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2010-11-15 01:04:13 PM  

lohphat: TelJanin: Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

Cancer does not preclude manners or good parenting.

/yes, I've dealt with cancer
//it's not an entitlement for being an ass


Sorry, I'm unsure as to how life not being all about you has any correlation to Cancer does not preclude manners or good parenting.

Connect the dots, please...
 
2010-11-15 01:07:44 PM  

2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.


Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.
 
2010-11-15 01:09:19 PM  

TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.


Except you were just arguing for the opposite. You think that your kids should cause personal discomfort to everyone else, for the better good of you.
 
2010-11-15 01:13:54 PM  
Personally, I don't care if kids are on the plane or at the table next to me or in the same city as me or any of the other places most people think kids shouldn't be. If the parent is doing their job at making an effort to keep them quiet I turn my iPod up and get lost in my book. If, however, the kid is a little shiat and the parents don't do anything about it I'll speak up. Be a parent, not a dick.

/also hates flying with smelly people, fat people, or smelly fat people.
//joys of air travel...
 
2010-11-15 01:15:43 PM  

tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Except you were just arguing for the opposite. You think that your kids should cause personal discomfort to everyone else, for the better good of you.


This is the failure point of your argument. You assume that this was for my betterment. That this was just fun and games, or that I was ignoring my kids while they were upset. I wasn't, it sucked for everyone, and if I had a choice, I would have been in the middle of the plane so my kids could sleep, or would have taken a later quieter flight with more room for the people to move around. I had 0 options, beyond choloroforming my kids. Your assumptions are inaccurate.
 
2010-11-15 01:16:58 PM  

stonicus: Mr. Breeze: You know what the answer is? Quit being a damned pussy. You live in a society with people you don't care to interact with. Get over yourself.

I'm a pussy because I don't like screaming kids on a plane? I'm a pussy because you don't know how to properly train your children to behave in society? I'm a pussy because you're selfishness outweighs your obligation to a civilized society? Must be hittin the nail pretty close to home to draw a response like that from you...


1. The answer is yes you are a pussy for not being able to put up with a screaming kid. Excellent solutions for sensitive ears (or feelings) are items such as noise-cancelling headphones, or ear plugs. Planes are loud anyways, so you should probably protect your delicate ear drums.

2. My daughter (2.4yrs) is extremely well behaved when in public, something my wife and I are constantly complimented on. When she does start to misbehave, she is removed from the situation.

3. Selfishness can be used either way. You are a selfish person for thinking that, in a civilized society, families with children should be, at the minimum, segregated from those who :sniff: can't bear to listen to their cries :sniff:.

I'm not saying that there aren't parents who let their kids go wild. I am saying that one does not equal all. Not all kids on planes scream. Yes it is annoying. Yes I wish it would stop too.
 
2010-11-15 01:18:49 PM  

TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Except you were just arguing for the opposite. You think that your kids should cause personal discomfort to everyone else, for the better good of you.

This is the failure point of your argument. You assume that this was for my betterment. That this was just fun and games, or that I was ignoring my kids while they were upset. I wasn't, it sucked for everyone, and if I had a choice, I would have been in the middle of the plane so my kids could sleep, or would have taken a later quieter flight with more room for the people to move around. I had 0 options, beyond choloroforming my kids. Your assumptions are inaccurate.


I'm not making assumptions. I'm reading the part of your above post that goes something like this:

"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

And that is exactly the attitude most people are bothered by.
 
2010-11-15 01:24:04 PM  

Mr. Breeze: stonicus: Mr. Breeze: You know what the answer is? Quit being a damned pussy. You live in a society with people you don't care to interact with. Get over yourself.

I'm a pussy because I don't like screaming kids on a plane? I'm a pussy because you don't know how to properly train your children to behave in society? I'm a pussy because you're selfishness outweighs your obligation to a civilized society? Must be hittin the nail pretty close to home to draw a response like that from you...

1. The answer is yes you are a pussy for not being able to put up with a screaming kid. Excellent solutions for sensitive ears (or feelings) are items such as noise-cancelling headphones, or ear plugs. Planes are loud anyways, so you should probably protect your delicate ear drums.

2. My daughter (2.4yrs) is extremely well behaved when in public, something my wife and I are constantly complimented on. When she does start to misbehave, she is removed from the situation.

3. Selfishness can be used either way. You are a selfish person for thinking that, in a civilized society, families with children should be, at the minimum, segregated from those who :sniff: can't bear to listen to their cries :sniff:.

I'm not saying that there aren't parents who let their kids go wild. I am saying that one does not equal all. Not all kids on planes scream. Yes it is annoying. Yes I wish it would stop too.


You're right, how dare I not be ok with people with demon children running around like little hellions. How dare I get offended by someone else intruding into my own personal space. How dare I value my peace and sanctuary and comfort zone at a different level than you do, which apparently you don't put much value on.

So next time we're on a plane, I can can sit next to you and describe in detail how cute my cat is? And play videos of my cat at full volume of her doing cat things and shove it in your face? And you will be perfectly ok with this? Since stealing other's attention and train-of-thought is ok according to you, just part of being in society.
 
2010-11-15 01:27:09 PM  

stonicus: And yes, maybe I should have studied before the plane ride, just as you should have taken kids to see grandpa before he was on his death bed. An expectation of silence is a bit more realistic than an expectation of your child to act like a little unrestrained shiat.


An expectation of silence on a plane is "a bit more realistic" than the expectation that there could be kids on the flight?

LOL (wow, that is seriously the first time I've ever used that acronym as perfectly honest and literal description of my current state).
 
2010-11-15 01:27:49 PM  
Let's find some middle ground for all air travel:

1) Pay extra if you have an "infant in arms." Uh, yeah, if you're in the middle seat with an infant, then I'm the one suffering in the aisle seat - crying or no crying. That would at least discourage people from bringing junior without a seat. Or, give a "discount" to those fliers only for the back 3 rows of an aircraft. Buying tickets for children? Well great. T he back row is buy one, get one at 50%.

2) Pay extra if you weigh more than 250, or if you need a seat belt extender. You should be forced to buy two seats, even if the 2nd seat is "regulated" to be only 1/2 the price of the first.

3) Pay for the bags you bring on board. If you're platinum f/f - fine, yours a free. But if you're going to Disney for the weekend, then you should have to pay for the extra bags.

But we can't "force" children off any particular flight.

/have 3 kids - always buy them their own seats
//try to occupy two adjacent rows to minimize "seat kicking"
///felt more privacy violation from the big dude next to me on the way back from Dallas last week than from TSA's frisking.
 
2010-11-15 01:28:36 PM  

tbyte: TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.


I'm not making assumptions. I'm reading the part of your above post that goes something like this:


"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

And that is exactly the attitude most people are bothered by.


You expect results, and offer no options. So, please, I'm interested in options.

This is the point that I'm making to you and YOU, sometimes life just puts you in situations that are less than ideal. I know that you like to point out how it's within your rights to point out parental deficiencies, but as I've pointed out, and the fellow above have pointed out (with the funeral) sometimes life doesn't offer options, and we as parents have to roll with the punches and just give it our best effort. Sometimes, as parents, our best effort isn't 100% sufficient to rise to the task. That's when we are forced to rely on the long suffering generosity of others. And you know what, they live. They survive, they continue to thrive. An hour of two of discomfort doesn't put them into therapy or inspire law-suits. They get over it. As can you.
 
2010-11-15 01:30:37 PM  

jsobota: If, however, the kid is a little shiat and the parents don't do anything about it I'll speak up.


And that's how adults who know how to live in society deal with life. jsobota here would never look like an asshole to someone in a genuinely trying period in their life, nor let an irresponsible parent off the hook. Society is about communication.
 
2010-11-15 01:30:42 PM  
I don't mind kids.

It's asshats with too much carry on luggage.
 
2010-11-15 01:32:29 PM  

Surpheon: stonicus: And yes, maybe I should have studied before the plane ride, just as you should have taken kids to see grandpa before he was on his death bed. An expectation of silence is a bit more realistic than an expectation of your child to act like a little unrestrained shiat.

An expectation of silence on a plane is "a bit more realistic" than the expectation that there could be kids on the flight?

LOL (wow, that is seriously the first time I've ever used that acronym as perfectly honest and literal description of my current state).


Context, try it... =) dork...
 
2010-11-15 01:35:36 PM  

YOU MUST LISTEN TO ME: Surpheon: In the past, common courtesy would be to assume such a thing and offer to help accordingly.

NO. AT NO POINT IN THE HISTORY OF HUMAN FLIGHT HAS COMMON COURTESY EVER DICTATED YOU ASSUME THE PARENTS OF CHILDREN WHO ARE ACTING UP ARE GOING TO VISIT A DYING RELATIVE.


I said assume "such a thing", relating to a class of circumstance. Damn English comprehension has gone to hell.

This is the same sort of thing as assuming a single parent is widowed and not prying rather than assuming she's a slut who got knocked up by a worthless drunk. It's basic courtesy and yes, traditionally you assumed a parent of children acting up required assistance for some reason.

The selfish little secret of such courtesy is that it actually tends to be better for your own happiness. Suddenly the world isn't full of people you hate.
 
2010-11-15 01:36:37 PM  
Children are how the species is propagated.
They are a necessity to the continuation of humans.
They are going to be around and sometimes they may need to travel in airplanes.
Just because they make you uncomfortable is not a reason to restrict them.
Most likely my kid will be quiet, clean, and adorable.
But sometimes it can't be helped. They are little kids, they are unpredictable.

Don't discriminate against me or my children by not allowing us on a flight.

And... get over yourself.

If you want to charter your own private child-free plane, that's okay with me.
 
2010-11-15 01:37:14 PM  

Jument: littlebadwolf: I always seem to get the person in front of me who insists on putting the seat back. I don't even know why this is an option. It then becomes a fight over who can push harder. Look, if you're 5'2", you don't need to move your seat back and into my legs. If you insist, enjoy having a knee in your back for the next two hours.

For some of us normal-sized humans, the issue is that when the seat is upright it hurts our backs. I'm 5'10", normal, healthy. I run marathons. 99.9% of the time my back is totally fine but the instant I sit down in one of those farking seats my back starts screaming.

I put it half-way back and leave it there the entire flight. I'm sorry if that bothers you but the person in front of my has likely done the same, or put it all the way back, so even if I wanted to leave my seat vertical that wouldn't really be an option.

If you push back, I will call the stewardess over and say "I think my seat is broken, am I doing it wrong?" and magically it will go back when she presses the button.


If you run marathons, you are probably not as healthy as you think you are: http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/Study-shows-running-a-marathon-ca​uses-heart -damage-102510

Keep it to the 10-12 mile range.
 
2010-11-15 01:37:49 PM  

stonicus: Mr. Breeze: stonicus: Mr. Breeze: You know what the answer is? Quit being a damned pussy. You live in a society with people you don't care to interact with. Get over yourself.

I'm a pussy because I don't like screaming kids on a plane? I'm a pussy because you don't know how to properly train your children to behave in society? I'm a pussy because you're selfishness outweighs your obligation to a civilized society? Must be hittin the nail pretty close to home to draw a response like that from you...

1. The answer is yes you are a pussy for not being able to put up with a screaming kid. Excellent solutions for sensitive ears (or feelings) are items such as noise-cancelling headphones, or ear plugs. Planes are loud anyways, so you should probably protect your delicate ear drums.

2. My daughter (2.4yrs) is extremely well behaved when in public, something my wife and I are constantly complimented on. When she does start to misbehave, she is removed from the situation.

3. Selfishness can be used either way. You are a selfish person for thinking that, in a civilized society, families with children should be, at the minimum, segregated from those who :sniff: can't bear to listen to their cries :sniff:.

I'm not saying that there aren't parents who let their kids go wild. I am saying that one does not equal all. Not all kids on planes scream. Yes it is annoying. Yes I wish it would stop too.

You're right, how dare I not be ok with people with demon children running around like little hellions. How dare I get offended by someone else intruding into my own personal space. How dare I value my peace and sanctuary and comfort zone at a different level than you do, which apparently you don't put much value on.

So next time we're on a plane, I can can sit next to you and describe in detail how cute my cat is? And play videos of my cat at full volume of her doing cat things and shove it in your face? And you will be perfectly ok with this? Since stealing other's attention and train-of-thought is ok according to you, just part of being in society.


If a kid is climbing all over you and shoving stuff in your face, then you have a legitimate complaint. If a kid 3 rows back is whining and crying, then suck it up. You have no personal space guarantee for your ears. Don't like the person next to you, learn to ignore them. Put on your headphones, turn on your TV and don't say a word to them. Life is better that way as opposed to running around trying to make everyone else conform to your idea of "peace and sanctuary."

Also, how often do "demon spawn children" run around all over airplanes? I've never seen it and I've taken at least 2 dozen flights in the past 12 years.
 
2010-11-15 01:38:09 PM  

stonicus: Context, try it... =) dork...


Dude, you took your argument to the natural extreme and ended up in an absurd culdesac. No context helps that.
 
2010-11-15 01:38:17 PM  

Lard: skankboy: vincentfox: Fly FIRST CLASS you whiny dolts!

My friend's wife flies their 9 month old baby first class... I LOL at the thought of them walking to their seats. Probably some angry peeps on those flight.

My wife and I flew first class with out daughter to Disney World - the guy in front of us audibly said "Oh Nooo no no nooooo" when we sat down. She cried for a total of 35 minutes on the 9 hour flight... such an atrocious thing to suffer through!


Actually yes, yes it is atrocious to have to sit through that.
 
2010-11-15 01:38:47 PM  

Mr. Breeze: stonicus: Mr. Breeze: stonicus: Mr. Breeze: You know what the answer is? Quit being a damned pussy. You live in a society with people you don't care to interact with. Get over yourself.

I'm a pussy because I don't like screaming kids on a plane? I'm a pussy because you don't know how to properly train your children to behave in society? I'm a pussy because you're selfishness outweighs your obligation to a civilized society? Must be hittin the nail pretty close to home to draw a response like that from you...

1. The answer is yes you are a pussy for not being able to put up with a screaming kid. Excellent solutions for sensitive ears (or feelings) are items such as noise-cancelling headphones, or ear plugs. Planes are loud anyways, so you should probably protect your delicate ear drums.

2. My daughter (2.4yrs) is extremely well behaved when in public, something my wife and I are constantly complimented on. When she does start to misbehave, she is removed from the situation.

3. Selfishness can be used either way. You are a selfish person for thinking that, in a civilized society, families with children should be, at the minimum, segregated from those who :sniff: can't bear to listen to their cries :sniff:.

I'm not saying that there aren't parents who let their kids go wild. I am saying that one does not equal all. Not all kids on planes scream. Yes it is annoying. Yes I wish it would stop too.

You're right, how dare I not be ok with people with demon children running around like little hellions. How dare I get offended by someone else intruding into my own personal space. How dare I value my peace and sanctuary and comfort zone at a different level than you do, which apparently you don't put much value on.

So next time we're on a plane, I can can sit next to you and describe in detail how cute my cat is? And play videos of my cat at full volume of her doing cat things and shove it in your face? And you will be perfectly ok with this? Since stealing other's attention and train-of-thought is ok according to you, just part of being in society.

If a kid is climbing all over you and shoving stuff in your face, then you have a legitimate complaint. If a kid 3 rows back is whining and crying, then suck it up. You have no personal space guarantee for your ears. Don't like the person next to you, learn to ignore them. Put on your headphones, turn on your TV and don't say a word to them. Life is better that way as opposed to running around trying to make everyone else conform to your idea of "peace and sanctuary."

Also, how often do "demon spawn children" run around all over airplanes? I've never seen it and I've taken at least 2 dozen flights in the past 12 years.


Oh, and I like cats so fark you!
 
2010-11-15 01:38:51 PM  

TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.


I'm not making assumptions. I'm reading the part of your above post that goes something like this:


"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

And that is exactly the attitude most people are bothered by.

You expect results, and offer no options. So, please, I'm interested in options.

This is the point that I'm making to you and YOU, sometimes life just puts you in situations that are less than ideal. I know that you like to point out how it's within your rights to point out parental deficiencies, but as I've pointed out, and the fellow above have pointed out (with the funeral) sometimes life doesn't offer options, and we as parents have to roll with the punches and just give it our best effort. Sometimes, as parents, our best effort isn't 100% sufficient to rise to the task. That's when we are forced to rely on the long suffering generosity of others. And you know what, they live. They survive, they continue to thrive. An hour of two of discomfort doesn't put them into therapy or inspire law-suits. They get over it. As can you.


oh my... that's good stuff.
Well said.
 
2010-11-15 01:38:57 PM  
I used to fly to LA for 3 or 4 weekends a year.

Would get off work early. Put a nice pair of slacks on with a blazer or sport coat, take my not overly packed carry on to the airport. Board the flight, have a couple of drinks and enjoy the pleasant conversation with my intelligent and witty seat mate. Rent a car, check in to a nice Beverly Hills Hotel, Dan Tana's for dinner, hit a couple of clubs during the weekend, do some shopping and come back relaxed.

That's the fantasy and it can be had for $5 or $6000 for the weekend.

Instead its jeans and a polo, ear plugs and sunglasses, ignored everything, wish I could be a coma for 3 hours. Rent car, motel in Glendale, dinner at Shakey's pizza, hit a club and get back to glendale at 5 in morning cause yeah I get lost after a few drinks.

Traveling ain't what you fantasize it to be unleass you are willing to drop some serious cash.
 
2010-11-15 01:39:14 PM  

Surpheon: The only place child-free flights could concievably work is the commuter flight market (the little 12-24 passenger hops from NY to DC or something).


The flights from Sacramento to San Diego, L.A and various other cities in the morning would work as well. What arsehat brings a baby on a 7am flight?
 
2010-11-15 01:40:02 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Don't like the person next to you, learn to ignore them. Put on your headphones, turn on your TV and don't say a word to them.


Why do I have to put on my headphones? Am I not allowed to play my music at the same volume as your child's voice? Or, would that be disturbing to you?

/Trying to trim down our quotes, lengthy they be getting... =)
 
2010-11-15 01:40:37 PM  

TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.


I'm not making assumptions. I'm reading the part of your above post that goes something like this:


"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

And that is exactly the attitude most people are bothered by.

You expect results, and offer no options. So, please, I'm interested in options.

This is the point that I'm making to you and YOU, sometimes life just puts you in situations that are less than ideal. I know that you like to point out how it's within your rights to point out parental deficiencies, but as I've pointed out, and the fellow above have pointed out (with the funeral) sometimes life doesn't offer options, and we as parents have to roll with the punches and just give it our best effort. Sometimes, as parents, our best effort isn't 100% sufficient to rise to the task. That's when we are forced to rely on the long suffering generosity of others. And you know what, they live. They survive, they continue to thrive. An hour of two of discomfort doesn't put them into therapy or inspire law-suits. They get over it. As can you.


Your "give it our best effort" monologue would be more convincing if you hadn't stated "I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts." Your options were to do your job as a parent, or to stop struggling and let them "go nuts". You chose the second one. Would you make the same decision to stop struggling if they were in harms way, or any other situation where you have responsibilities as a parent? Or would you do whatever it takes to fulfill your role?
 
2010-11-15 01:42:33 PM  

Surpheon: stonicus: Context, try it... =) dork...

Dude, you took your argument to the natural extreme and ended up in an absurd culdesac. No context helps that.


"expectation of silence" is the part to keep in context, not taken literally... doesn't mean a perfectly no noise plane ride, they have engines I know... it means noone in my face interrupting my train of thought... understand now? Good, continue...
 
2010-11-15 01:42:45 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Also, how often do "demon spawn children" run around all over airplanes?


Now you mention it, I've never seen it and I take about 30 flights a year. I HAVE seen the 'fat guy sitting on the guy next to him', 'kid kicking the seat in front', 'loud drunks', 'dottering old guy blocking boarding to s-l-o-w-l-y fold his coat in the aisle', and other famous obnoxiousness, but never a free-running kid. Crying, certainly. Running around being a hellion on a plane, not yet (I have seen that at restaurants, but being a parent myself I go early, too-early-for-adults opening hour is the informal 'family hour' around here, so perhaps I have higher exposure).
 
2010-11-15 01:45:06 PM  
I'm not a fan of kids on planes but I've equally irritated and even appalled at grown ups on flights. The fat slob in flip flops who didn't shower at any time in the day or so before the flight; the obnoxious douche who needs to be the first one off no matter who he has to shove past; the self-important dildo who starts calling everyone at his office the second the plane hits the ground; People who are rude to or blithely ignore the flight attendants; people who aren't in the plane 5 minutes before they head to the bathroom (this one happens anytime I'm seated near the lavatory).
 
2010-11-15 01:45:53 PM  
All these folks who don't want to be exposed to kids should move to Saudi, where there is always a "family" section that is physically separate & often in a separate compartment, down to fast food-restaurants.

//Yer a buncha judgmental angry asshats with penises. Go reap the whirlwind.
 
2010-11-15 01:46:11 PM  

TheRedMonkey: The flights from Sacramento to San Diego, L.A and various other cities in the morning would work as well. What arsehat brings a baby on a 7am flight?


They might since many airlines are almost like buses on those hops - a flight every 90 minutes.

Why not bring a baby on a 7AM flight? A toddler would be much more questionable, but that could easily fit a baby's sleep cycle.
 
2010-11-15 01:48:13 PM  

TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.


Ironic that the original story was about you NOT withstanding a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.
 
2010-11-15 01:55:21 PM  
TelJanin: I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts... much to the chagrine of the older ladies sitting in front. I reveled in their annoyance

I'm glad that your daughter is fighting cancer. Wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

But the fact that you intentionally inflicted discomfort on someone else and took pleasure in doing so makes you look like an absolute classless boor.
 
2010-11-15 01:57:05 PM  

meanmutton: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Ironic that the original story was about you NOT withstanding a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.


Um, I thought that I had cleared it up that I was in the seats with the girls, and that everything the ladies in front of me felt, I got the priviledge to enjoy X 300%. Again, allow me to clarify, it wasn't fun for anyone. Not proud, not happy, but, that's just how dem apples were.

To address this:

Your "give it our best effort" monologue would be more convincing if you hadn't stated "I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts." Your options were to do your job as a parent, or to stop struggling and let them "go nuts". You chose the second one. Would you make the same decision to stop struggling if they were in harms way, or any other situation where you have responsibilities as a parent? Or would you do whatever it takes to fulfill your role?

So, they aren't in harm's way, they were stuck in the noisiest place in the plane. Clearly you see something I missed. Some trick that I didn't forsee, or that I might have missed. Please, what was it exactly that I should have done to meet your gold standard of parenting. And no, I'm not being facetitious, I'm honestly and sincerely interested in how I could/should/would have handled that situation better.

Thanks in advance for your positive feedback.
 
2010-11-15 01:58:01 PM  

TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: tbyte: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.


I'm not making assumptions. I'm reading the part of your above post that goes something like this:


"I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."

And that is exactly the attitude most people are bothered by.

You expect results, and offer no options. So, please, I'm interested in options.

This is the point that I'm making to you and YOU, sometimes life just puts you in situations that are less than ideal. I know that you like to point out how it's within your rights to point out parental deficiencies, but as I've pointed out, and the fellow above have pointed out (with the funeral) sometimes life doesn't offer options, and we as parents have to roll with the punches and just give it our best effort. Sometimes, as parents, our best effort isn't 100% sufficient to rise to the task. That's when we are forced to rely on the long suffering generosity of others. And you know what, they live. They survive, they continue to thrive. An hour of two of discomfort doesn't put them into therapy or inspire law-suits. They get over it. As can you.


Is there a chance you "stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts" because you felt a little sorry for the one with cancer and maybe everyone else should also feel sorry for her? Why would you expect the flight attendants to give you a bottle of water? I assume you've flown enough to know that's not the deal; you want a bottle of water, then buy some before you board.

No, it didn't harm the other passengers to put up with your girls going nuts, but it was still freaking rude to expect them to.
 
2010-11-15 02:00:18 PM  

TelJanin: meanmutton: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Ironic that the original story was about you NOT withstanding a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Um, I thought that I had cleared it up that I was in the seats with the girls, and that everything the ladies in front of me felt, I got the priviledge to enjoy X 300%. Again, allow me to clarify, it wasn't fun for anyone. Not proud, not happy, but, that's just how dem apples were.

To address this:

Your "give it our best effort" monologue would be more convincing if you hadn't stated "I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts." Your options were to do your job as a parent, or to stop struggling and let them "go nuts". You chose the second one. Would you make the same decision to stop struggling if they were in harms way, or any other situation where you have responsibilities as a parent? Or would you do whatever it takes to fulfill your role?

So, they aren't in harm's way, they were stuck in the noisiest place in the plane. Clearly you see something I missed. Some trick that I didn't forsee, or that I might have missed. Please, what was it exactly that I should have done to meet your gold standard of parenting. And no, I'm not being facetitious, I'm honestly and sincerely interested in how I could/should/would have handled that situation better.

Thanks in advance for your positive feedback.


Not this: "I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts."
 
2010-11-15 02:00:54 PM  

TelJanin: meanmutton: TelJanin: 2 grams: TelJanin: / CSB Time

Sometimes, life just isn't all about you.

/end CSB

Because purposely letting your kid act up in public is ok if they have cancer.

Sure is. I'm glad my point was not lost on you. I refer you to the above, sometimes life just isn't all about you. Sometimes, for a society to really work, you have to withstand a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Ironic that the original story was about you NOT withstanding a modicum of personal discomfort for the better good of everyone else.

Um, I thought that I had cleared it up that I was in the seats with the girls, and that everything the ladies in front of me felt, I got the priviledge to enjoy X 300%. Again, allow me to clarify, it wasn't fun for anyone. Not proud, not happy, but, that's just how dem apples were.

To address this:

Your "give it our best effort" monologue would be more convincing if you hadn't stated "I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts." Your options were to do your job as a parent, or to stop struggling and let them "go nuts". You chose the second one. Would you make the same decision to stop struggling if they were in harms way, or any other situation where you have responsibilities as a parent? Or would you do whatever it takes to fulfill your role?

So, they aren't in harm's way, they were stuck in the noisiest place in the plane. Clearly you see something I missed. Some trick that I didn't forsee, or that I might have missed. Please, what was it exactly that I should have done to meet your gold standard of parenting. And no, I'm not being facetitious, I'm honestly and sincerely interested in how I could/should/would have handled that situation better.

Thanks in advance for your positive feedback.


No, you haven't answered the question, and yes you are being factitious, possibly to "revel in the annoyance" of others in this thread. So, the question again:

Would you make the same decision to stop struggling in situations where they are in harms way, or any other situation where you have responsibilities as a parent? Or would you do whatever it takes to fulfill your role?
 
2010-11-15 02:01:48 PM  

THX 1138: TelJanin: I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts... much to the chagrine of the older ladies sitting in front. I reveled in their annoyance

I'm glad that your daughter is fighting cancer. Wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

But the fact that you intentionally inflicted discomfort on someone else and took pleasure in doing so makes you look like an absolute classless boor.


THX 1138, thanks for calling this out. Allow me to clarify. I was more reveling in the anticipation for when they would actually look back at the kids, and see my daughter. She was quite the sight, and had immediate effects on people no matter where we went. I knew that the moment these annoyed yet matriarchly women actually saw my daughter, that they would be moved to understanding and pity. I was relishing that moment, so, yeah, thanks, and hope I can clarify. But, yeah, though I try to avoid it, I am sometimes a classless boor. I repent of it though, and try to improve.
 
2010-11-15 02:05:08 PM  
TelJanin:

Ok, I can accept that clarification.
 
2010-11-15 02:05:37 PM  

TelJanin: THX 1138: TelJanin: I stopped struggling and let my girls go nuts... much to the chagrine of the older ladies sitting in front. I reveled in their annoyance

I'm glad that your daughter is fighting cancer. Wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

But the fact that you intentionally inflicted discomfort on someone else and took pleasure in doing so makes you look like an absolute classless boor.

THX 1138, thanks for calling this out. Allow me to clarify. I was more reveling in the anticipation for when they would actually look back at the kids, and see my daughter. She was quite the sight, and had immediate effects on people no matter where we went. I knew that the moment these annoyed yet matriarchly women actually saw my daughter, that they would be moved to understanding and pity. I was relishing that moment, so, yeah, thanks, and hope I can clarify. But, yeah, though I try to avoid it, I am sometimes a classless boor. I repent of it though, and try to improve.


Bald, cancerous, or not... if your daughter was being a little shiat, I most certainly would have called her on it. "Did you lose your manners when you lost your hair, snowflake?"
 
2010-11-15 02:08:12 PM  

THX 1138: TelJanin:

Ok, I can accept that clarification.


Fair enough.

Suggestions for 2 year olds on a trip: need fulfillment and distractions. Having a ready supply of food, beverages, toys, books, blankets, pillows, and anything and everything that could possibly be used to solve whatever direct problem they may have or to try to distract them from whatever you don't want them doing.
 
2010-11-15 02:12:01 PM  

gshepnyc: I'm not a fan of kids on planes but I've equally irritated and even appalled at grown ups on flights. The fat slob in flip flops who didn't shower at any time in the day or so before the flight; the obnoxious douche who needs to be the first one off no matter who he has to shove past; the self-important dildo who starts calling everyone at his office the second the plane hits the ground; People who are rude to or blithely ignore the flight attendants; people who aren't in the plane 5 minutes before they head to the bathroom (this one happens anytime I'm seated near the lavatory).


THIS! The adults on planes are generally way more annoying than the kids. I would love for people to shower before boarding, check that FARKING giant-assed bag they can barely lift over their head, and wait until they are in the terminal to make their calls. That would make flying so much more pleasant.
 
2010-11-15 02:12:26 PM  

Tamyu: If children are banned from planes - how exactly are people who have children supposed to travel?


You can ship the little bastards via Federal Express.
 
2010-11-15 02:13:00 PM  

stonicus: it means noone in my face interrupting my train of thought... understand now?


A kid a row or two back crying is now "in (your) face interrupting (your) train of thought?" That's not a train of thought, it's a light wagon of though being pulled by a distractable chihuahua.

As someone else initially brought up, I've never actually seen a kid running wild on a plane, just crying.
 
2010-11-15 02:17:44 PM  

meanmutton: THX 1138: TelJanin:

Ok, I can accept that clarification.

Fair enough.

Suggestions for 2 year olds on a trip: need fulfillment and distractions. Having a ready supply of Nyquilfood, beverages, toys, books, blankets, pillows, and anything and everything that could possibly be used to solve whatever direct problem they may have or to try to distract them from whatever you don't want them doing.


There you go parents, travel far, travel often, but above all travel quiet.
 
2010-11-15 02:18:08 PM  

meanmutton: THX 1138: TelJanin:

Ok, I can accept that clarification.

Fair enough.

Suggestions for 2 year olds on a trip: need fulfillment and distractions. Having a ready supply of food, beverages, toys, books, blankets, pillows, and anything and everything that could possibly be used to solve whatever direct problem they may have or to try to distract them from whatever you don't want them doing.


Mean... granted. We had blankies, bottle, ipod, mini-dvd player, everything, but our preparation worked against us. We loaded the 2 year old up on dimetapp to help both with the pressure changes and to encourage her to sleep. Problem was, we were in the back of the plane next to 4 bathrooms(2 on each side of the aisle). Having the 'CLICK-SLAM' of those damn doors against the back of the seats made it impossible for her to sleep, as she got more and more sleep deprived, she got more and more upset. She finally succumbed to exhaustion about 25 minutes from landing. She did, however, just doze off as things calmed down, but, fate being a fickle biatch, it was the meal time, so 5 loud, obnoxious and slamming flight attendants ensured that the youngest was not to get any sleep. We tried, planned and anticipated, however, this was just one of those times where fate was decidedly against us. However, had we been in any other location on the plane, I'm quite positive that all 4 of my children would have slept almost the entire flight home.

Bald, cancerous, or not... if your daughter was being a little shiat, I most certainly would have called her on it. "Did you lose your manners when you lost your hair, snowflake?"
ITG much, or do you really get your jollies insulting 3 year old cancer patients?
 
2010-11-15 02:24:30 PM  
My 5 yr old son has been flying since he was 6mon old. All we need is our portable DVD player, his headphones, and a couple DVD's and he doesnt make a sound on any trip except for a bathroom break. Mainly because he finds blue toilet water cool. And if he kicks the chair in front of him he knows he's in trouble the minute we land. DISCIPLINE YOUR FARKING CROTCHFRUIT!
 
2010-11-15 02:26:07 PM  

TelJanin: meanmutton: THX 1138: TelJanin:

Ok, I can accept that clarification.

Fair enough.

Suggestions for 2 year olds on a trip: need fulfillment and distractions. Having a ready supply of food, beverages, toys, books, blankets, pillows, and anything and everything that could possibly be used to solve whatever direct problem they may have or to try to distract them from whatever you don't want them doing.

Mean... granted. We had blankies, bottle, ipod, mini-dvd player, everything, but our preparation worked against us. We loaded the 2 year old up on dimetapp to help both with the pressure changes and to encourage her to sleep. Problem was, we were in the back of the plane next to 4 bathrooms(2 on each side of the aisle). Having the 'CLICK-SLAM' of those damn doors against the back of the seats made it impossible for her to sleep, as she got more and more sleep deprived, she got more and more upset. She finally succumbed to exhaustion about 25 minutes from landing. She did, however, just doze off as things calmed down, but, fate being a fickle biatch, it was the meal time, so 5 loud, obnoxious and slamming flight attendants ensured that the youngest was not to get any sleep. We tried, planned and anticipated, however, this was just one of those times where fate was decidedly against us. However, had we been in any other location on the plane, I'm quite positive that all 4 of my children would have slept almost the entire flight home.

Bald, cancerous, or not... if your daughter was being a little shiat, I most certainly would have called her on it. "Did you lose your manners when you lost your hair, snowflake?"
ITG much, or do you really get your jollies insulting 3 year old cancer patients?


Dimetapp?? Well shiat, no wonder. If you're talking about the same Dimetapp they sell in drugstores, then it's a stimulant. Being jacked up on stimulants and strapped in a plane seat must suck. When she fell asleep at the end it's probably because the Dimetapp finally wore off.
 
2010-11-15 02:26:08 PM  

AnubisMan: Having a ready supply of Nyquilfood,...

There you go parents, travel far, travel often, but above all travel quiet.


The original formula of Nyquil included pseudoephedrine, aka the main ingredient in meth. And for some people, doxylamine succinate can cause hallucinations, irritability and nervousness. Drugging your kid (at some risk of cardiorespitory failure and death in younger kids) to calm them down is not a great plan when there is a fair chance the drug is just going to hype them up.
 
2010-11-15 02:26:21 PM  

Worst.Fark handle. ever.: Speaking of carry-on restrictions, want to know how to get around that rule? Wear one of these:


A USAF-issue survival vest (found at any military surplus store).

You can still have your maximum number of carry-ons AND yet still wear one of these since it's counted as personal clothing and not a bag. Sure, you have have the added time that a TSA goon will use to rummage through every pocket (make that bastard EARN his paycheck this week, I say!), but it'll allow you quick & easy access to your iPod and all the other goodies you'll use during a flight without having to reach into a carry-on all the time, and it will allow you to have more stuff to bring on board without filling up the overhead bins.


Out of morbid curiosity, do you have a ponytail, black combat boots and a closet full of khaki cargo pants and black t-shirts?
 
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