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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter 
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5914 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.



At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-and-stephen-colbert-hold-post-rally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 03:53:49 PM  
Holy crap there's a lot of people here hating on the FARK.

You are aware that broadcast media steals Drew's shiat on a daily basis, yes? OK, so Drew technically gets it for free, but still, that's a lot of hate for someone that's taking the moral high road.
 
2010-11-01 03:54:00 PM  
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON
Don't forget to bring a towel.
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2010-11-01 03:54:02 PM  
WOOOOOOO, I totally nailed the "Jesus was a space alien". Someone make a thing with a picture of it with text underneath it and post it in perpetuity whenever anyone does a thing online.
 
2010-11-01 03:54:13 PM  
- "It didn't hurt" could have been sarcasm? Would that really be out of character for Jon Stewart?
- The Daily Show should mention Fark, I could just see Stewart talking about some politician almost doing something stupid and him being like "That's one way to end up on Fark." or "You don't want to be a Fark headline, do you?" and then cue applause.
 
2010-11-01 03:54:14 PM  
Yzziefrog: Wendy's Chili: Yzziefrog: Wendy's Chili: if you don't like what he's got to say, you can take your 5 bucks and go play somewhere else. No need to be rude just because you disagree.

I don't pay for this shiat.

Also... you sound fat.

When you say you don't pay for this, do you mean that when you buy your TF you only want stuff that you will like, or that you get other people to sponsor you so you can get access to something you feel is crap?

And, yes, I am fat. What's your point? I also have a sense of propriety that doesn't agree when people sh*t all over something they have no obligation to use, and who enjoy peeing in other people's cornflakes.


i161.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 03:54:15 PM  
Mr. Richard Smoker: Kind of embarrassing to be fishing for compliments like that on live TV, to be honest.

That did seem overtly shameless.

Shame -- You should have it. Because when you don't, you're more likely to get embarrassed.
 
2010-11-01 03:54:15 PM  
Also, after watching the video...

Colbert goes out of his way to thank Reddit for raising the money. Before he even asks his question, he is getting thanks from both of them for doing that.

Then, Stewart points out that he already put a deposit on the mall and the idea was being thrown around.

But, both of them thank "The Internet" for validating that it was a good idea. He makes a crack about "it didn't hurt" in a silly voice, obviously a joke.

Both of them point out how the comments from people on the internet made them more confident and convinced that it was a decent/good idea.

I'm not sure if you were hoping they both jumped up and offered to suck the guy's dick or not...but it sure as f*ck seems like they were more than generous.
 
2010-11-01 03:54:42 PM  
forum.cheatengine.org
 
2010-11-01 03:54:44 PM  
You know, it's just polite to say thank you when people help you. Even if it's just a little bit of help, a warm and heartfelt thank you isn't too much to ask and people are much more willing to help you the next time. I think that was Drew's point, and it's a point that anyone interested in social change and organizing people around an idea should pay close attention to. Ignore social niceties at your peril.

The Internet: It's made of PEOPLE!!
 
2010-11-01 03:54:59 PM  
Someone should shop a picture of Stewart and Colbert pointing at this thread on a computer screen and laughing and/or making comments about how funny it is.
 
2010-11-01 03:55:08 PM  
Anti_illuminati: Donor

Would you blame Obama or his speech-writers if it happened there?
 
2010-11-01 03:55:11 PM  
Drew: - Stewart didn't mean to slight Reddit

Possibly not, but in my opinion, he did.


Did you maybe post the wrong video link?
 
2010-11-01 03:55:28 PM  
HOW IS BLOG TROLLED? HOW DREW GET PAGE VIEWS?
 
2010-11-01 03:55:55 PM  
Dude. The whole point of this rally was to stop getting wrapped around the axle about the little stupid things.

I'm a little dissapointed in you.
 
2010-11-01 03:55:58 PM  
Did Drew have one of those "Cue" moments or something?
 
2010-11-01 03:56:04 PM  
GaryPDX: What is a Reddit?

The proper question is "What is an elchip?"
 
2010-11-01 03:56:12 PM  
Mo Rocca (former Daily Show correspondent) mentioned fark on "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me."

/got nuthin
//liked the live feed for the rally on fark but mostly watched the rally
///have to agree with the naysayers here
 
2010-11-01 03:56:17 PM  
bulldg4life: Also, after watching the video...

Colbert goes out of his way to thank Reddit for raising the money. Before he even asks his question, he is getting thanks from both of them for doing that.

Then, Stewart points out that he already put a deposit on the mall and the idea was being thrown around.

But, both of them thank "The Internet" for validating that it was a good idea. He makes a crack about "it didn't hurt" in a silly voice, obviously a joke.

Both of them point out how the comments from people on the internet made them more confident and convinced that it was a decent/good idea.

I'm not sure if you were hoping they both jumped up and offered to suck the guy's dick or not...but it sure as f*ck seems like they were more than generous.


Yeah I have to agree. I'm not so sure "you don't matter" is the correct way to summarize what they said. It sounded like an honest reply. I think a more honest way to summarize their comments would be "it validated what we already were planning."
 
2010-11-01 03:56:37 PM  
cackylacky: The Internet: It's made of PEOPLE!!

No wonder it tastes so good!!!

Please, sir, I want some more.
 
2010-11-01 03:56:45 PM  
I'M RALLYING
AGAINST RALLIES

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2010-11-01 03:56:48 PM  
ultimatedroid.com

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2010-11-01 03:57:00 PM  
Pontius Pilates Class: @Infobahn

This is not like you sitting at home, refusing to get up and take the trash out because you have to watch the football game live because you can change the outcome by thinking hard enough. The internet is the new frontier of the grassroots movement, slick.


Yeah, slick, I know about the internet and the grassroots and all. The fact is, attention whores are attention whores, and Drew thinking he (and/or Reddit) are anything more than a small cog is a much, much bigger machine shows that he missed the point of the rally. The people that use the internet, watch TDS, and do other things are, in most cases, the same thing. I didn't learn about the rally on Fark it was via TDS. There is an old saying, don't argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel. Well, Jon has a TV show. He didn't really need the help of just one group of interweb site groupies.

And, BTW, I wasn't sitting on my couch, I was there.
farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2010-11-01 03:57:26 PM  
i56.tinypic.com
 
2010-11-01 03:57:33 PM  
Sorry Drew. Love the Website, and visit it every day... You did have me concerned for a bit. As your post did make me think Stewart and Colbert said something selfish. But then I watched the video. I think you owe them an apology.

/Take a few minutes to breathe.
 
2010-11-01 03:57:46 PM  
Drew: Here's a few responses to a bunch of separate comments:

- Drew's butthurt

No, I'm angry that a friend got snubbed in public at a press conference by someone he respects and admires, and recently helped. Insert Your Mom joke here

- There's no way credit can be given to every website on the Internet for everything it does

Correct. However when someone is standing right in front of you and you know they helped, it's a damn good time to mention it. Or say nothing. Not "it didn't hurt". No one owes anyone a hat tip, but that right there was a dick move in my opinion

- Stewart didn't mean to slight Reddit

Possibly not, but in my opinion, he did.

- Stewart was kidding when he said what he said

If he did, then I'm way off base. If I'm wrong I'll absolutely own up to it. As of right now, I'm not wrong.


so then... you're not trolling?
 
2010-11-01 03:58:04 PM  
THATS OKAY DREW, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE JEOPARDY!
 
2010-11-01 03:58:06 PM  
Sounds like a Farker got butthurt and greenlighted.
 
2010-11-01 03:58:07 PM  
bulldg4life: Also, after watching the video...

Colbert goes out of his way to thank Reddit for raising the money. Before he even asks his question, he is getting thanks from both of them for doing that.

Then, Stewart points out that he already put a deposit on the mall and the idea was being thrown around.

But, both of them thank "The Internet" for validating that it was a good idea. He makes a crack about "it didn't hurt" in a silly voice, obviously a joke.

Both of them point out how the comments from people on the internet made them more confident and convinced that it was a decent/good idea.

I'm not sure if you were hoping they both jumped up and offered to suck the guy's dick or not...but it sure as f*ck seems like they were more than generous.


Maybe they wanted one of these?

mlp.imagesofher.com
 
2010-11-01 03:58:32 PM  
There's a lot of outrage here over Drew's outrage. In fact I am rather outraged about it.
 
2010-11-01 03:58:54 PM  
I sense a mutiny is afoot!
 
2010-11-01 03:59:07 PM  
When I first read it, I thought all the '...and I can't BELIEVE The Daily Show hasn't thanked Fark yet' stuff was just Drew taking the piss. Then I realized he was serious...wow.
 
2010-11-01 03:59:14 PM  
give me doughnuts: FuturePastNow: Frank and Beans: WTF is Reddit?

It's what used to be called Digg

What's "Digg"?


It used to be a web site, run by a guy named Kevin Rose, until he lost his mind a couple months ago.
 
2010-11-01 03:59:17 PM  
hahaha, nice job, troll-mitter
 
2010-11-01 03:59:29 PM  
This is the first I've heard that Reddit had anything to do with it. Or Fark.

I know how you feel, Drew. I got the same treatment from Obama. It was pretty bad. But alcohol fixed everything.
 
2010-11-01 03:59:41 PM  
Drew.. I definitely agree that many in the industry utilize the material from FARK and never give it mention. I actually stopped listening to a local morning radio show after I realized most of their morning topics came from FARK verbatim. They didn't even try to make it sound different, and yet they also made it sound like they had to do so much work to deliver material daily. FARK should get more props, but then maybe people would realize how worthless the news is?
 
2010-11-01 03:59:42 PM  
jabbedxorz,

I dont think im implying anything. in a perfect world, people with work to sell would be paid by the people that read it, and the people with a message to advertise would pay to get it out.

What Im saying , is that in the wold we live in, for every creator of content, there seems to be about a hundred and fifty hangers on that try to extract revenue without adding value. as a keen searcher for porn, I can attest to this.

It isnt just internets. the guy that made your shoes got paid a buck out of the $120 you spent on them. all the middle men in the middle got the rest.

the real world isnt fair, economics often does whats convenient, not whats right. While it is possible to set up some sort of content compensation scheme, it likely wont work because a lot of people like what they have now and dont want to pay. Life sucks.

A lot of people would love to get a link to there work on the front page of fark or reddit, traffic is a real commodity that these two provide. Fark even provides a joke. So its not just a one way street.
 
2010-11-01 03:59:43 PM  
While I have nothing substantial to add, I figure this is appropriate enough

i4.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 03:59:44 PM  
you mad?
 
2010-11-01 03:59:44 PM  
Besides, you have to a bit more money if you want *that* kind of recognition...
 
2010-11-01 03:59:46 PM  
ultraholland: HOW IS BLOG TROLLED? HOW DREW GET PAGE VIEWS?

They need to do way instain blogger> who get butthurt.
 
2010-11-01 03:59:51 PM  
As a few people find out. Many heroes, especially performers, can in real life be huge jerks. I'm not sure if John Stewart really knows what Reddit is/did and maybe should not be accountable for a whole network, show, and group of people who did the real work. I know what Reddit did, THANKS REDDIT! Also, I know what fark does so THANKS FARK!
 
2010-11-01 03:59:57 PM  
Somebodies panties are starting to look a bit crinkled. Oh nm that's just your camel toe.
 
2010-11-01 04:00:09 PM  
I was expecting to see Drew's anger justified. Now I'm wondering if he's not a bit of a tool.

What part of that sounded good in your head, sir?
 
2010-11-01 04:00:11 PM  
Alien Robot: danaganooc: Wow, the age old "x steals from Fark". Fark rarely ever hosts original content. Fark is an aggregator. You can't steal material from Fark, since all Fark does is collect its material from the internet. Give it up.

I wonder how much of Fark's original content spills over from 4chan?


Exactly, especially when it comes to memes and 'shoops. Seriously Drew, you're upset that a comedy news show that takes news reported by other shows and makes fun of it is taking ideas from your site, which is based on taking news reported by other websites and making fun of it?

/what has happened to you?
 
2010-11-01 04:00:17 PM  
Whiny biatch.
 
2010-11-01 04:00:24 PM  
Macinfarker: Besides, you have to a bit more money if you want *that* kind of recognition...

you have to pay a bit more....

Krikey I need more caffeine.
 
2010-11-01 04:00:31 PM  
PanicMan: Dude. The whole point of this rally was to stop getting wrapped around the axle about the little stupid things.

I'm a little dissapointed in you.


^^^^^^^^^^
 
2010-11-01 04:00:39 PM  
i789.photobucket.com

i789.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 04:00:43 PM  
ThreeEdgedSword: Milamber1a: miltonbabbitt: Did Drew just give us an epic troll?

damn if this is true, we all took the bait... and HARD.


i41.photobucket.com
 
2010-11-01 04:00:46 PM  
Well hell.

It wasn't a troll.

That's goddamn disappointing.
 
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