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2010-11-03 02:59:51 PM
How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?
 
2010-11-03 03:10:43 PM
Bow wow wow yippy yo yippy yay
 
2010-11-03 03:11:30 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Because it was named by partisan retards. Have a read of the bill.
 
2010-11-03 03:11:32 PM
Joe the Plumber inconsolable.
 
2010-11-03 03:12:02 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Republicans. Specifially, Christians, who are raised to think of animals as objects (tools to be used, food to be eaten). And those who put profit before morality.
 
2010-11-03 03:12:06 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

1400 breeders in the state. Most of any state. That's how.
 
2010-11-03 03:12:49 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Because it wasn't quite what it appeared to be. There are already laws in MO against most of the practices of puppy mills. Unlicensed breeders will remain to be unlicensed. It was a problem of enforcement, not law. Furthermore, the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) is a rather radical organization (they're a political group, they don't run the shelters like where I got my dog), and many don't trust them at all. There's concerns that this law could end up causing problems in the agricultural sector with non-canines as well.

Most of the law wasn't bad, but quite honestly, it wasn't really necessary and is heavy handed. Seriously, do you REALLY need to give dogs "unfettered access" to the outdoors? Really? Well, if you are a breeder of a certain size and you only let the dogs out at certain times of the day, you will be in violation of this law unless you allow the dogs to go in and out when they please.

Even the AKC was against this law.
 
2010-11-03 03:13:42 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

49% of Missourians live in Missourah.
 
2010-11-03 03:13:43 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

In one of the election threads yesterday, someone commented that theirs failed to pass because some agriculture lobbyists (I think? Something related to livestock) made a bunch of negative ads about it.
I didn't finish reading the thread to see the connection made between cows and dogs, however. Possibly a slippery slope into treating chickens better or something?
 
2010-11-03 03:14:37 PM
How does this get green lit but a story about monkeys selling programs at Texas Motor Speedway not?

/bitter subby is bitter
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2010-11-03 03:14:39 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

The same voters who sent Roy Blunt to the Senate.
 
2010-11-03 03:17:41 PM
+1 Subby


/woof!
 
2010-11-03 03:18:53 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Because outside of St. Louis and Kansas City, a sizeable majority of Missourians are knuckle-dragging morons.
 
2010-11-03 03:19:25 PM
jbc: House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

The same voters who sent Roy Blunt to the Senate.


Dude, if the same voters for Blunt voted against Prop B, it would have gotten its ass kicked just like Robin did (like we needed ANOTHER Carnahan sent to the Senate). There was obviously some overlap, so try a soft pillow, it may help with the butt hurt.
 
2010-11-03 03:20:22 PM
akula: House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Because it wasn't quite what it appeared to be. There are already laws in MO against most of the practices of puppy mills. Unlicensed breeders will remain to be unlicensed. It was a problem of enforcement, not law. Furthermore, the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) is a rather radical organization (they're a political group, they don't run the shelters like where I got my dog), and many don't trust them at all. There's concerns that this law could end up causing problems in the agricultural sector with non-canines as well.

Most of the law wasn't bad, but quite honestly, it wasn't really necessary and is heavy handed. Seriously, do you REALLY need to give dogs "unfettered access" to the outdoors? Really? Well, if you are a breeder of a certain size and you only let the dogs out at certain times of the day, you will be in violation of this law unless you allow the dogs to go in and out when they please.

Even the AKC was against this law.


Hopefully there will be less breeders because of it. More animals will get adopted instead of being bought for a pedigree.
 
2010-11-03 03:21:40 PM
This "campaign" was financed to a great degree by out of state animal rights "elements" - just as those in other states are/were. Yes Missouri has a large concentration of breeders and yes there are problems. However their hidden agenda will creep in during the next few years. This is just the first salvo - what "they" really want is to ultimately control and limit livestock operations. The State can't fund and enforce the laws currently on the books. Why will this change anything? Another instance of the sheeple being fleeced by special interests with hidden agendas. Happens all the time. That and - of course - I'm a steak-eating puppy-hater...
 
2010-11-03 03:22:35 PM
Good.

Seriously. Just say no to puppy mills. And breeding in general. There's enough dogs available for adoption just by 'accident'.
 
2010-11-03 03:22:47 PM
House of Tards [TotalFark]
How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?


Because a lot of people were concerned that this was Big Guv'mint tryin' to tell you how many animals you could have. First dogs, then cats, then cows. It's just a gateway bill to reduce the number of animals so the PETA sickos can force Vegitarian Law upon the nation.

And all the reasons list above.
 
2010-11-03 03:23:21 PM
zaier: Hopefully there will be less breeders because of it. More animals will get adopted instead of being bought for a pedigree.

I'm sure that will happen. My main concern was it seemed pretty open to unintended consequences (most propositions seem to be that way, like Prop A- it's setting up KC and STL for some serious shiat). Like I said, most of the law was just fine to me, but there was enough there to make me vote no. Given current law and how it isn't being enforced, I want to know what makes people think one more law that will get ignored is the answer.
 
2010-11-03 03:24:29 PM
Wretched: This "campaign" was financed to a great degree by out of state animal rights "elements" - just as those in other states are/were.

Really?? You're assailing Big Animal Rights??? Are you completely out of your gourd?
 
2010-11-03 03:25:24 PM
Wretched: This "campaign" was financed to a great degree by out of state animal rights "elements" - just as those in other states are/were. Yes Missouri has a large concentration of breeders and yes there are problems. However their hidden agenda will creep in during the next few years. This is just the first salvo - what "they" really want is to ultimately control and limit livestock operations. The State can't fund and enforce the laws currently on the books. Why will this change anything? Another instance of the sheeple being fleeced by special interests with hidden agendas. Happens all the time. That and - of course - I'm a steak-eating puppy-hater...

So you're saying "Missouri" citizens were not aware of the "ballot" that they were "voting" for in this "election"?
 
2010-11-03 03:26:01 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

THIS....is how...A REAL Animal Lover (new window)

aklemai.com
 
2010-11-03 03:26:42 PM
Wretched: This "campaign" was financed to a great degree by out of state animal rights "elements" - just as those in other states are/were. Yes Missouri has a large concentration of breeders and yes there are problems. However their hidden agenda will creep in during the next few years. This is just the first salvo - what "they" really want is to ultimately control and limit livestock operations. The State can't fund and enforce the laws currently on the books. Why will this change anything? Another instance of the sheeple being fleeced by special interests with hidden agendas. Happens all the time. That and - of course - I'm a steak-eating puppy-hater...

Are "they" also forcing the "good" citizens of your "State" to put quotation marks around "random" words?
 
2010-11-03 03:26:56 PM
Without puppy mills, what are these Missouri people going to burn to fuel their meth labs?
 
2010-11-03 03:28:28 PM
Another reason that it almost failed:
The Missouri Veterinary Medical Association came out against it saying that the existing laws on the books were sufficient, and the problem was that MO's enforcement agents were doing a piss poor job at actually fining and prosecuting the perpetrators. They also felt that this bill could force a lot of breeders to go underground and be harder to track/regulate.
A 2009 USDA study found the same thing.
 
2010-11-03 03:28:41 PM
Mr Rusty Shackleford: Without puppy mills, what are these Missouri people going to burn to fuel their meth labs?

From looking around, I'd say we have enough leftover campaign signs to keep the labs warm and toasty this winter.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2010-11-03 03:29:58 PM
akula: Dude, if the same voters for Blunt voted against Prop B,

Dude, the same rural voters who overwhelmingly voted for Blunt (R-JReynolds) also generally voted against Prop B. "Rural counties were first to report results and voted overwhelmingly against the measure, which most farmers viewed as anti-agriculture."
 
2010-11-03 03:30:12 PM
Rapmaster2000: So you're saying "Missouri" citizens were not aware of the "ballot" that they were "voting" for in this "election"?

I'm inferring the greater proportion of Missouri's population is in the metro areas where they are far removed from animal husbandry and livestock. But of course everyone loves puppies...
 
2010-11-03 03:30:23 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

You might be surprised how backwards the midwest really is. I mean, look at Kansas. They voted Brownback in, even after opposing the teaching of evolution in schools, and his overt anti-gay, anti-choice, and pro-Talibangelist track record.

People here are farking stupid.
 
2010-11-03 03:31:06 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Thread over in 1.
 
2010-11-03 03:32:16 PM
Mr Rusty Shackleford: Without puppy mills, what are these Missouri people going to burn to fuel their meth labs?

babies
 
2010-11-03 03:33:16 PM
Wretched: This "campaign" was financed to a great degree by out of state animal rights "elements" - just as those in other states are/were. Yes Missouri has a large concentration of breeders and yes there are problems. However their hidden agenda will creep in during the next few years. This is just the first salvo - what "they" really want is to ultimately control and limit livestock operations. The State can't fund and enforce the laws currently on the books. Why will this change anything? Another instance of the sheeple being fleeced by special interests with hidden agendas. Happens all the time. That and - of course - I'm a steak-eating puppy-hater...

You really think this is a slippery slope thing? First they came for our puppy mills and I said nothing, what is the next step? All cows must undergo 3 hours of psychotherapy before being delicious?
 
2010-11-03 03:34:26 PM
Yeah, I was super glad this passed. Mostly opposed by rural farmers worried that this is going to be more intervention into animal agriculture, but if you actually read the bill it's very explict in targeting dog breeders only.

I'm still bummed Prop A passed though, but was glad to see it was mostly no in Kansas City. I'd much rather pay my 1% income tax than see my property taxes double.
 
2010-11-03 03:34:34 PM
Yay puppies!

/Can we have a Missouri Fark party?
/plz?
 
2010-11-03 03:35:14 PM
Wretched: But of course everyone loves puppies...

Indeed.

Puppy Chow Mein with a side of Kung Pao Kitten.

That's some good vittles right there.
 
2010-11-03 03:37:16 PM
These types of laws suffer from the same limitations as Breed Bans. If we would only enforce current anti-cruelty laws already on the books, many of these so called puppy mills would be shut down.

If we enforced dangerous dog laws already on the books, there would be no reason to target specific breeds. Ban the deed not the breed or something.

As to the AKC being against-UGH. They turn a blind towards puppy mills. They care only about the money.

HSUS is also a suspect organization. If you want to support homeless animals or animals in need donate to your local shelters or the ASPCA. Do not donate to HSUS-they do very little to help actual animals.
 
2010-11-03 03:37:21 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Aint no gubbmint gonna come in my shack and tell me how tuh breed my dadgum dawg
 
2010-11-03 03:38:31 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

Rick Berman gets involved (pops), that's how. He's a lobbyist who runs over twenty "non-profit" front organizations on behalf of big business. Liquor trade organizations pay him to fight drunk driving laws. Coca-Cola and Tyson Foods pay him to spread disinformation about the links between junk food and obesity. Someone (we don't know who) is paying him to insist that mercury in fish is harmless. He rose to such power and influence by being one of the original advocates of the position that there was no link between tobacco use and cancer.

With a background like that, of course the guy hates puppies.
 
2010-11-03 03:39:07 PM
jbc: akula: Dude, if the same voters for Blunt voted against Prop B,

Dude, the same rural voters who overwhelmingly voted for Blunt (R-JReynolds) also generally voted against Prop B. "Rural counties were first to report results and voted overwhelmingly against the measure, which most farmers viewed as anti-agriculture."


Did you not look at the vote totals?

Roy Blunt- 1,051,495 votes for 54% of the total.
Robin Carnahan- 785,719 votes for 41% of the total.

There were an additional 99,703 votes for other candidates.

For Prop B-
Yes- 993,860
No- 933,840

Therefore, there is no way Prop B passes if some Blunt supporters did not also support Prop B. Period. I'm also assuming that things aren't as cut and dried as you'd like to believe, so there were likely some Carnahan supporters voting no, requiring more Blunt voters to vote yes.

I know you'd like to believe everybody who voted for Blunt is a puppy hating cruel asshole, but the only inflamed asshole here is yours from having your candidate lose.
 
2010-11-03 03:39:29 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Are "they" also forcing the "good" citizens of your "State" to put quotation marks around "random" words?

Definitely - that's how "it" all starts! Glad you recognize the menace.
 
kth
2010-11-03 03:40:24 PM
apeiron242: House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

And those who put profit before morality.


The boy and I went to Table Rock Lake (Ozarks) a few weeks ago, and pretty much everywhere in meth country there were no on Prop B signs.

I keep on trying to type it Ozards. What does that mean (other than I can't type).
 
2010-11-03 03:41:00 PM
Wretched: Rapmaster2000: So you're saying "Missouri" citizens were not aware of the "ballot" that they were "voting" for in this "election"?

I'm inferring the greater proportion of Missouri's population is in the metro areas where they are far removed from animal husbandry and livestock. But of course everyone loves puppies...


Last I checked, the liberals haven't allowed you people to marry animals yet. You can still continue farking them, though.
 
2010-11-03 03:42:11 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

49% of Missourians live in Missourah.


That's pronounced "Mis-sery"
 
2010-11-03 03:42:29 PM
According to some people I know who opposed this...

"In a couple of years we will be talking about animal id/premises id and small family farms getting swat-teamed for "agricultural crimes" completely unrelated to puppies and or puppy mills. Puppy mills were just a single issue that would tug at the heartstrings of doe-eyed ignorant city dwellers. Missouri was one of the friendliest states when it comes to subsistence agriculture, and this bill ensures that it will no longer be."

it sounds like a bunch of NWO/Big Corn is coming for mah baby kind of stuff to me.
 
2010-11-03 03:43:30 PM
I don't see the USDA connection. We don't raise puppies for milk production or human meat products, so the association is moot. I think it's more that we have to hold the people hired to prosecute those who break the law accountable.

Then again, not being a dog person, and having been in a no-kill shelter where you basically see a charnel house for old, unwanted dogs, I am relatively indifferent aside from the fact an animal like that doesn't deserve to be kept in veal calf-like conditions.

/We only want to save the cute animals as Leary/Hicks/whomever said
//Had no idea puppy mills were such a profitable enterprise considering the AKC and PETA groups would push hard against those sorts of things
 
2010-11-03 03:44:48 PM
I just came in to say great headline...

/can't believe i'm the first/only one to think so.
 
2010-11-03 03:45:05 PM
I voted against it. Pretty much because the existing laws are sufficient, and the enforcement is the problem. Like another said, unlicensed breeders will continue to be unlicensed. Now it's up to enforcement to catch, and prosecute them. Exactly what has not been happening previously.

It's unfortunate that some breeders may be forced to close. Consider, for such large scale operations (and even some smaller ones), this is essentially their job. Unable to afford the changes, they may be forced to close, which does not help them or their community.

Considering that Missouri is largely rural, and that breeders may be located within the same community in most places, this represents an issue that could devastate some areas of the state.

The law doesn't really do much, except essentially duplicate the existing laws. It will punish responsible breeders, while the illegal, actual puppy mills that earn their name will continue unabated.

And while every entity that supports the bill claims that it is not intended to be applied to farms, the wording of the bill could eventually be used as an argument in favor of further invasive regulation of farms and livestock. You can say it won't all day, that doesn't stop somebody else from saying they will.

Congratulations Missouri, you were fooled.
 
2010-11-03 03:45:16 PM
My dog approves.
49% of Missouri voters hate puppies.
The HSUS is a bunch of nutjobs worse than PETA.
The tougher restrictions are still a good idea.
Puppy mill owners should be forced to live in a 3x3 cage with a grate floor.
Legit dog breeders who are actual breeders and not dog farmers won't be hurt by this.
/Woof!
 
2010-11-03 03:45:57 PM
betsyjam:

HSUS is also a suspect organization. If you want to support homeless animals or animals in need donate to your local shelters or the ASPCA. Do not donate to HSUS-they do very little to help actual animals.


Could you please expand on that? I donate to the ASPCA every month, but was thinking about donating to the HSUS just because it seems like the ASPCA is mostly a New York thing rather than a national thing. Just curious if you had a link on info about the HSUS not being so great. Thank you.

/work has me stuck in polite mode
//insert some obligatory Fark snark here.
 
2010-11-03 03:46:43 PM
House of Tards: How the hell does an anti-puppy mill initiative nearly fail?

This, there have been commercials running for weeks that have basically said: "if you don't vote 'yes' then you hate puppies"

/my guess is that in rural areas it was billed as "the gubment wants t'a steal yer cows"
 
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