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(Talking Points Memo)   Eric Cantor's office "clarifies" his promise to defend Israel against America   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 145
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2010-11-15 07:07:57 PM
toobsok: the_end_is_rear: Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.

How correct you are.
They want to hasten the coming of the Crapture.

Please tell me you're being facetious. I suck at internet sarcasm.


I am. My sense of humor is off today.
Ran a 1/2 marathon yesterday and I am suffering from lack of oxygen
 
2010-11-15 07:08:22 PM
toobsok: the_end_is_rear: Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.

How correct you are.
They want to hasten the coming of the Crapture.

Please tell me you're being facetious. I suck at internet sarcasm.


well there are some on the extreme right that believe that israel needs to exist for the rapture, and that's why they support it. however, for most it's the fact that we support the "democracy" in the middle east, a hangover from the cold war, the fact that there are millions of jews who vote in america and give to political causes (especial in the NYC area), and lingering guilt over the holocaust all combine to help form the "special relationship."
 
2010-11-15 07:08:25 PM
Edsel: Rodddxl: FlashHarry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

He will be joining former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in jail for violating the Logan Act. Beginning of story.

Yes, with the added bonus that Cantor actually offered to defend Israel against his own country's President in policy disputes.

/it's not treason when the our side does it


If not for all the apologies, excuses, justifying and pooh-poohing the Logan Act in 2007, all the farxists might have a legitimate charge. But alas, there was all the apologies, excuses, justifying and pooh-poohing the Logan Act. So sorry.
 
2010-11-15 07:09:43 PM
I say either deport him, or lock him up for treason.

You work for the American people, asshole... not the Israeli government.
 
2010-11-15 07:19:33 PM
Where are all those nitwits that derped up a storm when Obama and Pelosi had the gall to support the president's policies when they met with foreign leaders?

He'll, in both of those cases, they got state department clearance for their comments before talking.

So, there's no doubt that, in this situation, they should be calling for Cantor's head.
 
2010-11-15 07:19:57 PM
Careful, man! A roving gang of antisemitic liberalobamaramaniacs might "shoot up" your office again!
 
2010-11-15 07:21:44 PM
If Bill Clinton could be impeached over a blowjob, surely the same can be done in regards to this bumblef**k.
 
2010-11-15 07:23:17 PM
One of the documents, a KGB report to bosses in the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee, revealed that "In 1978, American Sen. Edward Kennedy requested the assistance of the KGB to establish a relationship" between the Soviet apparatus and a firm owned by former Sen. John Tunney (D.-Calif.). KGB recommended that they be permitted to do this because Tunney's firm was already connected with a KGB agent in France named David Karr. This document was found by the knowledgeable Russian journalist Yevgenia Albats and published in Moscow's Izvestia in June 1992.

Another KGB report to their bosses revealed that on March 5, 1980, John Tunney met with the KGB in Moscow on behalf of Sen. Kennedy. Tunney expressed Kennedy's opinion that "nonsense about 'the Soviet military threat' and Soviet ambitions for military expansion in the Persian Gulf . . . was being fueled by [President Jimmy] Carter, [National Security Advisor Zbigniew] Brzezinski, the Pentagon and the military industrial complex."

Kennedy offered to speak out against President Carter on Afghanistan. Shortly thereafter he made public speeches opposing President Carter on this issue. This document was found in KGB archives by Vasiliy Mitrokhin, a courageous KGB officer, who copied documents from the files and then defected to the West. He wrote about this document in a February 2002 paper on Afghanistan that he released through the Cold War International History Project of the Woodrow Wilson Center.

In May 1983, the KGB again reported to their bosses on a discussion in Moscow with former Sen. John Tunney. Kennedy had instructed Tunney, according to the KGB, to carry a message to Yuri Andropov, the General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party, expressing Kennedy's concern about the anti-Soviet activities of President Ronald Reagan.

The KGB reported "in Kennedy's opinion the opposition to Reagan remains weak. Speeches of the President's opponents are not well-coordinated and not effective enough, and Reagan has the chance to use successful counterpropaganda." Kennedy offered to "undertake some additional steps to counter the militaristic policy of Reagan and his campaign of psychological pressure on the American population." Kennedy asked for a meeting with Andropov for the purpose of "arming himself with the Soviet leader's explanations of arms control policy so he can use them later for more convincing speeches in the U.S." He also offered to help get Soviet views on the major U.S. networks and suggested inviting "Elton Rule, ABC chairman of the board, or observers Walter Cronkite or Barbara Walters to Moscow."
 
2010-11-15 07:25:52 PM
Once I had a roommate who was Jewish. It never came up in conversation, she never brought it up except for when she went home for holidays, and it had absolutely zero effect on any of the goings on at the place. She didn't observe the Sabbath or go to synagogue except on holidays.

One day, she described that although she favours the policies of the Liberal party (she elaborated that it was ALL OF THEM), she would only ever vote Conservative, because they are more supportive of Israel. Needless to say, I was a little shocked at this statement, particularly as EVERY PARTY HERE has the same stance on Israel, except that maybe, MAYBE, the Conservatives were more willing to look the other way at certain transgressions.

I pointed out that the government of Canada could advocate the extermination of Israel and it would not make a damn lick of difference. It's Canada for god's sakes. What the hell is our nation ever going to change about Israel, for good or for ill? She even acknowledged that there was no difference, other than the lip-service the parties played.

It was at the point that I decided to just check the fark out and never take this person seriously again. Actually, that happened before that, when she refused to stop calling me Christian, despite the fact I have never been in a church except for funerals, openly mock all faiths equally, and make a pope molesting children joke every damn day. On top of all of this I would repeatedly say I was offended by the label, because what other people believe should never be a descriptor of who I am.

Long story short, that was the first and only religious person I have ever been around, and it freaked me the fark out. It made me so happy that I have nothing to do with any religious group, and likely skewed my views even further against all faiths

/She once said Israel was for when "we", as in her roommates (she elaborated this), turned on her. We told her we couldn't give less of a fark about who she was or what she chose to do with her life.

//angry slashie rant over
 
2010-11-15 07:26:18 PM
Rodddxl: Edsel: Rodddxl: FlashHarry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

He will be joining former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in jail for violating the Logan Act. Beginning of story.

Yes, with the added bonus that Cantor actually offered to defend Israel against his own country's President in policy disputes.

/it's not treason when the our side does it

If not for all the apologies, excuses, justifying and pooh-poohing the Logan Act in 2007, all the farxists might have a legitimate charge. But alas, there was all the apologies, excuses, justifying and pooh-poohing the Logan Act. So sorry.


Who cares what "all the farxists" think? The point is that Cantor committed a felony violation of the Logan Act by his own definition.
 
2010-11-15 07:27:07 PM
A Fark Handle: toobsok: the_end_is_rear: Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?

well there are some on the extreme right that believe that israel needs to exist for the rapture, and that's why they support it. however, for most it's the fact that we support the "democracy" in the middle east, a hangover from the cold war, the fact that there are millions of jews who vote in america and give to political causes (especial in the NYC area), and lingering guilt over the holocaust all combine to help form the "special relationship."




hmmm interesting. No mention of AIPAC. They are either the #1 or #2 lobbying group in Washingon. They are the watchdog over congress.

Cantor, Lieberman, Schumer David Broder, et al (doesn't matter if they are right or left) are going to get the US into a war with Iran as soon as they can.
 
2010-11-15 07:30:25 PM
Captain Steroid: If Bill Clinton could be impeached over a blowjob, surely the same can be done in regards to this bumblef**k.

Sure, if they could find someone to give him a blowjob. Maybe he has an intern?
 
2010-11-15 07:31:15 PM
But but but Kennedy? Really?
 
2010-11-15 07:39:15 PM
toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?


Some people claim it's because the powers that be in America are fundie Christians that see a reformed Israel as a step towards Christ's return.

Some in Israel are more that happy to exploit this for their own gain.

And then you have the batshiat crazy theories a coworker of mine has that thinks demons that can only be defeated with love control Israel and the world and want to destroy America.
 
2010-11-15 07:41:12 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-11-15 07:41:39 PM
I couldn't chose between:
That sounds dangerously close to treason.

or

These are the people you want running our government?
 
2010-11-15 07:45:21 PM
after the clarification did he say "goooooooooooooooooooooooooooool"?


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2010-11-15 07:46:28 PM
meat0918: Some people claim it's because the powers that be in America are fundie Christians that see a reformed Israel as a step towards Christ's return.

Some in Israel Jews in America are more that happy to exploit this for their own gain.


Listen....this topic is never debated without mentioning the fundies. The fundies don't have enough power to close Planned Parenthood let alone influence US foreign policy. Its a canard.

If anybody is interested in learning more, there is this (new window)
 
2010-11-15 07:48:44 PM
whammer: One of the documents, a KGB report to bosses in the Soviet Communist Party Central Committee...[snip]

That's looks like a big copy/pasta from humanevents.com, freerepublic.com, or usasurvival.org. I can't find a link to the original article, just a bunch of blog hits. Before I throw you in the threadshiatter bin for not linking a wall'o'text, would you mind citing the original source?
 
2010-11-15 07:51:40 PM
toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?


It turned when we chose to take it up the ass re. The USS Liberty.
 
2010-11-15 07:52:17 PM
"Special relationship?" Israel is nothing but a burden.
 
2010-11-15 07:54:37 PM
Thanks for the explanations, everybody.

Nothing will happen to Cantor. Nothing at all. And some law abiding citizen will get groped and sued by the TSA while that happens.

What happened to you, USA? You used to be cool.
 
2010-11-15 07:56:15 PM
RandomAxe: The Logan Act notwithstanding, if he did and said what they're saying he did and said, it could easily be construed as espionage and treason because of his position.

Of course, selling major military weapons to a country the State Department considered a hostile enemy could certainly be considered treason, and yet the nation mostly focused on the Contra half of Iran-Contra. In Reagan's right-wing law-and-order America, Reagan would've been hanged.

Not that I expected more than what happened. Well, I didn't really expect North to testify before Congress in uniform, to be honest, but whatever.


While I totally disagree with his Interpretation of the Logan act, and am not sanguine it is Constitutional, I think this might bee worthy of a complaint to the Ethics Committee. Because, even if he didn't violate the law he certainly is guilty of creating the "appearance of impropriety" by making numerous public statements condemning those for doing what HE believes the law forbids, and then going and doing that very same thing.
 
2010-11-15 07:57:42 PM
toobsok: Thanks for the explanations, everybody.

Nothing will happen to Cantor. Nothing at all. And some law abiding citizen will get groped and sued by the TSA while that happens.

What happened to you, USA? You used to be cool.


Money and Power. That's what happened.
 
2010-11-15 08:00:19 PM
i13.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-15 08:04:58 PM
Perhaps someone else can chime in and regale us with more biting republican wit by posting a photoshopped picture of Nancy Pelosi or a charming illustration of watermelons all over the White House lawn.
 
2010-11-15 08:10:55 PM
IOKIARDI
 
2010-11-15 08:14:45 PM
smile: "Special relationship?" Israel is nothing but a burden.

It's like that girl you go out with, you've known her for some time, and at first she seems like a really nice girl, you know? Cute laugh, interesting talk, nice body, smart, the works. Then you ask her out to diner, and a movie, you don't want to push it too much because you know she's dating this other guy, some asshole, and you don't want to bring too much issues on your life. Then you realize she's single, so now it's your turn to pounce, but every time you throw the ball, she just swings it and you're left in square one. And every time you go out, she sometimes asks you to pay her share, because she ran out of money. You're fine, you're cool, you can take it.

Suddenly, out of the blue, she asks you to go with her to a trip, just the two of you. "Yes!" you think "Now it's the time!", you suddenly realize at the end of the thing, you just ended up paying the hotel room (with separate bedrooms), the dinners, the bars, and the only time you spent with her all night was when she was vomiting because she drank too much. The rest you had to hear her and some other asshole moan as they get laid.

The months go by and she starts to ask you more money and less to go out and hang out. You're suddenly starting to lose cash, and she gets pissed when you try to explain that you also have expenses "I thought you were my friend!" she yells, but then, she cries and begs you, and you do out of pity. A few years go by and you still hang out with her, your friends got away form you because of her, your life revolves around this fat-assed money grubber that she didn't even put out with you (but she did with everyone else), and she has landed you on debt, a debt that will take years to pay back. You then, slowly, stop seeing her, despite her angry phonecalls and demands that she needs your car for a job interview, that you pawn your camera because her mother needs medicine (despite the fact that last time you lent her money for the same thing, she magically was in Cabos the next weekend), and all her crocodile tears of "how you've become this stranger".

You're tired and pissed, but at the same time, you hope that she might change, as you've been nothing but nice to her, but you need to start worrying about yourself, so you get an extra job to pay the bills, leaving you little to no time to go out, as this is a job that demands a lot of time and patience (which you have forged thanks to this 'friend'). Then, out of the blue, she calls, and asks you "to hang out with her", but a combination of tiredness, anger and sleep deprivation make you say in a calm voice that you don't wanna see her anymore, that she's an ungrateful biatch that has done nothing but problems for you, and that she didn't even gave you a handjob.

She gets pissed, tells you what an asshole you are, and hangs up. And it doesn't bother you one farking bit.

... Okay, maybe it's not like the US-Israel relationship.
 
2010-11-15 08:16:11 PM
Troll hard.

Vote republican.
 
2010-11-15 08:20:16 PM
SnakeLee: I know this is a cliche'd statement, but read the book and don't watch the movie.

Aww, it's already on my netflix queue :(
 
2010-11-15 08:25:04 PM
The USA needs politicians who put the USA first, second, and third. Israel should not be a priority over our own citizens.
 
2010-11-15 08:35:42 PM
Rep Cantor: "He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other."

For Farks sake - we are spending one heck of a lot of cash on a defense that is reliant on Israel. I am not too fond of that state - I am not saying that any of the arab nations are any better, many of them are much worse. I say let them pursue their own policy at their own cost. Leave us out of it. This whole mess is the making of the British and the French, I wish we could just let the Turks back in to run the place.
 
2010-11-15 08:45:47 PM
Hey, Cantor! Get back to the Synagogue and sing, will ya?
 
2010-11-15 08:59:25 PM
I Said: Awesome. I'm so happy to see these guys gaining ground again. Maybe they can further help the economy by building pressure to start a war with Iran.

Already being tried.
 
2010-11-15 09:03:28 PM
So to reiterate:

American foreign policy is dictated by a vague prophecy in a 2000 year old book written by a man stoned out of his mind while exiled to a barren island. Nice.
 
2010-11-15 09:05:39 PM
Mentat: So to reiterate:

American foreign policy is dictated by a vague prophecy in a 2000 year old book written by a man stoned out of his mind while exiled to a barren island. Nice.


Would you like to know more?.
 
2010-11-15 09:10:27 PM
Jon Snow: I Said: Awesome. I'm so happy to see these guys gaining ground again. Maybe they can further help the economy by building pressure to start a war with Iran.

Already being tried.


Goddamnit, they're really pushing the "war economy" bullshiat after their last two stupid wars cost us over $1 trillion? The farking "war economy" was just stimulus spending. It grew the economy at the same rate as the New Deal. From the standpoint of the economy, it was all the same.
 
2010-11-15 09:12:18 PM
F*ck Israel. The only reason we support them is because the United States is a theocracy and the Bible prophesies that Jesus can't return until Israel is in full control of the Holy Land. We have no secular interest in Israel, economic or otherwise. We have no right to claim that it is humanitarian aid to defend them against aggressive neighbors when we won't lift a finger to prevent genocide in Africa. Let Israel get swept into the f*cking sea for their own hubris. They have taken American support for granted for decades, and think they can do whatever the hell they want without being held to any standard of ethics. All of this because every Democrat and Republican who has ever sat in the Oval Office since 1945 has broken the establishment clause and used the resources of the United States federal government to advocate a religious goal.
 
2010-11-15 09:15:16 PM
Tommy Moo: The only reason we support them is because the United States is a theocracy and the Bible prophesies that Jesus can't return until Israel is in full control of the Holy Land.


Tommy, read the thread.
 
2010-11-15 09:17:16 PM
Tommy Moo: F*ck Israel. The only reason we support them is because the United States is a theocracy and the Bible prophesies that Jesus can't return until Israel is in full control of the Holy Land. We have no secular interest in Israel, economic or otherwise. We have no right to claim that it is humanitarian aid to defend them against aggressive neighbors when we won't lift a finger to prevent genocide in Africa. Let Israel get swept into the f*cking sea for their own hubris. They have taken American support for granted for decades, and think they can do whatever the hell they want without being held to any standard of ethics. All of this because every Democrat and Republican who has ever sat in the Oval Office since 1945 has broken the establishment clause and used the resources of the United States federal government to advocate a religious goal.

Forgot to mention also bombing one of our naval ships. Nice friends we have there, oh did I forget they also spied on us and passed info to the Soviets. Sooner we rid ourselves of Israel, the better we will be.
 
2010-11-15 09:19:02 PM
Enough with the Is; they can defend themselves, yo.

Read that twice.

;)
 
2010-11-15 09:20:29 PM
Mentat: Goddamnit, they're really pushing the "war economy" bullshiat after their last two stupid wars cost us over $1 trillion?


But its only war with IRAN that will be good for the economy.

These people must think we're stupid or something.

I mean, they are searching for any possible rationalization to get us into war with the next enemy of Israel they want us to knock off.

AIPAC is probably telling Obama the Iranians will build statues for him and assuring him it will be a cakewalk.
 
2010-11-15 09:25:05 PM
Mentat: The farking "war economy" was just stimulus spending. It grew the economy at the same rate as the New Deal. From the standpoint of the economy, it was all the same.

No it's not, it's worse.

If we build a bridge in America, we get to use it. If we build a bridge in Iraq, we don't.
 
2010-11-15 09:34:13 PM
Yankees Team Gynecologist: Mentat: The farking "war economy" was just stimulus spending. It grew the economy at the same rate as the New Deal. From the standpoint of the economy, it was all the same.

No it's not, it's worse.

If we build a bridge in America, we get to use it. If we build a bridge in Iraq, we don't.


The war economy in the 30's was different because the money was largely being spent here to upgrade factories, build bombers, build ships, etc. It was actually creating jobs here, in America. That build-up was what set the stage for the prosperity of the 50's, not the war itself. The war nearly bankrupted us and in 1944-45 there was a very real concern that we would have to sue for peace because of the cost of the war.
 
2010-11-15 09:36:42 PM
C'mon you guys, it's the Middle East...as in "OIL!". The foreign policy of the US is ALWAYS about procuring and securing resources. Any relationship, good or bad, that the US has with any country is always toward the goal of resources.

You might be interested in what Noam Chomsky has to say about the US/Israel relationship:

Link (new window)
 
2010-11-15 09:41:25 PM
DavidVincent: A Fark Handle: toobsok: the_end_is_rear: Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?

well there are some on the extreme right that believe that israel needs to exist for the rapture, and that's why they support it. however, for most it's the fact that we support the "democracy" in the middle east, a hangover from the cold war, the fact that there are millions of jews who vote in america and give to political causes (especial in the NYC area), and lingering guilt over the holocaust all combine to help form the "special relationship."

hmmm interesting. No mention of AIPAC. They are either the #1 or #2 lobbying group in Washingon. They are the watchdog over congress.

Cantor, Lieberman, Schumer David Broder, et al (doesn't matter if they are right or left) are going to get the US into a war with Iran as soon as they can.


well to be fair to me i mentioned a lot of the players who support AIPAC. i see AIPAC as the physical manifestation of the other reasons. for example the NYC jewish community/voters may give to AIPAC (because they hate america).

/i left out the moneyed hollywood jews
//wow they really do control the world
///i kid, i kid...
 
2010-11-15 09:44:33 PM
I don't care if his political party was Democrat and not Republican. This man needs to be put in his place.
 
2010-11-15 09:49:53 PM
I think that special relationship means they sometimes use lube and may on occassion give the American tax payer a reach around. Sure they hit us ssometimes, only when their drunk though, you just don't know them like we do. They really are a great government on the inside, you just don't understand...

At least he and McConnel are open about their treason, so they got that going for them..
 
2010-11-15 10:04:03 PM
Yes lets hate our allies and stand up for the rights of the religion of peace (islam), dolts.
 
2010-11-15 10:10:56 PM
"Treason in defense of Israel is not a vice" - Eric Cantor
 
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