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(Talking Points Memo)   Eric Cantor's office "clarifies" his promise to defend Israel against America   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 145
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2010-11-15 12:11:17 PM
the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.
 
2010-11-15 12:13:39 PM
Awesome. I'm so happy to see these guys gaining ground again. Maybe they can further help the economy by building pressure to start a war with Iran.
 
2010-11-15 01:35:00 PM
the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.
 
2010-11-15 03:35:28 PM
I Said: Awesome. I'm so happy to see these guys gaining ground again. Maybe they can further help the economy by building pressure to start a war with Iran.

I'm sure he would like nothing more.
 
2010-11-15 03:43:49 PM
At the time, Ron Kampeas of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency argued that he "can't remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president."

Yeah but this is a special relationship so it's different.
 
2010-11-15 04:01:05 PM
Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.


Careful now, pimps don't appreciate backtalk.
 
2010-11-15 04:30:49 PM

Well, since its green, a little more from the Greenwald article (Greenwalds bold/emphasis, not mine)

UPDATE:   Adam Serwer recalls that in 2007, Nancy Pelosi visited Syria -- she didn't pledge to side with them against her own country, just visited them -- and Eric Cantor himself was one of the many Republicans accusing her of likely having committed a crime.  Cantor wrote:  "Several leading legal authorities have made the case that [Pelosi's] recent diplomatic overtures ran afoul of the Logan Act, which makes it a felony for any American 'without authority of the United States' to communicate with a foreign government to influence that government's behavior on any disputes with the United States."

As Serwer writes:  "Based on Cantor's own standard, he's just committed a felony."  For Cantor, the operative term distinguishing his conduct from Pelosi's is presumably "foreign government," which -- in Cantor's mind -- applies to those with whom Pelosi met but not to those with whom Cantor met.  Steve Benen correctly argues that "this is a legitimate scandal worthy of far more attention"; the fact that it won't receive any real attention tells you all you need to know.  Had Cantor done this with any foreign nation other than Israel, this would easily be the leading political controversy of the week.
 
2010-11-15 06:20:41 PM
Yup, these guys have the power now, at least in the House. Good jorb, Real Murica!
 
2010-11-15 06:20:50 PM
They had a name for this transgression back when we were a functioning republic
 
2010-11-15 06:21:26 PM
Marcus Aurelius: Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

Sounds like someone's itchin' for some accusations of anti-Semitism!
 
2010-11-15 06:23:24 PM
thematthewshowarchive.com

I know this is a cliche'd statement, but read the book and don't watch the movie.
 
2010-11-15 06:25:23 PM
Didn't Newt Gingrich undermine Clinton's negotiations with china? And the Reagan campaigns secret deals with Iran before he was elected? This seems to be a theme...
 
2010-11-15 06:26:05 PM
This really has nothing to do with Israel-US relations. It could've been Canada and it's still equally bad. He's not the representative of US foreign policy and needs to be punished accordingly for pretending he is.
 
2010-11-15 06:26:26 PM
FlashHarry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

They would love those big ears of his in jail.
He would be a favorite butter dumpster.
 
2010-11-15 06:26:34 PM
Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.


The world would be a much safer place if Israel was arbitrarily placed in Texas instead.
 
2010-11-15 06:27:29 PM
Did the teabaggers all become mutes now that their party actually has to DO SOMETHING?

/sure got quite fast after the elections...
 
2010-11-15 06:28:21 PM
Sleeping Monkey: Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

The world would be a much safer place if Israel was arbitrarily placed in Texas instead.


They should take over Palestine Texas.
 
2010-11-15 06:29:24 PM
Non-Story: Holding Republicans accountable for what they hold others accountable for is not allowed.
 
2010-11-15 06:32:23 PM
Newt and China (new window)
Reagan and Iran (new window)
 
2010-11-15 06:34:13 PM
Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none. - Some limp-wristed pinko America hater and anti-semite
 
2010-11-15 06:34:30 PM
Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.


3.bp.blogspot.com
/special indeed
 
2010-11-15 06:34:45 PM
Marcus Aurelius: Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

I'd call our relationship with Israel pretty f*cking "special" given the amount of $$ they get from us each year.
 
2010-11-15 06:34:47 PM
Sleeping Monkey: The world would be a much safer place if Israel was arbitrarily placed in Texas instead.

Nuclear carnitas? Would not buy.
 
2010-11-15 06:38:45 PM
As a Jew who supports Israel, I appreciate the sentiment. I believe Israel is an important ally to Israel, blah blah blah.

That said, I'm no G.E.D. in law, but I think the guy should, at the least, be investigated for violations of the Logan Act, and be punished accordingly. It's one thing to stand by an ally, it's another to circumvent the proper channels to do so.
 
2010-11-15 06:39:24 PM
Flash Harry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

You America Firsters are cute, and quaint, but that ain't ever gonna happen.

Now lie back and relax those butt muscles, it's time for your medicine again.
 
2010-11-15 06:40:26 PM
The 'Brew: I believe Israel is an important ally to Israel

You said Israel twice.
 
2010-11-15 06:40:31 PM
Sleeping Monkey: Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

The world would be a much safer place if Israel was arbitrarily placed in Texas instead.


We could make bank building bleachers around the edge and charging people to view the ensuing hilarity.
 
2010-11-15 06:41:12 PM
The phrase, "You made your bed, now sleep in it!" dunks its sac in the tea of foreign policy. Delicious!
 
2010-11-15 06:42:13 PM
elev8meL8r: The 'Brew: I believe Israel is an important ally to Israel

You said Israel twice.


If Israel can't even get along with Israel, they have more problems than I thought.
 
2010-11-15 06:43:09 PM
elev8meL8r: The 'Brew: I believe Israel is an important ally to Israel

You said Israel twice.


He likes rape.
 
2010-11-15 06:45:02 PM
tinyarena: Did the teabaggers all become mutes now that their party actually has to DO SOMETHING?

/sure got quite fast after the elections...


Are you kidding me? After the election where they got their way, they actually became MORE spiteful, loud and hateful here. they took 'Sore winner' to the next level.
 
2010-11-15 06:46:33 PM
Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?
 
2010-11-15 06:46:40 PM
Killer Cars: Marcus Aurelius: Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

I'd call our relationship with Israel pretty f*cking "special" given the amount of $$ they get from us each year.


I was among a group of people once and I said I would like to see MY tax dollars stay here instead of going to Israel. I was quicly labeled a holocaust denier and anti-Semite. (which I am neither)
But I guess in America we no longer have the right to criticize Israel.
Bottom line is, I don't want Iran to have nukes and I don't want Israel to have them either. To the rest of the world, the U.S. comes across as one of the biggest farking hypocrites for telling Mohamed Ima-dinner-jacket that Iran can't have any, while we damn well know that Israel has them.

Oh well. I am just a dirty Irish Mexican. What the hell do I know.
 
2010-11-15 06:46:58 PM
Sleeping Monkey:

The world would be a much safer place if Israel was arbitrarily placed in Texas instead.


Be careful what you wish for...
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2010-11-15 06:47:06 PM
Ooops, he told the truth and somebody printed it.
 
2010-11-15 06:47:19 PM
FlashHarry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

He will be joining former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in jail for violating the Logan Act. Beginning of story.
 
2010-11-15 06:48:25 PM
The Logan Act notwithstanding, if he did and said what they're saying he did and said, it could easily be construed as espionage and treason because of his position.

Of course, selling major military weapons to a country the State Department considered a hostile enemy could certainly be considered treason, and yet the nation mostly focused on the Contra half of Iran-Contra. In Reagan's right-wing law-and-order America, Reagan would've been hanged.

Not that I expected more than what happened. Well, I didn't really expect North to testify before Congress in uniform, to be honest, but whatever.
 
2010-11-15 06:48:50 PM
toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?


It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.
 
2010-11-15 06:50:23 PM
Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.


pretty much this! fark israel and our "special relationship" with them. protecting israel does not protect america's national security interests. israel can defend itself if it wants.
 
2010-11-15 06:50:26 PM
The Republicans did this in 2000, too. During the Camp David meetings in July, Bush Jr.'s campaign foreign policy advisor told Ehud Barak not to accept any peace deals from Clinton because, as he said, the Democrats were going to lose in November and the Bush administration would give Israel more favorable terms in any brokered deal with the Palestinians.

But hey - interfering with a Democratic president on foreign policy negotiations is okay, because only Republicans are Real Americans.

They never stop.
 
2010-11-15 06:52:26 PM
Rodddxl: FlashHarry: the guy committed a serious felony by violating the Logan Act. he should be in jail. end of story.

He will be joining former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in jail for violating the Logan Act. Beginning of story.


Yes, with the added bonus that Cantor actually offered to defend Israel against his own country's President in policy disputes.

/it's not treason when the our side does it
 
2010-11-15 06:54:04 PM
Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.


How correct you are.
They want to hasten the coming of the Crapture.
 
2010-11-15 06:58:15 PM
toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel?


The tribe is very, very, very powerful in the US.

The bring their media vultures down on politicians that don't play ball. Ever wonder why your editorial page is made up mostly of tribe memebers? They dont advocate for Israel every day. What they do to politicians that don't suck Israel dick is to find other issues to slam politicians on. Once the politician caves in, the pressure is eased. The people in office know this.

They can also bring economic pressure to bear on politicians by sending in money to congressional campaigns where there is American-firster candidate. Policitians are aware of this too

But it is rare for an American firster to get to congress. Their organizations start "vetting" people at the local governmental level so its very rare for a politician that is ambivalent about Israel to rise very far in politics.
Sorry to offend, just the way it is.
 
2010-11-15 06:58:16 PM
the_end_is_rear: Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.

How correct you are.
They want to hasten the coming of the Crapture.


Please tell me you're being facetious. I suck at internet sarcasm.
 
2010-11-15 06:58:49 PM
Err, he said he would oppose the President's policies in certain cases, which is certainly legitimate, not that he would "defend Israel against the US". While it is a little usurping of the President's foreign policy role to say such a thing to a foreign head of state, Congressmen have done such things before, such as the Kennedys vis-a-via Ireland.

But hey, FarKos will (mis)use any opportunity to post an Israel bashing headline.
 
2010-11-15 07:00:11 PM
Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.


Well there's that and they control they media and the banks.
 
2010-11-15 07:01:09 PM
RandomAxe: The Logan Act notwithstanding, if he did and said what they're saying he did and said, it could easily be construed as espionage and treason because of his position.

www.phillysportsblogs.com

We're talking about Is-real here. Is - real!
 
2010-11-15 07:02:42 PM
A Fark Handle: Marcus Aurelius: the security of each nation is reliant upon the other

Funny, but it seems to me that our "special relationship" with Israel is the source of half of our security problems.

pretty much this! fark israel and our "special relationship" with them. protecting israel does not protect america's national security interests. israel can defend itself if it wants.


Meanwhile everyone is trying to figure out what to cut out of the US budget. HOW ABOUT FOREIGN AID???
For fark sake Israel can take care of itself. Since the only reason we are giving them money is to appease some Jewish groups and the Evangelical fundies that think Jeebus won't come back unless we suck Israel's wang I see no point in throwing money away on this.
 
2010-11-15 07:03:16 PM
Antimatter: toobsok: Can anybody explain to this ignorant Canadian why the U.S has a 'special relationship' with Israel? Where/when did this happen?
I hear about it all the time and I just don't see why there is a 'relationship' at all...I don't think trade has anything to do with it.

is it because they are the only non muslim people in the middle east?

It's because the religious folks reasoned that without an Israel, Jesus can't come back for the second coming and thus end the world.

It's literally them trying to satisfy prophecy because they gave up on the world and life and just want it to end already.


Same kind of reason as all the anti-environmentalist crap. You see, if anything really bad happens it's because of the biblical apocalypse, and short of that we can destroy the Earth because it doesn't matter.

Oh sure they never admit it outright, but it's just that simple.
 
2010-11-15 07:06:53 PM
Souplick: Same kind of reason as all the anti-environmentalist crap. You see, if anything really bad happens it's because of the biblical apocalypse, and short of that we can destroy the Earth because it doesn't matter.

Oh sure they never admit it outright, but it's just that simple.


The problem is our political choices are either a bunch of spineless cowards/conservatives (depending on what you see their motivations as) or a bunch of sociopaths and nihilists.

Ironically, the Islamic extremists and the Christian extremists are some of the most nihilistic people in the world today and their little war with each other and against everyone else is what is bringing America down.
 
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