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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter 
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5884 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.



At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-and-stephen-colbert-hold-post-rally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 04:12:03 PM
This thread is proof the Rally to Restore Sanity has failed.

The good news is that I am a conservative.
 
2010-11-01 04:12:08 PM
I don't have enough information, at this time, to have an informed opinion on the matter.
 
2010-11-01 04:12:10 PM
Some time ago, in a private email exchange, I accused a TFette of creating a Fark alt strictly for the purpose of studying how others reacted to the character she had developed for that alt. I had thought she was doing it as an exercise for some writing she was doing. She denied it, and pointed out how she would have done it much differently and I believed her.

But it got me to thinking.

What better way to explore how others react to a character than to put that character into place where they would interact with others? And even more importantly, what growth or change could such a character experience in that way before being committed to the page in a story? What marvelous background could I obtain on this character to use later as a story line developed?

First, I developed the kind of character I needed for the story I intended to write. I worked at outlining his personality profile, fleshing out a past for him, and even went so far as to find some pictures online that I could use to stick in his Fark profile. I did this on and off over the course of a couple of months. Eventually I got to a point where I thought I had a convincing character who I knew enough about to be able post confidently on Fark as this person. I printed out a couple of pages of background I had written so as to keep his story straight, and I started to cut and paste some of "his" posts and other TFer's responses when I thought it might be something that would resurface later. Today I have a three ring binder with about 25 pages of material and lots of hand written notes. I have a very complete and very individual character now.

The problem, however, is that I allowed things to get out of hand just a bit. In developing this character's interactions with others, I have allowed the character's personality and judgment to run rampant without being held in check by my own judgment. Additionally, maintaining the completeness of this alternate persona has begun to cut into my time, because now he has email conversations with a few of you, not to mention his busy posting schedule here on Fark. This has resulted in several instances where this alt has really pissed some people off. At the time I thought it was a great character study, but just like Fark is not my personal erotica site, neither should it be my literary laboratory. My freedom and enjoyment of the site should not be at the expense of other's feelings and in retrospect I regret having even started this experiment in the first place. I would like to therefore apologize for my actions and for the actions of my alt, Drew.

Sincerely,
skiptomyloop
 
2010-11-01 04:12:17 PM
Nabb1: A picture of Drew's post dropped in front of the FARK cave.

Somehow I don't think we are all going to come out of this more evolved
 
2010-11-01 04:12:20 PM
chimp_ninja: If they share Jon Stewart's mindset about media (traditional and otherwise) creating hostility and division with intentionally troll-ish headlines, Fark's recent turn for the worse in this regard may not sit that well with them.

Pretty much this. The Politics tab, with its legions of troll-alts and flamebait headlines, doesn't exactly line up with the "restoring sanity" angle.
 
2010-11-01 04:12:35 PM
ne2d: Sorry for the trouble. To the 99.99% of you that this doesn't apply to, carry on

you're a piece of shiat. i wasn't even planning to post in this thread, and i've never whined about sissy bullshiat like this a day in my life.

this biatch made me stick with her for a year and a half, the only meaningful relationship i've ever had. now i can't ever talk to her again.

i came in here wanting funny links, or ideas for good drinks.

all i got was shiatheads like you assuming i'm some kind of emo assbag crying and cutting myself while listening to linkin park.

fark you, dude. get a farking life. get off totalfark. im 20 years old, i have my entire life ahead of me. what do you have?

your internet addiction? a lot of extra body weight? an ugly-ass wife that nags you all day?

no? well that's what it's like when people assume shiat.

i am so glad this month of TF was sponsored for me. the place really has changed since i was here last.

you are all pretentious douchebags now. get the fark out of my thread if you dont wanna hear about a farking breakup. the headline was one farking line, what did u expect?

assholes.
 
2010-11-01 04:12:41 PM
mikaloyd: This is the best plan in the history of EVER for ridding an internet site of politicking douchebags.

You GO Drew!


I don't think he thought his clever plan through...
 
2010-11-01 04:13:01 PM
medius: /the internet was there

And it's got some pretty sweet gams!
 
2010-11-01 04:13:26 PM
I hope personal politics aren't playing into Drew's reaction here. That would make me rather sad.

Though the fact that he has apparently complained to fox news (Has he complained to anyone one else? Is this story showing up on CNN?) makes me wonder.
 
2010-11-01 04:13:34 PM
FOX NEWS?!?!?!?! Drew, either you're messing with them, or you're messing with us. And I don't think you're messing with them.
 
2010-11-01 04:13:39 PM
Tor_Eckman: medius: /the internet was there

And it's got some pretty sweet gams!


That's PROBABLY a dude. It IS the internet, after all.
 
2010-11-01 04:14:13 PM
robbierussell.net

Did someone say tacos?
 
2010-11-01 04:14:18 PM
PanicMan: Actually, I've been a little dissapointed with all of Fark lately. No major problems, just a slight slip in quality. Also, the moderation rules aren't clear. Clearly stated and enforced rules are what hold any community together, and I think we're losing that.

This is Fark. We all lost it a long time ago.
 
2010-11-01 04:14:22 PM
Felgraf: Though the fact that he has apparently complained to fox news (Has he complained to anyone one else? Is this story showing up on CNN?) makes me wonder.

Is this a story?
 
2010-11-01 04:14:36 PM
Hmm, that Fox News article says, "The rally, co-hosted by the Comedy Central comedians, drew a crowd estimated at 250,000 this past Saturday on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.." Is that the Official Fox Rally Tally now? Because I missed the first ten rally count pissing contest threads and I want to play, too.
 
2010-11-01 04:14:38 PM
trappedspirit: Nabb1: A picture of Drew's post dropped in front of the FARK cave.

Somehow I don't think we are all going to come out of this more evolved


No, but at some point, someone is going to bludgeon a warthog with a femur. Besides, give FARKers 2 million years or so...
 
2010-11-01 04:14:45 PM
HoboCop: This the best part (new window)

"Curtis was so upset by the comments that he submitted an open letter to Fark.com, lambasting what he considered "backhanded compliments" by the comedy duo."

Bwahahahahaahhaha.
 
2010-11-01 04:14:49 PM
I am Ahab: ThreeEdgedSword: ultraholland: ThreeEdgedSword


i789.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 04:14:57 PM
medius: /the internet was there

Is that a dude? Please tell me that's a dude.
 
2010-11-01 04:14:58 PM
skiptomyloop: Sincerely,
skiptomyloop


The point of the thread was to read your response. But deriding mine must be much easier. I guess it better represents the average farker, who is lazy, and enjoys putting down random strangers in an effort to stroke their own ego. Maybe if I had posted one of fark's undead and unfunny cliches you jerks would have laughed yourselves silly.

So this is fark's online community? And this is what it's like to be a part of it? Wow, it sucks.

Goodbye fark, and good riddance. Enjoy delivering your scathing replies, I won't be reading them.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:13 PM
LasersHurt: Tor_Eckman: medius: /the internet was there

And it's got some pretty sweet gams!

That's PROBABLY a dude. It IS the internet, after all.


Hey, if you've got wheels like that you should show em off. Whatever it is.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:14 PM
I would like to see a hot asian woman get bukkake while reading this thread.



//i rarely visit reddit. i like fark because it has tabs and image tags.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:14 PM
I'm so glad I decided to smoke a bowl during my lunch break today.

/should've had tacos instead of beef stew...
 
2010-11-01 04:15:16 PM
I tried, kitwilly, but it said you've already got it.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:34 PM
Fox news? You complained to fox news?

ಠ_ಠ
 
2010-11-01 04:15:34 PM
Also, Drew:

It was really rather lame of you to threaten on 'our behalf', like you're our exalted leader or something. That was rather arrogant.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:35 PM
TheKnownUniverse: "The rally, co-hosted by the Comedy Central comedians, drew a crowd estimated at 250,000 this past Saturday on the National Mall in Washington, D.C

Jesus F*ck - you WERE mentioned. Now, I really don't get the outrage
 
2010-11-01 04:15:41 PM
el_dudarino: i am so glad this month of TF was sponsored for me. the place really has changed since i was here last.

you are all pretentious douchebags now.


So what was the change that you noticed?
 
2010-11-01 04:15:47 PM
OK, up until now, I've been on the Reddit side of this, agreeing that they did help.

BUT...when they said "it didn't hurt", that's not inappropriate. First of all, they could have meant it as an intentional understatement. Secondly, even if they didn't, so what?

What do you want? A ginormous "Thank you, it was the single most important factor in the whole run-up to the event"???

I guarantee you that 99% of those at the rally never even heard of Reddit, and were there because of the rampant TV promotion of the event and resulting coverage on COUNTLESS sites. This seems to be a classic case of inflated self-worth here.

Reddit helped encourage them to have a rally. Colbert even acknowledged this. But to say Reddit should get much credit beyond that is f*cking stupid.

Sorry.

Get over it.
 
2010-11-01 04:15:54 PM
My head asplode.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:09 PM
Huh, FOX deleted the comments that were posted there. FCM and 3 others.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:15 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Hmm, that Fox News article says, "The rally, co-hosted by the Comedy Central comedians, drew a crowd estimated at 250,000 this past Saturday on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.." Is that the Official Fox Rally Tally now? Because I missed the first ten rally count pissing contest threads and I want to play, too.

It was really just 25 fat people seen from a distance.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:19 PM
el_dudarino: So this is fark's online community? And this is what it's like to be a part of it? Wow, it sucks.

Goodbye fark, and good riddance. Enjoy delivering your scathing replies, I won't be reading them.


Oh dear it seems you have too much sand in your vagina and this is coming from someone with a vagina.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:21 PM
home.comcast.net
 
2010-11-01 04:16:23 PM
Are we being trolled? It kinda feels like it.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:29 PM
i267.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 04:16:35 PM
My opinion on this issue can be purchased for a TotalFark sponsorship.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:48 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Hmm, that Fox News article says, "The rally, co-hosted by the Comedy Central comedians, drew a crowd estimated at 250,000 this past Saturday on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.." Is that the Official Fox Rally Tally now? Because I missed the first ten rally count pissing contest threads and I want to play, too.

Fox is going with the "but Glenn Beck's rally was still twice as big" line.
 
2010-11-01 04:16:57 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Hmm, that Fox News article says, "The rally, co-hosted by the Comedy Central comedians, drew a crowd estimated at 250,000 this past Saturday on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.." Is that the Official Fox Rally Tally now? Because I missed the first ten rally count pissing contest threads and I want to play, too.

Sounds good to me. It's great fun to argue over crowd density and geometric principles!
 
2010-11-01 04:17:05 PM
Tor_Eckman: LasersHurt: Tor_Eckman: medius: /the internet was there

And it's got some pretty sweet gams!

That's PROBABLY a dude. It IS the internet, after all.

Hey, if you've got wheels like that you should show em off. Whatever it is.


Fair enough. Probably wouldn't alter my decision making tree, either, so what am I worried about.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:07 PM
Okay, we need to start discussing ways Drew can abort from his original opinion piece.

So far I've seen:

1) Pretend the site was hacked by rabid teabaggers.

2) Pretend this was all a psychology experiment.

3) Claim he was abducted by the CIA.

4) Find another story about neighbors who are terrorizing a dying child and divert attention from yourself.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:08 PM
Is this where I comment and say I'm disappointed in Drew so I sound cool and edgy?

OH WAIT.......... Drew is 100% right. My bad.

/can't imagine people stealing stuff from my site for years without recognition. I'd be bitter too.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:16 PM
Drew, I really don't care that much, except to say Congrats on the best troll thread I've seen in a long time, but if Fox News is backing you up, you're probably in the wrong. I have no idea what you think of them, but you just Internet-raged about something and now the MSM is writing about it rather than writing about real news.

Just saying.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:19 PM
What Fark needs today is a plow your mom with the blinds open in Japan thread, or (this time) some labia caught in a wooden chair thread.

Get to it, people.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:19 PM
If Jon Stewart holds a rally that doesn't have the support of "The Internet", will it collapse like the troll-whining of a website owner when the owner's own viewers don't support him?
 
2010-11-01 04:17:20 PM
atlfarkette: Are we being trolled? It kinda feels like it.

I think so.

I mean, I hope so.

/I can't believe I'm on the main page.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:20 PM
I always wondered what would happen if Drew went up against Jon Stewart. Now I know. I can't say I'm surprised to see the majority of the posts being in support of Stewart - but that's what you get for greenlighting TDS links constantly. I mean, non-stop at times.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:33 PM
el_dudarino: ne2d: Sorry for the trouble. To the 99.99% of you that this doesn't apply to, carry on

you're a piece of shiat. i wasn't even planning to post in this thread, and i've never whined about sissy bullshiat like this a day in my life.


Look you farking dumb ass skank-biscut; you don't know shiat. You don't know who I am or what I do or what my life at home is like. I am there for this girl. I hold her when she cries, I buy her flowers, I cook her dinner. I listen to her problems, I talk to her about them and I try to help her through them. It is not, NOT, unreasonable to think of how I am feeling every once in a while. I put her first, always. I am looking at what it is doing to me and I am asking for advice, not judgment from some no-face c*nt bucket. So until you actualy have a conversation with me, know who I am, where I am coming from, don't you farking dare think that you know who I am.
 
2010-11-01 04:17:33 PM
MBarry: Did someone say tacos?

i789.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 04:17:45 PM
Wow.
Talk about made up news.
 
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