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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5861 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.

At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-and-stephen-colbert-hold-post-​r​ally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 05:01:21 PM  
Drew: Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

You must not know what the quotation marks do. They're not for paraphrasing. Colbert never once in that video says Reddit didn't affect attendance at all. He never said that, so now you're lying about what he said to be outraged.

The question was wheter the internet affected their decision to hold the rally, not how much the internet helped everything at the rally, and that's what they addressed.

Get over yourself.
 
2010-11-01 05:01:22 PM  

steveGswine: And how are there so few comments on the FoxNews article?


They modmin like a mutha there... most posts get deleted.
 
2010-11-01 05:01:28 PM  
 
2010-11-01 05:01:30 PM  
Mr. Richard Smoker 2010-11-01 03:33:29 PM

Kind of embarrassing to be fishing for compliments like that on live TV, to be honest.


that's what i was thinking
 
2010-11-01 05:01:36 PM  
It's amazing how many people comment their outrage without either watching the video, reading the transcript, or reading the many posts of the snippet of the transcript that was relevant in the thread.
 
2010-11-01 05:01:37 PM  


Ku_No_Ichi
I have no pancake mix!
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Then lets make
some waffles!
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2010-11-01 05:01:44 PM  

el_dudarino: ITT: 1,000 comments of nothing


I think about 50 of them are yours.
 
2010-11-01 05:01:51 PM  

Ku_No_Ichi: I have no pancake mix!
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Fark: Now with 100% less pancake mix!
 
2010-11-01 05:01:58 PM  

gspazg: I'd just like to point out that titties have not been talked about in this thread once. This being the internet I think it would be unfair if we didn't give titties the attention they deserve.

/titties


Pics or GTFO.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:08 PM  

Treygreen13: Yeah, he/she totally got me. The 4 seconds it took to type a response are forever gone!


I'm guessing this response took another 9 seconds.
Perhaps if you added up all the time you spent whining about things and put that towards showing up and making a difference, John Stewart would think you were worth a damn.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:21 PM  

Dranar: Actually, I've seen and agreed with this argument a few times, and it makes me wonder... who gets paid when Fark sells a Headline T-Shirt?


Do people actually buy those?
 
2010-11-01 05:02:21 PM  

too-old: make me some tea: That said, I do always love a good turkey, bacon and avocado sandwich.

needs sprouts


I agree, it does. Not my pic anyway.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:22 PM  
But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years.

You're an arrogant f*cking prick. Seriously, "you" don't come up with the vast majority of material on this site. "You" used Fark to write a book, giving some credit where it is due but not going out of your way to give financial credit to those who contributed.

I thought maybe some of these articles just went over the top, but now I see Drew is a whiny little baby.

This is REALLY starting to remind me of a whiny prick who runs an oil company, crossed with a child. "PROFITS AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH, WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO MEEE?!"
 
2010-11-01 05:02:24 PM  

queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.


No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:36 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: FOXNEWS: Jon Stewart Slaps the Internet in the Face (new window)


with his penis.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:46 PM  

Quel: In this thread:

A bunch of people recently back from attending the Rally to Restory Sanity go insane. That lesson clearly didn't take.


The only person that went insane here is Drew, and you for that inane rant a few posts up.
 
2010-11-01 05:02:56 PM  
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2010-11-01 05:03:15 PM  
waaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaa

how pathetic.

someone must be low on page views today.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:16 PM  

Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


Ok, now THAT sounds like a troll.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:19 PM  

ThisNameSux: Damn, Drew is getting bashed on reddit as well as Fark. He better hope /b doesn't get in on this or it's going to get ugly quick.


They have it now...
 
2010-11-01 05:03:25 PM  
Somebody should write a book about people who make stupid statements like this just for attention.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:25 PM  

GaryPDX: lol..I was here when it started.


I came in at around 400 posts, then came around post 600.

Anyway.... how are things, Gary? How's the missus & kids? What do you want for Christmas this year? Who do you think will win the Stanley Cup? Do you think it's fair for ESPN to provide NHL power rankings when we're only a month into the schedule?

So many questions, so few Garys.....
 
2010-11-01 05:03:30 PM  

too-old: baby dinosaurs: If you weren't at the rally, then it's really not okay for you to be even posting in this thread.

I watched it on the TV, does that help?


thats like the equivalent being a liter
you should just kill yourself
 
2010-11-01 05:03:31 PM  
Oh gee....Drew's ticked off because he didn't get his 15 minutes of fame....Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2010-11-01 05:03:38 PM  

Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


Seriously, I saw this when you tweeted it, checked it out, and yawned. I should've known better.

I ALWAYS MISS THE EPICNESS.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:43 PM  

baby dinosaurs: Treygreen13: Yeah, he/she totally got me. The 4 seconds it took to type a response are forever gone!

I'm guessing this response took another 9 seconds.
Perhaps if you added up all the time you spent whining about things and put that towards showing up and making a difference, John Stewart would think you were worth a damn.


Right.

If only I had spent the 20 seconds I'm spending typing to you, and instead traveled to Washington D.C. from Dallas to see a comedian do a "you're all insane" rally, then the world would be a better place.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:52 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: FOXNEWS: Jon Stewart Slaps the Internet in the Face (new window)


So what you're saying is that Drew and Fox News see things the same. LOL enjoy that one Farkers.
 
2010-11-01 05:03:52 PM  
Haha, Now Fox is parroting your bullshiat Drew
 
2010-11-01 05:03:58 PM  
For reference...

John Stewart

www.comicbookmovie.com

Jon Stewart

www.metapedia.com
 
2010-11-01 05:03:59 PM  
uh oh, now the liters are really going to whine
 
2010-11-01 05:04:02 PM  
the internet is not supposed to be serious business. keep providing your forum, and good things might happen socially. if you don't get all the credit, BFD. good things still happened.
 
2010-11-01 05:04:03 PM  
Seriously, Drew, this is pretty crappy. Though I like to give low blows here and there, I STILL had a little bit of respect for you. This just comes off as childish.

Drew: No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


Well, you're apparently the resident expert in whining.
 
2010-11-01 05:04:21 PM  
Can I complain that out of thousands of awesome posts I've made over the years that the one you put in the fark book was far from representational of my mad wordsmith ski-zillz QUESTION MARK
 
2010-11-01 05:04:26 PM  

Drew: No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


Aaaand we have officially hit "Full Retard" level.
 
2010-11-01 05:04:28 PM  
www.treehugger.com

"I had the idea for the rally months ago. I was on the crapper, you know... Dropping a deuce, when the idea came to me. I thought to myself, "This whole country is going insane.", so I decided to....throw a rally....to restore....sanity."

cnneatocracy.files.wordpress.com

"Give proper credit, where it is due, Stewart! My friend helped you a lot. You won't even acknowledge that? What happened to you, man? I thought you were cool."

cache.gawker.com

"OH MAN! I'm supposed to give YOUR friend credit? Sure, while I'm at it, why don't I just give credit to all the smurfs, unicorns, and Harry Potter wizards as well."

www.surfthedrift.com

"GOD, STEWART! YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME! YOU RIP OFF THE INTERNET FOR YOUR SOURCE MATERIAL CONSTANTLY. WHY CAN'T YOU FOR ONCE GET OFF YOUR PEDESTAL AND ADMIT YOU STEAL ON A REGULAR BASIS?!"

www.3news.co.nz

"Hmm, let me think about that one... No."

cache.gawker.com

"Fine Stewart. Have it your way. We have nothing more to discuss. Just know that I'm going to send my army of Farkers to deal with you! By the time they're done with you, your show will have lower ratings than nude cooking with Clint Howard! Now I will enjoy this victory beverage! Muahahaha!"

www.freedomsphoenix.com

"Wow, seems like this Jon Stewart guy is in for a...oh DAMNIT!"

static.guim.co.uk

"I just shat my pants... OLIVER, BRING THE SPONGE, AND BATHING BUCKET!"

punchlinemagazine.com

"GO F*CK YOURSELF, STEWART!"

~FIN~
 
2010-11-01 05:04:45 PM  

gspazg: I'd just like to point out that titties have not been talked about in this thread once. This being the internet I think it would be unfair if we didn't give titties the attention they deserve.



i789.photobucket.com

/titties

 
2010-11-01 05:04:45 PM  

RareChimer: Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.

Ok, now THAT sounds like a troll.


Too bad its a little too late, all the crying was in the headline.
 
2010-11-01 05:04:51 PM  

laughingsquid.com

Whar is return policy?
Whar Drew
Whar?
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/pic is hot
/out of context outrage is not
 
2010-11-01 05:04:59 PM  

Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


img1.ifilmpro.com
"I learned it by watching you!"
 
2010-11-01 05:05:03 PM  

NittLion78: I guess what I'm saying is, it's worth it to point out that in their response to a question in an interview, they underestimated the power of the internet and forums where people exchange ideas and opinions on a daily basis, sometimes not in the form of LOLcats. But, don't be so quick to hold it against them - maybe they just don't know any better.


It is entirely possible you are correct, in fact I'd prefer that outcome myself
 
2010-11-01 05:05:09 PM  

Drew: No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


As opposed to what you were doing?
 
2010-11-01 05:05:13 PM  
@RareChimer

No, that sounds like a man who knows his audience.
 
2010-11-01 05:05:16 PM  
This thread went from slightly over 500 posts to 861 by the time I hit the bottom of page 2.

As someone who has actually done both on and offline marketing for over 10 years, and who hardly EVER gets thanked for helping out - guess what, it's part of the job. You're behind the scenes. If the rally would have been sponsored by Reddit (which I had honestly never heard of until today) or Fark, then I think the outrage would have been justified.

Here's what it comes down to:

Drew, I like Fark. I like finding out funny stories I can't find other places very easily. I like knowing there's a place I can come on the internet to laugh at .. something, someone, what have it, for an hour+ a day. Fark helps out when I'm frustrated from looking for a job, god knows how much I *heart* the Caturday Thread. Personally? I can't afford TF. Kind people have given me TF access here and there. I appreciate that. I tell them that by name, email, what have you. This is what we call a direct thanks.

You (er, I'm sorry - your friend) got an indirect thanks.

Truth be told, the only people that caused that rally to happen were people that put money into it and the people that showed up. Other sites - like Reddit, Fark, Twitter, FB, and the like - simply helped the masses. Did Stewart and Colbert thank Greyhound, Megabus, all the airlines? Doubtful. I have to think they were a LOT more instrumental in getting people there than you were.

I personally didn't watch the rally (neither Beck's nor S/C's), and I don't watch any of their TV shows either. I had no interest in any of it. Nor do I now.

What I fail to understand, nay, comprehend - DREW. Drew. You. Don't. Write. The. Headlines. Here.

...

Let me reiterate this a bit more clearly.

You. Don't. Make. Your. Own. Content. Nor moderate........

I'm just gonna let this sit here a while.
~

However, since you've gotten a mention on Fox News, I'm sure you will see increases in about everything.

But this just reeks of unprofessionalism and a really big ego.

I love FARK. I really do. But seriously, Drew?

I'm sorry to tell you this.

You're not as important as you think. If Fark shut down tomorrow, you'd still have the money you've made from it (which is probably more than I've made in my entire lifetime working for 13 of the last 14 years - less than $150k all told) and the internet will still go on without Fark.

You've gotten plenty of help from people, and some worship the ground you walk on.

But seriously. You're already making out like a bandit on other people's ideas... and now you're lambasting others for doing the same?

Is it right for them to "steal content"? No, and I would never say that. However, this just smells of begging for attention (which you've gotten) and wanting something that, quite honestly, you do not deserve.

Just my two cents, sorry they're a bit dusty, since I found them earlier on the ground.

/back to page 3
//halloween candy if you made it this far.
 
2010-11-01 05:05:18 PM  

Drew: queezyweezel: Something tells me Drew did not expect this thread to head in this direction....wowza.

No I always expect all the whiners to show up and gripe, that's pretty much par for the course.


You haven't talked about the titties yet. How can you ignore an entire segment of the internet?
 
2010-11-01 05:05:21 PM  

Stupid Floppy Clownshoes: ThisNameSux: Damn, Drew is getting bashed on reddit as well as Fark. He better hope /b doesn't get in on this or it's going to get ugly quick.

They have it now...


For the record, I just peeked in there, and now I have to take a shower.
 
2010-11-01 05:05:21 PM  
Yeah, it must be disappointing to get a movement going, only to not get your due recognition when it gets national coverage.
 
2010-11-01 05:05:33 PM  
If I didn't know any better, I would believe that skiptomyloop stole Drew's account
 
2010-11-01 05:05:34 PM  
But, I'm sure, in typical Fark fashion, now you're just going to give me a shadow ban, because I peed in your Cheerios.

But of course you have no problem taking our money and not saying "thank you."
 
2010-11-01 05:05:44 PM  
Comment from FoxNews.com:

"If you had so much to do with it, organize another rally and see how many show up. Pick any subject you want."
 
2010-11-01 05:05:55 PM  

SO VOTE
REPUBLICAN
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