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2010-10-30 01:45:02 AM  
zepillin: Community Development Act of 1974

Hummm...That would have been Jerry Ford. Jimmy Carter was elected in November of 1976,
 
2010-10-30 01:46:31 AM  
ambercat: Yes, why should society stop at giving them a house? If they don't feel like they can be bothered, neighbors should volunteer to mow their lawns for them, pick up the garbage in their yard, maybe come in and make sure the mess inside the house isn't attracting pests, either. It's the duty of the motivated to take care of the motivationally-challanged, after all. Not doing so would make you a big fat meanie!

It's not about that at all.

Your neighbor's property, what he does in it and what he does with it, is his business. If you want to control the effects you believe it has on you and your property, you have to take the initiative to do something about it, rather than sitting there biatching that you wish your neighbor chose a course of action that would benefit you.

You are not responsible for your neighbor's property - that's absolutely true. However, your neighbor is also not responsible for your property. If your neighbor doesn't give a crap for your property or his, but you do give a crap, you can either step up and fix the problem or sit back and biatch about it and wish that someone else - your neighbor - would do something.

If mowing your neighbor's lawn would benefit you, do it, or shut up. If helping your neighbor paint his house would benefit you, do it, or shut up. Your shoulds and coulds and ought tos aren't doing a damn thing to benefit your actual, real situation.

Life ain't fair. YOu may wish it would be different. You may wish your neighbor did things as you would have them done. Well, tough. Wish in one hand and shiat in the other, and see which one fills up faster.
 
2010-10-30 01:46:39 AM  
Big Al: Shallowness comes from broken homes whether wealthy or poor. Usually on the wealthy side from parents who never showed affection because they were too busy jet setting and leaving their kids to be brought up by the maid. That's still a broken home. Ghetto's don't have a monopoly on bad parenting.

I know plenty of people from families where the parents are scheduled to have 50 yr anniversaries. Solid, middle class folks, not jet-setters by any means, and their kids are 100% whores to materialism/looks/shallow shiat.

You don't need to appeal to Freudian theories about misplaced parenting to see that humans are focused on the material present. Philosophers maundered about it thousands of years before people even came up with the concept of "broken home".

But that's somewhat offtopic to section 8 housing. Shallowness and materialism in that situation brings its own immediate punishment.
 
2010-10-30 01:54:09 AM  
fanbladesaresharp: Aside from who has the nicest house, on the choice blocks, everything still needs maintenance. Shiat wears down and breaks. The sun is hell on anything plastic or rubber. Rain makes wood rot eventually. Cold splits pipes. Wind, weather, throws all sorts of hell at homes. Bugs. There are people that simply can't do the maintenance, and people that just blow it off.

This was my original point. The woman in the article makes $10.50 per hour. Can this person afford to maintain a single family dwelling? No.

When a person or persons who can't afford the upkeep of a home move into a neighborhood, the property values of that neighborhood will go down as the surrounding lots become more and more unkempt.

Should the maintenance of the lot be kept up by the landlord? By all means

Will the maintenance of the lot be kept up by the landlord? In many cases, no.

Fair or not, this is reality.
 
2010-10-30 01:57:18 AM  
Devil's Playground: zepillin: Community Development Act of 1974

Hummm...That would have been Jerry Ford. Jimmy Carter was elected in November of 1976,


Or even Nixon!

Wikipedia says he's a commie:

The most immediate task facing President Nixon was a resolution of the Vietnam War. He initially escalated the conflict, overseeing incursions into neighboring countries, though American military personnel were gradually withdrawn and he successfully negotiated a ceasefire with North Vietnam in 1973, effectively ending American involvement in the war. His foreign policy initiatives were largely successful: his groundbreaking visit to the People's Republic of China in 1972 opened diplomatic relations between the two nations, and he initiated détente and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union. On the domestic front, he implemented the concept of New Federalism, transferring power from the federal government to the states; new economic policies which called for wage and price control and the abolition of the gold standard; sweeping environmental reforms, including the Clean Air Act and creation of the EPA; the launch of the War on Cancer and War on Drugs; reforms empowering women, including Title IX; and the desegregation of schools in the deep South. He was reelected by a landslide in 1972. He continued many reforms in his second term, though the nation was afflicted with an energy crisis. In the face of likely impeachment for his role in the Watergate scandal,[1] Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974. He was later pardoned by his successor, Gerald Ford, for any federal crimes he may have committed while in office.

When was the Community Development Act signed into law?
 
2010-10-30 01:59:28 AM  
Big Al: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom [TotalFark] Quote 2010-10-30 01:19:50 AM
Whatever happened to that "Back to Africa" movement? Can we get that going again? How about a "Back to Mexico" thing too, just for good measure?

>>>>


Going to pick your own produce and clean your own toilets at work?


I'd be happy to, I cleaned bathrooms and docked boats working my way through college. Don't let me go 1858 Remington on your ass.
 
2010-10-30 02:00:50 AM  
Devil's Playground: Should the maintenance of the lot be kept up by the landlord? By all means

Will the maintenance of the lot be kept up by the landlord? In many cases, no.

Fair or not, this is reality.


And this is why those sorts of landlords get the title of "slumlord".

In a fair and equitable world, the quality of the housing would be commensurate with the residents' ability to maintain it. But it's not a perfect world, so we get skeevy renters and the slumlords that get their rents.

/mmmm roaches.
 
2010-10-30 02:03:10 AM  
Gyrfalcon: Whimper...whimper..whine...whine...whimper...

Jesus, dude. In what manner am I whimpering or whining?

I am proud of what I have accomplished. I have no reason whatsoever to whimper or whine.

Those who think that because I have worked my way out of poverty and now have more than them and should have to give a share of that to them? That's whimpering and whining.

Again, look it up.

Dictionaries are very cool tools. Maybe you should buy one.
 
2010-10-30 02:07:15 AM  
Bonzo_1116 Quote 2010-10-30 01:46:39 AM

I know plenty of people from families where the parents are scheduled to have 50 yr anniversaries. Solid, middle class folks, not jet-setters by any means, and their kids are 100% whores to materialism/looks/shallow shiat.

>>>>

There's more to the story than that. And I know there are examples in there. You just have to dig sometimes to find them. Parents not giving affection, especially when you have younger siblings. Mom married dad for his money in the first place. Etc.
 
2010-10-30 02:07:55 AM  
ah, Nixon
that was some fun
those were the days my friend
couldn't have done it all without him!
 
2010-10-30 02:09:06 AM  
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: IgG4, I think you raise valid concerns, but there is another side to it too:

If Section 8 is the only way to make the property affordable, you're at least getting *someone* in the property which means you'll keep a good roof on it and so forth. Otherwise, the property might become abandoned housing, turn into an eyesore, and drag down property values.

Moreover, a lot of lower-income people don't care for their housing stock because of rational-choice economics: either they didn't own the house and it wasn't profitable to do so or because if they did own their housing, neighbors didn't care for their property so they didn't get a return on their investment the same way that a family in a middle-class neighborhood gets a return on their investment. This, in turn, creates a culture of not taking care of property.

Living in a nice neighborhood might help to socialize the people, or at least their children, into breaking the cycle. If you're a kid, and you grow up in a place where everyone takes care of their lawn, you're going to grow up to take care of your lawn *even if you don't get a return on it* but merely as a point of pride.


You sound fat and really, really white.
 
2010-10-30 02:09:34 AM  
zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?


1974? That was Nixon.
 
2010-10-30 02:12:11 AM  
Bonzo_1116: And this is why those sorts of landlords get the title of "slumlord".

I agree. There are concerned landlords, and there are slumlords. The fact of the matter is that there are slumlords, and when one of them owns the property next to yours, you are screwed.

I am a building design professional by trade, and there are numerous code books that govern the construction of new, or alteration of existing, properties. However these do not include existing properties that are not altered. Having worked in the property maintenance field before, I can assure you that slumlords will pay someone under the table if they need an "alteration" to their property but don't want to have to conform to modern standards.

Again, fair or not, this is reality.
 
2010-10-30 02:15:29 AM  
Big Al:
There's more to the story than that. And I know there are examples in there. You just have to dig sometimes to find them. Parents not giving affection, especially when you have younger siblings. Mom married dad for his money in the first place. Etc.


That's just people being assholes. "Broken Home" typically means ugly divorce, dad beats mom, mommy drinks, parent in prison sort of thing.

"Daddy didn't love me" doesn't make a broken home, that makes Woody Allen movie scripts and weepy-ass 70's radio hits.
 
2010-10-30 02:16:22 AM  
Bonzo_1116: When was the Community Development Act signed into law?

August 22nd, 1974

Nixon resigned August 8th, 1974. Jerry Ford Signed it into law.
 
2010-10-30 02:20:00 AM  
Devil's Playground: Bonzo_1116: When was the Community Development Act signed into law?

August 22nd, 1974

Nixon resigned August 8th, 1974. Jerry Ford Signed it into law.


Section 8 would never ever fly now if they tried to pass it fresh.

Unless they packaged it as a tax break for property owners and prop. management companies.
 
2010-10-30 02:22:31 AM  
cmb53208: zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?

1974? That was Nixon.


figured it was most likely a republican pres
just giving the benefit of doubt
they confuse me sometimes, these republicans
all ways complaining about their own stuff, mostly
oh, well
 
2010-10-30 02:24:24 AM  
Bonzo_1116: Devil's Playground: Bonzo_1116: When was the Community Development Act signed into law?

August 22nd, 1974

Nixon resigned August 8th, 1974. Jerry Ford Signed it into law.

Section 8 would never ever fly now if they tried to pass it fresh.

Unless they packaged it as a tax break for property owners and prop. management companies.


Obfuscate much?

You have totally deviated from the orriginal conversation, therefor your hair is a bird..
 
2010-10-30 02:30:26 AM  
Bonzo_1116 Quote 2010-10-30 02:15:29 AM

That's just people being assholes. "Broken Home" typically means ugly divorce, dad beats mom, mommy drinks, parent in prison sort of thing.

"Daddy didn't love me" doesn't make a broken home, that makes Woody Allen movie scripts and weepy-ass 70's radio hits.

>>>>

Not at all. You seem to underestimate the need for parental love during child development. You think its a coincidence all the hardass violence is my way of punishing you dads bring up mentally farked up kids?
 
2010-10-30 02:31:08 AM  
zepillin: all ways complaining about their own stuff, mostly

Like the EPA, which Nixon started.
 
2010-10-30 02:31:25 AM  
Devil's Playground: Bonzo_1116: Devil's Playground: Bonzo_1116: When was the Community Development Act signed into law?

August 22nd, 1974

Nixon resigned August 8th, 1974. Jerry Ford Signed it into law.

Section 8 would never ever fly now if they tried to pass it fresh.

Unless they packaged it as a tax break for property owners and prop. management companies.

Obfuscate much?

You have totally deviated from the orriginal conversation, therefor your hair is a bird..


Oh totally. But at least the CDA is the law with section 8 in it, so it's sorta germane to the topic.

I wasn't sure if it was Nixon or Ford that signed it. I got as far as the Wikipedia for Nixon and high-centered. It amazes me the stuff that got pushed through Congress in the 70's--As much as people bag on the era for being an ugly pile of polyester, big changes were afoot.
 
2010-10-30 02:31:32 AM  
zepillin Quote 2010-10-30 02:22:31 AM

figured it was most likely a republican pres
just giving the benefit of doubt
they confuse me sometimes, these republicans
all ways complaining about their own stuff, mostly
oh, well

>>>>

First of all you spelled zeppelin wrong, and secondly, Nixon did that great society stuff because he was desperate for votes when most of America hated his war mongering.
 
2010-10-30 02:34:56 AM  
cmb53208: zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?

1974? That was Nixon.


He was the most liberal President we've had since LBJ.
 
2010-10-30 02:35:54 AM  
Big Al: Not at all. You seem to underestimate the need for parental love during child development. You think its a coincidence all the hardass violence is my way of punishing you dads bring up mentally farked up kids?


Is babby sorry for your lots?
 
2010-10-30 02:36:22 AM  
Big Al: zepillin Quote 2010-10-30 02:22:31 AM

figured it was most likely a republican pres
just giving the benefit of doubt
they confuse me sometimes, these republicans
all ways complaining about their own stuff, mostly
oh, well

>>>>

First of all you spelled zeppelin wrong, and secondly, Nixon did that great society stuff because he was desperate for votes when most of America hated his war mongering.


I see you are mono lingual, as well as mono cultured
 
2010-10-30 02:37:10 AM  
Bonzo_1116: It amazes me the stuff that got pushed through Congress in the 70's

On the legislative side, CDA and CRA, on the policy side, EPA, OSHA, Consumer Product Safety Commission.
 
2010-10-30 02:41:16 AM  
Bonzo_1116 Quote 2010-10-30 02:35:54 AM

Is babby sorry for your lots?

>>>>

I have no emotional flaws I am a perfect being.
 
2010-10-30 02:41:31 AM  
Outshined_One: cmb53208: zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?

1974? That was Nixon.

He was the most liberal President we've had since LBJ.


in retrospect, I kinda like Nixon
sure was entertaining and a great
Halloween mask to boot
 
2010-10-30 02:44:03 AM  
zepillin: cmb53208: zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?

1974? That was Nixon.

figured it was most likely a republican pres
just giving the benefit of doubt
they confuse me sometimes, these republicans
all ways complaining about their own stuff, mostly
oh, well


Actually correction: Nixon resigned a couple of weeks before this was signed; Gerald Ford actually signed it. Wrong Republican, sorry.
 
2010-10-30 02:46:40 AM  
Bonzo_1116: Big Al: Not at all. You seem to underestimate the need for parental love during child development. You think its a coincidence all the hardass violence is my way of punishing you dads bring up mentally farked up kids?


Is babby sorry for your lots?


I just pushed liquid through my nose onto my keyboard. Somehow you are responsible for that.
Pay me!
 
2010-10-30 02:46:53 AM  
Big Al: Bonzo_1116 Quote 2010-10-30 02:35:54 AM

Is babby sorry for your lots?

>>>>

I have no emotional flaws I am a perfect being.


Me too, it's all good.
 
2010-10-30 02:52:04 AM  
So she makes 10 bucks an hour and lives in a place that costs $1400 in rent....Wow
 
2010-10-30 02:53:52 AM  
meat0918: And while it isn't as much an issue in Nevada, realize that in many places, valuable farmland was turned into subdivisions miles from any sort of services or shopping.

Farmland? LOL! Good one! What did they grow? Cactus?

All that land was Federal Bureau land prior to be parceled off to scuzzy land developers.
 
2010-10-30 02:55:53 AM  
zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?


Actually, Richard Nixon approved Section 8. In theory, Section 8 gives tenants better housing than the housing projects, at lower cost to the government and with fewer negative impacts on the surrounding community. In practice, Section 8 took money out of the control of the big-city Democratic machines who administered public housing and work away from unions.

They didn't call him "Tricky Dick" for nothing.
 
2010-10-30 03:03:09 AM  
Yamaneko2: zepillin: In the 1970s, when studies showed that the worst housing problem afflicting low-income people was no longer substandard housing, but the high percentage of income spent on housing, Congress passed the Housing and Community Development Act of 1974, further amending the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 to create the Section 8 Program. In the Section 8 Program, tenants pay about 30 percent of their income for rent, while the rest of the rent is paid with federal money

obama/obama/obama

hummm, maybe it was carter?

Actually, Richard Nixon approved Section 8. In theory, Section 8 gives tenants better housing than the housing projects, at lower cost to the government and with fewer negative impacts on the surrounding community. In practice, Section 8 took money out of the control of the big-city Democratic machines who administered public housing and work away from unions.

They didn't call him "Tricky Dick" for nothing.


cool, sounds about right to me
good annalist
is that spell check right?
sounds like a third grade kiss
Anna List
 
2010-10-30 03:03:30 AM  
Bonzo_1116: Oh totally. But at least the CDA is the law with section 8 in it, so it's sorta germane to the topic.

Yes, It is germane to the topic as it has evolved_

Your response to my original comment was a bit out of context, so I was a bit confused, Vodka with a wine chaser will do that for you.

The 70's changed things considerably for this country. Good, bad, or indifferent, things changed,
 
2010-10-30 03:06:11 AM  
maxx2112: / hot

The fact is, it's not healthy for society when half the population has no skin in the game.
 
2010-10-30 03:19:50 AM  
America.

Keep it or LEAVE it!

Really, if you WANT Eurosociaism WhyTF don't you just MOVE there?

Asshole.
 
2010-10-30 03:39:07 AM  
RockIsDead: Really, if you WANT Eurosociaism WhyTF don't you just MOVE there?

Your point of view works only so long as you disagree with those who say the United States is founded on Christian principles as well.
 
2010-10-30 03:44:45 AM  
IgG4: I had some section 8 renters next to me for a while, it was a freaking nightmare. You take people who have lived for generations in rental apartments into a single family home and you immediately run into maintenance issues like lawns not getting mowed and sidewalks not getting shoveled, then the housing stock degrades because bigger ticket items like painting and roofing don't get done. The people next to me didn't realize they had to pay a water bill and eventually got their water cut off. If these properties are well managed it wouldn't be a problem, but usually these houses are either owned by banks or slumlords, neither of which really give a shiat about maintenance.

Better (property-value-wise) than living next to an abandoned (large) house. Trust me, I know of what I speak.
 
2010-10-30 03:59:58 AM  
lucksi: So she makes 10 bucks an hour and lives in a place that costs $1400 in rent....Wow

Here's how the math works. Executive summary: the landlord neglects the property and overcharges the government, which is too distracted to audit. FTFA:

"Last year, Davtyan, who rents to Section 8 tenants, paid $60,000 in cash for a four-bedroom house in North Las Vegas. He charges rent of $1,436 each month, giving him a profit of about $15,000 per year after insurance and property taxes, he says. He also paid $60,000 for a six-bedroom house in central Las Vegas 18 months ago that once commanded nearly $300,000. It rents for nearly $1,700 a month."

First, it appears that the Section 8 office in Las Vegas is not doing a very good job of checking up on its landlords. Mr. Davtyan charges rent of $17,232/year. House insurance is $250/year on a home that costs $192,000 to replace. Property taxes (http://www.accessclarkcounty.com/depts/assessor/pages/Taxrated.aspx) in the City of Las Vegas are $3.2866 per $100; a $60,000 home would generate a property tax bill of $1,972. So, $17,232 - $1,972 - $250 = $15,010. The only way to make Davtyan's numbers work out is to neglect the property and "forget" to pay the insurance.

Second, Uncle Sam really needs to audit the landlords, who are charging rates far higher than the market justifies. The most expensive three-bedroom townhouse listed on rentalhomesplus.com in metro Las Vegas is $1,100. In fact, one nice unit (3 bed, 2 bath, granite countertops, community has pool and clubhouse) in Las Vegas goes for $700; Ms. Newburn could live there without subsidy and pay the same rent if they'd let her.
 
2010-10-30 04:04:20 AM  
It's all a scam, house flippers got addicted to cash and now do anything to make extra money again. This is what happens when we let low wage workers take over important jobs at banks and government services.
 
Ral
2010-10-30 04:11:00 AM  
Hobodeluxe: and really those "yards" that come with those McMansions only take 5-10 min or so to knock out.

Came here to say this. I don't know about other parts of the country, but in my area, if a house like that even has a yard, it's only going to be about 200 sq ft (and yes I do mean 20x10'). The lot is the most expensive part of a home here, and if the house is recently constructed, they usually build it right up to the property line.

This is pretty typical:

www.landscapearizona.com
 
2010-10-30 04:12:21 AM  
Newburn can thank the housing bust. She participates in a government
 
2010-10-30 04:41:03 AM  
Welcome to California:

farm5.static.flickr.com

Tamer Picture, more un-published.
 
2010-10-30 05:00:08 AM  
Nabb1: That sound you hear is the property value of everyone else's house in the neighborhood plummeting towards the center of the earth.


So farking what?
The only three times the "property value" of a house should be of concern is when it's purchased, at tax time, and when it's sold. A house is meant to live in, not as a short term investment. If someone borrows against the "value" of their house to buy sh*t they don't need, and later that "value" decreases, then that's their farking tough motherfarking luck. They should have lived within their farking paycheck.

Fark them raw with a rusty baseball bat covered in glue and rolled in sand, gravel and broken glass.
 
2010-10-30 05:02:44 AM  
Bonzo_1116: Big Al:
There's more to the story than that. And I know there are examples in there. You just have to dig sometimes to find them. Parents not giving affection, especially when you have younger siblings. Mom married dad for his money in the first place. Etc.

That's just people being assholes. "Broken Home" typically means ugly divorce, dad beats mom, mommy drinks, parent in prison sort of thing.

"Daddy didn't love me" doesn't make a broken home, that makes Woody Allen movie scripts and weepy-ass 70's radio hits.


Woody Allen and worrying about your shiatty childhood, just makes you a pussy.

You think the Mexican gangbangers who are beheading people and outright executing government officials give a shiat.
 
2010-10-30 05:25:37 AM  
cig-mkr: My question is this: Why does the government feel that everyone deserves or is entitled to live in a house?
Let's be honest, not everyone should be in a house because they couldn't care less about the apperance of the home, lawn, neighborhood, or vehicles they drive.
I've lived in neighborhoods that also had section 8 homes too, and they just drove down the 'hood and property values.
Another thought, how do the HOA's cope with section 8 homeowners?


Let me in on a little secret: People don't care about what they don't own.

It's not "their" house, "their" lawn, or "their" neighborhood. None of it is "theirs". The landlord is supposed to take care of any maintenance issues, because it's "their" house. You want me to maintain the property I rent from you? Reduce my rent by the amount it would cost you to hire someone to do that and put the clause in the lease. I work to maintain what's mine, not what's yours. I'm not going to trash it, because I wasn't raised like that, but if you want me to work on your house you make it worth my time.

The car was probably a piece of sh*t when they bought it, because that's what poor people can afford. Funny how that works.

In this, the richest nation on the planet, no one should be without a roof over their heads. Period.

Oh, and fark your "property values" too.
 
2010-10-30 05:29:55 AM  
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: People don't care about what they don't own.

/FTFM
 
2010-10-30 07:46:47 AM  
rewind2846: So farking what? The only three times the "property value" of a house should be of concern is when it's purchased, at tax time, and when it's sold. A house is meant to live in, not as a short term investment.

Yea, I love to hear people whining about "property values" like they're Donald Trump or something, flipping real estate daily. Unless you're looking to sell your house tomorrow, who cares if your neighbor has a car up on blocks in his front lawn? IT'S HIS LAWN.
 
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