R.A.Danny: gaslight: Wait, which is it? You clearly have the right to opt out -- and they put up signs to that effect -- except that you don't?

Apparently you get to opt out of the electronic scanning, but then you'll be frisked.

Makes sense. Honestly, I'd rather get felt up every time I get on a plane than hear any more about this asshat. There's a right way and a passive agressive biatch way to protest this kind of stuff. They should fine him also for clogging up my internet news. Like a dollar per day I have to hear about him.

HAMMERTIME

the scanners are unlawful search
the pat-downs are unlawful seizure*

*giggiy

Spad31: I can have two 3-oz bottles of liquid, but not a 6-oz? Heckuva job, Janet.

If you want to take a 6 oz bottle, just mark it as medical. For example, if you want to take a nalgene bottle full of water, mark it "saline solution". There are exceptions for medical supplies.

R.A.Danny: I'm hoping the ACLU or some such pinko organization picks up on this

ACLU: destroying America (until *you* need *your* rights defended)

Let me simplify the TSA perspective on this.

1. Assume everyone is guilty.
2. There is no step 2.

Sadly, the terrorist have won (for now).

jbc: Spad31: You have rights preventing the sort of intrusion you claim is okay.

It's too bad you didn't give a flying fark about the Constitution during Bush's domestic wiretaps: "And, no, none of you are being "spied" upon. Silliness and tinfoil."

But they will still avoid tinfoil, until it becomes mainstream.

Huck Chaser: Sounds like they really need to put up signs in airports clearly indicating the "point of no return."

And have a bottle of lube dangling from the sign.

I don't know why, but... I think... I think I love them.

/So what am I so afraid of?

Debby7813:

I don't know what the big deal about the scanner is, if you have nothing to hide.

If you have nothing to hide, can we have a cameraman follow you around and record you at all times, and put up cameras in all areas of your home but the bathrooms and bedrooms? You've got nothing to hide so obviously you won't mind having your privacy ripped away from you or anything.

easy solution minus the cancer thingNSFW (new window)

the TSA has a procedure in place that blocks out the groin area on a full body scan.

Then what's the farking point of doing it in the first place?

So implied consent applies to sexual molestation in California now?

submitter fail...

So what happens after all the new precautions set in place and someone gets by security checkpoints?

If i am getting a full body scan, my flight better be 100% safe from someone on board with what the TSA "NO FLY ITEMS"

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: ACLU: destroying America (until *you* need *your* rights defended)

I told my wife this exact thing last night. As much as I detest many of the things that the ACLU does and stands for, I see them as the "one good hope" of squashing the TSA.

God Help Us All.

clearly he was just a shiat disturber. who goes to South Dakota for a vacation?

Security at Heathrow airport found a Leatherman in my hand luggage, checked it, measured the three inch blade and then gave it back to me so I could take it on board with me when I flew to Boston earlier this year, so kick getting a, really I am.

R.A.Danny: Next time someone calls me paranoid for using the term "slippery slope" I'm gonna pull their nuts off through their monitor.

"You're paranoid, this isn't a slippery slope" almost always means "I wish you hadn't identified our attempt at incrementalism."

So the 9th Cir Appeals says you can be fined for refusing all screening because otherwise a terrorist could repeatedly attempt to get through security and refuse anytime they feel they were about to be caught.

Seems like it sort of presumes guilt on behalf of the rest of us. Am I liable for the fine when I enter the airport? Get in line at security? What if I leave after the TSA rep has checked my ID but before I put my stuff on the X-ray conveyor?

1. When they grab your junk drop to the ground and curl up in a ball (puke if you can).
2. Make a 'real' police officer arrest them for assault.
3. Claim the TSA flunkie grabbed and twisted.
4. Sue
5. Proffit?

Subby needs to learn the difference between "could be" and "actually was" fined.

There is no indication that he was fined.

Nice try trollmitter

1/10

FTFA:

"I don't know if it was an actual set-up," said Aguilar. "But we are concerned that hte passenger did have his recording taking place prior to entering the checkpoint. So there is some concern that this was intentional on his part."

Well I never. How dare this citizen videotape a controversial procedure millions are expected to undergo in full view in a public place. They should hang him at dawn.

I can't wait for this case to make it to the supreme court. Until these electronic strip search machines are taken out of airports, I refuse to fly.

"We conduct our screenings under the auspices of the 4th amendment...constitution of the 4th amendment that allows us to do administrative screenings and searches."

What a scholar. Obviously a GED in law.

doglover: R.A.Danny: gaslight: Wait, which is it? You clearly have the right to opt out -- and they put up signs to that effect -- except that you don't?

Apparently you get to opt out of the electronic scanning, but then you'll be frisked.

Makes sense. Honestly, I'd rather get felt up every time I get on a plane than hear any more about this asshat. There's a right way and a passive agressive biatch way to protest this kind of stuff. They should fine him also for clogging up my internet news. Like a dollar per day I have to hear about him.

It does make complete sense. Yet then when he chooses to be frisked and then finds out what a frisking entails, his choice is between allowing a TSA agent to feel up his crotch or possibly pay a $11,000 fine. There is no "forget it, I don't want to fly anymore if this is what it requires" option. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.

Pert: Security at Heathrow airport found a Leatherman in my hand luggage, checked it, measured the three inch blade and then gave it back to me so I could take it on board with me when I flew to Boston earlier this year, so kick getting a, really I am.

I got molested by a screener at Heathrow a couple months ago, so I'm also getting a kick.

Ya know at first I thought this guy was just a huge attention whore. I starting to actually admire him for sticking up for his (our) rights. Regardless of his reasons for doing this what happened and happens about 2 million times a day is going to be examined in a court of law.

knobee: I told my wife this exact thing last night. As much as I detest many of the things that the ACLU does and stands for, I see them as the "one good hope" of squashing the TSA.

You have civil liberties or what? What specific ACLU case do you diasagree with?