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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter 
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5884 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.



At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-and-stephen-colbert-hold-post-rally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 05:55:10 PM
Tired_of_the_BS: I took the family to the rally - wanted my kids to experience first hand what wading through a 'sea of humanity' felt like. I thought that less than 1% of the people proclaiming their position/intent were wing-nuts of either side; I was surprised at how few there were given the large turnout.

The vast majority seemed to have come just to have a good time...

I told anyone who asked that I thought there was only one pivotal issue in our lifetime that people from around the world must decide:

For the Horde!, or... those other guys. Sorry Alliance, I couldn't think of a rallying cry for you. :>/


For the Alliance! For Lordaeron!
 
2010-11-01 05:55:11 PM
peridinos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: How we got to 1435+ comments worrying about salsa, I'll never know.

Salsa is IMPORTANT. Not as important as used carnival rides, but pretty important.


www.theblogmocracy.com
 
2010-11-01 05:55:17 PM
homeschooled: Sticky Hands: homeschooled: DREW IS ALLOWED TO SAY WHATEVER THE F*CK HE WANTS ON HIS OWN WEBSITE AND YOU ALL HAVE TO LIKE IT OR ELSE YOU CAN LEAVE.

I hate to say this, but those shiny metal pants kinda make you look fat.

Don't lie, you enjoyed saying that.


yeah, but it was one of those pleasure/pain type things. I felt bad for thinking a mean thing, then I felt good at being evil, then I felt guilty.

On top of it all, a clever person would have gone with the "see myself in them" angle for steel trousers.

I shall drown my regret in Mt Dew.
 
2010-11-01 05:55:22 PM
Weaver95: the only way this thread could be more awesome would be if our local grammar nazis showed up and started getting pendantic pedantic
.


/pet peeve
 
2010-11-01 05:55:29 PM
What the fark is a reddit?
 
2010-11-01 05:55:30 PM
peridinos: Salsa is IMPORTANT. Not as important as used carnival rides, but pretty important.

It's the tomato-y glue that holds this fragile country together.


Treygreen13: If I could respond in kind with some Calibri I would.

So say we all...

... so say we all...
 
2010-11-01 05:55:31 PM
homeschooled: Crude: Because you sure as hell don't contribute anything close to being funny on this site, Drew.

I beg to differ. Also, you're a douche bag.


I like this one better (new window)
 
2010-11-01 05:55:32 PM
lennavan: RyunosukeKnT: lennavan: RyunosukeKnT: pretty much what I got out of the blog...
but also, I do understand what he is saying. Jon could have been more civil, or more reasonable as it were, about the situation.

How so?

"I am (glad/surprised/what ever) that (reddit/the internet/whoever)helped get the word out about the rally. etc etc etc."

The question was about the decision to hold one in the first place, not about getting the word out. What you want is them to have answered a different question. But they did answer a different question, they also thanked Reddit for all of the donations.

So when they were asked "did it influence your decision?"
And they answered "first of all thanks so much for all of the donations and we already had the idea but this validated our idea"

That isn't enough for you? For a question about the decision to hold it in the first place? They also didn't thank the national mall park in their response which allowed them to hold the rally in the first place. Shall we poutrage about that too?


As for influencing whether or not to hold one in the first place, I think that there may have been many factors involved. Beck's Rally, Fox News/News media in general, and maybe some individuals and/or sites suggesting the same. I dont know, dont wanna know, who came up with the idea in the first place. I am pleased that it turned out well in the end.
 
2010-11-01 05:55:42 PM
Mentalpatient87: Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


And the chief whiner in this thread was...

...Drew
 
2010-11-01 05:55:46 PM
Wow, now I'm really confused on what side to take. Douchebag comedian or internet blogger? Are you guys going to vote for who Oprah told you to or who Glen Beck did? Stay classy America and keep up that hero worship.
 
2010-11-01 05:55:48 PM
Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker, just because Stewart didn't fall to his knees and said that the world would have stopped turning if "The Internet" didn't intervene, that must mean he thinks you don't matter! Knee-jerk much?

And if Fox News is the one source that picks up your rant, well, let's just say that Sanity isn't your strong suit.
 
2010-11-01 05:55:51 PM
Weaver95: the only way this thread could be more awesome would be if our local grammar nazis showed up and started getting pendantic.

Shallow and pendantic.
 
2010-11-01 05:55:55 PM
I think Drew must have tried Four Loko for Halloween. And overdid it
 
2010-11-01 05:56:04 PM
Ringtailed79: You'll get over it.

heh

Don't worry Drew this will all stop after the elections, just like only flamebait headlines getting greened.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:08 PM
Drew:
In short, most people are ambivalent about most things


I'm not sure if I like that statement or not.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:08 PM
From that screed I was expecting, "It didn't hurt. Next question?" but both Stewart and Colbert acknowledged that the online community contributed to the event. Anybody who's outraged by that video should take a step back and try to get some perspective.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:08 PM
Ringtailed79: You'll get over it.

Done in one.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:20 PM
i23.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 05:56:28 PM
I'd pay $5 to see how this moron-a-thon turns out....
 
2010-11-01 05:56:34 PM
leftyblonde: i197.photobucket.com

Maybe so, but my chin is... well... not THAT strong.

:-/
 
2010-11-01 05:56:38 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: Weaver95: the only way this thread could be more awesome would be if our local grammar nazis showed up and started getting pendantic pedantic
.

/pet peeve


I s'ee wHAt yo.u di'd's there.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:42 PM
i386.photobucket.com

Stinks like sex in here.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:53 PM
Zotfripper: I'd pay $5 to see how this moron-a-thon turns out....

Everyone loses.
 
2010-11-01 05:56:57 PM
That's it, I am so suicide bombing CC's offices. Who is with me?
 
2010-11-01 05:56:59 PM
Polonius_In_Drag: Drew: Anti_illuminati: So when is Drew going to come back and apologize?

WE DESERVE APOLOGIES!!1!

IM SORRY YOU ARE A DOUCHEBAG

How's that?

Actually I should do the politician apology: "I'm sorry people didn't understand what I really meant to say, which is something they won't get mad at. I really actually said that, you just didn't understand at the time."


You are calling someone who financially supports your website a douchebag? Really?


What he's immune to criticism because he's paying me $5?
 
2010-11-01 05:57:05 PM
haddie: What, exactly, is going to convince you that you're wrong?

That right there is some fine debating
 
2010-11-01 05:57:16 PM
....im still not over the new GUI changes
 
2010-11-01 05:57:19 PM
She comes in colors everywhere: Lol. 11/1/10. Nevar forget.

The day Drew jumped the shark.


That might be overstating the case a bit. But, seriously, Drew is 100% off-base and being unnecessarily pissy. Hopefully, he'll get over it.
 
2010-11-01 05:57:22 PM
JON STEWART HAS YOU ON HIS IGNORE LIST
 
2010-11-01 05:57:29 PM
Drew, get over yourself
 
2010-11-01 05:57:40 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: That's it, I am so suicide bombing CC's offices. Who is with me?

I can go, but I have to be home in time for dinner.
 
2010-11-01 05:57:42 PM
Drew: What he's immune to criticism because he's paying me $5?

The customer's always right!!!!

Just ask Verizon.
 
2010-11-01 05:57:51 PM
Agatha Crispy: Wow, now I'm really confused on what side to take. Douchebag comedian or internet blogger? Are you guys going to vote for who Oprah told you to or who Glen Beck did? Stay classy America and keep up that hero worship.

I'm voting for whoever Oprah says, she has better tits.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:02 PM
Zotfripper: I'd pay $5 to see how this moron-a-thon turns out....

If anyone sends pictures of their peens to that chick skiptomyloop,
she'll sponsor them for free.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:08 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: FelineMommy27: Haha, you said butt.

An anagram of "rebuttal" is "real butt."

As in: "THIS SHIAT IS FOR *REAL.*"


Is that *REAL* or *REAL REAL*? Perhaps it's actually for *PLAY PLAY*.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:15 PM
@wyrlss: thank you, needed moar hot martial artist/game cosplayers

/supports Chun-li
//also supports Cammy
 
2010-11-01 05:58:27 PM
GaryPDX: Wanna know how I can tell your a n00b?

Actually, I've been here quite a while. Try clicking on my profile, and you'll see I joined around the same time as you. Either Drew is completely full of bullshiat here, or this is the biggest troll Fark has seen in a long time, maybe ever.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:34 PM
RyunosukeKnT: As for influencing whether or not to hold one in the first place, I think that there may have been many factors involved. Beck's Rally, Fox News/News media in general, and maybe some individuals and/or sites suggesting the same. I dont know, dont wanna know, who came up with the idea in the first place. I am pleased that it turned out well in the end.

They said this validated what they were already thinking about. Unless you're suggesting they lied about that, this seems like a pretty reasonable response to me. "Thanks for the donations and yes, your support validated what we were already thinking of doing." It implies they may not have done it this soon or at all without the validation.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:42 PM
Drew: What he's immune to criticism because he's paying me $5?

Hey, that's like $5.45 Canadian. Shirley, that's worth a little immunity.

/f*ck PayPal - get a Visa swiper, please
 
2010-11-01 05:58:47 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: That's it, I am so suicide bombing CC's offices. Who is with me?

You know I'm FBI right?
 
2010-11-01 05:58:49 PM
Awww, look at all the liters white-knighting Drew hoping to get sponsored.

And like all butthurt crybabies, Drew avoids all the posts pointing out in the transcript that he is completely off base in his whiny rant.

/Glad I'm no longer paying to get censored and read threads on boards where 1/3 of the screen is empty space.
 
2010-11-01 05:58:55 PM
Drew: This comment is so awesome it should become a meme


Ahhh shiat, I'm gonna go a be a demi-lurker again. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.
 
2010-11-01 05:59:09 PM
Drew: Polonius_In_Drag: Drew: Anti_illuminati: So when is Drew going to come back and apologize?

WE DESERVE APOLOGIES!!1!

IM SORRY YOU ARE A DOUCHEBAG

How's that?

Actually I should do the politician apology: "I'm sorry people didn't understand what I really meant to say, which is something they won't get mad at. I really actually said that, you just didn't understand at the time."


You are calling someone who financially supports your website a douchebag? Really?

What he's immune to criticism because he's paying me $5?


Damn right, jerkface. And don't you forget it.
 
2010-11-01 05:59:14 PM
Pontius Pilates Class: @Drew

The best thing that will come out of this is a purging of the undesirables of this website, and I, for one, am pleased.


It's also convenient to expose the biggest attention whores. You won that one by a landslide. so feel free to stop at any point now that your competition is over.
 
2010-11-01 05:59:19 PM
I have nothing good to contribute so I will just jump on TMLO's font-facing bandwagon.
 
2010-11-01 05:59:24 PM
Drew: kapaso: Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.

You started it

Touche

Seriously tho, right now it says 17k+ clicks outbound, divide that by the number of negative comments and you have
Plus if I'm wrong, I'll post a hey I was a dumbass blog on Fark tomorrow and I would do that even if everyone agreed with me. I'd rather be right than win

In short, most people are ambivalent about most things


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't each time one of us still lurking in the thread does a refresh it counts as a click too? I've probably added about 30-40 alone yet only voiced my distaste towards the blog post about 2-3 times (I know I know, I gotta pull up my boot straps here) and I imagine most of the rest of us still in here have as well. Then you have all the pure lurkers who don't even have accounts and even if they wanted to weigh in on this post they couldn't for 24 hours after creating an account.

Nah I'd go by the thread's contents not the click count on this one, and yah you're definitely alienating a lot of us here. The only ones defending the post seem to be either the TFD lifers or their troll-alts.
 
2010-11-01 05:59:29 PM
i197.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 05:59:38 PM
kotton: And Drew, this is why I'll never give you $5 a month.

Keep your butt hurt strong.


Pretty sure that option wasn't on the table regardless.

Hope you get a job soon that helps make spending $5 less of an enormous decision
 
2010-11-01 05:59:40 PM
JON STEWART QUIT FARK DURING THE THREADBOARDS OF 9/11
 
2010-11-01 05:59:51 PM
Pontius Pilates Class: Poppa Boner

That's "Pappy" Boner. Major if you're nasty.


www.madmann.com


/any excuse is a good excuse.

// Drew Is RIGHT!
 
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