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(Some Guy)   20 percent of suicides in the United States each year are committed by veterans - so when do you admit there might be a problem?   (ca.news.yahoo.com) divider line 218
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2010-11-12 01:02:35 AM  
Sleep it off, hippie. Our soldiers are tough, they can take it.
 
2010-11-12 01:16:45 AM  
Painless

Wish we did a better job supporting our troops.
 
2010-11-12 01:22:29 AM  
My g/f's brother is currently being treated for some major psychiatric disorders he sustained after serving. However, I suspect he was messed up before going in because their mom was a rotten coont.

She offends me and that's hard to do.
 
2010-11-12 01:26:56 AM  
gee, ya think that maybe the deployment schedule might have something to do with that?
 
2010-11-12 01:34:40 AM  
Weaver95: gee, ya think that maybe the deployment schedule might have something to do with that?

The deployment schedule is part of it, to be sure. But I imagine it's also an underfunded, understaffed VA system that wasn't equipped properly to deal with the psychological issues the war generated.

Of course, having enough psychiatrists and psychologists on staff would cost more money, since these are professional positions. And some of our politicians only like to "support the troops" up to a certain point.
 
2010-11-12 01:37:30 AM  
It's sad, many units take heavier loses after returning home. Mental health care in the military is abysmal.
 
2010-11-12 01:43:32 AM  
Redeployments up the risk, especially if the soldiers aren't given time to decompress after each one. Guys are going back into combat deployments three and four times.
 
2010-11-12 02:36:12 AM  
We should train our troops better. If they had the proper mindset, it wouldn't matter WHAT we did to them. But you need time. We'll have to recruit kids.

Link (new window)

Then, in a few generations of gene therapy, we wouldn't even need to use humans as troops. We'd have our own race of soldiers.

Link (new window)
 
2010-11-12 03:00:44 AM  
I don't see how you can get around combat veterans having mental issues. Kind of comes with the job. All we as a nation can do is provide all the support practical and only send them to kill people who really need it.
 
2010-11-12 03:11:38 AM  
Deacon Blue: I don't see how you can get around combat veterans having mental issues. Kind of comes with the job. All we as a nation can do is provide all the support practical and only send them to kill people who really need it.

Did you not see my post. We could totally make Space Marines now. I mean, the only reason we DON'T use bolt thowers already is the geneva convention which specifically bans self-propelling bullets.
 
2010-11-12 03:56:06 AM  
In January, he indicated that 20 percent of some 30,000 suicides in the United States each year are committed by veterans. That means that an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each year.

20 percent of 30K is 6000. 18 would be on the high side, I guess.

Suicides claimed the lives of a record 309 servicemembers last year, up from 267 in 2008, according to Pentagon numbers. The number of suicides between 2005 and 2009 -- 1,100

Averages. Is there any things one can't does?
 
2010-11-12 04:44:14 AM  
geez, it's like they copy-pasted a bunch of stats together and called it a story
 
2010-11-12 04:59:33 AM  
moothemagiccow: geez, it's like they copy-pasted a bunch of stats together and called it a story

Between 2005 and 2009 an average of 275 veterans (resting well in peace, I hope) suicided per year. That's way up from the 267 in 2008.

/seriously flawed story about a serious issue.
 
2010-11-12 05:03:52 AM  
We don't help either veterans or men enough. They make up the highest fraction of the homeless and the suicides. Frak, put some effort into this already.
 
2010-11-12 05:09:03 AM  
I don't know why rape penalties are so high when men suffer similarly badly from war. At least take care of the poor farkers.
 
2010-11-12 06:29:46 AM  
Not a suicide story, but a guy who went to my church was in Iraq for a few tours as an army medic. Lived through an IED destroying his vehicle and killing the other people in it, but later got cancer and died. He was around 33-35 or so. Also, not the first person in his unit to die that way. So one wonders what he was exposed to.
 
2010-11-12 06:39:49 AM  
Treating these men is expensive. We need to use that money on invisible jet fighters that the Taliban can't see. That way we can sneak up on them while they're not looking. Besides, it's not like they're of any importance to our political class.
 
2010-11-12 07:02:58 AM  
mbrother: I don't know why rape penalties are so high when men suffer similarly badly from war. At least take care of the poor farkers.

So because we don't treat one right we shouldn't treat the other right either? Only women are raped? Only men go to war? What are you getting at?

Oh. A troll. Very nice.
 
2010-11-12 07:10:39 AM  
Combat stress can really rattle your brain. Multiple tours will fry your brain. There is a limit to what we can put these men through.
 
2010-11-12 07:12:22 AM  
There was a really good piece on NPR earlier this week addressing this topic. The military is doing a better job with active soldiers, trying to work with them sooner rather than later. Apparently there was a documentary on HBO last night????
 
2010-11-12 07:12:31 AM  
Sun God: In January, he indicated that 20 percent of some 30,000 suicides in the United States each year are committed by veterans. That means that an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each year.

20 percent of 30K is 6000. 18 would be on the high side, I guess.


And later it says that 309 committed suicide in 2009, which is about 1 percent. Which is it? 18, 309 or 6000? less than 0.1 percent, 1 percent or 20 percent?

Reporters should know basic math.
 
2010-11-12 07:15:26 AM  
Didn't the Brits used to execute their shell shocked guys? Almost seems like an act of mercy.
 
2010-11-12 07:19:34 AM  
This guy's doing something about it.

The long walk home (new window)
 
2010-11-12 07:23:42 AM  
We have a problem here. I'm glad the partisan tards are showing their stupid. These soldiers are killing themselves. This isn't a partisan issue. Or anything new. Killing civilians on orders is asinine. These wars were about protecting America, not killing innocents. Could you live with yourself for doing the same? I know I couldn't. Most of these soldiers are parents.
 
2010-11-12 07:29:23 AM  
fark the mercs.
 
2010-11-12 07:32:53 AM  
CitizenjaQ: Sun God: In January, he indicated that 20 percent of some 30,000 suicides in the United States each year are committed by veterans. That means that an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each year.

20 percent of 30K is 6000. 18 would be on the high side, I guess.

And later it says that 309 committed suicide in 2009, which is about 1 percent. Which is it? 18, 309 or 6000? less than 0.1 percent, 1 percent or 20 percent?

Reporters should know basic math.


The difference is between current servicemen/women and veterans I think, though the article doesn't spell it out very well. And I believe the "18 per year" should read 18 per day (which adds up to ~6000 a year).

So:
6000 vets a year (which is ~18 a day) is 20% of total suicides.
309 active service members this year (up from 267 in 2008).

Article is terribly written however.
 
2010-11-12 07:39:04 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: I suspect he was messed up before going in because their mom was a rotten coont.

THIS.

Hard to know what kind of problem you're dealing with if you don't know what kind of problem there was going in.
 
2010-11-12 07:39:54 AM  
maddermaxx: CitizenjaQ: Sun God: In January, he indicated that 20 percent of some 30,000 suicides in the United States each year are committed by veterans. That means that an average of 18 veterans commit suicide each year.

20 percent of 30K is 6000. 18 would be on the high side, I guess.

And later it says that 309 committed suicide in 2009, which is about 1 percent. Which is it? 18, 309 or 6000? less than 0.1 percent, 1 percent or 20 percent?

Reporters should know basic math.

The difference is between current servicemen/women and veterans I think, though the article doesn't spell it out very well. And I believe the "18 per year" should read 18 per day (which adds up to ~6000 a year).

So:
6000 vets a year (which is ~18 a day) is 20% of total suicides.
309 active service members this year (up from 267 in 2008).

Article is terribly written however.


All math aside. One is one too many.
 
2010-11-12 07:46:48 AM  
This thread is making me suicidal.

Is it Internet Day at the rubber farm?
 
2010-11-12 07:51:09 AM  
X% of suicides are somebody. If these soldiers weren't that 20% someone else would be, but that would be OK, right subby?

Atillathepun: Painless

Wish we did a better job supporting our troops.


Starting with supporting them in their mission. Giving them the assets they need to win and come home, and letting them know we support their mission.

riverwalk barfly: Apparently there was a documentary on HBO last night????

This question doesn't ask anything. Maybe you meant it to be a statement. What the fark are they teaching in school these days? That's a question. So i MARKED it as a QUESTION with a QUESTION MARK.
 
2010-11-12 07:53:16 AM  
riverwalk barfly: maddermaxx: CitizenjaQ: Sun God: In January, he indicated that

...

All math aside. One is one too many.


That's a sweet platitude but in a population of the size of the military we'd expect 257 suicides per year.

That being the case; 6000 suicides per year is 2334% of normal.
 
2010-11-12 07:54:48 AM  
apeiron242: Starting with supporting them in their mission. Giving them the assets they need to win and come home, and letting them know we support their mission.

How does one adequately support their mission? What if you wished they'd never been sent on it in the first place, and want them to be safe at home with their families?
 
2010-11-12 07:59:29 AM  
doglover: Deacon Blue: I don't see how you can get around combat veterans having mental issues. Kind of comes with the job. All we as a nation can do is provide all the support practical and only send them to kill people who really need it.

Did you not see my post. We could totally make Space Marines now. I mean, the only reason we DON'T use bolt thowers already is the geneva convention which specifically bans self-propelling bullets.


Wha... wait, really? What possible application do self-propelled bullets have outside of low gravity usage anyways?
 
2010-11-12 08:00:19 AM  
There are 2 million active and reserve military personnel in the US. There are 22 million people listed as veterans in the US.

24 million / 300 million = 8%

I guess 20% would be roughly twice what it "should" be, but right after they say 20% they say 309/30k, which is 10% and thus entirely in-line with their proportion of the population. That's about as exciting as telling us that roughly a quarter of car crashes involve two female drivers-- it's entirely the expected result.

Or, more generally, I feel safer assuming that this article by a guy obviously incapable of doing arithmetic is probably wrong in its basic assertion, too.
 
2010-11-12 08:00:51 AM  
ptelg: riverwalk barfly: maddermaxx: CitizenjaQ: Sun God: In January, he indicated that

...

All math aside. One is one too many.

That's a sweet platitude but in a population of the size of the military we'd expect 257 suicides per year.

That being the case; 6000 suicides per year is 2334% of normal.


Point taken.Not mean't to be a platitude.
 
2010-11-12 08:03:20 AM  
But I bought 10 magnets for my SUV!
 
2010-11-12 08:04:43 AM  
"Starting with supporting them in their mission. Giving them the assets they need to win and come home, and letting them know we support their mission."

Their mission is ass, they are doing little but fighting unemployment on the other side of the earth at this point. It's become nothing but an exercise in M.I.C. profitability and they know it. Not to mention our media has gone to complete shiat trying to justify their bullshiat mission. Our media still talks about Osama bin laden as if he is still alive. You may not mind the media insulting our intelligence with this wild goose chase, but I do.

The pentagon is more worried about bringing these guys home in this economy than any "Al-Qaeda" threat. As if they were ever a threat in the first place. We went from a space and technological race with another super power to a dumbing down and propaganda race with 3rd world peasants.

You farken moronic pussies.
 
2010-11-12 08:07:02 AM  
apeiron242: Giving them the assets they need to win and come home

To win? The only win is not losing. Not losing is not dying. Bring 'em home.
 
2010-11-12 08:08:46 AM  
We could start by not getting our people involved in illegal wars in the first place.
Also, we could not get involved in illegal wars.
/Bears repaeating.
 
2010-11-12 08:11:48 AM  
Sorry, I am too busy whipping the nation into an uproar to advocate for the 3 teenagers who might have been gay who committed suicide. It fits into my little myopic view of the universe better.

The above is the standard democrat response. Below is the translation.

Sorry, Bush wasn't a democrat and he led us to war so I don't give a shiat about the people who are over there killing the poor, farmers to steal their oil. Derp Derp.
 
2010-11-12 08:12:06 AM  
What percentage of the total adult population are vets?

I have no doubts that they are statistically more prone to suicide; I'm just wondering exactly how much more.
 
2010-11-12 08:13:33 AM  
So, what percentage of the total population are veterans? I know it's not going to be 20%, but that is something you'd need to know to make a valid comparison.
 
2010-11-12 08:14:18 AM  
maddermaxx: So:
6000 vets a year (which is ~18 a day) is 20% of total suicides.
309 active service members this year (up from 267 in 2008).


That's what I took it to mean, too.

The crazy part about active-duty suicides, however, is that a large percentage of them are among soldiers with either no or only 1 deployment. That means that it is harder to pin the strain of multiple deployments on active-duty suicides. But I don't think anybody is keeping track of how many deployments a veteran had if they kill themselves after they get out. There are a lot more questions to answer about this issue.
 
2010-11-12 08:15:07 AM  
A friend of mine was in Iraq as a Sgt. in the Marines who he served for 6 years. he came back with severe PTSD.

He came back and all he wants it to be is normal. Instead they throw pill after pill at him.

Here he is:
part 1

part 2
 
2010-11-12 08:17:28 AM  
Johnny Savage: What percentage of the total adult population are vets?

I have no doubts that they are statistically more prone to suicide; I'm just wondering exactly how much more.


About 7%, accodring to this
 
2010-11-12 08:19:32 AM  
http://factfinder.census.gov/jsp/saff/SAFFInfo.jsp?_pageId=tp12_veterans

According to the 2000 Census 12% of American's are Veterans. There is more PTSD related to combat than other jobs, so a slight up tick would be considered normal.

Aside from that, yes we should provide better mental health care to returning troops.
 
2010-11-12 08:21:28 AM  
Meh, they are just doing their patriotic duty to save tax payer money on future health costs.
 
2010-11-12 08:21:55 AM  
MyRandomName: http://factfinder.census.gov/jsp/saff/SAFFInfo.jsp?_pageId=tp12_veterans

According to the 2000 Census 12% of American's are Veterans. There is more PTSD related to combat than other jobs, so a slight up tick would be considered normal.

Aside from that, yes we should provide better mental health care to returning troops.


And bear in mind that 'Veterans' includes a lot of people who never went to Iraq/Afghanistan. The number of people who actually saw combat over there is most likely a small percentage of veterans.
 
2010-11-12 08:28:37 AM  
23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post-Vietnam
15% pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans

Link (new window)

Used and left to die.
 
2010-11-12 08:31:54 AM  
lordaction: Sorry, I am too busy whipping the nation into an uproar to advocate for the 3 teenagers who might have been gay who committed suicide. It fits into my little myopic view of the universe better.

The above is the standard democrat response. Below is the translation.

Sorry, Bush wasn't a democrat and he led us to war so I don't give a shiat about the people who are over there killing the poor, farmers to steal their oil. Derp Derp.


0/10. Way too obvious. BTW, come down off the cross. There's no room for Jesus.

Whatever your feelings about why these wars happened, making these guys do 2, 3, or 4 tours is a sin. That's far more than we ever asked of our troops in any other war.

We are pushing our troops to their breaking points. There's not going to be a treaty signed. Their is no "winning." It's time to bring them home.
 
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