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2010-11-17 10:56:49 AM
Dog Welder: That is enough to prevent 9/11 from happening again.

No, the fact that the passengers will NEVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN is enough to prevent 9-11 from happening again.

Se also, locked cockpit doors and air marshalls.

The TSA is a horrible, horrible joke being played on all of us while they take money out of our wallets.
 
2010-11-17 10:56:49 AM
Flargan: If you want to get rid of the TSA then complain to the airports and reduce the amount of flights you take.

Let the airports act as your lobbyist and have them push Congress for you.

//Just cut back on your flights (when you can, I know sometimes you can't do this) and make sure to write a letter to the airport telling them the reason you didn't fly was the TSA.


The airports don't need to do anything with Congress. The airports are fully within their rights to stop using the TSA and go back to private security as of 2003. Tell the airports instead that you're willing to travel to whichever regional is closest to you that does away with the TSA.
 
2010-11-17 10:57:01 AM
Put a bunch of Chryslers on the back of a train the size of the Chrysler Building, and drive that train into the Chrysler Building.
 
2010-11-17 10:57:04 AM
dittybopper: Submit to screenings or stay the fark home

Fair enough. I'll stay home, or drive.


That's not a very realistic option if work requires you to fly or your family is over 1,100 miles away. Perhaps it would be reasonable to force you through the same procedures in order to use a public highway?
 
2010-11-17 10:57:08 AM
ccsdc83: Stay home then you farking babies

Wait the people who want to stand up for their rights and travel with dignity instead of cowering in fear from terrorism are the babies?
 
2010-11-17 10:57:09 AM
Trackball: Funny how the same people complain that certain groups are using fear to get their agenda across have no problem being subjected to fear tactics to be treated like they have committed a crime.

I dont think ANY *group* of individuals thinks this is okay. At least not any informed group of individuals. Individuals arguing that it is okay, I think, are assuming it isnt as bad as it is.

The thanksgiving travel weekend will end this. People will stop assuming its not that big of a deal and experience it.
 
2010-11-17 10:57:15 AM
Obama's police state in action
 
2010-11-17 10:57:43 AM
Dear America,

You've officially lost the war on terror.

Love,

Rest of the World
 
2010-11-17 10:57:46 AM
The TSA is wrong that there is no choice.

First of all, the law creating the TSA gives individual airports the right to opt out of having the TSA there at all. Tne details (new window)

Also... just recently, Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller called the cops on a TSA person who fondled his junk - and managed to scare the heck out of the TSA folks in the process: linky (new window)
 
2010-11-17 10:57:53 AM
Oh get over it you whiners. If the government backs off a bit and something happens, you same self-important slugs would be crying foul that not enough precautions were taken.

/jackwagons
 
2010-11-17 10:58:15 AM
Carth: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

I'm against the scanners but that photo is a well known fake.

NSFW (new window)


FilmBELOH20: Um, no. I'm against the TSA, but that photoshop is photoshopped.

Ok. I stand corrected. That was a fake, but does anyone know how a scan image of a fairly hot female would look like if one reverses or adjust the coloring of it? That must be pretty close to what the fake pic showed.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:45 AM
cryinoutloud: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

That's not real, as has been mentioned many times. More like this:


THIS is not the type we are talking about, this is an older model.

There was one faked, but the results of these scans are MUCH better than presented here.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:45 AM
"TSA Administrator John S. Pistole appealed to the flying public to become "partners" in the effort to combat terrorism."

Dear, Mr. Pistole,

Fark you! I'll just stay home, thank you. between your police state bullshiat and the airlines having turned airplanes into Greyhound buses, I'll take the just stay home option.

Sincerely Yours,
The Not-flying Public

P.S. bite me.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:49 AM
The_Cinnamon_Situation: The TSA is wrong that there is no choice.

First of all, the law creating the TSA gives individual airports the right to opt out of having the TSA there at all. Tne details (new window)

Also... just recentlyback in 2002, Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller called the cops on a TSA person who fondled his junk - and managed to scare the heck out of the TSA folks in the process: linky (new window)


FTFY.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:51 AM
If I ever get the chance to opt-out of a nude-scan, I'm taking it. I just want to be able to say I've had the federal government feel my balls.
 
2010-11-17 10:58:52 AM
craphound.com
 
2010-11-17 10:59:04 AM
www.harrystone.net
 
2010-11-17 10:59:12 AM
ambassador_ahab: I'm asking for the physical pat-down and stuffing a huge dildo down my pants. Just wait till they pat that 15-incher.

img.photobucket.com

Think vegetable
 
2010-11-17 10:59:38 AM
jaydawg53: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: In other news...Amtrak offers GREAT child, AAA, Veterans, Student, et. al. discounts. And they have real meals available on board. Just sayin.

I took my first train ride (not counting commuter trains) this past weekend from Washington DC to Greensboro, and it was fantastic. It only took about an hour longer than if I had driven it, it was quiet, and I got to sleep, read, get up and hang out in the dining car, etc. Much better experience than flying. And I didn't have to go through any security check at all. I used to think that taking a train sounded like a terrible idea, but now I'm looking forward to doing it again sometime.

/cool farkin story, huh bro?


I used to take Amtrak to New Jersey from Providence a lot and always had a good experience. No hassle's, plenty of leg room and yes it only took about an hour longer than driving. Not to mention my carry-on vodka for the trip ;-)
 
2010-11-17 10:59:47 AM
Matt P: If Michael Jackson fondles a child's balls he gets called a paedophile,

if the TSA fondles your child's balls, its called "national security"


Your mom fondles my balls, it's called "Thursday".

/sorry
//had to
 
2010-11-17 11:00:01 AM
A few months ago, I was on a flight out of Dallas. My husband and I sat beside a kindly older lady who was settled happily into the window seat. Shortly after takeoff, she pulled out some sort of sewing project to work on. Included was a pair of those six-inch-long, orange-handled, sharp scissors.

Me: "Wow. They let you bring those scissors on the plane?"
Her: *looking at scissors as if seeing them for the first time* "Well, I guess so! I didn't even think about them."
Me: "Well, I feel much safer."
Her: *nervous laugh, then back to humming while sewing*

The other passengers are now the most effective security we've got. TSA has stopped nothing of significance, but other passengers on the planes have stopped the underwear bomber, shoe bomber, etc. No one is gonna sit back and expect to land safely in Havana anymore; the game has changed.

That kindly-looking lady got through security with giant scissors (thanks, TSA), but if she had started waving her scissors around and acting weird, we would have held her down until the flight attendants arrived.

So what good is the TSA again...? Oh right, security theater. Awesome.

/cool story, sis
 
2010-11-17 11:00:24 AM
The most frightening thing to me about this issue is how easily the vast majority of Americans simply acquiesce to a gross invasion of a reasonable expectation of privacy. The government is using the specter of terrorism to erode civil liberties in the name of public safety- an agenda it pursues constantly, and has managed to take to yet another level.
 
2010-11-17 11:00:32 AM
Jairzinho: check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister

What about your husband, brother or son?
 
2010-11-17 11:00:38 AM
"We need to be safe! Secure! There are people trying to blow up the plane that you're on!!!~!~!1"

For anybody that uses that above statement, I have to ask why we don't just shackle people to the floor. fark it, if you want to guarantee my safety and the safety of the entire plane, make sure the handcuffs are locked and tight before takeoff. Assist children with theirs. The flight attendants and armed air marshal will be checking everybody's restraints before we take off, so if you don't want things to get unpleasant we advise you ensure that everything is snug.
 
2010-11-17 11:00:42 AM
cryinoutloud: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

That's not real, as has been mentioned many times. More like this:


Those photos released are from old technology and not the level the current airport scanners show. This (NSFW?) (new window) is what the machines produced in 2006 looked like and they still haven't released full resolution images.
 
2010-11-17 11:01:02 AM
Carousel Beast: GAT_00: DarthBrooks: jchic: Because nobody drove a train into a building causing a massive knee-jerk reaction.



Next up: body cavity searches at U-Haul rental centers.

And there wasn't a ridiculous knee jerk reaction like the Patriot Act when that happened because someone sane was in office.

Well, the minority party at the time did all the could to halt the evil Republicans, right?

Right??

Oh.

Ah well, the Democrats at least backed that shiat off when they controlled both the Legislative and Executive branches for two years, right?

Right??

/choad


Russ Feingold...not sure why he's not our president, instead we get this corporate whore "centrist/conservative" we call a Democrat as president. Meet the new boss...etc
 
2010-11-17 11:01:28 AM
FilmBELOH20: Tell the airports instead that you're willing to travel to whichever regional is closest to you that does away with the TSA.

Yeah, that would work.

I am just not in favor of writing to my representatives because I am pretty sure nothing will come from it.
 
2010-11-17 11:01:30 AM
I guess I'm ok with the pat downs and scanners if they really, really feel like they need to do that to secure flights but there are other problems with airline security that they need to address. They need to make some huge upgrades to their personnel so that they have well qualified people handling security. They also need to conduct a common sense check on the things they're banning from flights like nail clippers and water bottles. If they're less worried about finding the little stuff that doesn't matter they'll be better able to focus on the really dangerous items... and they'll be able to get people through more smoothly so they'll be a bit less pissed off about going through security.
 
2010-11-17 11:01:34 AM
The TSA would probably refuse to release the numbers because of some security concern but can anyone tell me how many bombs and other real security threats have been detected because of the screening? The shoe bomber got through, the underwear bomber got through as have a few others, most not originating flights in the U.S. But this has been going on/escalating for 10 years. Every time it seems they have reached the pinnacle of absurdity, the TSA finds more and higher pinnacles. Surely they have something to show for this?
 
2010-11-17 11:01:41 AM
farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-11-17 11:01:46 AM
I am still waiting for the day we get to bailout the airlines again but this time due to lower passenger numbers as the result of people choosing alternative modes of travel to avoid the insane level of "Security"
 
2010-11-17 11:02:00 AM
tuffsnake: Jairzinho: check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister

What about your husband, brother or son?


I couldn't find a fake TSA picture depicting a young and fit male.
 
2010-11-17 11:02:43 AM
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Benjamin Franklin
 
2010-11-17 11:02:44 AM
I sound fat:
I dont think ANY *group* of individuals thinks this is okay. At least not any informed group of individuals. Individuals arguing that it is okay, I think, are assuming it isnt as bad as it is.
The thanksgiving travel weekend will end this. People will stop assuming its not that big of a deal and experience it.


We'll see. I think i saw something that said Thanksgiving air travel was going to be up 30% over last year. So at least so far, the only people up in arms about this are people on the internet.

Probably a lot of people don't think any more of the backscatter machines than they do of the other thingy they used--the metal detector.

/I don't fly and it shows.
 
2010-11-17 11:02:49 AM
Passengers selected at random go through the full-body scanners and are offered an "enhanced pat-down" as an alternative.

If by "offered" they mean "placed in very tiny print at the bottom of ONE small sign at the very beginning on the line, then yes, they "offer" the pat down. They made my 85 year old grandmother go through the X-Ray, and she had no idea that a pat down was an option. Apart from the tiny print on the tiny sign, it was never mentioned to her. She hates X-Ray machines, and she was pissed that she had to go through one without being given an alternative.
 
2010-11-17 11:03:10 AM
Yeah, stay home! It's not like the airlines will die, we subsidize them anyway!
 
2010-11-17 11:03:11 AM
greatgodyoshi: Posted this in the Penn Jillette thread a few down, but it's more appropriate here:

What everyone should do is start pretending to really enjoy the pat down. I mean, really enjoy it. Just moan and rub against them, breathe heavily and gasp a couple of times. Let's see how thorough the TSA agents are after a few grotesquely fat people have done it. Sure, a few might get off on it, but I'm guessing most will be a little more tentative and if they complain enough to their superiors, it might make its way up the chain.


This, and/or fart a lot when they are bent over near your junk.
 
2010-11-17 11:03:32 AM
cryinoutloud: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

That's not real, as has been mentioned many times. More like this:


That's an image from the millimeter wave scanning machine, not the backscatter machines currently in use.

GIS (new window) for backscatter scanning. It is pretty detailed.

And the images are saved, not immediately discarded.
 
2010-11-17 11:03:33 AM
GAT_00: And there wasn't a ridiculous knee jerk reaction like the Patriot Act when that happened because someone sane was in office.


...and the perp wasn't brown.


Flargan: /Just cut back on your flights (when you can, I know sometimes you can't do this) and make sure to write a letter to the airport telling them the reason you didn't fly was the TSA.

Honest question: Do you still require security checks for private and/or charter airlines? Seems like it might be a niche market for commonly traveled routes.

=Smidge=
/I'm sure the TSA is pushing for it if they're not already in that market.
 
2010-11-17 11:03:40 AM
Dear TSA,

Please get acquainted with a grease fire, posthaste.

Thanks!

Lady Liberty
 
2010-11-17 11:03:41 AM
Flying used to be fun, but now it's 100% hassle. Hassle for the traveler, hassle for the person meeting you at your destination. There's got to be a better way to do this security crap.
 
2010-11-17 11:04:05 AM
We would have also accepted: You'll get over it.
 
2010-11-17 11:04:20 AM
Jairzinho: Carth: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

I'm against the scanners but that photo is a well known fake.

NSFW (new window)

FilmBELOH20: Um, no. I'm against the TSA, but that photoshop is photoshopped.

Ok. I stand corrected. That was a fake, but does anyone know how a scan image of a fairly hot female would look like if one reverses or adjust the coloring of it? That must be pretty close to what the fake pic showed.


It would look like a colored photoshop blob. Not recognizable, and if someone were to get off on it, I'd feel more badly for the psychiatric help they need than I would an x-ray image of a blob floating around.

The problem isn't the "see-through" stuff. The problem is that nobody knows what this is going to do to people. I fly a LOT. I've only been through one so far, but it scared the crap out of me. It will be like going to have an x-ray done two or three times a week for people like me, and even worse for air crews. When cancer and disfigured children start coming along with frequent flyer miles, there's a problem.
 
2010-11-17 11:05:06 AM
jaydawg53: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: In other news...Amtrak offers GREAT child, AAA, Veterans, Student, et. al. discounts. And they have real meals available on board. Just sayin.

I took my first train ride (not counting commuter trains) this past weekend from Washington DC to Greensboro, and it was fantastic. It only took about an hour longer than if I had driven it, it was quiet, and I got to sleep, read, get up and hang out in the dining car, etc. Much better experience than flying. And I didn't have to go through any security check at all. I used to think that taking a train sounded like a terrible idea, but now I'm looking forward to doing it again sometime.

/cool farkin story, huh bro?


That is a cool story bro, in a good way.

I farking love taking the train. Until I took it on a trip with the family to Chicago I never realized how much the drive to and from, worrying about construction, driving in crappy weather and all that bullshiat stressed me out. We were about halfway there, the wife and kid are asleep and I'm chilling out with a beer reading a book and I thought to myself, "I'd pay double for this."
 
2010-11-17 11:06:10 AM
I think this really stems from our fear of nudity. If you've ever been to a nude beach, the x ray scan is nothing. If you don't want to be seen 'naked' in the scan your options at that point are a.) recieve a pat down that is far more intrusive or b.) withdraw from the screening process. That's exactly how you are supposed to say it too. 'I wish to withdraw from the screening process'. You are allowed to do so at any point during screening. Don't argue, don't threaten. Just say it and they are required to let you leave.
 
2010-11-17 11:06:40 AM
cryinoutloud: Jairzinho: For those who still think that going thru the screening is not a biggie, check what the image of your daughter, wife, sister could look like with just a simple color tweak to a really-not-interested ("trust me") TSA male agent HERE (new window NSFW!!!)

That's not real, as has been mentioned many times. More like this:


That is a millimeter wave scanner image, the TSA does not use those.
 
2010-11-17 11:06:41 AM
phestry: I'm just curious where it will end. How far will Americans yield their liberty in exchange for safety.

Do you really want to know? If we put the Bill of Rights up to a public vote, it would probably go down in defeat.
 
2010-11-17 11:07:04 AM
Bin laden never squeezed by gonads, fondled my mothers breasts, or finger-poked my three year old niece's junk.

Just stating the fact here.
 
2010-11-17 11:07:14 AM
"Hey, sugar tits, could I get another Jack and Coke over here?"

Huh? What do you mean I've been cut off? You stupid farking bi..AH AH OW why am I hogtied with these plasitc wrist cuffs?"

Benjamin Franklin
 
2010-11-17 11:07:14 AM
itazurakko: Seriously though I do have to wonder what happens the first time some terrorist hides whatever contraband up his ass.

People keep pushing the "ass-bomber" scenario around. In reality you probably can't get enough explosive up there to do much more than blow a gaping hole in your own pelvis.
 
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