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Jon Stewart to Reddit: you don't matter 
Posted by Drew at 2010-11-01 2:41:26 PM, edited 2010-11-01 4:13:48 PM (5914 comments) | Permalink
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Backstory: Reddit has been pushing support for the Stewart/Colbert rally since its inception, possibly since before its inception.



At the Rally For Sanity press conference on Saturday, Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit, asked Stewart and Colbert a question: what role did the Internet play in convincing you to hold this rally? The response: "it didn't hurt."

Question at around 1:40
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-and-stephen-colbert-hold-post-rally-to- re store-sanity-press-conference/

Did you hear that Reddit? All that work you put into getting the word out, organizing meetups, and convincing people to go "didn't hurt". All that initial support in getting the ball rolling on this rally a few months back was great, but it wasn't a factor. Thanks for your meaningless and futile support that Comedy Central really didn't need at the end of the day to get a surprise crowd of 250,000 people to the rally. Did you hear that Internet? You had no role in this either, it was all Comedy Central all the way.

Colbert doesn't get a pass on this either, his "thanks Reddit for raising half a million dollars for our charity but it didn't affect attendence one way or the other" comment is a backhanded compliment at best.

And to say this all live, in a press conference, to the co-founder of a community of millions that did everything in its power to get the word out past its own readers to the greater internet, that is flat out disrespectful and wrong. Alexis is a friend of mine, and he's a super nice guy. He would never dream of saying this to Jon Stewart but I will: you owe Alexis an apology and you owe Reddit an apology. I'll stop short at saying you owe The Internet an apology because honestly I think The Internet owes us all an apology for a number of things, Justin Bieber notwithstanding.

In the clip you'll notice Stewart uses part of his answer to Alexis' question to make the point that Comedy Central had the idea for this rally "months" before Reddit did. Which is really odd considering Alexis didn't ask or imply that Reddit gave Comedy Central the idea for the rally in the first place. Sounds like someone feels a litle guilty about something. Who thought of it first doesn't matter, it is impossible to deny that Reddit's actions encouraged Comedy Central to actually pull the trigger. Except Stewart did, right to Alexis Ohanian's face, in a live press conference.

Why am I so bent about this? First and foremost, because a friend of mine got smacked down on live TV by a guy he helped, and I can't stand by and do nothing about it without at least saying something. But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mentioned Fark on air even one single time. It's the same attitude toward Reddit: "sure doesn't hurt, but not a significant contribution." Thanks to Fark, your writers don't have to go far to fill your shows up with material for you to use. Every writer I've met thanks me vociferously for Fark and tells me how much easier it makes their jobs. Sure that's not worth a daily mention, but I would think at least one in the last 10 years. It has yet to happen. I've learned to live with it, but Alexis is my friend and he does not deserve this kind of treatment. Especially considering the effort Reddit put into promoting the rally.

I'm not implying they owe Reddit or Fark any credit for the success of the Rally, that's definitely not the case. Comedy Central did the bulk of the work, that can't be disputed. This is about common courtesy. If someone does you a favor, a thank you is a kind and appropriate response. In Reddit's case, "it doesn't hurt" is a slap in the face. It discounts all the effort they went through - and they went through a lot. And they weren't the only ones, several other large web communities pitched in as well.

Here's my proposal: Jon Stewart should apologize for discounting the impact that Reddit and other Internet communities had on this rally, or next time The Internet should remember Comedy Central thinks they don't count and should show them what happens when "The Internet" actively works to convince people to not attend. Because if Reddit had put similar effort into convincing people not to attend, the crowd size would have been far smaller than anticipated. And if you don't believe me, let's see how it goes next time if Stewart makes the wrong decision.

PS: pretty sure this post will guarantee that I and/or Fark never get a mention on The Daily Show but that wasn't happening anyhow.
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2010-11-01 03:04:25 PM
Wow, what a steaming pile of shiat.
 
2010-11-01 03:04:45 PM
Did Drew link to the right clip? They seemed genuinely gracious in this clip.
 
2010-11-01 03:04:51 PM
Yes the interweb helps get crowds but remember you are dealing with the huge egos that is Colbert and Stewart who front for a multinational corporation with an even bigger ego. They are going to take all the credit it is what they do. If you don't want this to happen then don't go to a rally that is hosted by a megacorp.
 
2010-11-01 03:04:56 PM
I think this is a combination of a bruised ego leading to manufactured outrage as well as a stunning failure to comprehend the English language.
 
2010-11-01 03:05:06 PM
I've always wondered if the writers are mining material from the tubes...
 
2010-11-01 03:05:23 PM
I don't really have a dog in this fight, so here:

t1.gstatic.com
 
2010-11-01 03:05:27 PM
Tastes Like Chicken: TDS and every morning radio show that ever discusses "funny news stories" should wake up every morning and kiss Drew and the entire Fark community's ass.

Yeah! We post links to news articles that wouldn't exist if Fark didn't link to them! They should give sloppies to all the Farkmins for creating the news every day!
 
2010-11-01 03:05:37 PM
Turing_Machine: This is true. The folks at Comedy Central didn't do enough to actually thank the groups that made this the success it was. I'd imagine that much of that is due to a desire to decouple the message from any particular group which may do something embarrassing in the future, but that's not a good enough reason.

My theory is that the powers-that-be didn't want to thank another media company, in fact the one which stole their CIO just a few months ago. Additionally, there may have been some concern that any credit to any external group would act as some kind of endorsement, which could backfire the next time reddit has a flamewar and the trolls get more attention because they're trolls.

That's my theory, and my hope, because otherwise he's a flaming jerkwad who doesn't get the whole "internet" thing, and seeing how he has mocked GWB's "internets" and Stephens' "tubes", he certainly seems to be in the same league now.


Look at me (behind the screen), I did all this work (without ever getting my fat ass up) and nobody is giving me any credit (for typing and posting furiously).

www.tradebit.com
 
2010-11-01 03:05:39 PM
I has a sad.

Drew just dropped a couple points on my cool-meter.
 
2010-11-01 03:05:43 PM
note to self, do not submit anything from Comedy Central. as it is sure to not go green



/the butthurt is strong
 
2010-11-01 03:06:00 PM
Step 1 - create something.
Step 2 - get eaten by that something.
Step 3 - profit?
 
2010-11-01 03:06:20 PM
When I was in high school, my latin/philosophy teacher would share bizarre news stories with the class on Fridays before we took an exam.

Drew, I think you owe Mr. Burr an apology for stealing his idea and not giving him credit.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:23 PM
chimp_ninja: But also because Daily Show writers have been doing essentially the same thing to me, every single day for the past 10 years. They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mention Fark on air even one single time.

If they share Jon Stewart's mindset about media (traditional and otherwise) creating hostility and division with intentionally troll-ish headlines, Fark's recent turn for the worse in this regard may not sit that well with them.


Yup.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:23 PM
SlightlyShotgunned: I think Drew raises a valid point.

/Farker for 6 years, Redditor for 2


You don't get it yet, do you? Drew just went full retard, taking offense at a compliment by failing to understand it.

If he has any sense, he will post an Emily Littela pic, and fast.

/otherwise, he didn't just jump the shark, he farked it
 
2010-11-01 03:06:35 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Saying it didn't hurt is a far cry from saying it didn't matter. Jesus Christ that's a lotta manufactured outrage.

camel.ethereal.net
 
2010-11-01 03:06:37 PM
ultraholland: I've always wondered if the writers are mining material from the tubes...

There are fairly infrequent whining threads on TF where a lot of them complain that their jokes are stolen.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:37 PM
Maybe if you were at the press conference and asked the question you'd like, and worded it properly he'd have given proper credit the way you wanted. Come to think of it, he seems to be a busy man. I'm not sure fark or the egos behind it places high on his list of people who actually matter.

I'm not sure where the 'smack down' comes from.
She asked a question asking for a cookie. She got a cookie. It wasn't as big as you'd like, maybe?
Why not hold your own rally and get 200,000 people to it.

I see your point of view but I don't see where the anger comes from. Sorry. The rally seemed like a pretty good thing. Let it stand.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:39 PM
The hivemind is angry.

fyi people shouldn't do things to get shout outs or credit.....
 
2010-11-01 03:06:41 PM
hinten: Now I understand why all Rally related submissions are tossed.


They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mention Fark on air even one single time.

Also, who posts Daily Show content and links to articles related to the Daily Show almost on a daily basis and benefits from it?


When Fark links to TSD, TSD gets full credit and recognition for it. Everyone who watches the video knows that they are watching TSD, everyone is giving TSD's website a hit, and some will consider becoming regular TSD viewers.

When TSD takes a link they found on Fark, nobody knows except the writer.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:48 PM
JerseyTim: Did Drew link to the right clip? They seemed genuinely gracious in this clip.

My sentiments exactly. Drew, I am disappoint.
 
2010-11-01 03:06:53 PM
I'll give Reddit credit for my hangover, does that help?
 
2010-11-01 03:07:08 PM
I just watched the video, and what the two guys said there had a bit more nuance that what Drew wrote, I found... ok, from their point of view, they were already thinking of having such a rally, then that one girl posted in Reddit that she had that idea, and it snowballed into support that they realized "oh, there's a chance we'd get people to show up at our rally after all".

Actually, the show wasn't 100% that good anyway, a lot of it sucked: who cares about The Roots or Mythbusters when what they're there to see is Stewart and Colbert. Some of the acts I've forgotten already, my mind tuned out when Sheryl Crow was on stage. Why was she there at all?

Maybe for the next rally they should get Redditors to post programme ideas, so they can steal that too.

Stewart's speech at the end was great though, and I thought about FARK and how it/they/we mock mainstream media "news" during it.
 
2010-11-01 03:07:29 PM
GaryPDX: What is a Reddit?

Sort of like Fark's younger brother who's still in college. I think.
 
2010-11-01 03:07:30 PM
Comedic understatement.
 
2010-11-01 03:07:35 PM
What's Reddit?
 
2010-11-01 03:07:36 PM
WTF is a "reddit"?
 
2010-11-01 03:07:42 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Saying it didn't hurt is a far cry from saying it didn't matter. Jesus Christ that's a lotta manufactured outrage.

THIS!

Seriously, how was that a farking slap in the face? Because John Stewart didn't bend over backwards and kiss your friend's ass giving him extensive credit of the rally it all of a sudden becomes a "slap in the face". Sounds more like you want to give your friend all of the credit ignorring the contributions of many others which led to its success.

The rally wasn't about you, your friend, Stewart, or Colbert. One thing the rally was against though was "fabricated outrage" like you have. Hypocrite.
 
2010-11-01 03:07:52 PM
it's already been said, but "you'll get over it," "sounds like someone's butthurt over this," and "someone call the WHAAAAAMBULANCE!"

Seriously Drew, did you think you were going to get support from us Farkers that actually sit and listen to things? How about the other way around, you apologize for us for the douchie blog.
 
2010-11-01 03:07:55 PM
They were gracious and kind. Drew is being foolish.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:02 PM
On a tangent, I think the "importance" of Stewart and Colbert is way overblown. They're just TV entertainers like the rest of Hollywood.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:22 PM
Wow, really Drew? Really?

Really?

Did some of the stuff Stewart said hit close to home or something?
 
2010-11-01 03:08:36 PM
I found out about the rally on Comedy Central.
My friends found out about it from Comedy Central and Facebook.
My Australian friends found out about it from the internet.

In my admittedly little circle, nobody found out from Fark or Reddit. I would be quite interested in knowing numbers though.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:37 PM
danaganooc: Wow, the age old "x steals from Fark". Fark rarely ever hosts original content. Fark is an aggregator. You can't steal material from Fark, since all Fark does is collect its material from the internet. Give it up.

No, it's US, lovely Farker. We're like a fountain of comic wisdom. Comedy writers who are in a coma of unfunniness scroll through our threads so they can keep their jobs. We do it all, for free.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:45 PM
Don't show emotion, Drew. Farkers can smell the butthurt all the way from the Video tab.

You're the fearless leader. You don't need to post things like this.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:46 PM
harryjrf: On a tangent, I think the "importance" of Stewart and Colbert is way overblown. They're just TV entertainers like the rest of Hollywood.

They broadcast from New York.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:55 PM
-shrug-

Fired off a copy to TDS. Not holding my breath.


/ uh, who're we supposed to cheer for if Jon and Drew get into it?
 
2010-11-01 03:08:57 PM
i55.tinypic.com


/Kidding! I don't vote.
 
2010-11-01 03:08:59 PM
Oh god Drew, get the fark over it. You're not that important. The culmination of your life's "work" is not that important. Two people who have much more demanding jobs than you who have paid sponsorship from someone else didn't give your buddy a shout out? How delusional are you? You wrote a book about how shiat like this works. Quit whining.
 
2010-11-01 03:09:21 PM
JW: ... uh, wtf, Drew?

Q: "Hi I'm from Reddit"

Colbert: Reddit did an awesome job, thanks for the donation, it was hugely significant, a half a million, great job.

Q: "Oh, thanks. What role did the internet have in convincing you to hold the rally."

Stewart: "uh, well, none actually, I mean, we had the idea and even had paperwork in long before it started up online"

Colbert: "yeah, we were in before you guys were on, but once you guys were on it was a great validation of the whole thing, it made us feel like we weren't crazy."

Stewart: "yeah, exactly, it didn't hurt" (obviously joking)

... This is an insult? Really?

What crawdaddy said. The question was specifically "did our efforts convince you to hold the rally" and the answer was an honest, well, no we were going to do it anyhow but we were really happy with the way it immediately got picked up once word got out.

How is that a slight? Man it seemed genuinely appreciative to me, and Colbert even seemed humbled by the donation bit.


Context FTW.
 
2010-11-01 03:09:56 PM
someguy945: hinten: Now I understand why all Rally related submissions are tossed.


They use Fark every day to source material, and haven't mention Fark on air even one single time.

Also, who posts Daily Show content and links to articles related to the Daily Show almost on a daily basis and benefits from it?

When Fark links to TSD, TSD gets full credit and recognition for it. Everyone who watches the video knows that they are watching TSD, everyone is giving TSD's website a hit, and some will consider becoming regular TSD viewers.

When TSD takes a link they found on Fark, nobody knows except the writer.


TSD?
 
2010-11-01 03:10:03 PM
Anti_illuminati: SlightlyShotgunned: I think Drew raises a valid point.

/Farker for 6 years, Redditor for 2

That didn't give you any credibility in the matter. But nice try.


Yeah, exactly. You have to be here at LEAST 8 years to have any credibility in this matter!

...

Drew does raise a valid point, but it sounds like he may be overstating. Of course, when you see the $$$'s that the comedy shows bring in and they're constantly using your headlines/from your website, you might be a little butthurt after 10 years too.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:05 PM
I seem to remember reading something about how the media tries to pass crap off as news. Drew? Seriously? Man the f*ck up.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:06 PM
I dunno, it's his job to be ironic and all. . .

.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:12 PM
Did Drew just give us an epic troll?
 
2010-11-01 03:10:18 PM
Hey, Fark, welcome to Fark.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:31 PM
Green Lantern held a rally?
 
2010-11-01 03:10:41 PM
Sad and pathetic. Just like the rally.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:43 PM
Too soothe the pain why don't you go give some more links to G4TV or whoever is stroking your ego this week Drew.

This place is rapdily turning to shiat.
 
2010-11-01 03:10:46 PM
miltonbabbitt: Did Drew just give us an epic troll?

Wondering the same thing ...
 
2010-11-01 03:10:52 PM
Crockett: JW: ... uh, wtf, Drew?

Q: "Hi I'm from Reddit"

Colbert: Reddit did an awesome job, thanks for the donation, it was hugely significant, a half a million, great job.

Q: "Oh, thanks. What role did the internet have in convincing you to hold the rally."

Stewart: "uh, well, none actually, I mean, we had the idea and even had paperwork in long before it started up online"

Colbert: "yeah, we were in before you guys were on, but once you guys were on it was a great validation of the whole thing, it made us feel like we weren't crazy."

Stewart: "yeah, exactly, it didn't hurt" (obviously joking)

... This is an insult? Really?

What crawdaddy said. The question was specifically "did our efforts convince you to hold the rally" and the answer was an honest, well, no we were going to do it anyhow but we were really happy with the way it immediately got picked up once word got out.

How is that a slight? Man it seemed genuinely appreciative to me, and Colbert even seemed humbled by the donation bit.

Context FTW.


This, that and those.

I find a greasy burger makes my hangover feel better...who farted y'all?
 
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