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(Some Psycopath)   Feel like blaming the victim? Scientists show it's perfectly justified   (psychologytoday.com) divider line 115
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2010-11-03 11:38:06 AM
As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.

Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby.
 
2010-11-03 11:44:08 AM
impaler: As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.


Well that's a generally accurate layman's description of psychopathy, so...
 
2010-11-03 11:46:54 AM
Wait, is this not about rape?
 
2010-11-03 12:25:40 PM
impaler: As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.

Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby.


True... But is it any surprise that those who go around with 'victim here' in their body language are most frequently targeted..? It seems like only an idiot psycho would choose those who DON'T.

/Unless they really like a challenge, or something.
 
2010-11-03 02:16:32 PM
kingoomieiii: Wait, is this not about rape?

This isn't the Lifetime channel.
 
2010-11-03 02:18:02 PM
I carry mace in my purse. You should definately carry at least that much...
 
2010-11-03 02:18:31 PM
The headline sucked.
 
2010-11-03 02:20:13 PM
So psychos are hyper-aware of body language? Does this mean people with aspergers are the safest people to be around?
 
2010-11-03 02:21:14 PM
Conservative = psychopath.
 
2010-11-03 02:23:21 PM
amaranthe: impaler: As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.

Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby.

True... But is it any surprise that those who go around with 'victim here' in their body language are most frequently targeted..? It seems like only an idiot psycho would choose those who DON'T.

/Unless they really like a challenge, or something.


Lions don't choose the biggest and strongest antelope. Wolves don't choose the most badass bison. Human predators don't choose the self confident and capable to prey upon. they choose the weak and submissive.

Is it the fault of the weak and submissive? No. But it's a law of nature- the weaker/more submissive you are, the more others will single you out and take advantage of you, whether we're talking mugging, rape, domestic violence, or just purchase negotiations for a new car. If you don't want to be victimized, be a harder target. Don't make it easy. If you cannot or will not do so, you will continue to get preyed upon by others. It's a shiat state of affairs, but it is the way of the world.
 
2010-11-03 02:24:39 PM
Attributing cause for stimulus =/= blame.
 
2010-11-03 02:27:04 PM
Subby confesses to being a psychopath.
 
2010-11-03 02:28:05 PM
Lisa Simpson said it was smell. That lying little biatch!
 
2010-11-03 02:28:33 PM
Political spin within 10...bad troll..bad!

/Probably still upset with local election results.
//P.S. mid-terms = pointless
 
2010-11-03 02:29:48 PM
"Queen Amidala is young and naive. You will find controlling her will not be difficult."

been that way for a long time, and from far far away too
 
2010-11-03 02:30:18 PM
Psychopaths, or sociopaths as some prefer to call them...

I stopped right there because these two things are different.
 
2010-11-03 02:31:05 PM
The author writes like an ideal victim in the eyes of a grammar nazi.
 
2010-11-03 02:33:17 PM
evilsearat: Psychopaths, or sociopaths as some prefer to call them...

I stopped right there because these two things are different.


Not in the DSM IV.
 
2010-11-03 02:35:19 PM
lo quilty: I carry mace in my purse. You should definately carry at least that much...

I rarely feel the need to bake on the run. If anything I'd go for cinnamon, that's the money spice.
 
2010-11-03 02:35:25 PM
Sounds like someone is jealous of his friend's game.
 
2010-11-03 02:37:17 PM
akula [TotalFark]
Lions don't choose the biggest and strongest antelope. Wolves don't choose the most badass bison. Human predators don't choose the self confident and capable to prey upon. they choose the weak and submissive.

Is it the fault of the weak and submissive? No. But it's a law of nature- the weaker/more submissive you are, the more others will single you out and take advantage of you, whether we're talking mugging, rape, domestic violence, or just purchase negotiations for a new car. If you don't want to be victimized, be a harder target. Don't make it easy. If you cannot or will not do so, you will continue to get preyed upon by others. It's a shiat state of affairs, but it is the way of the world.


t2.gstatic.com
I AGREE

/Wait....so then, in theory, aren't we ALL psychopaths?
//Think about it...
 
2010-11-03 02:37:46 PM
Obvious study is obvious

People make decisions based on the body language of others, with neither being consciously aware of the fact?

Wow. Colour me flabbergasted.

It ain't only the psychopaths. Everyone does it.

If this is news to the psychologists, then they deserve the scorn/derision heaped upon them by real scientists.
 
2010-11-03 02:38:30 PM
you have pee hands: evilsearat: Psychopaths, or sociopaths as some prefer to call them...

I stopped right there because these two things are different.

Not in the DSM IV.


You have educated me, sir!
 
2010-11-03 02:39:02 PM
So, if I can spot a con artist a mile away, am I a con artist?
 
2010-11-03 02:39:42 PM
evilsearat: Psychopaths, or sociopaths as some prefer to call them...

I stopped right there because these two things are different.


Psychopath became sociopath became anti-social personality disorder (because we wouldn't want to offend all of our little potential serial killer snowflakes....)
 
2010-11-03 02:39:52 PM
i'm a cognitive psychologist (i.e., research not therapy), and i learned a long time ago not to take seriously what is written in psychology today. it's one of the worst psychology periodicals i have ever read. american psychologist is much better, but still readable and interesting. and if you really want a good measure of the most interesting and important stuff going on in psychology, i've always found "psychological science" to be pretty spot-on.

this article? crap. crap crap crap crap crap. it's a sound-bite, faux-news style report about something that some people put years of work into. also, it's not really about how psychopaths choose their victims. it's about whether psychopaths can select an individual who was previously mugged. The data are only about what the data are about -- that is, the task only assessed whether psychopaths and age-matched controls could select someone who had previously been victimized.

Also, who the hell is this blogger to not even cite the study itself? Terrible journalism here. Up yours, psychology today.
 
2010-11-03 02:39:59 PM
Pardon Me Sultan: Obvious study is obvious

People make decisions based on the body language of others, with neither being consciously aware of the fact?

Wow. Colour me flabbergasted.

It ain't only the psychopaths. Everyone does it.

If this is news to the psychologists, then they deserve the scorn/derision heaped upon them by real scientists.


I guess you'd better go tell them that if something is "obvious", then they aren't allowed to study it.
 
2010-11-03 02:41:36 PM
Penman: Pardon Me Sultan: Obvious study is obvious

People make decisions based on the body language of others, with neither being consciously aware of the fact?

Wow. Colour me flabbergasted.

It ain't only the psychopaths. Everyone does it.

If this is news to the psychologists, then they deserve the scorn/derision heaped upon them by real scientists.

I guess you'd better go tell them that if something is "obvious", then they aren't allowed to study it.


Well, they can study it all they like; their use of their funding is up to them. But if they figure out that the sky is blue and show up all proud of having figured out something obvious to pretty much every sentient being on the planet, then they should fully expect our mockery.
 
2010-11-03 02:42:04 PM
impaler: As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.

Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby.


You sound weak and/or fat.
 
2010-11-03 02:43:01 PM
Bob Hare (new window) is the ultimate authority on the subject. A book he co-wrote, Snakes in Suits, is a must-read for anyone working in the corporate (or government) world.
 
2010-11-03 02:43:12 PM
Pardon Me Sultan
People make decisions based on the body language of others, with neither being consciously aware of the fact?

Wow. Colour me flabbergasted.

It ain't only the psychopaths. Everyone does it.


Good...I'm not the only one that thought this of the study. Guess I'm not crazy, after all. I'm just a pyschopath, trying to benefit from the misfortune of other psychopaths.

/Shame on fake-scientists.
//A thought-provoking topic nonetheless.
 
2010-11-03 02:43:43 PM
impaler: Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby

No, but it does give a good scientific basis for "fake it till you make it" self-defense. Whether you are confident or not, if you appear confident, your life will generally be better. Not simply because you can avoid human predators, but because anyone who you interact with will generally respond positively to your confidence.

Unless you come off like a douche, I mean.

Confident behavior is a necessary, although insufficient, precondition for having good reasons to be confident.
 
2010-11-03 02:46:07 PM
akula: Is it the fault of the weak and submissive? No. But it's a law of nature- the weaker/more submissive you are, the more others will single you out and take advantage of you, whether we're talking mugging, rape, domestic violence, or just purchase negotiations for a new car. If you don't want to be victimized, be a harder target. Don't make it easy. If you cannot or will not do so, you will continue to get preyed upon by others. It's a shiat state of affairs, but it is the way of the world.

It's why I advocate altruism -- herds that abandon their own are more likely to get targeted overall. Many animals (like bison) developed herd defenses with the strong protecting the weak, and they're very successful. Of course, bleeding heart terms like "common decency" are huge troll-worthy taboos on Fark where anything but cold-hearted self-preservation is laughable, but people don't get mugged on the Internet.
 
2010-11-03 02:46:44 PM
Feeling insecure? Well you should because you're about to be raped.
 
2010-11-03 02:48:49 PM
lo quilty: I carry mace in my purse. You should definately carry at least that much...

maskworld.scene7.com
 
2010-11-03 02:48:52 PM
dragonchild: Many animals (like bison) developed herd defenses with the strong protecting the weak, and they're very successful.*

*Well, as long as guns & greed don't get in the way. But they'll give dogs a serious fight.
 
2010-11-03 02:49:13 PM
Uncle Wally of Farkington: Political spin within 10...bad troll..bad!

What if it's thread-appropriate?
www.nukefreezone.net
 
2010-11-03 02:49:51 PM
Spiffy. Now tell me how to get rid of a farking psychopath. So tired of dealing with one that is making chaos and misery for a bunch of people who can't seem to purge his worthless ass.
 
2010-11-03 02:50:19 PM
akula: amaranthe: impaler: As my fellow Psychology Today blogger Marisa Mauro has pointed out, psychologists have long been known that the more psychopathic a person is, the more easily they can identify potential victims.

That's messed up.

Also, sending out unconscious signals that you're weak, doesn't really justify being targeted subby.

True... But is it any surprise that those who go around with 'victim here' in their body language are most frequently targeted..? It seems like only an idiot psycho would choose those who DON'T.

/Unless they really like a challenge, or something.

Lions don't choose the biggest and strongest antelope. Wolves don't choose the most badass bison. Human predators don't choose the self confident and capable to prey upon. they choose the weak and submissive.

Is it the fault of the weak and submissive? No. But it's a law of nature- the weaker/more submissive you are, the more others will single you out and take advantage of you, whether we're talking mugging, rape, domestic violence, or just purchase negotiations for a new car. If you don't want to be victimized, be a harder target. Don't make it easy. If you cannot or will not do so, you will continue to get preyed upon by others. It's a shiat state of affairs, but it is the way of the world.


So what does that make me, who specifically targets the ones that look like the biggest challenge? Other than a masochist
 
2010-11-03 02:51:57 PM
Lions look for the limping antelope. No one thinks the antelope is asking for it. People who prey on other people look for the same sort of cues.
 
2010-11-03 02:52:55 PM
After taking a self defense class in college I actually changed my walk and body language whenever I went out. I think it even helped me become less shy and a lot more confident as a consequence. Also, someone tried to snatch my purse a few years ago on U St and instinct made me yank it back and smack the guy over the head with it. I mean... it was my work purse. It had a lot of heft with that day planner, huge Kenneth Cole wallet, some Metro reading, a couple of binders. I mean... he couldn't hold out for an itty bitty Coach bag on a spaghetti strap?
 
Ral
2010-11-03 02:53:02 PM
FTFA: A later study found that the men were picking up on whole suite of nonverbal cues, including the length of their stride, how they shifted their weight, and how high they lifted their feet. Taken together, these cues gave the psychopathic men a rough gauge of how confident their potential victims were. Body language that implies a lack of confidence --- read: socially submissive --- includes lack of eye contact, fidgeting of the hands and feet, and the avoidance of large gestures when shifting posture.

That's a gigantic DUH. This is hardly new information to psychologists and criminologists (I used to read Psychology Today magazine but damn that thing is such crap these days). It's not new information to anyone who has done even a layman's study of body language.

There are whole classes designed around how to modify your body language to avoid being targeted for a crime like a mugging. There is also a lot of information about how to "read" other people and avoid situations that are progressing toward violence.
 
2010-11-03 02:53:04 PM
dragonchild: Of course, bleeding heart terms like "common decency" are huge troll-worthy taboos on Fark where anything but cold-hearted self-preservation is laughable, but people don't get mugged on the Internet.

Common decency won't protect people from being mugged or raked over the coals when negotiating for a vehicle. The predators will still exist; the trick is for everybody else to know what is happening, put into place means by which the weak and submissive can assist themselves, and if necessary, directly intervene.

When you have a target on your back, you're going to be targeted. Unfortunately, there's a bunch of people who themselves are codependent victims; their self image is tied to their helplessness.

Our society has ways in which those who are likely to be preyed upon can improve themselves. For the financial example of new car shopping, research tools are plentiful, as are club memberships with a guaranteed purchase price. For the example of physical attacks, people can take classes on self defense, learn a martial art, and in many areas of the United States, carry a weapon that will allow them to meet a threat with superior (or at least equal) force. But those all depend on somebody no longer choosing to be helpless.

A young bison will usually have sense enough to not wander into the midst of a pack of wolves. You can't say the same about some people.
 
2010-11-03 02:53:11 PM
CleverGuy81: this article? crap. crap crap crap crap crap. it's a sound-bite, faux-news style report about something that some people put years of work into.

That's awful. Someone should write a book about how the news media tends to do this.
 
2010-11-03 02:53:36 PM
entitygm: So what does that make me, who specifically targets the ones that look like the biggest challenge? Other than a masochist

Dead when Rorschach tosses you down an elevator shaft.
 
2010-11-03 02:53:44 PM
As a scrawny kid from Gary, you quickly learn that body language is everything if you don't want to be messed with. Basically the same mechanism in play here.

Things that help:
3. Scowl like the goddamn batman
4. Walk with swagger/purpose, not scurrying, but not meandering either.
5. Silence is golden, it implies confidence better than any blustering.

That is if number 1 and 2 aren't available.
/roll deep
//hold heat
 
2010-11-03 02:54:16 PM
Bohemian: Spiffy. Now tell me how to get rid of a farking psychopath.

Personal life or professional?

Continually question their judgments and authority; belittle & mock them in front of the public & peers; set them up in ways that will see them lose face.

Essentially, you must out-psychopath them.
 
2010-11-03 02:55:13 PM
KatjaMouse: After taking a self defense class in college I actually changed my walk and body language whenever I went out. I think it even helped me become less shy and a lot more confident as a consequence. Also, someone tried to snatch my purse a few years ago on U St and instinct made me yank it back and smack the guy over the head with it.

Exactly. You chose to not be a victim and educated and prepared yourself for such adverse interpersonal encounters. You deliberately ceased to be the weak and submissive prey. Predators may still attack, but they can suffer acute failures of the victim selection process.
 
2010-11-03 02:56:37 PM
akula: The predators will still exist; the trick is for everybody else to know what is happening, put into place means by which the weak and submissive can assist themselves, and if necessary, directly intervene.

ZOMG, you actually talk as if you're not violently opposed to concepts such as a functional society or, worse, (whisper). . . government. We're not supposed to believe in such things. Caveat emptor!!
 
2010-11-03 02:57:13 PM
themirth: Feeling insecure? Well you should because you're about to be raped.

But is it rape-rape? Because it's just not the same if it's not. . .
 
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