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(NPR)   Arizona's "immigration" law that locks people up for failure to produce 'ze papers'? Written and even named by a consortium of private prison contractors in conjunction with R.J. Reynolds., ExxonMobil and the NRA   (npr.org) divider line 309
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2010-10-28 08:20:43 AM  
Great. Another way to siphon money off of the government. Who says teabaggers are against welfare?

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2010-10-28 08:26:06 AM  
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military prison-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
 
2010-10-28 08:45:01 AM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Great. Another way to siphon money off of the government. Who says teabaggers are against welfare?

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BUT ZOMG MESSICANS!!!!! ANCHOR BABIES!!!! OUR JERBS!!!!
 
2010-10-28 08:53:00 AM  
UNC_Samurai: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military prison-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

This. I wonder if how much these entities are involved in the California marijuana proposition.
 
2010-10-28 09:23:18 AM  
ne2d: UNC_Samurai: In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military prison-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

This. I wonder if how much these entities are involved in the California marijuana proposition.


They're just being forward-thinking: they can fight it for a while, but some day pot will be legal. What are they going to do with all those prisons then?
 
2010-10-28 09:27:36 AM  
 
2010-10-28 09:58:38 AM  
As usual, republicans and big business working together to treat the American tax payer like a huge cash machine.

Anyone who actually believes that Republicans are really for smaller government or lower taxes is an utter fool.
 
2010-10-28 10:51:55 AM  
IgG4: As usual, republicans and big business working together to treat the American tax payer like a huge cash machine.

Anyone who actually believes that Republicans are really for smaller government or lower taxes is an utter fool.


Or wealthy, you can't forget about them. The Republicans certainly believe in lower taxes for some.
 
2010-10-28 11:14:37 AM  
Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.
 
2010-10-28 11:31:31 AM  
we have a similar problem here in Pennsylvania, the companies that run the private prisons have been caught giving cops and judges kickbacks for higher conviction rates.
 
2010-10-28 11:38:43 AM  
Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

Just like health care.
 
2010-10-28 11:43:07 AM  
Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

you should take a look into how privately run prisons lobby for stricter laws and longer jail terms. it's an interesting confluence of law, legislators and authoritarian philosophies.
 
2010-10-28 11:44:18 AM  
Weaver95: Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

you should take a look into how privately run prisons lobby for stricter laws and longer jail terms. it's an interesting confluence of law, legislators and authoritarian philosophies. money & power.
 
2010-10-28 12:08:39 PM  
FTA:

The law is being challenged in the courts. But if it's upheld, it requires police to lock up anyone they stop who cannot show proof they entered the country legally.

Completely untrue, but it's what the opponents of the law want everyone to think. So much for NPR being "objective".
 
2010-10-28 12:09:24 PM  
Fair and balanced reporting from NPR, huh.
 
2010-10-28 12:10:12 PM  
I'm sure we will have a good debate about the influence that major corporations and lobbying groups have on our judicial system, and whether or not their profit motive should even be a factor at all when it comes to national security, border control, and immigration policy, and the Constitutional rights of American citizens.

Oh, who am I kidding. We'll just see people shouting at eachother about "WHY DO YOU SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" "WHY ARE ALL OF YOU RACISTS"
 
2010-10-28 12:15:05 PM  
Cataholic: Completely untrue

Yes it is. Papers "assume" residency. Read the farker sometime.
 
2010-10-28 12:22:44 PM  
text of the bill (new window)
 
2010-10-28 12:40:05 PM  
I love Arizona it's beautiful the girl keeps hinting that she wants me to move out there with her.

But politically it's tard central.
 
2010-10-28 01:05:57 PM  
This is old news...brought up days before an election. Hmmm.
 
2010-10-28 01:13:18 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Great. Another way to siphon money off of the government. Who says teabaggers are against welfare?

.


It's corporate welfare. So it's OK.
 
2010-10-28 01:14:38 PM  
Cataholic: FTA:

The law is being challenged in the courts. But if it's upheld, it requires police to lock up anyone they stop who cannot show proof they entered the country legally.

Completely untrue, but it's what the opponents of the law want everyone to think. So much for NPR being "objective".


So what do they do if they find someone undocumented?
 
2010-10-28 01:30:58 PM  
The corporations won about 30 years ago but most people are just now waking up.
 
2010-10-28 01:34:37 PM  
Yeah, but NPR has no problem with a socialist organization writing the universal healthcare bill.
 
2010-10-28 01:34:51 PM  
I posted this link a few minutes ago on my 'social network that is not to be named' page.

Weeners?

"I can't trust NPR anymore, lol"

Goddammitsomuch.
 
2010-10-28 01:34:59 PM  
I would actually like to move to Arizona and become a cop, then harass old white folk constantly for their papers.
 
2010-10-28 01:35:26 PM  
ah crap.

filter pwned. You know what I meant.
 
2010-10-28 01:36:01 PM  
DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Why are you linking to an unamended bill?
 
2010-10-28 01:36:25 PM  
The hippies were right, this country is turning into a prison state. But its in Arizona, who in the world would want to live there anyways, with that level of blatant xenophobia and stupidity. Either their a good proportion of their public are stupid and lazy, or they agree with these crazy laws. Either way, I hope they enjoy.
 
2010-10-28 01:36:49 PM  
The law could send hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to prison in a way never done before. And it could mean hundreds of millions of dollars in profits to private prison companies responsible for housing them.

And guess who pays those millions of dollars? LOL. Have fun with your new law, taxpayers.
 
2010-10-28 01:36:55 PM  
I'm all for the NRA lobbying for violent criminals to be locked up. Pot smokers and illegal aliens, not so much.
 
2010-10-28 01:36:56 PM  
People are still surprised that our legislation is written by corporations/people invested in making money from legislation?

What you guys thought the politicians write the things themselves?

/guess that wasn't covered by School-house-rock
 
2010-10-28 01:37:30 PM  
EvilClosetMonkey: I posted this link a few minutes ago on my 'social network that is not to be named' page.

Weeners?

"I can't trust NPR anymore, lol"

Goddammitsomuch.


This is why I never post anything political on Facebook. Most of my friends are borderline retarded when it comes to Politics.
 
2010-10-28 01:38:33 PM  
People with a vested interest in legislation try to influence it? ALERT ROMERO!

/and every trade group, lobbyist, and union
//yawn
 
2010-10-28 01:38:44 PM  
And who write the Obamacare bill? The Tides Foundation, talk about sick.
 
2010-10-28 01:38:53 PM  
This still does not affect the fact that these illegals are here and should not be. I understanf the stinkiness of this aspect of the new law.
 
2010-10-28 01:38:56 PM  
brap: I love Arizona it's beautiful the girl keeps hinting that she wants me to move out there with her.

But politically it's tard central.


My dad used to say "France is beautiful. Too bad it is full of French people."
 
2010-10-28 01:39:07 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Why are you linking to an unamended bill?


Why are you linking a bill at all? Part of the point of farkin point of all of this is to base arguments on conjecture and gut feelings.

Facts just mess up reality.
 
2010-10-28 01:39:56 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Why are you linking to an unamended bill?


I'm not aware of an amendment that doesn't presume residency based on what papers you carry.
 
2010-10-28 01:40:31 PM  
DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Way to prove yourself wrong.
 
2010-10-28 01:40:32 PM  
Triaxis: And who write the Obamacare bill? The Tides Foundation, talk about sick.

So vote Republican.
 
2010-10-28 01:41:10 PM  
DarnoKonrad: The_Six_Fingered_Man: DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Why are you linking to an unamended bill?

I'm not aware of an amendment that doesn't presume residency based on what papers you carry.


Still a bit dishonest to link to a bill that has been amended in several parts.

Maybe you could show the class where in either bill the power to lock people up for failure to show papers might be located?
 
2010-10-28 01:42:07 PM  
give me doughnuts: DarnoKonrad: text of the bill (new window)

Way to prove yourself wrong.


presume, not assume. By bad memory. My point stands.
 
2010-10-28 01:42:34 PM  
To be fair, at least in American prisons you can drink the water.
 
2010-10-28 01:42:44 PM  
soooo does anyone have any real, valid objections to the law with its current modifications, or are you just mad about who gave it it's name?



current law WITH modifications
 
2010-10-28 01:42:54 PM  
2wolves: Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

Just like health care.


exactly...

oh and immigration can only be solved through massive fines for employers of illegals and strict enforcement of those fines. and i mean business crippling fines and no excuses of "i didn't know they were illegal." and don't tell me e-verify doesn't work, it does a decent job. further if there were fines a market solution would develop. companies would form to screen potential employees for eligibility and insure said eligibility, think of it has ICE insurance. or we could have a national employment eligibility id system, but some people are scared of the government so that might not be much of a conversation starter...
 
2010-10-28 01:42:59 PM  
2wolves: Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

Just like health care.


Or oil companies, banks, car companies, financial service firms, or any other company in the U.S.
 
2010-10-28 01:43:19 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Still a bit dishonest to link to a bill that has been amended in several parts.

Dishonest? As far as I'm aware, that's the what was passed. If you're saying it's not what was passed, then by all means post a correction. But don't call me a liar.
 
2010-10-28 01:43:27 PM  
Haha, that was the most empty of facts article I have ever seen. "two men"? Mystical rooms full of 50 anonymous corporate people?

Come on NPR, jeez.
 
2010-10-28 01:44:07 PM  
Blues_X: Prisons should never, ever, be for-profit enterprises.

Agreed
 
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