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(The New York Times)   Airline passengers seek to ban the second most annoying thing about flying: children   (travel.nytimes.com) divider line 431
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2010-11-14 08:37:21 PM  
Is absolutely everyone under 18 annoying? 100%, with no exceptions? No? Then you just banned someone for who they are, not what they did.

Good job.

The 1950's would like their racism back as well. I'm betting it's there next to the ageism.
 
2010-11-14 08:41:30 PM  
Has the arguing between the parents and the fatties started yet or did I get here too soon?
 
2010-11-14 08:44:50 PM  
ZuZu: Has the arguing between the parents and the fatties started yet or did I get here too soon?

Not yet, but I'm sure someone has a story of an obese toddler who fussed the whole way AND insisted on having both armrests up while he spilled into the two neighboring seats.
 
2010-11-14 08:49:33 PM  
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2010-11-14 08:52:16 PM  
I fly an awful lot for both work and pleasure. I have no problems flying with children at all.

I would prefer asshat-free flights, but that would eliminate pretty much everybody.
 
2010-11-14 08:53:27 PM  
[obligatory Airplane! reference]
 
2010-11-14 08:57:02 PM  
Next, they need to bring back the sexy stewardesses. Also, unlimited alcohol and food that is edible. If I have to be crammed into a seat where I'm allowed to recline 2", it'd be nice to have some distractions.
 
2010-11-14 08:59:55 PM  
AirForceVet: I fly an awful lot for both work and pleasure. I have no problems flying with children at all.

I would prefer asshat-free flights, but that would eliminate pretty much everybody.


Exactly. Life isn't perfect and it's not that big a deal. Put on some headphones if you really can't put up with it for a bit. I've even sat next to a woman traveling alone with an infant for a 10 hr flight and it wasn't that big a deal.

If the parents make NO effort to calm the child, then I get annoyed, but it's not the kid's fault.

The entitled, rude douchebags, on the other hand, piss me off no end. Would it kill you to say please and thank you to the stewardess? Did you think it was going to be a spa day when you bought a ticket to share a vehicle at close quarters with a f*ckload of total strangers? Sit down and act like an adult. I've seen more tantrums from grown ups than from children on planes.
 
2010-11-14 09:01:57 PM  
I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.
 
2010-11-14 09:05:34 PM  
Wrong_Intentions: I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.

While it would be an interesting trip, in more ways than one, flight safety really needs passengers with clear minds. Remember, you are in a metal cigar, flying at high altitudes and high speed, in a very hostile environment.

Better to be straight in case of an accident, IMHO.

/Former USAF aircrew.
 
2010-11-14 09:08:18 PM  
AirForceVet: Wrong_Intentions: I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.

While it would be an interesting trip, in more ways than one, flight safety really needs passengers with clear minds. Remember, you are in a metal cigar, flying at high altitudes and high speed, in a very hostile environment.

Better to be straight in case of an accident, IMHO.

/Former USAF aircrew.


But if we're doped up, we won't give a shiat if the aircraft depressurizes or bursts into flames or spins out into the ocean.
 
2010-11-14 09:11:57 PM  
Kids? Who cares. I just want everyone to have a shower before they fly and not put on a gallon of perfume/cologne/etc.
 
2010-11-14 09:42:47 PM  
dj_bigbird: Kids? Who cares. I just want everyone to have a shower before they fly and not put on a gallon of perfume/cologne/etc.

oh, you must have been at Air France a lot
 
2010-11-14 09:52:41 PM  
The people that consider this one of the worst things about air travel are not frequent flyers.
 
2010-11-14 10:00:29 PM  
T.M.S.: The people that consider this one of the worst things about air travel are not frequent flyers.

How about elderly flyers who are clueless about flying?

Or worse, people who drag aboard way too much carry-on baggage, especially items too heavy for them to lift into the overhead storage?
 
2010-11-14 10:01:15 PM  
So we have a thread lower that complains about the TSA stripping people's rights.

Now we have a thread dedicated to stripping people's rights, and I am sure that people will cheer this idea because it doesn't have to do with people possibly, occasionally coming near your privates.

(another person coming closer to a Farkers privates is scary to most Farkers as it rarely happens.)
 
2010-11-14 10:50:36 PM  
WTF?

The article says less than 20% of passengers surveyed supported the idea of child-free flights. The headline of the article says "Passengers Push for Child-Free Flights".

WTF?
 
2010-11-14 10:53:27 PM  
All I ask is that the person who sits next to me (adult or child) doesn't have a cold that includes a runny nose. And if you do have a runny nose, think ahead and bring tissues. Don't "forget" the tissues, then sniff every 10 seconds or wipe your nose with your sleeve, then put that same sleeve on the same armrest I am sharing with you.

/boogers
 
2010-11-14 11:11:44 PM  
Wrong_Intentions: I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.

Its not a bad idea.
 
2010-11-14 11:14:53 PM  
hitchking: WTF?

The article says less than 20% of passengers surveyed supported the idea of child-free flights. The headline of the article says "Passengers Push for Child-Free Flights".

WTF?


The article was written by a fark troll?
 
2010-11-14 11:15:48 PM  
or designate "family-only" sections on planes

Ugh, I hate how people try to make pregnant women and "family" the new victims.
 
2010-11-15 12:20:22 AM  
AirForceVet: Or worse, people who drag aboard way too much carry-on baggage, especially items too heavy for them to lift into the overhead storage?

These people are by far the worst. I'd pay extra for flights where carry-ons that won't fit under/in front of your seat were eliminated.

Yes, please. Try to jam that overfilled duffel bag into the above compartment into the first bin you see filled with every imaginable item necessary for your six-week hiking trip while everyone behind you just stands there and waits. No go on, we don't mind. Jackass.
 
2010-11-15 12:24:13 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: or designate "family-only" sections on planes

Ugh, I hate how people try to make pregnant women and "family" the new victims.


I'd fly with my kids if there were a 'families only' section. As it is, I won't, they'd hate it, and so would everyone around us.

As usual, most in this thread are dehumanising the 'others' when the real problem is that the airlines ram too many people onto the flights, fill every spare inch with uncomfortable seats and try and max out every penny you pay for the privilege. I'd much rather see less seats, more space and a more expensive ticket. I may be alone in this, but you wouldn't give a shiat who was fat if you had enough space yourself.
 
2010-11-15 01:48:17 AM  
Just register your complaint with TSA. They'll take care of it.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2010-11-15 01:54:30 AM  
People with no understanding of hygiene are worse than kids. I will never forget one flight where my girl and I were sitting behind two huge people who stank to high heaven, and by the time they boarded there was no where for us to go. Christ, take a farking shower.

Only time I was really irritated by a kid was one toddler who kept kicking my seat. After a while I turned around and said "hey-hey, buddy, can you please not do that?" It stopped for a few minutes, and then started again. I turned around and said "hey there, I thought I asked you to stop kicking my seat, please?" And it stopped for a few minutes.

The third time, I politely asked the toddler's mom to please keep the child from kicking my seat. It stopped for the rest of the flight.

Control and pacify your kids, and there is no problem.

And, take a farking shower.
 
2010-11-15 03:56:01 AM  
FNG: Only time I was really irritated by a kid was one toddler who kept kicking my seat. After a while I turned around and said "hey-hey, buddy, can you please not do that?" It stopped for a few minutes, and then started again. I turned around and said "hey there, I thought I asked you to stop kicking my seat, please?" And it stopped for a few minutes.

The third time, I politely asked the toddler's mom to please keep the child from kicking my seat. It stopped for the rest of the flight.

Control and pacify your kids, and there is no problem.


Does that work in movie theatres?
 
2010-11-15 04:44:57 AM  
submitter is an asshole.

and a fat one at that
 
2010-11-15 04:50:26 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: or designate "family-only" sections on planes

Ugh, I hate how people try to make pregnant women and "family" the new victims.


As a very straight dude, I completely understand why breeder can be an insult.
 
2010-11-15 04:53:21 AM  
Wrong_Intentions: I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.

It's longer than you think!
 
2010-11-15 04:57:18 AM  
As someone who recently did a flight surrounded by 8 kids who first attempted to deafen me, then rip the pages off the book I was reading, then tear the very shirt I had on me, all this without a single parent or chaperone to biatch-slap the hell out of them, I wish, god I wish kid-free flights could be a reality.

Or at least get the airlines to have a stash of sleeping pills or something so that long-haul flights don't turn into a screeching opera concert. Something, anything to make the experience more bearable and reduce the likelihood of a passion murder.
 
2010-11-15 04:59:10 AM  
Stewardesses should carry ether or chloroform and give some to the little brats who won't shut up. Save some for the parents if they biatch about it.

How can parents be oblivious to their screaming crotchfruit when it drive the rest of us nuts?
 
2010-11-15 05:00:22 AM  
I for one would never like to sit next to a putrid obese woman (with rolls invading my seat) with a rowdy kid and an infant again. Especially not on a 6+ hour flight.
Oh, and of course your infant won't shut up. I'd be pretty upset too if someone that disgustingly smelly was holding me.
 
2010-11-15 05:03:05 AM  
What kind of moron flies without earplugs?
 
2010-11-15 05:05:14 AM  
I endured a 9-hour flight (in the middle of 30 hours of flying and bus time) in the seat in front of a kicking, screaming, hitting child, probably the 3-5 range. If any attempt was made to move the kid or get them to knock it off, I was never made aware of it. It happened basically the entire flight.

I'll happily shell out some extra cash to get away from the little runts, at least on extended trips. I'll be sure to sign up for them when they appear, shortly after the TSA takes down the 'extended pat-down' procedure and replaces it with the 'free candy and razorblades' policy.
 
2010-11-15 05:08:30 AM  
Heysomefarkingpenguinatemysammich!: Wrong_Intentions: I still think they should give us all heavy narcotic sedatives before the flight. We'll all be cool and mellow, including the imaginary hijackers that lurk on every flight.

It's longer than you think!


If you're taking the jaunt.
 
2010-11-15 05:09:43 AM  
Can't children just be put in cat carriers and shoved in the cargo hold?
 
2010-11-15 05:10:20 AM  
I like plane trips where the college girl is sitting next to the middle aged business man, and the HOURS of bizarre, awkward flirting. And the fear in the poor girl's eyes. Oh, the fear.....
 
2010-11-15 05:11:42 AM  
Joe USer: Is absolutely everyone under 18 annoying? 100%, with no exceptions?

Yes.

In fact, change it to "everyone under 25".
 
2010-11-15 05:13:58 AM  
T.M.S.: The people that consider this one of the worst things about air travel are not frequent flyers.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
2010-11-15 05:17:45 AM  
ElectronicFerret: I'll happily shell out some extra cash to get away from the little runts, at least on extended trips.

Airlines have convinced themselves that their customers are incapable of detecting differences among them and that no one will pay more for a ticket on a "better" airline. So this will never happen.

Of course, virtually none of the airlines have made any attempt to actually differentiate themselves from their competitors in any way -- even in a marketing-only way -- so one might wonder why they blame their customers for the race to the bottom. You'd think that to run an airline you'd have taken 1 or 2 strategy classes, but apparently that's not a requirement.

/ Should get Jobs to run an airline
// Would only fly three places and be 50% more expensive
/// But would come with a fancy suitcase, free headphones, and ergonomic seating
//// And people would brag about flying iAir
 
2010-11-15 05:18:27 AM  
I could be down with adults-only flights. bow chicka bow bow....
 
2010-11-15 05:20:07 AM  
I always seem to get the person in front of me who insists on putting the seat back. I don't even know why this is an option. It then becomes a fight over who can push harder. Look, if you're 5'2", you don't need to move your seat back and into my legs. If you insist, enjoy having a knee in your back for the next two hours.
 
2010-11-15 05:20:16 AM  
ModernLuddite: I like plane trips where the college girl is sitting next to the middle aged business man, and the HOURS of bizarre, awkward flirting. And the fear in the poor girl's eyes. Oh, the fear.....

Interesting strategy. A middle aged businessman is a great "worse choice" relative to a creepy hipster who likes to make unwanted, lingering advances to captive college women on airplanes.
 
2010-11-15 05:23:53 AM  
Fellows: AirForceVet: Or worse, people who drag aboard way too much carry-on baggage, especially items too heavy for them to lift into the overhead storage?

These people are by far the worst. I'd pay extra for flights where carry-ons that won't fit under/in front of your seat were eliminated.

Yes, please. Try to jam that overfilled duffel bag into the above compartment into the first bin you see filled with every imaginable item necessary for your six-week hiking trip while everyone behind you just stands there and waits. No go on, we don't mind. Jackass.


How strict are the airlines on this in the US? I recently flew London to New York (and back) and found Delta to be pretty blasé about the size of carry on baggage. It was a stark contrast to European airlines (particularly low cost airlines) where all carry on baggage has to be within strict dimensions (usually about 50cm x 40cm x 20cm) and weights. Any passenger with a bag that looks remotely bigger is asked to put it in a sizing cage and if it doesn't fit, it's €30+ to check it in the hold - no concessions or exceptions.
 
2010-11-15 05:24:25 AM  
SuperCatBarf: A middle aged businessman is a great "worse choice" relative to a creepy hipster

Amen

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2010-11-15 05:28:03 AM  
ModernLuddite: I like plane trips where the college girl is sitting next to the middle aged business man, and the HOURS of bizarre, awkward flirting. And the fear in the poor girl's eyes. Oh, the fear.....

Read that as 'fisting'.

// Think I'm getting too sleepy to post anymore.
 
2010-11-15 05:29:22 AM  
Shurikane: As someone who recently did a flight surrounded by 8 kids who first attempted to deafen me, then rip the pages off the book I was reading, then tear the very shirt I had on me, ...

Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would ever happen to me....
 
2010-11-15 05:29:23 AM  
I know the article is talking about child-free flights, or child-free / family friendly sections on a plane... But there seems to be a lot of people who think that kids should not be aboard a plane AT ALL.

If children are banned from planes - how exactly are people who have children supposed to travel?

Not everyone lives within a reasonable distance for land travel - and for some people land travel is impossible to begin with. (Living overseas, etc) Not all trips are frivolous and can be put off until the kid is older.

I say to put a soundproofed (at least somewhat) room on the plane for people to drag their kids into when they cry so that they don`t disturb anyone else. Make this an enforced rule - kid cries for so long, and you get directed into the padded room to deal with it.
People with good and well behaved kids wouldn`t have to deal with it, and those whose kids scream constantly can sit back in the little room for most of the flight. Pop a diaper change spot in there and make it easier for everyone.

I had to make a flight with my then year old son, and while he was very quiet through the flight - he did whimper and cry a couple times. I would have LOVED to have some little spot to whisk him off to until he was quiet again. (And no, I couldn`t have just waited until he was older to make the trip. My grandmother, who raised me, was on her deathbed and had never had the chance to see her first grandchild. There is no way in hell I would ignore her dying wish to avoid risking annoying someone for a few minutes while in the plane.)
 
2010-11-15 05:32:34 AM  
FTFA: "I would gladly pay extra for a child-free flight," said Ian Burford, a frequent flier from Boston who recently started a Facebook group called Airlines Should Have Kid-Free Flights. "Or at least if they made it easier when booking a flight to say 'I don't want to be seated next to a 1-year-old.' That would be helpful."

I would like this too. Not so that I can avoid sitting next to children; so that people like this guy who can't tolerate a child's presence for a few hours can subsidize my ticket.

/win-win
 
2010-11-15 05:34:23 AM  
airplanes used to have a family area. It was called the non-smoking section.
 
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