons to carry some of the load.

The Redskin receivers are awful, their line is awful, and they had a good D but blew up the scheme for no reason. McNabb has some of the blame, he is is usual inaccurate self at times, but the bottom line is the organization is dysfunctional from the top. They are not capable of building a team, and they never learn that old free agents, even great ones like McNabb, are only a small part of the puzzle. They give away too many draft picks, they waste too much money.

By the time they can fix this team, if they can, McNabb will be done and they will have wasted his last few years. They should trade him for draft picks.
 
2010-11-19 01:44:48 PM  
And yet they still have a better record than the Cowboys.
 
2010-11-19 01:47:07 PM  
Here we go. Claim: Donovan had crap players on offense in Philly.
Truth: he had one of the best O lines the Eagles have ever had and he had one of the top 3 backs (Westbrook) who was a great receiver. He had decent receivers and had a great one (Terrell Ownes) just one year. Not to mention he had Duce Staley before Westbrook as well who was also a very good runner and a good pass catcher. Eagles also had a very good defense. Donovan is no different now that he's in Washington. It's just that he really doesn't have a great cast around him so he won't get the wins that he used to. He is just a slightly better than mediocre quarterback now that he can't run like he once could.
 
2010-11-19 01:57:18 PM  
My god, these days LaVar Arrington looks like Mr. Sandman from Mike Tyson's Punch-Out

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2010-11-19 02:03:23 PM  

GacysBasement: Here we go. Claim: Donovan had crap players on offense in Philly.
Truth: he had one of the best O lines the Eagles have ever had and he had one of the top 3 backs (Westbrook) who was a great receiver. He had decent receivers and had a great one (Terrell Ownes) just one year. Not to mention he had Duce Staley before Westbrook as well who was also a very good runner and a good pass catcher. Eagles also had a very good defense. Donovan is no different now that he's in Washington. It's just that he really doesn't have a great cast around him so he won't get the wins that he used to. He is just a slightly better than mediocre quarterback now that he can't run like he once could.


I agree 75%

He also had a very reliable tightend in Chad Lewis who must have caught half his passes off of his shoetops.

But McNabb was a good QB. He was always a top 10 QB but never near the elite status. He would also suck it up in big or key spots.
 
2010-11-19 02:11:32 PM  

GacysBasement: Here we go. Claim: Donovan had crap players on offense in Philly.
Truth: he had one of the best O lines the Eagles have ever had and he had one of the top 3 backs (Westbrook) who was a great receiver. He had decent receivers and had a great one (Terrell Ownes) just one year. Not to mention he had Duce Staley before Westbrook as well who was also a very good runner and a good pass catcher. Eagles also had a very good defense. Donovan is no different now that he's in Washington. It's just that he really doesn't have a great cast around him so he won't get the wins that he used to. He is just a slightly better than mediocre quarterback now that he can't run like he once could.


I gotta know who these decent receivers were. My memory may be hazy, but James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Greg Lewis are not decent receivers.
 
2010-11-19 02:13:05 PM  
I blame Adam Archuletta.
 
2010-11-19 02:13:12 PM  

rka: Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?


Because Dan Snyder is an idiot.
 
2010-11-19 02:17:01 PM  
I wouldn't wish Dan Snyder on my worst enemy. And by that, I mean Cowboys fans. At least Jerry Jones is "Fun Crazy" and not "Evil/Sad Crazy."

You know how I know we have the absolute worst owner in the league? because no fan base would want to trade owners - not even the Raiders fans, because "At least Al Davis will be dead soon."
 
2010-11-19 02:17:55 PM  

InFlamesWeTrust: I gotta know who these decent receivers were. My memory may be hazy, but James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, and Greg Lewis are not decent receivers.


Thrash and Lewis were about the same level of receiver Brady won the Super Bowl with.

They were solid, quick receivers.

Pinkston was a decent deep threat, but not much else.
 
2010-11-19 03:17:33 PM  

rka: Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?


rka: Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?



I've hated the Broncos since the 80's and Shanahan since he started there. As a Redskins fan, it's hard seeing The Rat on the sidelines but come don't be spewing misinformation. He's had 4 top-five years, 3 average and just 2 bad years converting 3rd downs for the Broncos last decade.

1995: 43% (ranked 8th in NFL)
1996: 49% (1st)
1997: 42% (3rd)
1998: 44% (6th)
1999: 37% (16th)
2000: 44% (4th)
2001: 38% (14th)
2002: 38% (3rd)
2003: 39% (12th)
2004: 38% (5th)
2005: 36% (22nd)
2006: 37% (20th)
2007: 40% (15th)
2008: 48% (3rd)

Career average on 3rd down conversion: 41%
Comes out to averaging: 9.4 NFL rank

The Rat averaged in Top 10 in his 14 year career. His problem has always been his defensive personnel decisions, not his offense.
 
2010-11-19 03:21:14 PM  
Nothing will ever change for the Redskins so long as Dark Helmet is running the show.

Should Redskins fans plan a hostile overthrow, I'm in.
 
2010-11-19 03:38:28 PM  
merkey88:
The only solution is to draft oline men for the next 3 years, first round, no exception.

That presumes the front office has the brains to not trade the first round picks away willy-nilly like it has in the past (a mere three 1st round picks between 1969 and 1990). OTOH, when the Redskins have had 1st round picks, they've been doozies - Green, Monk, May were those three from the drought years, and more recently Landry, Orakpo, Samuels, and Trent Williams. Sean Taylor was also a 1st rounder.

DoBeDoBeDo:
And yet they still have a better record than the Cowboys.

For now, but they still have to play at Dallas as well as the Giants twice.
 
2010-11-19 03:40:12 PM  

MugzyBrown: GacysBasement: Here we go. Claim: Donovan had crap players on offense in Philly.
Truth: he had one of the best O lines the Eagles have ever had and he had one of the top 3 backs (Westbrook) who was a great receiver.

But McNabb was a good QB. He was always a top 10 QB but never near the elite status. He would also suck it up in big or key spots.


Westbook has over 10% of McNabb's all time passing yards.
A ton more of McNabb's yards were vultured up by other RB's as well. People always fault Reid for not running the ball enough (and maybe he doesn't), but those 1 yard pass plays really are just runs. Runs that bloat McNabb's stats and make him appear to be a much, much better QB than he actually is. Philly fans have known this for years, and now that he is on the Redskins, everyone else understanding what McNabb is, just a decent QB.
 
rka
2010-11-19 04:51:45 PM  

farkMcFark: rka: Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?

rka: Mike Shanahan's offenses struggled on 3rd down conversions for most of his last 10 years in Denver no matter who was QB or RB. Griese & Portis. Plummer and Bell. Cutler and..a cast of thousands. Didn't matter. Shanahan couldn't figure out 3rd downs or Red Zone..and he got canned.

Why did anyone think a year off was going to solve that?


I've hated the Broncos since the 80's and Shanahan since he started there. As a Redskins fan, it's hard seeing The Rat on the sidelines but come don't be spewing misinformation. He's had 4 top-five years, 3 average and just 2 bad years converting 3rd downs for the Broncos last decade.

1995: 43% (ranked 8th in NFL)
1996: 49% (1st)
1997: 42% (3rd)
1998: 44% (6th)
1999: 37% (16th)
2000: 44% (4th)
2001: 38% (14th)
2002: 38% (3rd)
2003: 39% (12th)
2004: 38% (5th)
2005: 36% (22nd)
2006: 37% (20th)
2007: 40% (15th)
2008: 48% (3rd)

Career average on 3rd down conversion: 41%
Comes out to averaging: 9.4 NFL rank

The Rat averaged in Top 10 in his 14 year career. His problem has always been his defensive personnel decisions, not his offense.


Everyone knows there is "With Elway" and "Without Elway". Drop those first 4 years and you're left with 10 years, as I originally stated, where he was middle of the pack or worse 6 times.

This is with the vaunted "Put anyone behind the Denver OLine and they'll get 1000 yards" offense he had.

Even that 2008 3rd ranking is somewhat of a mirage because though Denver was 2nd in Net yards offensively, they were 12th or 13th in actual scoring.

He's a bad 3rd down or Red Zone coach. He's a good "when we have the lead" or "when I'm in a favorable position to take a gamble" coach.
 
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