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2010-11-15 08:35:51 AM  
fark the post.
 
2010-11-15 08:41:29 AM  
Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.
 
2010-11-15 08:45:36 AM  

Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.


Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)
 
2010-11-15 08:52:27 AM  

RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)


On the larger scale, I gotta wonder, what are the elderly spending their money on? Has it really changed in the last two years?
 
2010-11-15 08:54:39 AM  

Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.


You are right. I'm not voting for Bush again.
 
2010-11-15 08:55:22 AM  
Gee real shame they couldn't get off their lazy incompetent asses to accomplish any of this BEFORE THE DAMNED ELECTION!
 
2010-11-15 08:58:51 AM  

LasersHurt: RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)

On the larger scale, I gotta wonder, what are the elderly spending their money on? Has it really changed in the last two years?


How about Co-pays? I would assume that liberals readily accept that those costs are increasing, no? It was one of the primary justifications for Obamacare.

But it is immaterial to my point in response to the previous poster. There is a world of difference between the Bush program and this program.

In reality I don't have a problem with this pay out to seniors. Or at least it is far less troubling than so many others ways the government spends money. I just don't care for government targeted stimulus... there aim has always sucked.
 
2010-11-15 09:02:59 AM  

RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)


You forgot to mention that with the Bush checks, we had to pay that money back even though they told us it was a refund. It was actually an advance on the following year's tax return (both times), as anyone who had to file their own 1040 can attest.
 
2010-11-15 09:03:31 AM  

RolandGunner: In reality I don't have a problem with this pay out to seniors.


Socialist!
 
2010-11-15 09:03:36 AM  
Those onions start to rot after a little while, and new ones aren't free!
 
2010-11-15 09:03:40 AM  

RolandGunner: LasersHurt: RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)

On the larger scale, I gotta wonder, what are the elderly spending their money on? Has it really changed in the last two years?

How about Co-pays? I would assume that liberals readily accept that those costs are increasing, no? It was one of the primary justifications for Obamacare.

But it is immaterial to my point in response to the previous poster. There is a world of difference between the Bush program and this program.

In reality I don't have a problem with this pay out to seniors. Or at least it is far less troubling than so many others ways the government spends money. I just don't care for government targeted stimulus... there aim has always sucked.


In what way was asking about the expenditures of the elderly an invitation to make a crack about "liberals"? That seems completely unrelated. Perhaps even distractingly partisan.

Either way you're right, there is a world of difference between the two programs.
 
2010-11-15 09:11:59 AM  
F*ck old people. Greedy, entitled assholes. The next time someone says "welfare," stop picturing a black woman with four kids by four different fathers and start picturing grandpa and grandma. SS is survival insurance, not luxury insurance. You should be getting enough money to pay taxes on your house, keep the utilities on, and buy groceries. I'm not working to send your ass on vacation in Bermuda.

But all old people do is sit around and play cards and vote, so they get more money for no reason at all, even when there is no inflation. In 2009 they got a 5.9% COLA. This was three years worth up front!

Has there ever been a more textbook example of tyranny of the majority?
 
2010-11-15 09:14:17 AM  
Otherwise known as the "Nickel Slot Stimulus Program," the check will come with a coupon for a two-for-one buffet at the casino of the geezer's choice.
 
2010-11-15 09:17:32 AM  
It comes with a little thank-you note attached thanking the recipient for not dying over the last year.
 
2010-11-15 09:17:37 AM  
LOL alwasy smart libs and dem.... give a big handout to the people who just throwed you out off office. Hey my mom says thanks for the check and good riddence.
 
2010-11-15 09:22:43 AM  

RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)


No, it was not sent to everyone.
 
2010-11-15 09:24:53 AM  
Maybe one day this biatch will actualy develop a common sense.

With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election... two years from now, no one will remember this.

What an idiot.
 
2010-11-15 09:40:45 AM  

LasersHurt: On the larger scale, I gotta wonder, what are the elderly spending their money on? Has it really changed in the last two years?


I have a feeling the casino industry lobbied for this.
 
2010-11-15 09:42:41 AM  
So let me get this straight. Half of all democrat leaning seniors just voted republican because they were pissed that they voted for Obama in '08 get rewarded by Pelosi with an extra $250?
 
2010-11-15 09:53:44 AM  
Shouldn't that money go to Goldman Sachs?

14 billion is like 4 or 5 Christmas bonuses!!!

How expensive is cat food for the elderly? Do you have any idea how expensive yacht fuel is?

We better teach the debt slaves to fight against this "helping the poor" business before it gets out of hand.

Excuse me, I have to create more money from nothing and buy the T bills that back it.

Watch more sports.
 
2010-11-15 09:57:56 AM  

Republican Black Guy: LOL alwasy smart libs and dem.... give a big handout to the people who just throwed you out off office. Hey my mom says thanks for the check and good riddence.


Dems have stockholm syndrome or something. Why bribe people that hate you and just farked you over?
 
2010-11-15 10:03:19 AM  

AcneVulgaris: Republican Black Guy: LOL alwasy smart libs and dem.... give a big handout to the people who just throwed you out off office. Hey my mom says thanks for the check and good riddence.

Dems have stockholm syndrome or something. Why bribe people that hate you and just farked you over?


because they aren't really working for the little people. they just give them lip service. just like the republicans do for their wingnut followers. they all work for the same top 2% of wage earners and large corporations.
 
2010-11-15 10:20:48 AM  

dwrash: With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election...


Yeah, like giving tax cuts to 2% of the population.
 
2010-11-15 10:21:58 AM  

Fart_Machine: dwrash: With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election...

Yeah, like giving tax cuts to 2% of the population.


who?
 
2010-11-15 10:22:33 AM  
That's great. My aged parents will turn around and spend it on medicine to keep themselves alive as they've fallen into the donut hole.
 
2010-11-15 10:25:31 AM  

Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.


Funny, I don't remember Bush being hailed as a 'hero' for handing out free money. Pretty much anything he did including drawing breath fostered a biatchfest from Democrats.
 
2010-11-15 10:25:55 AM  
Income redistribution is just a bribe given to enough people.

/greatest gen and the boomers can rot in hell
 
2010-11-15 10:26:04 AM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: dwrash: With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election...

Yeah, like giving tax cuts to 2% of the population.

who?


The current GOP priority of extending the Bush Tax Cuts for the top 2% of the population.
 
2010-11-15 10:30:09 AM  

jjorsett: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Funny, I don't remember Bush being hailed as a 'hero' for handing out free money. Pretty much anything he did including drawing breath fostered a biatchfest from Democrats.


Well, in fairness, if he'd only have stopped that one thing, I wouldn't have had a problem with anything else he was doing.
 
2010-11-15 10:30:23 AM  
It's disingenuous to say that inflation has been flat for the last 2 years. The only reason inflation has been flat is because when they figure/make up the inflation rate, they don't count the things that have surged in price, such as energy, food and health insurance/care. You know, all those luxuries we can so easily live without.

That doesn't mean I think this is a good idea. I think it's a do-nothing feel-good move that costs the taxpayers a pantload of cash and doesn't really do much to help people. In other words, business as usual. For a lot of seniors, that check won't cover one trip to the pharmacy. It's too bad we haven't had a party that "cares about the poor and middle class" with a majority in the house, super majority in the senate and in control of the white house recently. If we had, surely we would have seen some sort of systematic reform of the health care and pharmaceutical industries to help reign in prices and benefit everyone. Damn those Republicans for keeping the little man down!
 
2010-11-15 10:30:35 AM  

AcneVulgaris: Republican Black Guy: LOL alwasy smart libs and dem.... give a big handout to the people who just throwed you out off office. Hey my mom says thanks for the check and good riddence.

Dems have stockholm syndrome or something. Why bribe people that hate you and just farked you over?


Because how much money they spend is how they measure their self worth, and it almost doesn't matter who it goes to. They'll even give it to large corporations employing tons of evil rich Wall Street executives getting fat bonus checks.
 
2010-11-15 10:32:41 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: dwrash: With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election...

Yeah, like giving tax cuts to 2% of the population.

who?

The current GOP priority of extending the Bush Tax Cuts for the top 2% of the population.


I like that priority but it ain't gonna buy my vote :)
 
2010-11-15 10:33:09 AM  
How many Republicans in the Senate lost primaries? I'm trying to fathom if Reid could get cloture on any of this.
 
2010-11-15 10:34:06 AM  

mod3072: It's disingenuous to say that inflation has been flat for the last 2 years. The only reason inflation has been flat is because when they figure/make up the inflation rate, they don't count the things that have surged in price, such as energy, food and health insurance/care. You know, all those luxuries we can so easily live without.


Yeah, if only we could go to those cheap 2008 energy prices.
 
2010-11-15 10:35:57 AM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: dwrash: With the deficit looming there are more important things then trying to buy votes now after a lost election...

Yeah, like giving tax cuts to 2% of the population.

who?

The current GOP priority of extending the Bush Tax Cuts for the top 2% of the population.


Who cares? The county's economy is cripped by the unknown right now. The healthcare laws are taking years to phase in and the economic impact of it is unknown as most of the rules still have to be written. Same with the banking reform act, and most other legistation written by the democrats these last 2 years.

BTW, I see nothing wrong with rewarding success in this country... it would be awesome if it was a goal of everyone to crack the 250,000 dollar salary threshold.

Keep the same laws, tweak them as little as possible and then go for deep cuts in the government... big government can only be fueled by a growing and thriving economy.. when the economy tanks, government needs to be the first thing to be cut.
 
2010-11-15 10:39:08 AM  

mod3072: It's disingenuous to say that inflation has been flat for the last 2 years. The only reason inflation has been flat is because when they figure/make up the inflation rate, they don't count the things that have surged in price, such as energy, food and health insurance/care. You know, all those luxuries we can so easily live without.


SS increases are calculated using the Consumer Price Index which does include food, health care and transportation costs
 
2010-11-15 10:53:42 AM  

skullkrusher: mod3072: It's disingenuous to say that inflation has been flat for the last 2 years. The only reason inflation has been flat is because when they figure/make up the inflation rate, they don't count the things that have surged in price, such as energy, food and health insurance/care. You know, all those luxuries we can so easily live without.

SS increases are calculated using the Consumer Price Index which does include food, health care and transportation costs


Yep, social security is indexed by CPI, not core inflation. It's about the only place we do use it (despite the fact that years of massive shifts in, say, fuel prices will cause it to spike, but if the prices crater next year they never lower the index due to deflation.)

Also, if you look at the year to year movement, out of those 3 the only one that has been consistently up (and not spiking up and down) has been health care, which we have an entirely seperate system to cover seniors for.
 
2010-11-15 10:54:28 AM  
It's disingenuous to say that inflation has been flat for the last 2 years. The only reason inflation has been flat is because when they figure/make up the inflation rate, they don't count the things that have surged in price, such as energy, food and health insurance/care. You know, all those luxuries we can so easily live without.

So how did you think inflation was calculated before today?
 
2010-11-15 10:56:55 AM  

Grungehamster: Also, if you look at the year to year movement, out of those 3 the only one that has been consistently up (and not spiking up and down) has been health care, which we have an entirely seperate system to cover seniors for.


I don't know why the Democrats fight so hard, out of some misguided sense of decency, to reward the constituents who fight against them the hardest.

And beyond that, in the article the Obama administration has come out strongly for tax cuts for the middle class. Yes, that will probably help the economy, but can't the Democrats see that there is a larger issue at play? The very notion of tax cuts at all! Which they're naturally about to give in on.
 
2010-11-15 10:57:58 AM  
This is stupid.
 
2010-11-15 10:58:56 AM  

skullkrusher: I like that priority but it ain't gonna buy my vote :)


If you like that priority then you're not a fiscal conservative.
 
2010-11-15 11:00:57 AM  

RolandGunner: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Well, except that the Bush check was sent to everyone, and was not a compensation for denying the recipients some other benefit (in this case a COLA).

But yeah, other than all of that it is a check sent to people so it is exactly th same. (rolls eyes)


And EVERY lefty asshole laughed at the "useless, meager amount", but then Lefty Hypocrite is redundant.
 
2010-11-15 11:02:16 AM  

jjorsett: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Funny, I don't remember Bush being hailed as a 'hero' for handing out free money. Pretty much anything he did including drawing breath fostered a biatchfest from Democrats.


Yeah, but herpa derp...and derp.

/trying not to disturb the bush bash vibe
 
2010-11-15 11:03:07 AM  

bigdavediode: skullkrusher: I like that priority but it ain't gonna buy my vote :)

If you like that priority then you're not a fiscal conservative.


everything happens in a vacuum, I know.
 
2010-11-15 11:05:57 AM  

jjorsett: Crunch61: Too bad her name wasn't Bush and the amount $300... She be hailed as a hero.

Funny, I don't remember Bush being hailed as a 'hero' for handing out free money. Pretty much anything he did including drawing breath fostered a biatchfest from Democrats.


Not true. I for one appreciated the way he could ride a Segway while eating pretzels.
 
2010-11-15 11:11:38 AM  

Gridlock: Gee real shame they couldn't get off their lazy incompetent asses to accomplish any of this BEFORE THE DAMNED ELECTION!


In all fairness, the system that calculates the cost-of-living didn't report their 2011 decision until after nearly everyone had left DC to run their Fall campaigns. There was no way to propose any legislation by then, let alone sign it into law.

There WAS an attempt earlier this year however to offer the $250 to make up for the first year of no COLA, but the GOP (and Lieberman. It's always that fugger Lieberman) shot it down.

What they should be doing is offering Americans a $500 bonus. $250 for each year without a COLA.
 
2010-11-15 11:18:45 AM  

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: What they should be doing is offering Americans a $500 bonus. $250 for each year without a COLA.


CPI was negative for 2009 - only had a COL increase for one year
 
2010-11-15 11:20:15 AM  

bigdavediode: I don't know why the Democrats fight so hard, out of some misguided sense of decency, to reward the constituents who fight against them the hardest.


Because the point of politics should not be to reward supporters/court voters, but rather to govern in such a way that it best promotes the health (either by improving the personal wellbeing of its citizens or capacity of its citizens to create wealth to improve their own wellbeing) of a society? In the case of seniors, we made a deal decades ago that if members of society were willing to pay an increased amount of taxes through FICA we would provide them a social safety net to be able to retire as they age and work becomes difficult.

Now, in this case it's a little different because we're going beyond the original agreement because seniors have become adjusted to a natural increase in their yearly returns from these programs, and any attempt to keep them level as a reflection of real world conditions will be seen as a deliberate attempt to deprive them of a benefit they have earned.

Plus, you have the truthiness in the fact that many media outlets have been reporting out of control inflation every time the CPI of any sector of the economy has shown an uptick so they can lead into the stagflation/hyperinflation narrative that simply isn't there at this point. When the CPI ticks back down, they drop the story until it goes back up again to show that once again we have news that prices are on the rise. It's like the stock market - you have partisan media on both sides only showing a flashing headline when the numbers are down that day or only when they are up, leading readers to assume that this is a sustained pattern of up or down instead of a timid (and unpredictable on a daily basis) increase over the longer term. Simply put, everyone KNOWS prices of everything has spiked up dramatically since this recession started, evidence otherwise be damned.
 
2010-11-15 11:21:16 AM  
Why is repealing DADT a pet project?

Seems like it is a decision vital to national security. Why removed good soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines just because they're not straight?
 
2010-11-15 11:27:12 AM  

dwrash: Who cares?


The GOP leadership who are making a big issue out of this. Take it up with them.
 
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