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(Some Guy)   The story of MoH recipient, SSG Sal Giunta, as told by himself when he doesn't have to worry about the censors on 60 Minutes, or insulting the President. Not safe for work Language   (restrepothemovie.com ) divider line
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2010-11-17 10:26:02 AM  
This needs to be green. Get off your asses, mods.
 
2010-11-17 10:28:38 AM  
a good listen. You don't have to be a war monger to appreciate some battlefield heroism.
 
2010-11-17 10:48:18 AM  
That was outstanding. Thank you, submitter.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:48 AM  
To me it didn't get so "good" until about 12 minutes in when they ask the guy how it feels, but after that wow.
 
wee
2010-11-17 11:00:43 AM  
The man handles himself well, no doubt about it. Loved the painting metaphor, too.
 
2010-11-17 11:03:22 AM  
Had me choking up. Well done.
 
2010-11-17 11:07:44 AM  
Green please
 
2010-11-17 11:09:05 AM  
Wow. Really impressive. The guy and the production. Greenlight this, modmins.
 
2010-11-17 11:57:08 AM  
Nice one subbs.
 
2010-11-17 12:06:22 PM  
I rarely do this, but good on you for green lighting this, Mr./Ms. Admin.
 
wee
2010-11-17 12:15:12 PM  
Woot! Green!
 
2010-11-17 12:22:08 PM  
I have to admit, I cried like a little girl during his ceremony. I cried like a little girl when I watched this clip, and I'm going to cry like a little girl on Nov 29th when I finally get to see "Restrepo". It will be on the National Geographic channel at 9PM ET. I highly recommend everyone watch it if at all possible. It's a year long story about SSG Giunta's company in the Valley of Death. Not his platoon, but I'm sure the stories will interconnect.

/Subby
//Army Infantryman 89-94
 
2010-11-17 12:25:25 PM  
That was great.
 
2010-11-17 12:50:54 PM  

this_is_ace: This needs to be green. Get off your asses, mods.


Mods don't green things, but it did go green.

A guy that did his job and has the 1,000 yard stare.

One heck of a guy! He did what he thought was right, for his soldiers, his men and himself.

May you and your brass balls be happy and enjoy your life. Time to forget and get on with the rest of it. Thanks for what you did, your men appreciated it, so do we.
 
2010-11-17 01:02:17 PM  

FilmBELOH20:

/Subby


Thank you for this.

//Army Infantryman 89-94



And that.
 
2010-11-17 01:13:56 PM  
These are the men doing the job we've asked them to do.

Say what you will about the conflict, the reasons, the cold calculus of the situation, but these are the men who are doing the job we've asked of them, and doing it without reservation. Now honor them by doing what is right by them, because for damn sure they deserve that.
 
2010-11-17 01:39:29 PM  
Thank you for the link. It is a heck of a story and I will be watching the whole movie when it comes out.
 
2010-11-17 01:46:15 PM  
That was a good watch, I'll be sharing it.
 
2010-11-17 01:58:58 PM  
Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.
 
2010-11-17 02:11:12 PM  
I know Afghanistan is dusty, but how the hell did so much just blow into my cubicle?

I tried to enlist back in 2003, and was denied due to a previous accident causing me to have metal plates in my arm. I'd like to think i'd have done the same thing in that situation, but these men are carved from stone.

I'm jealous, thankful, and humbled.

Excellent find subby.
 
2010-11-17 02:25:53 PM  

MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.


Agreed, but there will be douche bags here pulling this in two different political directions very soon all the same. Too bad really. Take it for what it is. A soldier doing the job he was asked to do and doing something amazingly brave.
 
2010-11-17 02:55:01 PM  
awesome
 
2010-11-17 02:58:25 PM  

bongmiester: awesome


Not exactly the word I'd use to describe the film, but I think I understand the sentiment at least.
 
2010-11-17 03:32:06 PM  
OK so I think this guy needs to get his big metal balls cleaned because some dust off them got in my eye.
For you FARKers that haven't read War by Sebastian Junger or seen the film of the book Resterpo then you need to do it - this guy and his story is in it. Totally blew me away.
You want to talk about hero, this guy is it, 100%.
 
2010-11-17 03:33:04 PM  
Not at all a bookmark.
 
2010-11-17 03:33:11 PM  

hubiestubert: bongmiester: awesome

Not exactly the word I'd use to describe the film, but I think I understand the sentiment at least.


nah awesome is good. It makes you feel awe, the real meaning of the word if you don't mind me giving my opinion on a language thats not my own
 
2010-11-17 03:34:43 PM  
Restrepo is on my Ondemand currently. That little show will blow your damn socks off.


/Hats off to those who serve
//Has too much sand in vagina to ever serve
 
2010-11-17 03:39:02 PM  

Schmoppo: I know Afghanistan is dusty, but how the hell did so much just blow into my cubicle?

I tried to enlist back in 2003, and was denied due to a previous accident causing me to have metal plates in my arm. I'd like to think i'd have done the same thing in that situation, but these men are carved from stone.

I'm jealous, thankful, and humbled.

Excellent find subby.


This.

MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.


And that.
 
2010-11-17 03:39:16 PM  

Solid State Vittles: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

Agreed, but there will be douche bags here pulling this in two different political directions very soon all the same. Too bad really. Take it for what it is. A soldier doing the job he was asked to do and doing something amazingly brave.


There's a reason they usually only award the MoH posthumously. Dead soldiers don't embarass the powers that be. They won't use foul language, they won't publicly criticise military or political "leaders," they won't get in trouble with the law, and they won't do anything except look good in bas-relief.

Medals sometimes (and in this case) go to people who deserve them, but usually it's political
 
2010-11-17 03:43:39 PM  
So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.
 
2010-11-17 03:46:23 PM  
At work right now but will definitely check this out later.
 
2010-11-17 03:46:51 PM  
The whole reason he deserved it is summed up in two words.

"Fark You."

/Manly tears...
 
2010-11-17 03:46:55 PM  

SJKebab: Not at all a bookmark.


This is.
 
2010-11-17 03:47:08 PM  
Wonderful and moving. I'm looking forward to watching this.

I also hope he copes with the situation well. Hearing his voice break at times, it sounds like he's carrying an awful lot of undue weight.
 
2010-11-17 03:48:31 PM  
Waiting for the "he's no hero", "I suppose it's okay to kill brown people" morans...
 
2010-11-17 03:49:40 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


Wow...

Fischer recently argued that it's time to get rid of the "curse" that is the Grizzly Bear because of the number of humans who have been killed by bears: "One human being is worth more than an infinite number of grizzly bears. Another way to put it is that there is no number of live grizzlies worth one dead human being. If it's a choice between grizzlies and humans, the grizzlies have to go. And it's time."

He's a real life Colbert.
 
2010-11-17 03:50:38 PM  

Fabric_Man: Medals sometimes (and in this case) go to people who deserve them, but usually it's political


I was referring more to the "Restrepo failed, we shouldn't even be there" vs. "carpet bomb all of Afghanistan" mentalities, but your point is still well-taken.
 
2010-11-17 03:50:54 PM  
Medal of Honor stories make my room really dusty.

I salute you, SSG Salvatore Giunta.

/US Army Paratrooper, '01-'06
 
2010-11-17 03:50:54 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.



Not surprising. They'd probably look at those guys who got wounded and give them the little band aids with the purple heart on it. That's apparently the level of respect they have for our wounded veterans.
 
2010-11-17 03:53:03 PM  

Christian Bale: AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


Not surprising. They'd probably look at those guys who got wounded and give them the little band aids with the purple heart on it. That's apparently the level of respect they have for our wounded veterans.


Is this really the thread to start a political pissing match in?
 
2010-11-17 03:53:30 PM  
Great story, and apparently a great person as well as soldier.
 
2010-11-17 03:55:47 PM  
All this time I thought "Restrepo" was a hipster band homage to Parks n Rec Jeanine Restrepo, whose husband has a drinking problem. I can stop grumbling at the theater now.

/I seriously thought this with my wife for a couple of weeks now :(

//Hats off to the MoH and glad ya made it back!
 
2010-11-17 03:56:46 PM  
Words can't do justice here. I tried a few times but it just kept sounding dumb.

Thanks to SSG Giunta and all the other heroes of the U.S. military.
 
2010-11-17 03:57:10 PM  
Probably a bookmark.
 
2010-11-17 04:00:33 PM  
Hero tag not big enough for this guy.
 
2010-11-17 04:01:17 PM  
Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.
 
2010-11-17 04:01:57 PM  
anyone have the transcript? work filter says NO!
 
2010-11-17 04:03:03 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.


FTFA:

Bryan Fischer, the "Director of Issues Analysis" for the conservative Christian group the American Family Association, was unhappy yesterday that President Obama awarded the Medal of Honor to a soldier for saving lives. This, Fischer wrote on his blog, shows that the Medal of Honor has been "feminized" because "we now award it only for preventing casualties, not for inflicting them."

Huh.

I'll be back later to lurk the flamewar.

/Thanks for your service, SSgt. Giunta
 
2010-11-17 04:04:41 PM  
...and this film shows why he is deserving of this honor.

/I'm a commie libtard
 
2010-11-17 04:06:45 PM  
I saw Restrepo in the theater and it was a damn good documentary.
 
2010-11-17 04:07:17 PM  

JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man sad whining 12 y/o and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.


Troll eyes see what they want, or you're a farking retard and didn't watch the video.
 
2010-11-17 04:07:26 PM  

Trance354: anyone have the transcript? work filter says NO!


Submit a help request from IT asking why they hate America.
 
2010-11-17 04:10:05 PM  
I must have missed the insult to the President.
 
2010-11-17 04:13:07 PM  
To the service people who signed up to kill and be killed in a war with no clear purpose, because the military's pay and benefits looked better than anything else their country was offering: I salute you.
 
2010-11-17 04:13:08 PM  
Damn.
 
2010-11-17 04:13:23 PM  
Iowa representing.
 
2010-11-17 04:13:25 PM  

this_is_ace: This needs to be green. Get off your asses, mods.


yes SIR idiot SIR!!!
 
2010-11-17 04:13:33 PM  
He's humble, heroic and handsome as all get out. If he wasn't married, he'd be pulling women off of him with a cro-bar.
 
2010-11-17 04:13:54 PM  
Can't wait to see this
 
2010-11-17 04:15:31 PM  

Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.


Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.
 
2010-11-17 04:16:17 PM  
Sadly, this douchebag thinks differently

Link (new window)

Farkers unite to destroy the moron!
 
2010-11-17 04:16:36 PM  
This guy, this Sal Giunta. He is my newest hero. What humility! What an awesome guy. Thank God Almighty for guys like him. He has earned my depest respect, and it would be my pleasure to render him a salute some day.
 
2010-11-17 04:16:40 PM  
bookmark.
 
2010-11-17 04:17:19 PM  
When they speak about the engagement and describe the darkness, why is the film shot in broad daylight?
 
2010-11-17 04:18:03 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Christian Bale: AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


Not surprising. They'd probably look at those guys who got wounded and give them the little band aids with the purple heart on it. That's apparently the level of respect they have for our wounded veterans.

Is this really the thread to start a political pissing match in?


[welcometofark.jpg]
 
2010-11-17 04:18:26 PM  

JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.


I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?
 
2010-11-17 04:18:31 PM  
I for one am very glad that this went to an enlisted servicemember. There are way too many officer ribbon chasers and way too many people who look the other way. The enlisted do the real work.

/officers shouldn't even get ribbons and medals
 
2010-11-17 04:19:18 PM  

JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.


People who are controlled by emotions (women, gays) cry about stuff like this.
 
2010-11-17 04:19:40 PM  

wee: Loved the painting metaphor, too.


+1
 
2010-11-17 04:20:17 PM  
He is highly attractive.
 
2010-11-17 04:22:13 PM  

FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?


But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).
 
2010-11-17 04:22:52 PM  

JohnFernelius: Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.


My first reaction was to simply post "you sound civilian," but after some more thought I realize that not everyone has the same reaction to things like this. Perhaps you should come to that understanding as well.

I can name a number of things that cause me to tear up fairly quickly: Taps played on a bugle, the boots/rifle/helmet/tags memorial, "Roll Call," the missing man formation, Amazing Grace, and most posthumous award citations.

Perhaps it's the dozens of military memorial/funeral ceremonies I've attended. Perhaps it's because quite a few of my friends had large portraits surrounded by wreaths at the front of those ceremonies. I don't know.

Just please don't try and act like you're more of a "man" than someone else because of it, though.
 
2010-11-17 04:23:10 PM  
Lots of dust in this thread
 
2010-11-17 04:23:14 PM  

ShereKhan: Sadly, this douchebag thinks differently

Link (new window)

Farkers unite to destroy the moron!


Wow. AFA-endorsed, even. I probably shouldn't be surprised by that.
 
2010-11-17 04:23:25 PM  

Trance354: anyone have the transcript? work filter says NO!


I think this (new window) is what you're looking for.
 
2010-11-17 04:23:48 PM  
Just wanted to stop in and be another person to thank subby for that link.

Very good. I hope that guy does alright in life because he's been through a lot.
 
2010-11-17 04:23:50 PM  
If you are in Charleston, SC and decide to tour the Yorktown there is a Medal of Honor museum there. Lists all the recipients and their citations. We were there with a youth group camping overnight on the ship, spent about 3 hours browsing the citations during the evening.

Many many acts of bravery. Got teared up reading about the 2 special forces guys in Mogadishu in 93, that is way beyond the call of duty.
 
2010-11-17 04:24:14 PM  
I am humbled having people like him defending our liberties.
 
2010-11-17 04:25:05 PM  

CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.


And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.
 
2010-11-17 04:26:09 PM  

I should have been aborted: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

People who are controlled by emotions (women, gays) cry about stuff like this.


A troll agreeing with another troll? Whoda thunkit?
 
2010-11-17 04:26:19 PM  

I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).


I know it's Fark and all that, but...could you at least stop being an asshole for like....5 minutes? Please? Asshole?

Thank you SSGT Giunta.

Also, To DIAF is too good for Bryan Fischer. Asshole never even considered wearing the uniform, so he has no right to criticize.

USN '80-'84
 
2010-11-17 04:26:20 PM  
This firefight and events leading up to and after it are also covered in Sebastian Junger's book, "War" - good read.

I hope SSG Giunta can come to peace with receiving the MoH; he clearly struggles with feeling he did nothing to deserve it. I'm sure he realizes what he did saved the rest of the platoon and many parents, spouses, siblings thank him for that. He thinks he only did what the other guys would have done, but the fact is, he's the one who did it, and though he doesn't feel heroic, he probably seems so to those whom he saved.
 
2010-11-17 04:27:32 PM  
Amazing.

Thank you, subby. Thank you SSG Giunta. Thank you to all of you brave men and women that serve and/or have served.

/I might not always agree with the orders your leaders give you
//but it's stories like these that make me stand in awe of your dedication and abilities
///thank you for all that you do
 
2010-11-17 04:27:37 PM  

I should have been aborted: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

People who are controlled by emotions (women, gays) cry about stuff like this.


Something tells me you go to church in Topeka...
 
2010-11-17 04:29:18 PM  
Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.
 
2010-11-17 04:30:03 PM  
Fabric_Man Quote 2010-11-17 03:39:16 PM

There's a reason they usually only award the MoH posthumously. Dead soldiers don't embarass the powers that be.

>>>

Uh no. The reason most are dead is because being rambo gets you killed 9999 times out of 1000. Acting heroic on the battlefield almost always gets you 6 feet under
 
2010-11-17 04:30:17 PM  

CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.


That sounded like an average incredulous reaction to me. Was it the president who told him personally? I figure word would probably have come down the pipeline before Obama got directly involved.
 
2010-11-17 04:30:33 PM  

I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).


Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.
 
2010-11-17 04:30:50 PM  
How Staff Sgt Giunta spoke upon his feelings upon being told he was up for the Medal of Honor speaks volume to the character. I'd be surprised if any who have received high honors for their conduct in combat actually thought they deserved it.

I suppose in the end that is what is more impressive. What I and many others could never bring ourselves to do is what this man sees as just doing the job, just another day.

/goddamnit there's too much dust in here today
 
2010-11-17 04:31:07 PM  
fark you
 
2010-11-17 04:31:17 PM  
Chindit [TotalFark] Quote 2010-11-17 10:28:38 AM
a good listen. You don't have to be a war monger to appreciate some battlefield heroism.

>>>

The only reason you would want to learn more info about it and hear from a completely off the charts PTSD person is because you glorify war and accept it as normal.
 
2010-11-17 04:32:28 PM  
To SSG Giunta and all servicepeople sticking their necks out everyday:

img2.imageshack.us
 
2010-11-17 04:33:31 PM  
Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.



love it!
 
2010-11-17 04:33:38 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.


If you listen carefully to him telling the story, when the ambush started, there were about 30 RPG's launched. RPGs are "rocket-propelled grenades" which are sometimes used to target low-flying...wait for it...helicopters.
 
2010-11-17 04:33:54 PM  

Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.


Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.
 
2010-11-17 04:34:10 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.


Think for a minute why the helicopters wouldn't want to light themselves up like the Sun in a combat situation. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a reason fairly quickly.
 
2010-11-17 04:34:10 PM  
dammit! had to watch twice... kept getting dust in my eye.
 
2010-11-17 04:34:42 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.


I'm fairly certain they do, but that would have also blinded the s*** out of the US personnel on the ground and probably put them at greater risk than they already were.

/just a guess
 
2010-11-17 04:35:18 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


I can't help but notice that TPM failed to actually link to the post it was quoting. WTF TPM?

However here is the actual post: http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500421

His point is slightly more valid (and he's certainly not complaining about Giunta, merely the trend) if you read it in context. The money quote: "every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one."

He speculates that this is due to PCness infesting the MoH selection committees, so that they no longer think "killing thirty bad guys single-handed" is worthy of such public commendation the way it was in, say, WW2 or WW1.

But I think the point he's really missing here is this: killing thirty enemies single-handed is no longer hard. In every theater, we outnumber them, we seriously outgun them, we have better communications and basically every possible thing on our side. Killing bad guys is no longer difficult; the difficult part is finding bad guys, identifying bad guys, and not shooting any civilians while you're in the process.

There are no longer MoHs for single-handedly charging an enemy gun emplacement, because the enemy no longer has gun emplacements, and if they ever do then you just hide behind something call in an airstrike. But there's still plenty of call for soldiers to risk their lives to save their wounded comrades, so that's who's getting the medals nowadays.
 
2010-11-17 04:35:20 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Is this really the thread to start a political pissing match in?


welcometofark.jpb

=)
 
2010-11-17 04:36:33 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.


That's a good idea, but the military has better ways of doing it.

Each rifleman has an lazer on their rifle that can only be seen by NVGs. In a situation like that, the grunts can "paint" the target without revealing their position, since the pilot has NVGs too.

If this wasn't done, then the grunts probably weren't sure where the firing was coming from either.

/also, bright lights wash out NVGs
 
2010-11-17 04:36:41 PM  
Dang man...that's TRUE humility there...some folks seem to act that way, as thought they're supposed to. You can feel it coming from this guy.
 
2010-11-17 04:37:01 PM  

Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.


Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]
 
2010-11-17 04:37:02 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.

If you listen carefully to him telling the story, when the ambush started, there were about 30 RPG's launched. RPGs are "rocket-propelled grenades" which are sometimes used to target low-flying...wait for it...helicopters.


This, and the whole thing was over in a matter of a few minutes. There wasn't a lot of time to react. Additionally, you're talking about a mountainous area at night; not a good place for helicopters.
 
2010-11-17 04:37:09 PM  
Why isn't this (and stuff like this) on TV?
 
2010-11-17 04:37:21 PM  
Dammit. I thought allergy season was over. I must have something in my eye.
 
2010-11-17 04:38:47 PM  

superdude72: To the service people who signed up to kill and be killed in a war with no clear purpose, because the military's pay and benefits looked better than anything else their country was offering: I salute you.


newsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2010-11-17 04:38:55 PM  
Who has Mr. Fischer's email address?
 
2010-11-17 04:39:48 PM  
Meh. I did more than that and all I got was an AAM.

Just trollin'. SSG Giunta is a hero, and I salute him.
 
2010-11-17 04:39:50 PM  

dittybopper: Think for a minute why the helicopters wouldn't want to light themselves up like the Sun in a combat situation. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a reason fairly quickly.


Are you saying that being in combat isn't safe? Duh. If the stuff flying around isn't willing to risk damage in order to help the troops on the ground, then what good is it?
 
2010-11-17 04:39:54 PM  

MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.


WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.
 
2010-11-17 04:40:02 PM  

ShereKhan: Who has Mr. Fischer's email address?


You are breaking the rules outlined in the FArQ
 
2010-11-17 04:41:51 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.


I am sure there were amazingly brave german soldiers who put their lives on the line for their fellow soldiers every day. We should honor heroism, no matter what the purpose behind it is. The medal of honor should be awarded to suicide bombers too, who selflessly give their lives for their cause.
 
2010-11-17 04:42:23 PM  
AntiNerd 2010-11-17 03:43:39 PM
Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)
Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

-------------------

...and this is the American left wing for you today...

4.bp.blogspot.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-11-17 04:42:36 PM  
<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5765307&IDComment=649​10695#c649 10695">FilmBELOH20</a>:</b> <i>Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.

Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.</i>

What your talking about would not have insulted the president. It would just have been inappropriate. Subby knew what he was doing.
 
2010-11-17 04:43:17 PM  
Ahh!
 
2010-11-17 04:43:40 PM  

I should have been aborted: Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.

I am sure there were amazingly brave german soldiers who put their lives on the line for their fellow soldiers every day. We should honor heroism, no matter what the purpose behind it is. The medal of honor should be awarded to suicide bombers too, who selflessly give their lives for their cause.


Don't lump those jawas in with the Germans. >:o
 
2010-11-17 04:43:46 PM  

Jorge Sum: However here is the actual post: http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500421

His point is slightly more valid (and he's certainly not complaining about Giunta, merely the trend) if you read it in context. The money quote: "every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one."

He speculates that this is due to PCness infesting the MoH selection committees, so that they no longer think "killing thirty bad guys single-handed" is worthy of such public commendation the way it was in, say, WW2 or WW1.

But I think the point he's really missing here is this: killing thirty enemies single-handed is no longer hard. In every theater, we outnumber them, we seriously outgun them, we have better communications and basically every possible thing on our side. Killing bad guys is no longer difficult; the difficult part is finding bad guys, identifying bad guys, and not shooting any civilians while you're in the process.

There are no longer MoHs for single-handedly charging an enemy gun emplacement, because the enemy no longer has gun emplacements, and if they ever do then you just hide behind something call in an airstrike. But there's still plenty of call for soldiers to risk their lives to save their wounded comrades, so that's who's getting the medals nowadays.


Very well put, I hadn't thought about it in those exact terms but I think you're pretty much spot on.
 
2010-11-17 04:44:17 PM  

for good or for awesome: <b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5765307&IDComment=649​10695#c649 10695">FilmBELOH20</a>:</b> <i>Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.

Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.</i>

What your talking about would not have insulted the president. It would just have been inappropriate. Subby knew what he was doing.


Then stop arguing with me. 'Cause I submitted it.
 
2010-11-17 04:44:44 PM  

X-boxershorts: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

I know it's Fark and all that, but...could you at least stop being an asshole for like....5 minutes? Please? Asshole?

Thank you SSGT Giunta.

Also, To DIAF is too good for Bryan Fischer. Asshole never even considered wearing the uniform, so he has no right to criticize.

USN '80-'84


Keep poisoning that well.
 
2010-11-17 04:45:58 PM  
This is a bookmark.
 
2010-11-17 04:46:07 PM  

Jake Steed: Derp.


Today? No. I'd place that at more like... five-six years ago?

4/10
 
2010-11-17 04:46:45 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: I should have been aborted: Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.

I am sure there were amazingly brave german soldiers who put their lives on the line for their fellow soldiers every day. We should honor heroism, no matter what the purpose behind it is. The medal of honor should be awarded to suicide bombers too, who selflessly give their lives for their cause.

Don't lump those jawas in with the Germans. >:o


Haha! At first I thought you said "jews" instead of "jawas"
 
2010-11-17 04:46:58 PM  

I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]


You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.
 
2010-11-17 04:47:11 PM  

I should have been aborted: ShereKhan: Who has Mr. Fischer's email address?

You are breaking the rules outlined in the FArQ


No, putting up his email address is a rule break, asking for it is not...
 
2010-11-17 04:47:39 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.

Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.


The word in that case would have been "offending."

Subby used "insulting" for a reason and many people bought it.

Never mind that it's the Congressional Medal of Honor.
 
2010-11-17 04:48:13 PM  
I haven't watched the video yet, nor read his story, but I've seen him protesting that he's not worthy of the MoH.

That isn't the point, sir. The point is that someone else does think you do. And for that I salute you.

/And I'm sure after I know his story I'll likely believe that more firmly.
 
2010-11-17 04:48:16 PM  
Wait.

They went back for a backpack and got ambushed? Smooth.
 
2010-11-17 04:49:25 PM  

Befuddled: dittybopper: Think for a minute why the helicopters wouldn't want to light themselves up like the Sun in a combat situation. Shouldn't be too hard to come up with a reason fairly quickly.

Are you saying that being in combat isn't safe? Duh. If the stuff flying around isn't willing to risk damage in order to help the troops on the ground, then what good is it?


There is risking damage, and then there is walking out onto the battlefield wearing a fluorescent pink jumpsuit and a fright wig, jumping up and down saying "SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! I'M OVER HERE!" at the top of your lungs.
 
2010-11-17 04:49:35 PM  

Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.

welcometofark.jpg
 
2010-11-17 04:50:09 PM  

Wombatzu: FilmBELOH20: Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.

Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.

The word in that case would have been "offending."

Subby used "insulting" for a reason and many people bought it.

Never mind that it's the Congressional Medal of Honor.


OK, I'm sorry. I Should have used the word offended when I wrote the headline. OK? Can you stop now?
 
2010-11-17 04:51:00 PM  

potterydove: X-boxershorts: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

I know it's Fark and all that, but...could you at least stop being an asshole for like....5 minutes? Please? Asshole?

Thank you SSGT Giunta.

Also, To DIAF is too good for Bryan Fischer. Asshole never even considered wearing the uniform, so he has no right to criticize.

USN '80-'84

Keep poisoning that well.


For you, anytime.
 
2010-11-17 04:51:07 PM  
It's funny that Fox News(?) covers this with a photo where Giunta's head blocks the President's face.

How hard did they have to hunt to find that photo?

Link (new window)

i54.tinypic.com
 
2010-11-17 04:51:57 PM  
If he was travelling and I was TSA, I would grope him.
 
2010-11-17 04:52:13 PM  

Big Al: being rambo gets you killed 9999 times out of 1000


I like those odds.
 
2010-11-17 04:53:09 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


maybe we can nuke Bryan Fischer and you off the planet at the same time
 
2010-11-17 04:53:23 PM  
www.historyinfilm.com

Dammit, who's cutting onions in here?
 
2010-11-17 04:53:44 PM  

Wombatzu:

Never mind that it's the Congressional Medal of Honor.


Sureyou'renotserious.jpg
 
2010-11-17 04:54:01 PM  
damn zero where did you go??? 10000
 
2010-11-17 04:54:05 PM  

FilmBELOH20: OK, I'm sorry. I Should have used the word offended when I wrote the headline. OK? Can you stop now?


Yes, I retract all previous statements about subby's intentions. Thank you for posting the link. It's better than the 60 Minutes segment.
 
2010-11-17 04:54:10 PM  

I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]


Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.
 
2010-11-17 04:54:15 PM  

Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.


You seem like a rational person. Nope, not someone who is controlled by emotions at all. Nothing wrong here, just another perfectly balanced human being.

/take a chill pill, man
 
2010-11-17 04:54:25 PM  

JohnCarter: If you are in Charleston, SC and decide to tour the Yorktown there is a Medal of Honor museum there. Lists all the recipients and their citations. We were there with a youth group camping overnight on the ship, spent about 3 hours browsing the citations during the evening.

Many many acts of bravery. Got teared up reading about the 2 special forces guys in Mogadishu in 93, that is way beyond the call of duty.


The most endearing aspect of Shughart and Gordon was that they knew they were going to die going in, and asked three times to do it.
 
2010-11-17 04:55:14 PM  
Soldier, you are a badass among badasses.
 
2010-11-17 04:55:58 PM  

Scorpinock: Why isn't this (and stuff like this) on TV?


click on 'story'
scroll down.
 
2010-11-17 04:56:02 PM  

dittybopper: There is risking damage, and then there is walking out onto the battlefield wearing a fluorescent pink jumpsuit and a fright wig, jumping up and down saying "SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! I'M OVER HERE!" at the top of your lungs.


Getting the enemy to reveal their position by firing before your ground forces walk into an ambush is a good thing, not a bad thing.
 
2010-11-17 04:56:56 PM  
The HERO tag is bursting with pride on this one.
 
2010-11-17 04:56:59 PM  

Jedekai: The whole reason he deserved it is summed up in two words.

"Fark You."

/Manly tears...


Yeah, that response alone was worth watching the vid.
 
2010-11-17 04:57:10 PM  

TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.


That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.
 
2010-11-17 04:57:45 PM  
My Boss's dear friend Carol's son was part of the documentary Restrepo. We all saw it together and had a Q&A with his son after the movie as he was in town for the opening. It was teh awesome.
 
2010-11-17 04:58:01 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.
welcometofark.jpg


Hey, I like you!
 
2010-11-17 04:58:47 PM  
Hey you know who would be a true American hero? The President who can get us completely out of Iraq and Afghanistan instead of this continued bloodbath of wasted money and lives. The fact this continues to go on for more than 10 years and we won't be gone till probably forever means we are screwed as a nation. People like Sal Giunta should of never been put in those situations because he should of been sitting comfortably with his family at home relaxing and enjoying their company. The US needs to give up this non stop feeding of the military complex and the companies who wish for war to line their pockets with money. Yes there are bad people in the world and yes we need to defend ourselves but we do not need to go on endlessly in some ignorant fashion claiming moral high ground when we have none.

Face it people the terrorists have won. The have reduced our country, a good portion of those old Fox news viewers who are so scared of everything they can't look at their own shadow, to an authoritarians dream. There is so much money to be made in either jailing people, building the prisons, monitoring people, or the slew of other jobs in terms of full filling the role of big brother that we have started down that slippery slope and I don't think it will stop. It's sad we can't fly now with out being felt up by TSA or being scanned like you are in some Total Recall movie.

/this country is getting more and more less desirable to be in
//might of had a few drinks
 
2010-11-17 04:59:08 PM  

AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like XXXXX XXXXXXX are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.


Dammit! Went from shedding a tear because of the film to complete rageface after reading that bile. I won't even repeat his name.
 
2010-11-17 04:59:28 PM  
Let's hope he doesn't get into politics.
 
2010-11-17 05:00:00 PM  

Jake Steed: AntiNerd 2010-11-17 03:43:39 PM
Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)
Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.
-------------------

...and this is the American left wing for you today...


Ummm. Please get it right. Those are the rare Ultra Left Wing Nut Jobs.

Us regular Left Wingers don't tend to burn the flag to stay warm at night. Thanks, good luck, and good night.
 
2010-11-17 05:00:11 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.


Helos flying in combat support fly quite low, to the point that even an untrained insurgent with a dumb-fire RPG could hit it if they used a searchlight.

I was under the impression that our guys used IR beacons so they pinged on the FLIR display, though. I'm Navy helo crew and we've got them on our shoulders so if we're ever on the ground, they pilots can tell us from them.
 
2010-11-17 05:00:25 PM  

I should have been aborted: That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.


Aaaaaannnnd that's where you lost it - I live with my mom, no more trolling for you.
 
2010-11-17 05:00:43 PM  
realtorofthemonth Quote 2010-11-17 04:57:45 PM

It was teh awesome.

>>>>

what the hell is awesome about this? or war in general? You think it's awesome he was next to his dying buddies? and probably feels responsible for their loss of life? The never ending nightmares he will suffer with and probably never hold a steady job?
 
2010-11-17 05:01:08 PM  
I'm so jaded that for a second when I read "The story of MoH recipient" I thought someone had gven this guy a free copy of the game or something.


Do people really cry when they see this stuff?


If I was ever an actor I could cry on cue just thinking about Private James Francis Ryan asking his wife to tell him he is a good man.
 
2010-11-17 05:02:20 PM  

ShillinTheVillain: Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.

I can't imagine being in combat. I'd be too scared and thinking way too much 'Why the fark am I here doing this' to be worth anything.

Helos flying in combat support fly quite low, to the point that even an untrained insurgent with a dumb-fire RPG could hit it if they used a searchlight.

I was under the impression that our guys used IR beacons so they pinged on the FLIR display, though. I'm Navy helo crew and we've got them on our shoulders so if we're ever on the ground, they pilots can tell us from them.


Why I went Navy. They tend to be ...smarter? Used technology better? At least in 1980 they did....
 
2010-11-17 05:03:17 PM  

Big Al: realtorofthemonth Quote 2010-11-17 04:57:45 PM

It was teh awesome.

>>>>

what the hell is awesome about this? or war in general? You think it's awesome he was next to his dying buddies? and probably feels responsible for their loss of life? The never ending nightmares he will suffer with and probably never hold a steady job?


The Q&A was "teh awesome"

I bit...1/10
 
2010-11-17 05:03:20 PM  

I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.

You seem like a rational person. Nope, not someone who is controlled by emotions at all. Nothing wrong here, just another perfectly balanced human being.

/take a chill pill, man


Why? I thought the point of trolling was to get a reaction. You've succeeded.
/calmer than you are
 
2010-11-17 05:03:20 PM  

Jorge Sum: AntiNerd: So what do all the Fark Independents (tm) here think of the new conservative position on this recognition?

Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)

Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.

Why yes I think that IS a troll. I didn't mean it. I think.

I can't help but notice that TPM failed to actually link to the post it was quoting. WTF TPM?

However here is the actual post: http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147500421

His point is slightly more valid (and he's certainly not complaining about Giunta, merely the trend) if you read it in context. The money quote: "every Medal of Honor awarded during these two conflicts has been awarded for saving life. Not one has been awarded for inflicting casualties on the enemy. Not one."


Sgt. Paul Smith may beg to differ if he was still alive:

"As the fight developed, Sergeant First Class Smith braved hostile enemy fire to personally engage the enemy with hand grenades and anti-tank weapons, and organized the evacuation of three wounded soldiers from an armored personnel carrier struck by a rocket propelled grenade and a 60mm mortar round. Fearing the enemy would overrun their defenses, Sergeant First Class Smith moved under withering enemy fire to man a .50 caliber machine gun mounted on a damaged armored personnel carrier. In total disregard for his own life, he maintained his exposed position in order to engage the attacking enemy force. During this action, he was mortally wounded. His courageous actions helped defeat the enemy attack, and resulted in as many as 50 enemy soldiers killed, while allowing the safe withdrawal of numerous wounded soldiers. Sergeant First Class Smith's extraordinary heroism and uncommon valor are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, the Third Infantry Division "Rock of the Marne," and the United States Army."

Times change, go to the MoH website and read the commendations for the Civil War/1812/etc. They used to give out MoH for keeping the regimental colors/national ensign from hitting the ground, for example.
 
2010-11-17 05:03:33 PM  

FilmBELOH20: I should have been aborted: That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

Aaaaaannnnd that's where you lost it - I live with my mom, no more trolling for you.


Wrong. I just realize that once someone dies, they no longer occupy their body.
 
2010-11-17 05:04:28 PM  

Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.

You seem like a rational person. Nope, not someone who is controlled by emotions at all. Nothing wrong here, just another perfectly balanced human being.

/take a chill pill, man

Why? I thought the point of trolling was to get a reaction. You've succeeded.
/calmer than you are


The thing is, I am not trolling. I am not trying to get a reaction out of people, I am stating facts.
 
2010-11-17 05:06:14 PM  

I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.


To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.
 
2010-11-17 05:07:40 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Wombatzu: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

And you took that as a personal attack on the President? The man is obviously suffering from massive survivor guilt and is angry at being singled out. You have to be a real dickhead to make this left vs. right.

Oh for farks sake. It was meant as the fact that he could tell his story using language that he would normally use, which would be; A) censored by 60 minutes, and B) insulting to use in civil conversation with his Commander in Chief. It wasn't meant to be political in nature or about right vs. left. For one farking thread just respect what they guy did and don't turn it into a pissing match about politics.


THIS.
 
2010-11-17 05:08:34 PM  

ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.


Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.
 
2010-11-17 05:11:27 PM  

I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.

You seem like a rational person. Nope, not someone who is controlled by emotions at all. Nothing wrong here, just another perfectly balanced human being.

/take a chill pill, man

Why? I thought the point of trolling was to get a reaction. You've succeeded.
/calmer than you are

The thing is, I am not trolling. I am not trying to get a reaction out of people, I am stating facts.


Is your name Lee Ving?
You're better at this than I thought.
 
2010-11-17 05:14:12 PM  

Freakman: I for one am very glad that this went to an enlisted servicemember. There are way too many officer ribbon chasers and way too many people who look the other way. The enlisted do the real work.

/officers shouldn't even get ribbons and medals


Apparently the selection committees mostly agree, because if you look at the list then only one out of the ten Medals of Honor given since the end of the Vietnam War was given to an officer.

But y'know, if you want to look up the citation of Lieutenant Michael P. Murphy and claim that officers shouldn't be eligble to get medals then go right ahead.
 
2010-11-17 05:14:31 PM  

Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: [notsureifserious.jpg]

You're not sure? Let me clarify.

You suck at life and I hope you are seriously injured in the near future.
Whether or not that injury results in your death is really of no matter, as long as someone videotapes you crying like a woman, and posts it for all to see.

You seem like a rational person. Nope, not someone who is controlled by emotions at all. Nothing wrong here, just another perfectly balanced human being.

/take a chill pill, man

Why? I thought the point of trolling was to get a reaction. You've succeeded.
/calmer than you are

The thing is, I am not trolling. I am not trying to get a reaction out of people, I am stating facts.

Is your name Lee Ving?
You're better at this than I thought.


Remember this, folks. We live in a world of diversity, which is what makes life interesting. Sometimes diversity creates conflict, that is just a fact of life.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are "trolling", some people might actually believe the opposite of what you believe, about anything, and be just as incredulous at your opinions or statements about a subject as you are of theirs.

Everyone is different, everyone has different opinions on everything. Get used to it, learn to be a part of a diverse society... ok?
 
2010-11-17 05:14:33 PM  

I should have been aborted: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20:

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.


Allow me to contribute as well (and thanks for the even response).
A) PR opportunities are critical for them to show, because most people aligned against us are terrified of us because American's are usually damn hard to kill. When they do get a body, they work it for all its worth to show that we are killable, because they remain convinced that we're nearly unstoppable.

B) As a commander, your responsibility is to return your unit home. Might not all be alive, or in 1 piece, but you have a promise to the families of these soldiers to bring them home. To have someone under your command to be the next al-jazeera trophy kill is the ultimate failure of command. The very last thing you want is for the family of the soldier to find out the bad news because they're desecrating his body.
 
2010-11-17 05:15:37 PM  
Bottom line -- this kid is awesome, as is everyone else that puts their lives on the line for the rest of us.

thank you
 
2010-11-17 05:15:54 PM  

Jorge Sum: Freakman: I for one am very glad that this went to an enlisted servicemember. There are way too many officer ribbon chasers and way too many people who look the other way. The enlisted do the real work.

/officers shouldn't even get ribbons and medals

Apparently the selection committees mostly agree, because if you look at the list then only one out of the ten Medals of Honor given since the end of the Vietnam War was given to an officer.

But y'know, if you want to look up the citation of Lieutenant Michael P. Murphy and claim that officers shouldn't be eligble to get medals then go right ahead.


I think he is implying that officers never do brave things, which is an incomprehensibly idiotic thing to say.
 
2010-11-17 05:15:58 PM  
Small unit cohesiveness. Fight for your mates and do the mission. fark the rest.

SSG Sal Giunta, Thanks for your service and for the burdens you will bear in the future. Very respectfully, Snake
 
2010-11-17 05:16:30 PM  

I should have been aborted: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.


That, and the guy was actually still alive when the dude went to rescue him. That's a slightly important fact people seem to forget! He died later at base.

Even if he weren't - never mind for propaganda reasons, how about for your own? Sure, he might be dead and gone, but that's still the body of your friend and the body of a person that served his country to his death. His memory deserves more than 'well, his body was taken by the enemy.'
 
2010-11-17 05:18:01 PM  
But, but, but...who made the sandwiches at Subway when he quit to join the Army? Doesn't that guy deserve a medal, too?
 
2010-11-17 05:18:39 PM  

I should have been aborted: Get used to it, learn to be a part of a diverse society... ok?


No. You've been farkied as a gloriously foul unicorn eating troll.
Deal with it.
 
2010-11-17 05:19:11 PM  

TelJanin: I should have been aborted: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20:

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.

Allow me to contribute as well (and thanks for the even response).
A) PR opportunities are critical for them to show, because most people aligned against us are terrified of us because American's are usually damn hard to kill. When they do get a body, they work it for all its worth to show that we are killable, because they remain convinced that we're nearly unstoppable.

B) As a commander, your responsibility is to return your unit home. Might not all be alive, or in 1 piece, but you have a promise to the families of these soldiers to bring them home. To have someone under your command to be the next al-jazeera trophy kill is the ultimate failure of command. The very last thing you want is for the family of the soldier to find out the bad news because they're desecrating his body.


Though I might tend to think preserving ones life, or the lives of others to be of utmost importance in a battle situation, I can see how retrieving the bodies of fallen comrades ranks a close second place, due to the insights offered by both of you. Thanks again.
 
2010-11-17 05:19:13 PM  
OK, I'll admit that I didn't get any dust in my eyes until I read the transcript....I can't imagine being 19 or 20 years old - still a kid to my aged eyes - and trying to reassure a dying friend "Dude, you're going home and you're gonna be drinking beers and telling your stories to the ladies." I couldn't muster up that kind of support in a hospital room after my Dad had his heart attack because I was so scared and upset (Dad recoveredk BTW). This guy is dragging a bleeding comrade to safety while bullets are whizzing past his own head and is able run an encouraging, distracting line of conversation at the same time.

Excuse me, something's in my eye again....
 
2010-11-17 05:20:14 PM  
Oh, and for those who say he isn't crying - no, he isn't outright bawling, but look at his eyes and listen to the way his voice is cracking. It's possible to cry manly tears, folks, and that's exactly what he's doing.
 
2010-11-17 05:21:36 PM  

Schmoppo: I should have been aborted: Get used to it, learn to be a part of a diverse society... ok?

No. You've been farkied as a gloriously foul unicorn eating troll.
Deal with it.


HAHAHA!! Now that, my friend, truly filled my eyes with tears as I tried to contain my laughter.
 
2010-11-17 05:21:39 PM  
SSG Giunta was asked "What went through your mind when you were told you were going to be awarded the MoH".

His initial reaction to that was "fark you." He didn't specifically say that to anyone.

Farking brilliant, if you ask me. Totally devoid of any selfishness and entitlement. Wish there were more people like him.

I would gladly salute this man and his fellow soldiers any day!

/Thank you for the freedoms I have, men and women of the armed services!
 
2010-11-17 05:23:37 PM  

I should have been aborted: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.


you thank him for responding like a human.
why not ask like a human? why do you have to ask like a troll?
 
2010-11-17 05:23:42 PM  

Befuddled: Maybe this is a stupid comment after watching this, but why don't the helicopters or drones in Afghanistan have spotlights like the police helicopters have? The Apaches couldn't fire because they didn't know who was who in the dark but if they could have put a spotlight on the enemy, then the forces on the ground could say to the gunships that yes, that's where the enemy is so start firing.



in a black out situation like that, if you're certain your team doesn't have air support, if something turns on a light above you, shoot at it... i'm sure they didn't want to turn themselves into a giant bullseye.
 
2010-11-17 05:24:25 PM  
Can't wait to see this when it's unfarked. Farking farkers farking shiat.
 
2010-11-17 05:25:56 PM  

papabusche: I should have been aborted: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

Thank you for responding like a human and explaining the importance of this act to me. Now, yes, I understand and it makes sense.

Thank you, again.

you thank him for responding like a human.
why not ask like a human? why do you have to ask like a troll?


Now that I read my original post, I guess I could have said something like "Why did he feel it necessary to risk his life for someone that was already dead?" But... where is the fun in that? I like to stir the pot sometimes, keep the discussion lively.
 
2010-11-17 05:28:26 PM  

I should have been aborted: Now that I read my original post, I guess I could have said something like "Why did he feel it necessary to risk his life for someone that was already dead?" But... where is the fun in that? I like to stir the pot sometimes, keep the discussion lively.


i'm pretty sure there is a term for that...
can't remember now.
 
2010-11-17 05:32:13 PM  
Copyright be damned. Here's the transcript:

Vanity Fair contributing photographer Tim Hetherington spotlights Giunta in the December issue. While on assignment with contributing editor Sebastian Junger-who wrote a book about Giunta and his platoon, War- Hetherington was with a platoon near Giunta's in the Korengal during Operation Rock Avalanche. Hetherington also wrote a book about his time in the Korengal, Infidel, and he and Junger's documentary Restrepo won the Grand Jury Prize for best documentary at the 2010 Sundance Film Festival. Giunta sat down with Hetherington and spoke at length about the medal and his service in Afghanistan.

Tim Hetherington: Let's start at the beginning. How did you end up joining the army?

Staff Sergeant Salvatore Giunta: At the time I joined the Army I was working at Subway. I didn't really have a whole lot going on.

Was it a result of 9/11, or were you curious about the world?

I was curious about the world. I wasn't trying to be patriotic. It just felt right.

Did you want to do this growing up?

When I was working at Subway, I was working nights-and the commercial came on about the recruiters in the mall handing out T-shirts. Oh, I'm a sucker for a free T-shirt. I'm still a sucker for a free T-shirt. I'd keep that quiet around some people-offer me a free T-shirt, I might do something crazy.

Your first appointment was in Zabul?

Yes, with 173rd and Battle Company.

You went from Iowa to Afghanistan. What went through your head?

I don't know exactly the one thought that was running through my head. I know I became a man in Afghanistan-whatever entails being a man-there was definitely a change that happened that first time in Afghanistan where I grew up. I felt grown up. I felt like the world could beat me. I didn't feel so impervious either. I knew shiat could stop me.

Was there a particular event that happened there that made you realize you'd grown up?

August 21, 2005, there was an I.E.D. that hit one of the trucks in the company from Third Platoon-four guys died and one guy was seriously wounded. It's one thing to see someone dead. But it's another thing to see an American soldier, or someone you know. They're at the strongest moments of their life and it is just ... gone from them.

In Sebastian Junger's book War, he talks about when Brendan O'Byrne says, "There's people in this platoon who hate each other, but we'd all die for each other." It's not just friendship, but it's also a brotherhood?

It is a brotherhood. I don't think it's something you can expect, because it's such a strong feeling, you'll never know it unless it's already happened, and then you have it. Can't get rid of it. Can't shake it.

What else sticks in your mind about the Zabul Province deployment?

On September 1, 2005, Lieutenant [Derek Haines] died in the Baylough area, and that made me really feel my own mortality at 19 or 20. My team leader, Nicholas Post. talked to me. He said, "It is what it is and you just got to try to do everything you can when it's your time to do it. It might be you tomorrow. It might be me tomorrow. It might be, you know, all of us tomorrow. But that's tomorrow." I've pretty much taken that with me the rest of my life from the time we had that talk.

Did you re-up after Zabul, or had you signed up for a certain length of time?

I signed up for four years when I came into the army. I didn't think that I was going to go again, but Stop-Loss. I didn't really understand Stop-Loss, until Stop-Loss.

So as a result of Stop-Loss you went to the Korengal?

We were in the Korengal, but I couldn't leave the Korengal as a result of the Stop-Loss, yes.

Describe flying into the Korengal.

There's a lot of mountains, and they're steep and rocky. I was thinking, it was maybe going to be a little Afghan paradise. It was not an Afghan paradise. The dudes already there were looking rough and tired. And they were happy that we were there, which makes you a little bit uneasy.

What had you heard about the Korengal before you went?

I didn't really hear much. I tried not to pay attention. It was going to come regardless of what I heard.

Tell me about Operation Rock Avalanche.

You get a warm-fuzzy feeling inside when you see the Apache [helicopter] circling. That's pretty sweet, you know? I know they got rockets. I know they got guns, and they got eyes from above. We were walking back out the way we came in, in the morning. We came in under darkness, and we're going to leave right there as the sun's going down and Apaches are around-should be fairly quick and painless.

See, I try to forget a lot of this-it benefits me in the long run-and coming back and talking about it wrenches the gut. Rock Avalanche was a long, drawn-out deal. So we started walking back, and they set up a good ambush. They did what we would have done.

What was the first-

There were more bullets in the air than stars in the sky. A wall of bullets at every one at the same time with one crack and then a million other cracks afterwards. They're above you, in front of you, behind you, below you. They're hitting in the dirt early. They're going over your head. Just all over the place. They were close-as close as I've ever seen.

What do you do in that situation?

You do everything you can. You don't think. You just react. Everyone knows. This isn't our first rodeo, and this isn't everyone's first time getting shot at. This is a newer experience, and this is a different way that it's ever come in, but everyone knows exactly what they need to do. If they're shooting? Shoot back. If there's cover, you find it. It's just all self-preservation at that point. Everyone's just giving it back as hard as we can, because the more we shoot, hopefully the less they shoot.

When did you know it was an L-shaped ambush?

Not until the end. All your attention is where all the flashes are. It looks like a bunch of little dragons spitting fire, and then there's just a whole bunch of rounds coming in.

You can see bullets around you going off and-

I got hit in the plate, but in the lower part of the plate, and I got hit at an angle that it came more from the north and not from the east, which is where all these bullets were coming from, and bullets don't turn corners. They bounce off of shiat, but they don't turn corners, and that one would have had to turn a corner to come and hit me like that, and there's nothing you can do about it.

If a bullet hit my plate, I would freak out. Weren't you scared?

There's no time to be scared. In hindsight, it's scarier than it was then. That's what makes talking about it so difficult. Talking about it I can rehash and I can think about every second of it and everything in my mind and I can really dwell on it when, at the time, there's no time to dwell on it. They brought the fight. We'll bring the pain.

It didn't even feel like I got hit down here. Almost simultaneously as that happened, I looked at Sergeant Gallardo, and I watched his head kind of do one of those-I don't know-an abnormal twitch. I thought he got shot in the head. He got shot in the helmet. I just ran and grabbed onto him and brought him back to where we were. We consolidated grenades.

You swapped grenades?

There's no time-you can't sit there. You got to act. We only got so many grenades. So we threw our grenades and we ran forward. We got down. Returned fire. Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. Throw grenades. Boom. Run forward. On the third grenade we threw, we made it to Specialist Franklin Eckrode, and he was trying to fix his jam [in his gun]. He's on the ground. He was already shot at that point. I think he got shot in the calf and in the thigh.

What sort of time frame are we talking?

One, two, I don't know-a million lifetimes. Time is out the window.

When you're in that situation, those heightened moments, did you feel like you had a chance to think at all?

I didn't have to think at all, and I didn't even think about having to think because we were just going...

So you push forward. You get to Eckrode and then?

I just kept on running up the trail trying to find Brennan and see what the fark is up, why the fark he was all the way up there. This shiat sucks-I kept on running and I saw three guys. There was two guys carrying one guy and the one had his arms, and the other had his legs. I got my gun in my hand, just running at him. At that time, the thought was: Who the hell is up here and how did they get up here? How did they pass us?

All of a sudden, I only knew one of them, and it wasn't the one that I wanted to know. It was Brennan-and he was the one being carried away. Just farking running and shooting, running and shooting, trying to close the gap with them. I shot at both of them. I killed one, I guess. The other one I shot the shiat out of... but didn't see him, and by the time my magazine was already empty, I was at Brennan... I yelled for Sergeant Gallardo that, God, they're farking taking him.

Take your time. It's O.K.

Yeah, it's a lot harder looking back on it than it was when it was happening.

Like you said, going over it at a distance is tough.

I don't really plan on answering this question too many times. I don't have to. I got a great book written by Sebastian Junger called War. You want to read about it, read about it. You don't want to hear me talk about it. I don't want to talk about it.

It must be an awful experience to see your friend really hurt, and to see some assholes trying to drag him off the side.

It did. Plus, Brennan's was a bad ass, too. He's not that big a guy, but he's tough. And he was hurt. And he was hurt bad.

What was he saying?

He was just hurt. He said he couldn't breathe. He said he couldn't breathe. And his face was-was pretty bad. And I just grabbed him by the strap on the back of his [body armor], turned around, and started running the other way. When I dragged him back, he didn't have his gun, he didn't have his rucksack, he didn't have his helmet, he didn't have his NODS [night vision], he didn't have anything with him. He's alive. He's not dead. And he's talking.

I didn't know, but I guess Specialist Hugo Mendoza, the Platoon medic, got shot in the leg in his femoral artery and he ended up bleeding out, so I didn't know that there was not going to be a medic coming...

I was with Brennan, like, "Dude, this time you're really going to go home. You're going to be drinking beers and telling your stories to the ladies." He said, "Yeah. Yeah, I will."

Was there a point where you thought, "What the fark just happened?" Or were you still focused on Brennan?

I was focused on Brennan. I knew that they took Mendoza and I didn't know that he was dead. I knew they took Eckrode, and I knew they took Brennan, and I don't know how bad anyone else was other than Brennan.

Your platoon eventually joined the 2nd. What was going through your head when you were walking back?

Same thing that goes through my head every time, I guess, we're walking. Scan, look, check team, confront, check team, scan, look. Sooner or later we'll be back. We had to divvy up the equipment, so there were people carrying multiple weapons, people carrying extra body armor. I could just feel the weight of Brennan's body armor in my ruck.

When did you first hear that you were going to be up for a Medal of Honor? It was some time after you returned from the Korengal, wasn't it?

It was a couple of days later that I heard. Sergeant Gallardo went down for a meeting and came back up and told me. That's when I found out.

What went through your head when you heard about it?

"fark you," I said. It sounds really awesome in theory, but what's it worth? Brennan? Mendoza? No. I did what I did because in the scheme of painting the picture of that ambush, that was just my brush stroke. That's not above and beyond. I didn't take the biggest brush stroke, and it wasn't the most important brush stroke. Hearing the Medal of Honor is like a slap in the face. I don't think you know what I did. I didn't do shiat.

You'll get asked a lot about bravery. What is bravery to you? How would you define it?

Bravery to me is doing something that doesn't necessarily have to be done, doing it full heartedly, accepting it no matter what consequence comes from it, because it really does need to be done. Everyone out there is brave. Don't have to be in Afghanistan.

By your own definition, it's brave, what you did out there.

I was one person being brave in a group of a whole bunch of people that were being just as brave. Everything had the same thing to lose: their friends and themselves. I guarantee, no one thought about that out there. Bravery gets thrown around a lot. I served in Battle Company Second of the 503rd with the bravest men I've ever met in my entire life, and I'm proud to say that.

What does the Medal symbolize for you?

I want to stress the fact that this is the nation's highest honor. Awesome. And it's given to me, but just as much as me, every single person that I've been with deserves to wear it-they are just as much of me as I am. This isn't a one-man show. I'm here because someone picked me. I hope that everyone around me can share in whatever pride that comes from it. They deserve that pride.

Tell me about the moment you got the call from the president?

President Obama called me on September 9, 2010, and notified me that he had approved the Medal of Honor for my actions on October 25, 2007, in the Korengal Valley. My heart was just pounding. I don't even remember what I said, but there was a Mr. President in there.

It's quite a story. The guy who listened to a recruiting jingle while mopping floors in a Subway sandwich shop is talking to the President.

I'm just another American dude. I'm nothing special, trust me.

What did you think when you heard the news that we were pulling out of the Korengal?

I was in Washington, D.C., when I saw it on the news. At first it upset me. And then, there's no sense being upset with it. That's not our land. We're not occupying their country. We don't even want the Korengal Valley. We're there to help them. If we pull out, that is ultimately going to be their loss, but for whatever reasons, we're not pulling out of Afghanistan.

If there was peace in Afghanistan would you go back?

The world's a big place. I'd rather go somewhere else.
 
2010-11-17 05:36:09 PM  
What makes this guy a hero in my eyes is that he doesn't consider himself to be one and frankly doesn't think he deserves the medal. That and he bravely performed his duty.
 
2010-11-17 05:40:44 PM  
Every word uttered after the question "what went through your head when you heard about it?" was exactly why he's worthy of that medal.

Don't kid yourself Giunta...you ARE special.

//something in my eye...
 
2010-11-17 05:40:52 PM  

bartink: What makes this guy a hero in my eyes is that he doesn't consider himself to be one and frankly doesn't think he deserves the medal. That and he bravely performed his duty.


I don't think I deserve a Congressional Medal of Honor either. Can I have one too?
 
2010-11-17 05:45:44 PM  

ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.


I would also like to point out that Brennan was NOT DEAD at that point. He was still alive, although badly wounded. It is obvious that people didn't watch the clip, or didn't pay attention to what was said.

I ran through fire to see what was going on with [Brennan] and maybe we could hide behind the same rock and shoot together ... He was still conscious. He was breathing. He was asking for morphine. I said, "You'll get out and tell your hero stories," and he was like, "I will, I will."


Also this is the hell that they walked in to:

img.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-17 05:46:34 PM  

Jorge Sum: bartink: What makes this guy a hero in my eyes is that he doesn't consider himself to be one and frankly doesn't think he deserves the medal. That and he bravely performed his duty.

I don't think I deserve a Congressional Medal of Honor either. Can I have one too?


as soon as they give one for being a douche, you'll be first in line.
 
2010-11-17 05:49:24 PM  

superdude72: To the service people who signed up to kill and be killed in a war with no clear purpose, because the military's pay and benefits looked better than anything else their country was offering: I salute you.


Wow a troll AND a farktard all at once!
I bet your mommy is real proud of you ain't she?

/hope you're on the next plain that blows up
 
2010-11-17 05:51:46 PM  

DAnthrope: superdude72: To the service people who signed up to kill and be killed in a war with no clear purpose, because the military's pay and benefits looked better than anything else their country was offering: I salute you.

Wow a troll AND a farktard all at once!
I bet your mommy is real proud of you ain't she?

/hope you're on the next plain that blows up


the rain in spain falls mainly in the plain
 
2010-11-17 05:52:18 PM  

Scorpinock: Why isn't this (and stuff like this) on TV?


Because the true story are never believable by the masses. I've read tons of the MoH citations thinking, god damn, that would make an excellent movie but no one would believe it. Truth is far more awesome than any Hollywood writer's ideas.
 
2010-11-17 05:52:50 PM  
Wall Street bankers laugh at your altruistic behaviour.
 
2010-11-17 05:53:39 PM  

I should have been aborted: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

People who are controlled by emotions (women, gays) cry about stuff like this.


Why YES, yes you should... (never saw a screen name more appropriate)
 
2010-11-17 05:54:38 PM  

Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.


I'm sure the Germans have their own farking medals. Let them give them those.
 
2010-11-17 05:56:36 PM  
Finally! Gen Y produces something good.
 
2010-11-17 05:57:24 PM  
Can someone ask this guy if he has 4 to 8 years to spend in 2012? I can think of a good job he might be able to fill...
 
2010-11-17 05:58:09 PM  

Beeblebrox: Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.

I'm sure the Germans have their own farking medals. Let them give them those.


Some WWII vets currently appearing in an MTV documentary on PTSD would like a word with you.
 
2010-11-17 05:59:05 PM  
Check that, it's an HBO documentary
 
2010-11-17 06:00:30 PM  
And nobody asked for a farking medal for German vets
 
2010-11-17 06:01:28 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

I would also like to point out that Brennan was NOT DEAD at that point. He was still alive, although badly wounded. It is obvious that people didn't watch the clip, or didn't pay attention to what was said.


True, but I was speaking to the general practice of recovering bodies, even at great risk.

In Giunta's case, he was going after a friend. He didn't know his status or his condition, just that he was missing.
 
2010-11-17 06:03:26 PM  

ShillinTheVillain: cannotsuggestaname: ShillinTheVillain: I should have been aborted: TelJanin: I should have been aborted: Grass Hopper: I should have been aborted: FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

But even the soldier is not crying about it. I am sure he was more hurt and lost more than you losing your one friend (to suicide, not even from the war).

Wow. You are an amazing troll or your fark handle is amazingly apt. Either way 10/10

And STFU.

Hmm...

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes. He also says "wrenches the gut". Don't pine because this man's mere existence short-dicks you by 4 inches. Also, most of us who choked up have this thing called empathy.

Also, for those who post lacking knowledge.
Night combat is a very interesting demon where light is your absolute enemy.
A) When you are accustomed to a low light area, then you've gained your night eyes, and you can usually move around with some reliability. Any flash, flare or bright light eliminates your night eyes and prevents you from being able to engage a night target with any accuracy.
B) Tracers work both ways... with most groups heading for a night fight stripping them out, or decreasing the frequency to 15-30, just to prevent the enemy's hard hitting weapons from ranging in on your position.
C) An l shaped ambush (which is what these poor bastards were caught in) is a an L designed for the incoming enemy to be nearly right on top of the bend in the L before you open up. At this time you are quite intermingled with the enemy, and it makes friend or foe identification nearly impossible.
This should explain why there were no lights and why air support couldn't engage.

That's the stupid part. Rescue a BODY? What!? What is there to rescue? A pile of worthless shiat? If someone is dead, they are DEAD. They are not there anymore, there body is nothing, the human is gone.

To you or me, it's a corpse. To the enemy, it's a war trophy, an object to be filmed and displayed and used in recruiting videos to boost morale and show that the big bad Americans are mortal. You just don't give them that opportunity.

I would also like to point out that Brennan was NOT DEAD at that point. He was still alive, although badly wounded. It is obvious that people didn't watch the clip, or didn't pay attention to what was said.

True, but I was speaking to the general practice of recovering bodies, even at great risk.

In Giunta's case, he was going after a friend. He didn't know his status or his condition, just that he was missing.


On top of that, Brennan was still breathing, there was hope.
 
2010-11-17 06:03:54 PM  
Wow... I made a typo... Nice comeback tool, very witty.
Rather be guilty of that than guilty of needing to be aborted for being a walking sphincter.

You can disagree with the war, but disrespecting guys like this who volunteer to defend our country should result in being invited to get the hell out of it. I hope you get drafted and learn this lesson the hard way, jagoff.
 
2010-11-17 06:04:51 PM  

Beeblebrox: Sexy Republican Girl: MaxxLarge: Seeing that there are authentic human beings in the world with the level of character that this man has without even trying? It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future.

And hubie is bang-on. When you strip away the bullshiat, the politics, the gray areas and the questions, certain things are simply beyond reproach. And the level of raw heroism, selflessness and bravery this man has burned into his DNA is nothing short of astonishing.

WW2 era Germany also had many heroic men. I wish we stopped vilifying them just because of the Nazis that were running the show at the time.

I'm sure the Germans have their own farking medals. Let them give them those.


Out of curiosity, I went and looked up what the highest medal in Nazi Germany actually was.

Turns out it was the "Star of the Grand Cross to the Iron Cross" (!) which was never actually awarded, since it was intended to be awarded to the best General _after_ Germany won the war.

The second highest was the Grand Cross to the Iron Cross, which was awarded once, to Herman Goering. Because that's the way the Nazis rolled.

If you keep going down, the first medal which actually got awarded to front-line folks rather than generals was the "Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds" (what, no cheese?) which was awarded exactly once, to one Hans-Ulrich Rudel, who supposedly "flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship (the Marat), 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down."

Furthermore, wikipedia claims of his after-war activities "Although missing one leg, he remained an active sportsman, playing tennis, skiing, and even climbing the highest peak in the Americas, Aconcagua (6,962 meters or 22,841 feet). He also ascended the fifth highest volcano on Earth three times, the Llullay-Yacu in the Argentine Andes (6,739 meters or 22,109 feet)."

Then when you're just starting to like him, though, it goes on to tell you that "During his stay, he became an acquaintance of notorious Nazi concentration camp doctor and war criminal Josef Mengele."
 
2010-11-17 06:05:42 PM  
Fuqqing stud.

And a credit to paratroopers everywhere.
 
2010-11-17 06:05:50 PM  
What, no Wamplerfied version? I'll wait until Saturday and click on the Examiner link that says the same thing, just with more grammatical errors.
 
2010-11-17 06:06:29 PM  

Dragonsbreath: Can someone ask this guy if he has 4 to 8 years to spend in 2012? I can think of a good job he might be able to fill...


Only if he can get a fake birth certificate to claim he was born in 1977 or earlier.

And where the hell would someone get a fake birth certificate like that?
 
2010-11-17 06:06:30 PM  

DAnthrope: Wow... I made a typo... Nice comeback tool, very witty.
Rather be guilty of that than guilty of needing to be aborted for being a walking sphincter.

You can disagree with the war, but disrespecting guys like this who volunteer to defend serve our country should result in being invited to get the hell out of it. I hope you get drafted and learn this lesson the hard way, jagoff.



A bit more accurate. And yes, his crap was trolltastic, regardless.
 
2010-11-17 06:07:00 PM  
wow. I can see the trolls are out in force on this one. I for one, salute Army Sgt. Salvatore Giunta.

I'm about as left wing as they come and don't support the Iraq war at all. I did support the Afghan war but we should be out of there now. None of my opinions on war matter in this context.

What this man did was brave and I respect that. His attitude is something that I wish more people would share. It's not about him it's about all the other people around him. He's saying it honestly and I believe him. It not like listening to John Boehner or Nancy Pelosi since I know they are both lying whenever they open their mouths.
 
2010-11-17 06:08:26 PM  
ShillinTheVillain

I wasn't necessarily talking about your post, just the guy you were responding to. :)

It is pretty clear that no one in that crew wanted to leave any trophies behind for the enemy, be that a dead mate or weapons. It just so happened that Brennan was still alive at the point that Giunta got to him.
 
2010-11-17 06:12:25 PM  
pissing match
[welcometofark.jpg]


once you get past fark 101 you'll find there's occasional moments of horror or respect from the rabble.

Tough Talk from a TRUE American

the epitome of a war hawk, holy crap. thank god it's not the cold war anymore, as this guy doesn't view waving a big stick at someone in order to prevent a fight as a victory; for him it's only a victory when you bloody someone with it.
 
2010-11-17 06:12:28 PM  

forteblast: Words can't do justice here. I tried a few times but it just kept sounding dumb.

Thanks to SSG Giunta and all the other heroes of the U.S. military.


This

twfeline: It's funny that Fox News(?) covers this with a photo where Giunta's head blocks the President's face.

How hard did they have to hunt to find that photo?

Link (new window)


What does that have to do with anything? The presentation has NOTHING to do with President Obama and EVERYTHING to do with SSG Giunta

/ 3/10
 
2010-11-17 06:13:18 PM  

CapnPlaty: What, no Wamplerfied version? I'll wait until Saturday and click on the Examiner link that says the same thing, just with more grammatical errors.


Why talk about the Devil? You know what happens.
 
2010-11-17 06:19:01 PM  

FilmBELOH20: JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

I did because I think of the sacrifice he and his friends made, and it makes me sad and proud and a whole host of other emotions. I also did because while it wasn't nearly as intense, it brought back memories of my times in combat, and a friend I lost (not through bullets, but a suicide after the Gulf War). So, you see, some of us have different experiences to draw from, that bring on different emotions. If you don't, so be it, but you don't need to call us out on it if we want to express ourselves. Besides - you need to be at the gym in 26 minutes, don't you?


Amen, brother. Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
2010-11-17 06:20:46 PM  
the video from Vimeo (new window)
 
2010-11-17 06:23:53 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: ShillinTheVillain

I wasn't necessarily talking about your post, just the guy you were responding to. :)

It is pretty clear that no one in that crew wanted to leave any trophies behind for the enemy, be that a dead mate or weapons. It just so happened that Brennan was still alive at the point that Giunta got to him.


I hear ya. It sounds like it was just a reaction. My buddy is gone, I need to go find him. Which makes it all the more impressive to me, that there was no second thought. You're taking fire from 2 sides from an unknown number of combatants, and you just get up and go because that's your buddy and that's just what you're supposed to do.
 
2010-11-17 06:24:54 PM  
I risked my life for multinational corporations and all I got was this lousy medal.
 
2010-11-17 06:25:09 PM  

Schmoppo: I know Afghanistan is dusty, but how the hell did so much just blow into my cubicle?

I tried to enlist back in 2003, and was denied due to a previous accident causing me to have metal plates in my arm. I'd like to think i'd have done the same thing in that situation, but these men are carved from stone.

I'm jealous, thankful, and humbled.

Excellent find subby.


Wait... you can't enlist if you have metal in your body? (I too have metal in my right arm, 13 screws and 1 plate)
 
2010-11-17 06:30:13 PM  

I_Should_Be_Working_Right_Now: Wait... you can't enlist if you have metal in your body? (I too have metal in my right arm, 13 screws and 1 plate)


I was a metalhead when I enlisted back in '85.
 
2010-11-17 06:32:34 PM  
Imagine looking into that kid's parent's eyes knowing you didnt try your damnedest to retrieve his body.


USMC 85-89
 
2010-11-17 06:32:53 PM  

dittybopper: I_Should_Be_Working_Right_Now: Wait... you can't enlist if you have metal in your body? (I too have metal in my right arm, 13 screws and 1 plate)

I was a metalhead when I enlisted back in '85.


Okay, good to know... I'm single, at a dead end job, no college, life is boring. Whole family has pretty much served, especially the older ones.
 
2010-11-17 06:33:51 PM  
proletarian
I risked my life for multinational corporations and all I got was this lousy medal.

douchebag says what?
 
2010-11-17 06:34:54 PM  

Ima10urin8: proletarian
I risked my life for multinational corporations and all I got was this lousy medal.

douchebag says what?


Ima10urin8
 
2010-11-17 06:42:35 PM  
Fark 'em... take it back.
 
2010-11-17 06:45:21 PM  
There are very few threads in Fark where I think a troll is utterly inappropriate. This is one of them. I say let them show how tiny their balls are and ignore them.

This guy is made of pure awesome. I can't wait to see this documentary. I hope the best for him, and I despise anyone who uses this event as an opportunity to get in a political dig or show off their ITG card.

/USMC '95 - '06
 
2010-11-17 06:56:45 PM  

I_Should_Be_Working_Right_Now: Schmoppo: I know Afghanistan is dusty, but how the hell did so much just blow into my cubicle?

I tried to enlist back in 2003, and was denied due to a previous accident causing me to have metal plates in my arm. I'd like to think i'd have done the same thing in that situation, but these men are carved from stone.

I'm jealous, thankful, and humbled.

Excellent find subby.

Wait... you can't enlist if you have metal in your body? (I too have metal in my right arm, 13 screws and 1 plate)


My guess is that it's a pre-existing condition that the military does not want to cause issues on their watch. I figured it might stop a bullet or something, but then again, all I wanted was to go through boot camp.
I lack discipline.
 
2010-11-17 06:59:48 PM  

X-boxershorts: DAnthrope: You can disagree with the war, but disrespecting guys like this who volunteer to defend serve our country should result in being invited to get the hell out of it. I hope you get drafted and learn this lesson the hard way, jagoff.

A bit more accurate. And yes, his crap was trolltastic, regardless.


Point well taken, and I agree completely.
Whatever is going on over there, IM[!]HO, has nothing to do with defending the country or fighting terrorism or finding anyone.
Shame nobody can manage to bring our kids home and put an end to it.

/Love my country, love the people willing to serve
//Fear my government and the evil farks that run it
 
2010-11-17 07:07:55 PM  

Hyppy: JohnFernelius: Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.

My first reaction was to simply post "you sound civilian," but after some more thought I realize that not everyone has the same reaction to things like this. Perhaps you should come to that understanding as well.

I can name a number of things that cause me to tear up fairly quickly: Taps played on a bugle, the boots/rifle/helmet/tags memorial, "Roll Call," the missing man formation, Amazing Grace, and most posthumous award citations.

Perhaps it's the dozens of military memorial/funeral ceremonies I've attended. Perhaps it's because quite a few of my friends had large portraits surrounded by wreaths at the front of those ceremonies. I don't know.

Just please don't try and act like you're more of a "man" than someone else because of it, though.


Those are all good points and I certainly didn't mean to sound as though I was looking down on anyone who cried. It's just unusual to me is all.

Maybe I'm uptight. The last time I cried, it was because my father died.
 
2010-11-17 07:30:02 PM  
whatever man
 
2010-11-17 07:47:35 PM  

Jake Steed: AntiNerd 2010-11-17 03:43:39 PM
Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)
Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.
-------------------

...and this is the American left wing for you today...


And all of those leftists are sitting around getting high and doing nothing while your cowardly heroes hold high office trying their best to influence people. But, yeah, both sides are the same
 
2010-11-17 08:01:53 PM  

Schmoppo: I_Should_Be_Working_Right_Now: Schmoppo: I know Afghanistan is dusty, but how the hell did so much just blow into my cubicle?

I tried to enlist back in 2003, and was denied due to a previous accident causing me to have metal plates in my arm. I'd like to think i'd have done the same thing in that situation, but these men are carved from stone.

I'm jealous, thankful, and humbled.

Excellent find subby.

Wait... you can't enlist if you have metal in your body? (I too have metal in my right arm, 13 screws and 1 plate)

My guess is that it's a pre-existing condition that the military does not want to cause issues on their watch. I figured it might stop a bullet or something, but then again, all I wanted was to go through boot camp.
I lack discipline.


Depends on the seriousness I guess. Buddy of mine got screws in his ankle from soccer before enlisting. Couldn't be a pilot like he was gunning for but was ok'd for an intelligence slot. Might also just be AF's requirements are less. Can't imagine army taking someone with a single screw in their ankle.
 
2010-11-17 08:02:56 PM  
Worth watching... but didn't insult the president once. Leave the rhetoric out of this.
 
2010-11-17 08:05:02 PM  

twfeline: It's funny that Fox News(?) covers this with a photo where Giunta's head blocks the President's face.

How hard did they have to hunt to find that photo?

Link (new window)


as if this is about Obama
 
2010-11-17 08:07:54 PM  
i178.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-17 08:12:35 PM  

I should have been aborted: DAnthrope: superdude72: To the service people who signed up to kill and be killed in a war with no clear purpose, because the military's pay and benefits looked better than anything else their country was offering: I salute you.

Wow a troll AND a farktard all at once!
I bet your mommy is real proud of you ain't she?

/hope you're on the next plain that blows up

the rain in spain falls mainly in the plain


Where does the rain (of warheads) in Korea fall?
 
2010-11-17 08:16:25 PM  
I am proud to have served in the military with this man. Highly worth watching; I shared it all around.

/USN '95-'05
 
2010-11-17 08:24:36 PM  

JohnFernelius: Do people really cry when they see this stuff? I was certainly impressed, and the man is a hero in every way.

Still, I didn't break down in tears. I'm a grown man and some of these comments are baffling. Not even Giunta is crying.



Someone didn't watch the video.

8:44, 9:25, 10:22...

/fed the troll
//yes, he was not *technically* crying, but only because of gritted teeth and editing.
 
2010-11-17 08:26:41 PM  
I had the honor of meeting and having dinner with Drew Dix, who earned the Medal of Honor in Viet Nam. impressive man, very humble like this guy, with a quiet powerful presence. Men like this are just made from something different than the rest of us. Thanks for the post subby. and thanks for your service.
 
2010-11-17 09:17:14 PM  
I guess I should be nicer to the people that work at Subway.
 
2010-11-17 09:22:53 PM  
Yeah, Obama doesn't even deserve to be in the same room as this guy. Though I guess Chicago is kind of a war zone, but one of his own making.
 
2010-11-17 09:36:26 PM  
Penman Quote 2010-11-17 09:22:53 PM
Yeah, Obama doesn't even deserve to be in the same room as this guy. Though I guess Chicago is kind of a war zone, but one of his own making.


>>>>

Obama should have proudly served his country in a time of war guarding Illinois from terrarasts.
 
2010-11-17 09:37:25 PM  
It amazes me that we can have umpteen threads about the TSA and people will spew their outrage, but only a tenth of them will come in and say this guy is awesome.

Fark is Farked Up.
 
2010-11-17 09:40:57 PM  
Wrestlers. Doing what needs to be done.
 
2010-11-17 09:41:11 PM  
The part that got me is when they ask him what happened and he says he is trying to forget. That it would help him in the long run [to forget].

There is shiat that my husband won't talk about from his time in Iraq and Afghanistan and nor would I ever ask him to talk about it. To have seen him choke back tears, the 1000 yard stare, the facial expressions when I see him across the room internalizing everything....

My own father was in Viet Nam -- one silver and two bronze stars to his name and was almost considered for nomination for a MoH himself -- and HE won't even talk about it. None of it. I know what he did for one bronze star and was enough to make me go "holy crap! what did he do for the rest of it?!"

I guess that part hits home more for me because the families see the toll of war on a person even many decades later. That ordinary men do some extraordinary things, being the hero they never asked to be and many have to re-live it over and over again in their minds when they wish they could forget.

Hats off to this guy and all the guys that day... and to all the soldiers and Marines putting their lives on the line. Beyond all the politics and other bullshiat, the bottom line is these guys do what others are unable or unwilling to do.
 
2010-11-17 09:44:59 PM  
Read the book. It's VERY good. I've been waiting for the film to come out for months now, so it's good to see they got a distributor (though I'm sure they wanted a major release).
It's supposedly to be all footage shot while he wrote the book so it should be gritty and realistic.


Seriously--read the book.
 
2010-11-17 09:46:26 PM  

Xenomech: ...//yes, he was not *technically* crying..


O...kay? Thanks for demonstrating my point... I guess?

In all seriousness, getting choked up or struggling to "remember," as he put it, is not crying. I'm not sure why you'd advocate otherwise.
 
2010-11-17 09:47:16 PM  
Video won't stream worth a shiat on my laptop but plays flawlessly on my Droid.


THA FARK
 
2010-11-17 09:47:41 PM  

Government Drone: Worth watching... but didn't insult the president once. Leave the rhetoric out of this.


He didn't insult the President. But if the Prez asked him how it felt to be honored, he couldn't say "F*ck you" even though it's what he's thinking.
 
2010-11-17 09:49:00 PM  
phoxxy Quote 2010-11-17 09:41:11 PM

Beyond all the politics and other bullshiat, the bottom line is these guys do what others are unable or unwilling to do.

>>>>

You do realize that sentence is entirely political, right? You are an enabler of unjust actions by politicians and companies. Your /csb was very interesting actually, and should have ended it with

Hats off to this guy and all the guys that day... and to all the soldiers and Marines putting their lives on the line.

But instead you had to get political with the last sentence.
 
2010-11-17 09:50:39 PM  

TelJanin: Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes.


I did watch the video, and I watched where Captain Dan Kearney said, "I made the decision, being the commander on the ground that I wanted to go into Landegal to get our damn weapons back and show these people that we're not gonna give up. We don't leave anything behind - I don't want them to have a war trophy. I don't want them walking around in some video showing off Sgt. Rice's M14, or Sgt. [muffled talk]'s backpack with his name on it. Hell no. I'm getting that stuff. That's not theirs, that's mine."

So this Captain marched his unit into a heavily occupied zone, walked them right into an ambush, to get back some equipment? Three soldiers under his command died because of this attempt to get back some guns and some backpacks? Because he didn't want to give the enemy a a "war trophy?"

Well. That was...pretty farking stupid of him. Let them have the farking M14 and the backpack. Let them choke on it.

The motto is "leave no MAN behind." Not "leave no piece of EQUIPMENT behind."
 
2010-11-17 09:50:48 PM  

ShillinTheVillain: Government Drone: Worth watching... but didn't insult the president once. Leave the rhetoric out of this.

He didn't insult the President. But if the Prez asked him how it felt to be honored, he couldn't say "F*ck you" even though it's what he's thinking.


Yeah, I wasn't sure how to feel about that. He calls it a tremendous honor in the next sentence, and I understand his anguish, but I also don't think it's "insulting" to Obama... Maybe a little crude at worst.
 
2010-11-17 09:52:43 PM  

phoxxy: The part that got me is when they ask him what happened and he says he is trying to forget. That it would help him in the long run [to forget].

There is shiat that my husband won't talk about from his time in Iraq and Afghanistan and nor would I ever ask him to talk about it. To have seen him choke back tears, the 1000 yard stare, the facial expressions when I see him across the room internalizing everything....

My own father was in Viet Nam -- one silver and two bronze stars to his name and was almost considered for nomination for a MoH himself -- and HE won't even talk about it. None of it. I know what he did for one bronze star and was enough to make me go "holy crap! what did he do for the rest of it?!"

I guess that part hits home more for me because the families see the toll of war on a person even many decades later. That ordinary men do some extraordinary things, being the hero they never asked to be and many have to re-live it over and over again in their minds when they wish they could forget.

Hats off to this guy and all the guys that day... and to all the soldiers and Marines putting their lives on the line. Beyond all the politics and other bullshiat, the bottom line is these guys do what others are unable or unwilling to do.


THIS. You get us.
 
2010-11-17 10:00:28 PM  
I appreciate his honesty and he definitely deserved the medal. Very hard to watch the video though when my brother was just wounded in Afghanistan this weekend. It's hard to not get emotional for these guys.
 
2010-11-17 10:09:39 PM  

JohnFernelius: ShillinTheVillain: Government Drone: Worth watching... but didn't insult the president once. Leave the rhetoric out of this.

He didn't insult the President. But if the Prez asked him how it felt to be honored, he couldn't say "F*ck you" even though it's what he's thinking.

Yeah, I wasn't sure how to feel about that. He calls it a tremendous honor in the next sentence, and I understand his anguish, but I also don't think it's "insulting" to Obama... Maybe a little crude at worst.


I agree, and I think even if he did say it, anybody would understand the sentiment. But he would still censor himself in front of Obama and say something like it's a great honor and I'm proud to serve, yadda yadda.
 
2010-11-17 10:29:40 PM  

Lifeless: CAADbury: Wombatzu: I must have missed the insult to the President.

Q: So what did you feel when you heard you were winning the MoH?
Giunta: fark you.

That sounded like an average incredulous reaction to me. Was it the president who told him personally? I figure word would probably have come down the pipeline before Obama got directly involved.


The Congressional Medal of Honor is not awarded by the President, it is awarded by Congress, duh. The President simply bestows the Medal in the ceremony. So if SSgt. Giunta is saying "fark you" to anyone, it's to Congress.
 
2010-11-17 10:36:44 PM  
This really hits close to home. What they went through was farking hell. He handled himself well as previously stated. And the way he answered that question, how it feels to be awarded the Medal of Honor...wow, just wow, he's put it into a context that not many people would think of. And his answer i found, was spot on
 
2010-11-17 11:00:46 PM  
*awkward civvie salute*
 
2010-11-17 11:00:49 PM  
Nice troll. But he doesn't criticize the president and the only thing there that couldn't go on 60 minutes are the few swear words. I didn't know Glenn Beck was on Fark.
 
2010-11-17 11:06:55 PM  
I will continue to thank every man and woman I see in uniform. I will teach my children to honor and respect veterans.

To go out, and risk your life, to save another and bring him back - that's the ultimate act of selflessness and bravery.

Here's hoping that this man and his comrades - alive and dead - are not forgotten or their efforts performed in vain.

Here's to you, paisan. I hope you find peace one day, and find it before you get too old to appreciate life.
 
2010-11-17 11:19:28 PM  

Gwendolyn: To me it didn't get so "good" until about 12 minutes in when they ask the guy how it feels, but after that wow.


After that it was amazing.
 
2010-11-17 11:45:39 PM  
A little something in honor of SSG Giunta and all soldiers, living and dead. The words aren't mine,


THE FINAL INSPECTION

The soldier stood and faced God, Which must always come to pass. He hoped his shoes were shining, Just as brightly as his brass.

"Step forward now, you soldier, How shall I deal with you ? Have you always turned the other cheek ? To My Church have you been true?"

The soldier squared his shoulders and said, "No, Lord, I guess I ain't. Because those of us who carry guns, Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays, And at times my talk was tough. And sometimes I've been violent, Because the world is awfully rough.

But, I never took a penny, That wasn't mine to keep... Though I worked a lot of overtime, When the bills got just too steep.

And I never passed a cry for help, Though at times I shook with fear. And sometimes, God, forgive me, I've wept unmanly tears.

I know I don't deserve a place, Among the people here. They never wanted me around, Except to calm their fears.

If you've a place for me here, Lord, It needn't be so grand. I never expected or had too much, But if you don't, I'll understand.

There was a silence all around the throne, Where the saints had often trod. As the soldier waited quietly, For the judgment of his God.

"Step forward now, you soldier, You've borne your burdens well. Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets, You've done your time in Hell."

~Author Unknown~
 
2010-11-18 12:29:21 AM  
I was impressed, but I didn't cry. I really like to think that most men would do what he did, much less any man in the army. The sad part is that this outstanding bravery is seen as uncommon in our military.

/Why are we there
 
2010-11-18 12:37:53 AM  

Freakman: I for one am very glad that this went to an enlisted servicemember. There are way too many officer ribbon chasers and way too many people who look the other way. The enlisted do the real work.

/officers shouldn't even get ribbons and medals


I wouldn't go that far, but corruption does run pretty heavy in the commissioned ranks. On our deployment the majority of all awards went to the POGs in the Command Element (making up probably 10% of personnel), and those mostly went to officers and SNCOs who I think were just padding eachothers' SRBs.

Our own OIC and SNCOIC recommended each other for Naval Commendations and both received them. Meanwhile those of us who went on missions and spent months on shiathole FOBs literally shiatting in holes got nothing. One guy got a NAM.

From what I can tell about Giunta, he is about as good and as representative a sample of valor and heroism in these wars as you will find. He is a simple spoken person who is willing to put everything of himself on the line. If we gave that award to everyone who deserved it it would go to thousands. But I will gladly settle for Giunta receiving it on behalf behalf of everyone who does deserve it, he will carry it well.
 
2010-11-18 12:47:09 AM  

I should have been aborted: I think he is implying that officers never do brave things, which is an in comprehensibly idiotic thing to say.


I didn't gather that. What he did say (before slashies) was true. There are a lot of officers who dishonorably chase honors, and they are in a position to do so. Seen it happen. I've seen a Captain get a Bronze with a V who never stepped foot off of one of the most heavily secured bases in all of Iraq.

But there are officers who definitely earned their shiat. Brian Chontosh comes to mind. He probably should have gotten an MoH for the pure one-man fury and fark all he unleashed on an enemy position. He probably didn't get it purely because the Iraq War is such a touchy issue politically... and he didn't save anyone in the process.
 
2010-11-18 12:59:10 AM  

SR_NightBane: The soldier stood and faced God


Right there, half the battalion's eyes rolled.

//'lot more atheists and irreligionists than you would think in the military
 
2010-11-18 01:09:43 AM  
I can understand his feelings. Sure you received the nations highest honor for doing your job, but that doesn't bring back your dead squadmates. I don't think he'll ever truly recover from that experience as no one in that position would.
 
2010-11-18 01:14:45 AM  
This is what it's all about (from citation):

Giunta's unwavering courage, selflessness, and decisive leadership while under extreme enemy fire

Thank you, all servicemen and women.
 
2010-11-18 01:50:42 AM  

Big Al: phoxxy Quote 2010-11-17 09:41:11 PM

Beyond all the politics and other bullshiat, the bottom line is these guys do what others are unable or unwilling to do.

>>>>

You do realize that sentence is entirely political, right? You are an enabler of unjust actions by politicians and companies. Your /csb was very interesting actually, and should have ended it with

Hats off to this guy and all the guys that day... and to all the soldiers and Marines putting their lives on the line.

But instead you had to get political with the last sentence.


Um... and that is political... how?

I think the only person making it political is yourself.
 
2010-11-18 02:16:27 AM  
Giunta for President 2020
 
2010-11-18 02:36:30 AM  

phoxxy: I think the only person making it political is yourself.


Well, Big Al certainly made his own feelings toward veterans known in a different thread the day before Veterans' Day, particularly veterans who disagree with his idea that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Big Al: This explains everything. I knew I got that ex-military insult right on the money. Drilled into your head to follow the herd you can't stand anyone you deem an outcast (conspiracy theorist) who doesn't adhere to mainstream group-think.

What a douche.
 
2010-11-18 03:16:02 AM  

ZipSplat: phoxxy: I think the only person making it political is yourself.

Well, Big Al certainly made his own feelings toward veterans known in a different thread the day before Veterans' Day, particularly veterans who disagree with his idea that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Big Al: This explains everything. I knew I got that ex-military insult right on the money. Drilled into your head to follow the herd you can't stand anyone you deem an outcast (conspiracy theorist) who doesn't adhere to mainstream group-think.

What a douche.


Eh, I generally ignore the little window-lickers who ride the short bus around Fark. He can have all the opinions he wants.

Regardless of what he thinks, people like my husband, my father and generations before them wore a uniform so they could protect the rights not just for me, but for all the people like Big Al as well -- whether at war or no. However, opinions are like assholes.... you just don't have to act like one when expressing it.

But since we are expressing our opinions, I am of the opinion that all of Big Al's potential ran down his daddy's leg at conception.
 
2010-11-18 04:14:20 AM  
Sal Giunta? Doesn't sound like an American name to me.
This is no doubt part of the Obama agenda to make illegals more accepted.
 
2010-11-18 04:38:37 AM  

Lando Lincoln: TelJanin: Clearly you didn't watch the video. From the beginning of where he's describing the ambush to where he rescues the body from the enemy fighters, he chokes up repeatedly and has tears shining in his eyes.

I did watch the video, and I watched where Captain Dan Kearney said, "I made the decision, being the commander on the ground that I wanted to go into Landegal to get our damn weapons back and show these people that we're not gonna give up. We don't leave anything behind - I don't want them to have a war trophy. I don't want them walking around in some video showing off Sgt. Rice's M14, or Sgt. [muffled talk]'s backpack with his name on it. Hell no. I'm getting that stuff. That's not theirs, that's mine."

So this Captain marched his unit into a heavily occupied zone, walked them right into an ambush, to get back some equipment? Three soldiers under his command died because of this attempt to get back some guns and some backpacks? Because he didn't want to give the enemy a a "war trophy?"

Well. That was...pretty farking stupid of him. Let them have the farking M14 and the backpack. Let them choke on it.

The motto is "leave no MAN behind." Not "leave no piece of EQUIPMENT behind."


Similar argument to above. Media line is that the Taliban are now starting to run out of ammunition and equipment. Leaving an American soldier's full kit in the field re-equips another insurgent for an extended period of time and potentially lets him kill more Americans. I think I can see Cpt. Kearney's point. You'd have to ask SSG. Giunta whether or not it was justified.
 
2010-11-18 05:51:30 AM  
Medal of Honor is reserved for people who single-handedly destroy bunkers, take dozens of prisoners and turn whole battles around while bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds in guts. This guy does deserve an award, but seriously? Shooting two insurgents and carrying two wounded comrades is not nearly in the same league. It's a propaganda thing, they just needed someone to pin a Medal of Honor on as in these days of remote-controlled warfare true heroism is hard to come by. The guy deserves a Bronze Star or possibly Silver Star, but a Medal of Honor hell no.
 
2010-11-18 05:57:07 AM  
For comparison, here's a citation for a guy who was denied Medal of Honor because of his Jewishness and had it given him by GW Bush half a century later. With all due respect, these actions are in different leagues.

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty: Corporal Tibor Rubin distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism during the period from July 23, 1950, to April 20, 1953, while serving as a rifleman with Company I, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division in the Republic of Korea. While his unit was retreating to the Pusan Perimeter, Corporal Rubin was assigned to stay behind to keep open the vital Taegu-Pusan Road link used by his withdrawing unit. During the ensuing battle, overwhelming numbers of North Korean troops assaulted a hill defended solely by Corporal Rubin. He inflicted a staggering number of casualties on the attacking force during his personal 24-hour battle, single-handedly slowing the enemy advance and allowing the 8th Cavalry Regiment to complete its withdrawal successfully. Following the breakout from the Pusan Perimeter, the 8th Cavalry Regiment proceeded northward and advanced into North Korea. During the advance, he helped capture several hundred North Korean soldiers. On October 30, 1950, Chinese forces attacked his unit at Unsan, North Korea, during a massive nighttime assault. That night and throughout the next day, he manned a .30 caliber machine gun at the south end of the unit's line after three previous gunners became casualties. He continued to man his machine gun until his ammunition was exhausted. His determined stand slowed the pace of the enemy advance in his sector, permitting the remnants of his unit to retreat southward. As the battle raged, Corporal Rubin was severely wounded and captured by the Chinese. Choosing to remain in the prison camp despite offers from the Chinese to return him to his native Hungary, Corporal Rubin disregarded his own personal safety and immediately began sneaking out of the camp at night in search of food for his comrades. Breaking into enemy food storehouses and gardens, he risked certain torture or death if caught. Corporal Rubin provided not only food to the starving Soldiers, but also desperately needed medical care and moral support for the sick and wounded of the POW camp. His brave, selfless efforts were directly attributed to saving the lives of as many as forty of his fellow prisoners.
 
2010-11-18 06:22:27 AM  

ShereKhan: Sadly, this douchebag thinks differently

Link (new window)

Farkers unite to destroy the moron!


Let me know when the planning meeting is. That guy is a lower than low. Farking AFA is............sorry, I can't come up with anything strong enough to describe that organization. But it's members: God damn backwards ignorant sub human mouth breathing hate mongering poopoo heads.
 
2010-11-18 07:40:37 AM  
That was remarkable.
 
2010-11-18 07:56:01 AM  
One of the best uses of Hero tag on Fark ever
 
2010-11-18 08:53:45 AM  

XYNHR: Medal of Honor is reserved for people who single-handedly destroy bunkers, take dozens of prisoners and turn whole battles around while bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds in guts. This guy does deserve an award, but seriously? Shooting two insurgents and carrying two wounded comrades is not nearly in the same league. It's a propaganda thing, they just needed someone to pin a Medal of Honor on as in these days of remote-controlled warfare true heroism is hard to come by. The guy deserves a Bronze Star or possibly Silver Star, but a Medal of Honor hell no.


In many ways, I would have to agree with you, but considering by what standards the US gives out bronze stars these days, what else is there to give that means anything? Case and point. Some ass who sat in Kuwait on radio watch for the whole of his time there in '03 got a bronze star, sans valor device, but still... a farking bronze star for sitting on his fat ass for the whole of a deployment. By comparison, my father received one of his bronze stars in Vietnam after taking out two enemy gun nests and dragging 4 men to safety -- two of which had had their legs blown off, one dead and another severely wounded. This earned him a bronze star, folks. This is the man who also won a 2nd bronze star and a silver star (and subsequently one of the few soldiers in Vietnam who received a battlefield commission due to his actions).

Giving a medal w/out merit cheapens it for future recipients. So in that respect, I don't think that awards should be given on merits of propaganda.

HOWEVER...

The Korengal valley is a biatch of a place. None of us were there that day. He rescued three -- not one, not two -- of his fellow soldiers while under fire. He did this in an area that has been known to be brutal to our forces and has taken many American lives. They were fighting blind that day due to a lack of communication with both American and enemy fire falling all around them. I don't think any less of this fellow for getting the Medal even if it wasn't appropriately awarded according to previous accepted standards. The man himself didn't want it. He didn't wake up one day and decide that he should be awarded this. Someone documented his actions and filed the necessary paperwork and it went from there.

While it may be propaganda to a certain extent in favor of bolstering morale in this war, things are rough in Afghanistan -- more so than what the media will ever tell us here at home. But, yes, war is fought different now in the grand scope of things versus how it was many decades ago. Maybe maybe his Medal is propaganda, but on the flip side of things, how do we award such acts of great acts bravery and valor when the way we fight war is significantly different than 40+ years ago?
 
2010-11-18 09:21:02 AM  

phoxxy: XYNHR: Medal of Honor is reserved for people who single-handedly destroy bunkers, take dozens of prisoners and turn whole battles around while bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds in guts. This guy does deserve an award, but seriously? Shooting two insurgents and carrying two wounded comrades is not nearly in the same league. It's a propaganda thing, they just needed someone to pin a Medal of Honor on as in these days of remote-controlled warfare true heroism is hard to come by. The guy deserves a Bronze Star or possibly Silver Star, but a Medal of Honor hell no.

In many ways, I would have to agree with you, but considering by what standards the US gives out bronze stars these days, what else is there to give that means anything? Case and point. Some ass who sat in Kuwait on radio watch for the whole of his time there in '03 got a bronze star, sans valor device, but still... a farking bronze star for sitting on his fat ass for the whole of a deployment. By comparison, my father received one of his bronze stars in Vietnam after taking out two enemy gun nests and dragging 4 men to safety -- two of which had had their legs blown off, one dead and another severely wounded. This earned him a bronze star, folks. This is the man who also won a 2nd bronze star and a silver star (and subsequently one of the few soldiers in Vietnam who received a battlefield commission due to his actions).

Giving a medal w/out merit cheapens it for future recipients. So in that respect, I don't think that awards should be given on merits of propaganda.

HOWEVER...

The Korengal valley is a biatch of a place. None of us were there that day. He rescued three -- not one, not two -- of his fellow soldiers while under fire. He did this in an area that has been known to be brutal to our forces and has taken many American lives. They were fighting blind that day due to a lack of communication with both American and enemy fire falling all around them. I don't think any less of this fellow for getting the Medal even if it wasn't appropriately awarded according to previous accepted standards. The man himself didn't want it. He didn't wake up one day and decide that he should be awarded this. Someone documented his actions and filed the necessary paperwork and it went from there.

While it may be propaganda to a certain extent in favor of bolstering morale in this war, things are rough in Afghanistan -- more so than what the media will ever tell us here at home. But, yes, war is fought different now in the grand scope of things versus how it was many decades ago. Maybe maybe his Medal is propaganda, but on the flip side of things, how do we award such acts of great acts bravery and valor when the way we fight war is significantly different than 40+ years ago?


i know someone that got a Bronze Star (reservist) for IT support in the field. NO joke. He brags about it in public, then I mention why he got it and he shuts up quick.

total opposite of this dude.
 
2010-11-18 10:48:31 AM  

Jorge Sum: Freakman: I for one am very glad that this went to an enlisted servicemember. There are way too many officer ribbon chasers and way too many people who look the other way. The enlisted do the real work.

/officers shouldn't even get ribbons and medals

Apparently the selection committees mostly agree, because if you look at the list then only one out of the ten Medals of Honor given since the end of the Vietnam War was given to an officer.

But y'know, if you want to look up the citation of Lieutenant Michael P. Murphy and claim that officers shouldn't be eligble to get medals then go right ahead.


I'll do you one better: I am an officer, and despite the countless MoH citations for officers I'm familiar with, I still don't think we should get them.

It used to be that way. The MoH wasn't authorized for officers until the Civil War. It's a recognition that the enlisted men and women do the true work of the war. Officers are there to support them through coordination and planning.

Medals are supposed to be given for actions above and beyond the call of duty. Nothing is above and beyond the call of duty for an officer. It's just your job.
 
2010-11-18 10:59:17 AM  

ZipSplat: I should have been aborted: I think he is implying that officers never do brave things, which is an in comprehensibly idiotic thing to say.

I didn't gather that. What he did say (before slashies) was true. There are a lot of officers who dishonorably chase honors, and they are in a position to do so. Seen it happen. I've seen a Captain get a Bronze with a V who never stepped foot off of one of the most heavily secured bases in all of Iraq.

But there are officers who definitely earned their shiat. Brian Chontosh comes to mind. He probably should have gotten an MoH for the pure one-man fury and fark all he unleashed on an enemy position. He probably didn't get it purely because the Iraq War is such a touchy issue politically... and he didn't save anyone in the process.


I've met Brian Chontosh. He's just as humble about what he did and the Navy Cross as SSGT Guinta.
 
2010-11-18 11:08:34 AM  
ZipSplat [TotalFark] Quote 2010-11-18 02:36:30 AM

Well, Big Al certainly made his own feelings toward veterans known in a different thread the day before Veterans' Day, particularly veterans who disagree with his idea that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

>>>>

Tell me this, is there anything you won't just makeup out of thin air to suit your argument? You are the most delusional peon I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with. I said they were criminally negligent in protecting America. If it was a Democratic administration you and all the other blind shills would have been calling for their heads.
 
2010-11-18 11:24:07 AM  

X-boxershorts: Big Al: realtorofthemonth Quote 2010-11-17 04:57:45 PM

It was teh awesome.

>>>>

what the hell is awesome about this? or war in general? You think it's awesome he was next to his dying buddies? and probably feels responsible for their loss of life? The never ending nightmares he will suffer with and probably never hold a steady job?

The Q&A was "teh awesome"

I bit...1/10


fank you for the clarification.

and for the DB:

AWESOME: DEFINITION:

impressive and frightening: so impressive or overwhelming as to inspire a strong feeling of admiration or fear
"the awesome destructive power of a tornado"

(http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+awesome&FORM=DTPDIA&qp​vt=awesom e +definition)
 
2010-11-18 12:13:03 PM  

Big Al: Tell me this, is there anything you won't just makeup out of thin air to suit your argument? You are the most delusional peon I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with. I said they were criminally negligent in protecting America. If it was a Democratic administration you and all the other blind shills would have been calling for their heads.


So.... how does that window taste?
 
2010-11-18 12:44:03 PM  

sojourner: Similar argument to above. Media line is that the Taliban are now starting to run out of ammunition and equipment. Leaving an American soldier's full kit in the field re-equips another insurgent for an extended period of time and potentially lets him kill more Americans. I think I can see Cpt. Kearney's point. You'd have to ask SSG. Giunta whether or not it was justified.


How about we ask the three soldiers that died if the mission to go rescue some equipment was worth their lives. Or we could ask the families that buried them.
 
2010-11-18 01:01:25 PM  
phoxxy Quote 2010-11-18 12:13:03 PM

So.... how does that window taste?

>>>

Your mom has some pretty shiatty windows, not too great.
 
2010-11-18 01:26:50 PM  

Big Al: Tell me this, is there anything you won't just makeup out of thin air to suit your argument?


Is there a point in time when you won't dishonorably abdicate your own positions when it's convenient?

Big Al: ZipSplat [TotalFark] Quote 2010-10-19 06:27:24 PM

Just come out and say it, don't try to distance yourself from your own nuttery: You think that JFK was assassinated by LBJ and you think the Bush administration was behind 9/11. Just say it.

>>>>

Why is it nuttery? Because people have created this idea that only lunatics and outcasts believe in conspiracy theories? I bet you were one of the first people to call the Gulf of Tonkin for what it was, right? Not those nuts that called it a fake attack to start a war. Or how about those lunatics who thought the USS Maine was really sunk by the enemy. Just admit you keep eating the food fed to you by the governments hand. Good boy /pat /pat


Big Al:
...I believe the top level people knew an attack was coming and did nothing to prevent it, just like Pearl Harbor. No matter how many blind patriotic gatekeepers like yourself that keep repeating lies because you desperately need to feel apart of something doesn't mean everyone should be a sheep like yourself.


And later, when he gets cornered on the issue, he retreats to "I'm just asking questions..."

I don't believe the US let the attack happen, but I believe people knew about a planned attack and did nothing to prepare, it's up to you to ask why. There were just as many warning signs of a 9-11 attack which high up people knowingly dismissed it all just like a derp like you would.

Should I continue quoting, Big Al? Perhaps go back to the thread wherein you claimed that 9/11 was allowed to happen so we could invade Afghanistan just to secure a $5bn pipeline construction contract? Or are you going to shut your f*cking mouth and put your hat on like a good little boy...

static.businessinsider.com
 
2010-11-18 02:03:03 PM  
Did anyone see him on 60 Minutes? If not, I can tell you it was great.

I personally loved it when he was asked what kind of a soldier he was:

Jiunta: "I'm average...mediocre...

Interviewer: "This is the highest honor the military can bestow on a soldier, and it comes directly from the President of the United States himself. That's pretty good for a mediocre soldier."

Jiunta: shaking head yes "Just think how good the great soldiers are."

What a humble man.
 
2010-11-18 02:39:19 PM  

Lando Lincoln: sojourner: Similar argument to above. Media line is that the Taliban are now starting to run out of ammunition and equipment. Leaving an American soldier's full kit in the field re-equips another insurgent for an extended period of time and potentially lets him kill more Americans. I think I can see Cpt. Kearney's point. You'd have to ask SSG. Giunta whether or not it was justified.

How about we ask the three soldiers that died if the mission to go rescue some equipment was worth their lives. Or we could ask the families that buried them.


I expect the answer would be the same.
 
2010-11-18 03:06:06 PM  
ZipSplat [TotalFark] Quote 2010-11-18 01:26:50 PM


Should I continue quoting, Big Al? Perhaps go back to the thread wherein you claimed that 9/11 was allowed to happen so we could invade Afghanistan just to secure a $5bn pipeline construction contract? Or are you going to shut your f*cking mouth and put your hat on like a good little boy...

>>>>

It's crazy how you can't see I just explained how they were criminally negligent in that original quote. The administration had the signs to stop the attack but did nothing. They had warnings but did nothing. That is part of the public record. Did I say the terrorists were CIA agents?

You're just a pro-military and pro-government shill who attacks anyone that knows more about the topic than you. And yes, 9/11 was used as an excuse to invade 2 countries with strategic resources. It's too bad you're such a naive little child to see that. But since you adamantly believe the governments point of view and never stray beyond page 1 of your quick Google search, you will never change your opinion. Your tired internet persona desperately trying to hide your low self esteem and anger at your low class situation in life used to be amusing, especially when you spent all that time defending the Bush administration and torture among other things. But now you're just a useless bot.
 
2010-11-18 03:10:15 PM  

sojourner: Lando Lincoln: sojourner: Similar argument to above. Media line is that the Taliban are now starting to run out of ammunition and equipment. Leaving an American soldier's full kit in the field re-equips another insurgent for an extended period of time and potentially lets him kill more Americans. I think I can see Cpt. Kearney's point. You'd have to ask SSG. Giunta whether or not it was justified.

How about we ask the three soldiers that died if the mission to go rescue some equipment was worth their lives. Or we could ask the families that buried them.

I expect the answer would be the same.


I watched Restrepo the day it came out. Capt. Kearney seems like he makes some meatheaded decisions sometimes. I don't want to be overly critical because he was very candid and seemed very honest, and I also don't have the context of having been with him, but in the movie he would do things that I thought were unwise even for an inexperienced officer. Calling in CAS on a village when they were taking fire from it was pretty high on the list. He had damn near certainty that while the CAS would probably hit the insurgents, it would also probably hit the families inside. Surprise, when they got into the village, there were dead and wounded kids everywhere and the villagers' homes were heavily damaged

In the way he articulates his thoughts, it doesn't seem like he has a very rigorous internal process for making decisions. I think the wrong reaction would be to isolate and criticize him specifically, in fact it is somewhat commendable that he didn't appear to become risk-averse just because cameras were there. I look more at ROEs and how tactics were implemented in this specific scenario to better them in training.
 
2010-11-18 03:20:48 PM  

Big Al: The administration had the signs to stop the attack but did nothing. They had warnings but did nothing.


No, they didn't. They knew that imminent attacks were being planned, but if you actually read any of the sources I had provided you, you would know that the Phoenix Memo from the Mpls Field Office was ignored at the FBI's level and was never part of the August 6th PDB. This is why Colleen Rowley sought whistleblower status.

Did I say the terrorists were CIA agents?

No, you said that the Bush Administration had explicit foreknowledge of 9/11 and allowed the attacks to happen to justify invading two countries for their natural resources and to enrich military contractors. That makes you a LIHOP Truther.

You've said this. If you want to change your mind, great. But you should start by shutting your mouth and gathering information to fill in the gaps in knowledge which you so plainly have, instead of excoriating and mocking others with sentiments that would only validly apply to you.
 
2010-11-18 03:33:03 PM  

Big Al: phoxxy Quote 2010-11-18 12:13:03 PM

So.... how does that window taste?

>>>

Your mom has some pretty shiatty windows, not too great.


Stop throwing shiat at them and then you won't have a problem.
 
2010-11-18 04:12:23 PM  
All I did was point out a sentence that was political when trying to tell everyone not to be political. This isn't that difficult. Now go join ZipShiat in the blind allegiance to the flag that makes the Founders heads spin.
 
2010-11-18 04:28:01 PM  

Big Al: All I did was point out a sentence that was political when trying to tell everyone not to be political


No, you came running your mouth attempting to temper people who were expressing respect or awe for SSG Giunta's actions or the award. Then your reputation followed you.
 
2010-11-18 05:27:46 PM  
You keep changing the goalposts and reading into what I say merely to create a false strawman you can then pick on. I said they ignored the warning signs and when something bad happened they exploited the event for wealth enrichment and control of global resources, something every empire has done for how many centuries? Maybe if you paid attention in class and did well rather than being a failure and having to rely on my tax dollars to make you into a man you would have learned proper history. And so you're just the internet policeman, setting the world straight one topic at a time... look it's quite obvious you are shallow and feel threatened by anyone with intelligence, so you go into topics trolling and insulting to feel better about yourself. Either go see a shrink or find another hobby.
 
2010-11-18 05:53:58 PM  

Big Al: [derp]


Um, I'm a mechanical engineering student. And I've taken two history classes, one for GE and one for personal interest, 4.0s in both. Are you saying that if I learned "proper history" I would believe conspiracy theories with you? Is that typical among academics in your mind, to believe in conspiracy theories?
 
2010-11-18 05:54:47 PM  

Big Al: All I did was point out a sentence that was political when trying to tell everyone not to be political. This isn't that difficult. Now go join ZipShiat in the blind allegiance to the flag that makes the Founders heads spin.


You are the only one who made my statement political. As it was, the intent and meaning were not so. If you took any personal offense to what was mentioned and saw it as otherwise, then you perhaps you have more riding on your conscious from a personal standpoint than anyone else here.

So, tell me, how do you sleep at night?
 
2010-11-18 06:25:25 PM  
ZipSplat [TotalFark] Quote 2010-11-18 05:53:58 PM

Um, I'm a mechanical engineering student. And I've taken two history classes, one for GE and one for personal interest, 4.0s in both. Are you saying that if I learned "proper history" I would believe conspiracy theories with you? Is that typical among academics in your mind, to believe in conspiracy theories?

>>>>>

Of course the I just took a class I know everything mentality. You have a very narrow view of the world, but that's what happens when you spend a decade trying to get a degree on our tax dollars even.
 
2010-11-18 06:26:54 PM  
phoxxy Quote 2010-11-18 05:54:47 PM

You are the only one who made my statement political. As it was, the intent and meaning were not so. If you took any personal offense to what was mentioned and saw it as otherwise, then you perhaps you have more riding on your conscious from a personal standpoint than anyone else here.

So, tell me, how do you sleep at night?

>>>>

Ironically the simple fact that you're taking offense to what I said means perhaps you have more riding on your conscious than anyone else here. I sleep just fine actually, not having to justify profiting off of war.
 
2010-11-18 06:45:59 PM  

Big Al: Of course the I just took a class I know everything mentality. You have a very narrow view of the world, but that's what happens when you spend a decade trying to get a degree on our tax dollars even.


First you said I should "learn proper history", now you've spun the fact that I have as a "know-everything mentality".

Just about the only think you haven't done is actually come up with some instance of me making a historical error. Care to? I know I certainly have a few of yours on hand. Who was the Secretary of Defense under Reagan again? According to you, I mean...

Big Al: [Rumsfeld] was the spokesman who represented the American interests as Defense Secretary [under the Reagan administration].

Ah yes. And apparently according to Big Al's Big Book of Pseudohistory, Rumsfeld "actively helped" Saddam during the genocide at Anfal. Did you find a source for that yet?
 
2010-11-18 07:32:38 PM  

Jake Steed: AntiNerd 2010-11-17 03:43:39 PM
Tough Talk from a TRUE American. (new window)
Personally, I just don't see how people like Bryan Fischer are tolerated in civilized society, much less elected to office. But that's the American right wing for you today.
-------------------

...and this is the American left wing for you today...


I had no idea elected leftists were burning flags in the street. Thanks for that wonderful insight.
 
2010-11-18 10:34:18 PM  

ZipSplat: Um, I'm a mechanical engineering student. And I've taken two history classes, one for GE and one for personal interest, 4.0s in both. Are you saying that if I learned "proper history" I would believe conspiracy theories with you? Is that typical among academics in your mind, to believe in conspiracy theories?


WOW.... 2 whole classes in history you took?!
Well NOW I agree with you completely!
And applaud you for hating on someone even though they clearly know more about the issue than you do. I don't know who "Big Al" is, but he didn't start the shiat in this thread, you did. Put your peener back in your pants or it'll never grow.

I don't know what else Big Al has to say, but so far as I've read here he's not only correct but not being a douche like you. It's already been admitted by the government that they had prior knowledge of the imminent attack and even the method. Why else would they be doing exercises to prepare for it? And since you're clearly one of those people screaming the mantra "our government would NEVER do this!", try to learn something about the Vietnam war and how our government sold the public on it (as Big Al pointed out - Gulf of Tonkin, a fictional story I'm sure you still believe in).

/teh douche, you caught a severe case
 
2010-11-18 11:32:32 PM  
At first I was like "WTF?" But then...

DAnthrope: It's already been admitted by the government that they had prior knowledge of the imminent attack and even the method. Why else would they be doing exercises to prepare for it? And since you're clearly one of those people screaming the mantra "our government would NEVER do this!", try to learn something about the Vietnam war and how our government sold the public on it (as Big Al pointed out - Gulf of Tonkin, a fictional story I'm sure you still believe in).


...you went full retard for me. Bravo.
 
2010-11-18 11:55:17 PM  
I guess I missed the part where he insults the President. The President didn't put him up for the CMH. The President didn't move the award recommendation up up up the chain to land with the Command in Chief. The President just signed off on what the Army chain of command asked for. No President would say no at that point.

But then, I guess having a CMH winner "insult" the President fits some knee-jerk, right-wing narrative.
 
2010-11-19 12:03:20 AM  

ZipSplat: At first I was like "WTF?" But then...

DAnthrope: It's already been admitted by the government that they had prior knowledge of the imminent attack and even the method. Why else would they be doing exercises to prepare for it? And since you're clearly one of those people screaming the mantra "our government would NEVER do this!", try to learn something about the Vietnam war and how our government sold the public on it (as Big Al pointed out - Gulf of Tonkin, a fictional story I'm sure you still believe in).

...you went full retard for me. Bravo.


Bravo! Instead of unleashing that vast knowledge base you acquired from your 2 history courses, you unleash your superior wit instead and just resort to hurling insults! To be a really good troll you should at least learn a little bit first.
 
2010-11-19 12:19:42 AM  

DAnthrope: Bravo! Instead of unleashing that vast knowledge base you acquired from your 2 history courses, you unleash your superior wit instead and just resort to hurling insults! To be a really good troll you should at least learn a little bit first.


Alright. Provide for me this: where is your evidence that the Bush administration knew of the Sept 11. plot before it happened?
 
2010-11-19 01:33:05 AM  

Big Al: phoxxy Quote 2010-11-18 05:54:47 PM

You are the only one who made my statement political. As it was, the intent and meaning were not so. If you took any personal offense to what was mentioned and saw it as otherwise, then you perhaps you have more riding on your conscious from a personal standpoint than anyone else here.

So, tell me, how do you sleep at night?

>>>>

Ironically the simple fact that you're taking offense to what I said means perhaps you have more riding on your conscious than anyone else here. I sleep just fine actually, not having to justify profiting off of war.


I pity your ignorance and take offense to your stupidity. You naturally assume a person's political views because they support someone who puts their life on the line in service to their country. You are quick to put words in the mouth of others and make assumptions. You create conflict with others in order to convince yourself that your little paradigm of thought is somehow right above all else. This was about recognizing a humble man who, for one single moment in time, went above and beyond to help save the lives of others. Instead, you wanted to stand on your soap box, point fingers, politicize and attack others who were showing support [for this man].

There is no need to justify war profiteering because the bottom line is, in the end, no one profits from it. The monetary profit is minuscule compared to the cost paid in lives,those who are directly affected by it and future generations who will continue to pay the price -- however justified in its action or not. The trust that soldiers place in us is a commodity that I surely don't wish to squander. Unlike you, I can make the distinction between what is support for our soldiers and the disdain or dissatisfaction in the politics that sent them there.

I don't sleep well at night and you shouldn't either.

But then again, none of this directly affects you, so what does it really matter to you. Just sit back, armchair everything and shiat on the very institution of people who give you that right in the first place. Seems to be working for you so far. Unfortunately, it doesn't make you the least bit intelligent.
 
2010-11-19 11:56:07 AM  

vinzago: I guess I missed the part where he insults the President. The President didn't put him up for the CMH. The President didn't move the award recommendation up up up the chain to land with the Command in Chief. The President just signed off on what the Army chain of command asked for. No President would say no at that point.

But then, I guess having a CMH winner "insult" the President fits some knee-jerk, right-wing narrative.


Oh my God. Seriously - if you're going to comment, at least try to read some of the things that have been posted over and over again. What I meant when I wrote the headline was that it is insulting to go into the home of the President of the United States of America, and use the type of language that he used in the interview I linked. I did not mean that he insulted the president during the interview, or that this has anything to do with right vs. left. I meant, simply, that it's bad form to drop f-bombs in front of the leader of the free world. That's all. I figured most people would catch on, but apparently it's a little too much for you farking simpletons that can't read anything having to do with our country's leadership without painting a political picture around it.
 
2010-11-19 05:57:20 PM  

ZipSplat: DAnthrope: Bravo! Instead of unleashing that vast knowledge base you acquired from your 2 history courses, you unleash your superior wit instead and just resort to hurling insults! To be a really good troll you should at least learn a little bit first.

Alright. Provide for me this: where is your evidence that the Bush administration knew of the Sept 11. plot before it happened?


*crickets*
 
2010-11-19 06:08:19 PM  
Shameless bookmark from an old broken down REMF.

/nothing but respect
 
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