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2010-10-28 12:14:23 AM
Very perceptive headline, subby.
 
2010-10-28 12:36:21 AM
I'm going to take this moment to send a very special "fark you, asshole" to Brian McCann. You just had to hit that double this year, didn't you? You tomahawk chop bastard. This year has the potential to be the worst baseball season of my life: while the Dodgers are falling apart at the seams, the Giants may win the World Series, abetted by an Atlanta Brave providing them with home field advantage.
 
2010-10-28 12:36:47 AM
Giants in 5.

Book it. Done.
 
2010-10-28 12:39:59 AM
With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.
 
2010-10-28 12:47:11 AM
oldebayer: With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.

San Francisco is not a small market. It's just not NY or Boston.
 
2010-10-28 01:00:27 AM
oldebayer: With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.

Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?
 
2010-10-28 01:09:10 AM
mitchcumstein1: Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?

The San Francisco Bay Area and Dallas/Fort Worth are respectively the #6 and #7 media markets in America, behind, in order, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. San Francisco is the only market not in the top 3, however, that has to divide its media revenue market between two home baseball teams, so that makes the Giants a smaller market player than they might otherwise be.
 
2010-10-28 01:20:21 AM
I'm going to jump ahead for fun and pretend that he's signed somewhere else.

"F*ck Cliff Lee. Dude's just a mercenary. He'll never be an all-time great. What a douchebag, he wouldn't commit to anything and strung the public along all season while leading New York on and his home team on with the hopes that they could keep him, only to secretly want to play with his friends in *insert town here*.

Dude will never be an ace. It's *insert new team's current ace*'s staff. F*ck that guy, what a pompous, entitled prick.

He totally just gave up on his team in the playoffs, man.

I also heard Ian Kinsler was f*cking his mom. Let's go get some Kinsler faces for whenever he comes to pitch against our team.

And it's total bullsh*t that players just get to choose where they want to go and want to play with their friends. Totally undermines the competitive spirit of the game.

No, dog, I swear I'm just calling him all that stuff because of the press conference after he signed with someone else. I'm not bitter about anything else. Maybe if your lips weren't around his dick all the time you'd see what a colossal piece of sh*t he is."

/whoops, that only applies to NBA players.
 
2010-10-28 01:22:18 AM
Cyberluddite: mitchcumstein1: Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?

The San Francisco Bay Area and Dallas/Fort Worth are respectively the #6 and #7 media markets in America, behind, in order, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. San Francisco is the only market not in the top 3, however, that has to divide its media revenue market between two home baseball teams, so that makes the Giants a smaller market player than they might otherwise be.


Right, not the biggest, but by no means small market.
 
2010-10-28 01:24:18 AM
IAmRight: /whoops, that only applies to NBA players.

It's a lot easier in baseball:

fark THE YANKEES AND BUYING THEIR TITLE fark fark!

I wish the Dodgers would be more like the Yankees.
 
2010-10-28 01:25:30 AM
mitchcumstein1: Cyberluddite: mitchcumstein1: Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?

The San Francisco Bay Area and Dallas/Fort Worth are respectively the #6 and #7 media markets in America, behind, in order, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. San Francisco is the only market not in the top 3, however, that has to divide its media revenue market between two home baseball teams, so that makes the Giants a smaller market player than they might otherwise be.

Right, not the biggest, but by no means small market.


Let's say they're in the top 10, since that is also what their payroll indicates. Though the bulk of that is on its ass at home (Zito).
 
2010-10-28 01:30:01 AM
bighasbeen: It's a lot easier in baseball:

That's true. That's why I'm hoping, like others say he's doing, is that he's using the Yankees to drive up his price. BTW, many players do this in baseball and it's completely acceptable. Totally unacceptable anywhere else, apparently.
 
2010-10-28 01:30:44 AM
mitchcumstein1: Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now

Sorry, I should have said I am proud of them for wiping out the BIGGEST market teams.

In any case, last year's World Series darlings, predicted by almost everyone to be in the WS again this year.

/Sorry if I ruffled any of your wet and scruffy feathers.
 
2010-10-28 01:39:36 AM
bighasbeen: Let's say they're in the top 10, since that is also what their payroll indicates. Though the bulk of that is on its ass at home (Zito).

See that's kind of my point. San Francisco can make a Zito sized mistake and still make it to the World Series.

oldebayer: /Sorry if I ruffled any of your wet and scruffy feathers.

Not ruffled, just have to sit and watch a small market team get its brains bashed in every year. A terribly managed small market team, but still.

The Royals do supposedly have one of the best minor league systems in baseball though, so pay attention, they'll be playing on your favorite team in 4-5 years.
 
2010-10-28 01:41:18 AM
mitchcumstein1: The Royals do supposedly have one of the best minor league systems in baseball though, so pay attention, they'll be playing on your favorite team in 4-5 years.

Not that it played out particularly well for this game, but the Mariners either had or should have had both starting pitchers for tonight's game on their roster.

/again, not that pitching was their problem
 
2010-10-28 01:41:20 AM
bighasbeen: Let's say they're in the top 10, since that is also what their payroll indicates. Though the bulk of that is on its ass at home (Zito).

And the second-highest-paid guy on their payroll ($13.6 million), while he's at least on the roster, is riding the bench--Aaron Rowand. The #3 guy ($10 million) has played in only about half the postseason games and hasn't done much--Edgar Renteria. The Giants have over $42 million a year in salaries--damn near half their team payroll--tied up in Zito ($18.5 million) and those two guys alone. Minus them, the Giants' payroll is tiny--they would be in the bottom 5 in MLB payroll without those three dead-end loser contracts on the books. You have to get down to the #4 paid guy on the roster--Tim Lincecum--before you find someone who's actually earning their pay.
 
2010-10-28 01:51:32 AM
IAmRight: mitchcumstein1: The Royals do supposedly have one of the best minor league systems in baseball though, so pay attention, they'll be playing on your favorite team in 4-5 years.

Not that it played out particularly well for this game, but the Mariners either had or should have had both starting pitchers for tonight's game on their roster.

/again, not that pitching was their problem


Oh, don't get me started. The Royals had the first pick in 2006. Could have had Longoria or Lincecum, instead they took Luke Hochevar. Luke farking Hochevar.
 
2010-10-28 01:52:52 AM
mitchcumstein1: Oh, don't get me started. The Royals had the first pick in 2006. Could have had Longoria or Lincecum, instead they took Luke Hochevar. Luke farking Hochevar.

At least Lincecum wasn't from a school 5 miles away from the stadium where the Royals play.

If you're gonna f*ck up, f*ck up local.
 
2010-10-28 01:59:33 AM
Cyberluddite: bighasbeen: Let's say they're in the top 10, since that is also what their payroll indicates. Though the bulk of that is on its ass at home (Zito).

And the second-highest-paid guy on their payroll ($13.6 million), while he's at least on the roster, is riding the bench--Aaron Rowand. The #3 guy ($10 million) has played in only about half the postseason games and hasn't done much--Edgar Renteria. The Giants have over $42 million a year in salaries--damn near half their team payroll--tied up in Zito ($18.5 million) and those two guys alone. Minus them, the Giants' payroll is tiny--they would be in the bottom 5 in MLB payroll without those three dead-end loser contracts on the books. You have to get down to the #4 paid guy on the roster--Tim Lincecum--before you find someone who's actually earning their pay.


I know, I only have to say the names Andruw Jones or Jason Schmidt to recall and understand. I'm just not allowed to agree with anything about the Giants, unless it's "The Giants are a team full of baby-punchers and mother-rapers".

mitchcumstein1: bighasbeen: Let's say they're in the top 10, since that is also what their payroll indicates. Though the bulk of that is on its ass at home (Zito).

See that's kind of my point. San Francisco can make a Zito sized mistake and still make it to the World Series.


I'm with you there. There are two types of teams in MLB: ones who can weather $30 million in fark ups and ones who can't.

IAmRight: bighasbeen: It's a lot easier in baseball:

That's true. That's why I'm hoping, like others say he's doing, is that he's using the Yankees to drive up his price. BTW, many players do this in baseball and it's completely acceptable. Totally unacceptable anywhere else, apparently.


If LeBron had come straight out and said, "I'm doing this for money, it's a business decision, those are the breaks" from day one I think people would have gotten over it more quickly. But he tried to cushion his decision with a bunch of other excuses or reasons, while completely valid, felt like evasions or attempts to deflect responsibility to many people. Hell, I thought he was stupid for staying in CLE as long as he did, but I wouldn't have had a farking hour long show to put on a hat. The whole first part of that show was making excuses for something he hadn't done yet and didn't need to make excuses for. Once you start making excuses it means you feel like you are doing something which needs to be excused, and fans never let someone make excuses for doing something they felt farked them over.

Please excuse the overuse of the word "excuse".
 
2010-10-28 02:02:36 AM
IAmRight: mitchcumstein1: Oh, don't get me started. The Royals had the first pick in 2006. Could have had Longoria or Lincecum, instead they took Luke Hochevar. Luke farking Hochevar.

At least Lincecum wasn't from a school 5 miles away from the stadium where the Royals play.

If you're gonna f*ck up, f*ck up local.


True, they also missed on Albert Pujols, who while a 13th round draft pick, did go to high school, where he hit .500, and junior college, where he hit .461, in Kansas City.
 
2010-10-28 02:04:03 AM
mitchcumstein1: True, they also missed on Albert Pujols, who while a 13th round draft pick, did go to high school, where he hit .500, and junior college, where he hit .461, in Kansas City.

And this is a lot of the reason the Royals are the Royals and the Mariners are the Mariners. It's not necessarily just because they're smaller markets.
 
2010-10-28 02:10:57 AM
oldebayer: With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.

Yup.

Well, no, not the WS next year. The Red Sox need to get back in.

But I love that the Rangers beat the Skanks.

Now I want the Giants to beat the Rangers, because the Rangers are from Texas.

I dislike Texas* immensely, but I hate the Yankees.

/*-the "state" and all it stands for.
 
2010-10-28 02:14:21 AM
bighasbeen: I know, I only have to say the names Andruw Jones or Jason Schmidt to recall and understand. I'm just not allowed to agree with anything about the Giants, unless it's "The Giants are a team full of baby-punchers and mother-rapers".

You know, I hate the Dodgers with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns (as does any person who is not a semi-retarded, half-civilized douchebag of low morals and questionable parentage, i.e., a typical Dodger fan), but if it was the Dodgers rather than the Giants in the World Series this year, I might actually violate my own morals and values and root for the goddamn Dodgers. (Jesus, I feel dirty just typing that.) I would not want to see a California team--even the f*cking Dodgers, goddamn it--lose to a Texas team this tear.

To the amazement of everypne who knows me, I actually did root for the Dodgers in the NLDS two years ago versus the Cubs, since the Cubs fans annoyed me so much at the time with their misplaced smug overconfidence--smug confidence in the pathetic loser Cubs, of all teams. Of couse, after the Dodgers did sweep that series, I returned to my senses and rooted for thr Phils to knock the Dodgers out of the NLCS, which they of course did.
 
2010-10-28 02:17:32 AM
IAmRight: And this is a lot of the reason the Royals are the Royals and the Mariners are the Mariners. It's not necessarily just because they're smaller markets.

A lot of other teams passed on Lincecum in 2006 too--he was drafted 10th by the Giants. But yeah, I hear you--seeing as how he's a Washington boy, you would've thought the Mariners would've paid a bit more attention to him.
 
2010-10-28 02:30:03 AM
IAmRight: mitchcumstein1: True, they also missed on Albert Pujols, who while a 13th round draft pick, did go to high school, where he hit .500, and junior college, where he hit .461, in Kansas City.

And this is a lot of the reason the Royals are the Royals and the Mariners are the Mariners. It's not necessarily just because they're smaller markets.


Yes, terrible management is terrible management, no matter the payroll. Look at the Mets.
 
2010-10-28 02:44:19 AM
IAmRight: "F*ck Cliff Lee. Dude's just a mercenary. He'll never be an all-time great. What a douchebag, he wouldn't commit to anything and strung the public along all season while leading New York on and his home team on with the hopes that they could keep him, only to secretly want to play with his friends in *insert town here*.

Dude will never be an ace. It's *insert new team's current ace*'s staff. F*ck that guy, what a pompous, entitled prick.

He totally just gave up on his team in the playoffs, man.

I also heard Ian Kinsler was f*cking his mom. Let's go get some Kinsler faces for whenever he comes to pitch against our team.

And it's total bullsh*t that players just get to choose where they want to go and want to play with their friends. Totally undermines the competitive spirit of the game.

No, dog, I swear I'm just calling him all that stuff because of the press conference after he signed with someone else. I'm not bitter about anything else. Maybe if your lips weren't around his dick all the time you'd see what a colossal piece of sh*t he is."

/whoops, that only applies to NBA players.


Ignoring all other dynamics: Cliff Lee has been cast off by multiple teams in his career (hell, just this YEAR).

However, in most cases, a lot of people get pissed when superstars sign big contracts with the Yankees, yes. Actually, a LOT more often than I've heard people complain about NBA stars changing teams.
 
2010-10-28 02:45:30 AM
IAmRight: That's true. That's why I'm hoping, like others say he's doing, is that he's using the Yankees to drive up his price. BTW, many players do this in baseball and it's completely acceptable. Totally unacceptable anywhere else, apparently.

Really? I thought you were joking... now you're just being absurd.
 
2010-10-28 02:50:42 AM
Cyberluddite: IAmRight: And this is a lot of the reason the Royals are the Royals and the Mariners are the Mariners. It's not necessarily just because they're smaller markets.

A lot of other teams passed on Lincecum in 2006 too--he was drafted 10th by the Giants. But yeah, I hear you--seeing as how he's a Washington boy, you would've thought the Mariners would've paid a bit more attention to him.


It was all about his size... they went with ANOTHER pitcher, from the Pac10 conference like Lincecum no less, who was a larger more traditional power pitcher.

It still bothers me, considering the only guy (aside from Felix Hernandez) on the Mariners roster who is worth his weight is Ichiro: a tiny guy with a cannon.
 
2010-10-28 03:12:35 AM
Uh, Bay area folks, we have an..."issue"...

Giants beat the Rangers
Sharks beat the Devils
Warriors beat the Rockets
Raiders beat the Broncos
Stanford beat Washington State
Cal beat Arizona State

...all of them by a significant margin!

I am not sure we can take this without some kind of counter event. Looks like the WS is going to be delayed by another earthquake.

Perhaps the 49ers losing will spare us.
 
2010-10-28 03:28:38 AM
haemaker: Perhaps the 49ers losing will spare us.

Perhaps it's because you are sending the 49ers overseas.
 
2010-10-28 03:51:41 AM
IAmRight: /whoops, that only applies to NBA players.

Yes, because Cliff Lee strung the Indians along, intending to sign with them before saying how tough the decision was for him to go to Philadelphia.

/He was traded, you dolt!
 
2010-10-28 08:47:46 AM
bighasbeen: San Francisco is not a small market. It's just not NY or Boston.

At least SF and Texas weren't playing every other time I turned on ESPN this summer.
 
2010-10-28 08:51:39 AM
IlGreven: IAmRight: /whoops, that only applies to NBA players.

Yes, because Cliff Lee strung the Indians along, intending to sign with them before saying how tough the decision was for him to go to Philadelphia.

/He was traded, you dolt!


The Indian's ownership is like a capital investment firm. They have no interest in producing a quality product. They would rather make money by selling off any asset that might be worth anything.
 
2010-10-28 08:52:28 AM
Manhigh: bighasbeen: San Francisco is not a small market. It's just not NY or Boston.

At least SF and Texas weren't playing every other time I turned on ESPN this summer.


And even if the Giants win it all, you'll still be seeing the Yankees or Red Sox every other time you turn on ESPN next summer.
 
2010-10-28 08:55:25 AM
He's ripe for the pickin, New York....
 
2010-10-28 09:04:01 AM
mitchcumstein1: oldebayer: With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.

Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?


Nobody cares about baseball there.
 
2010-10-28 09:30:27 AM
Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.
 
2010-10-28 09:37:13 AM
Nah, Lee is good for another $20 million given the asshat Yankee fans spitting on his wife.

FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

Money will cure that. Plus, Sabathia and Lee are tight, and their wives are close as well (I know there's a joke in there).

They'll trade Burnett to some sucker team like The Rockies, Mariners or The Mets (and eat most of his contract), then sign Lee.
 
2010-10-28 09:43:30 AM
LessO2: Nah, Lee is good for another $20 million given the asshat Yankee fans spitting on his wife.

FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

Money will cure that. Plus, Sabathia and Lee are tight, and their wives are close as well (I know there's a joke in there).

They'll trade Burnett to some sucker team like The Rockies, Mariners or The Mets (and eat most of his contract), then sign Lee.


I honestly don't think he'll go to the yanks. I don't think he'll go to Boston either, though boston should be moving heaven and earth trying to get him at the same time trying to dumping Daisuke Matsuzaka.
 
2010-10-28 10:06:41 AM
FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

But she'll let him sign with the Phillies.

Oswalt won't be a Phil next year. Hamels and Halladay are locked up for a few years.

/Welcome back Cliffy!
 
2010-10-28 10:08:56 AM
BunkyBrewman: FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

But she'll let him sign with the Phillies.

Oswalt won't be a Phil next year. Hamels and Halladay are locked up for a few years.

/Welcome back Cliffy!


I could see that happening. I don't think he really wanted to leave Philly in the first place.
 
2010-10-28 10:10:19 AM
Cyberluddite: mitchcumstein1: Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?

The San Francisco Bay Area and Dallas/Fort Worth are respectively the #6 and #7 media markets in America, behind, in order, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. San Francisco is the only market not in the top 3, however, that has to divide its media revenue market between two home baseball teams, so that makes the Giants a smaller market player than they might otherwise be.


Shouldn't Toronto be on the list somewhere?
 
2010-10-28 10:15:17 AM
Oh, silly subby.

CC Sabathia got rocked in his postseason start for Milwaukee in 2008 (3.2 IP, 6 H, 5 ER) and they still paid him.
 
2010-10-28 10:23:31 AM
Fark Cablevision and News Corp. and their pissing match.

I'd love to be able to just flip on the game at home without going to extra preparation, but no. And I know there's streams and other ways to go around it, but it really shouldn't have to come to that.
 
2010-10-28 10:35:58 AM
BunkyBrewman: FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

But she'll let him sign with the Phillies.

Oswalt won't be a Phil next year. Hamels and Halladay are locked up for a few years.

/Welcome back Cliffy!


I thought part of the trade for Oswalt included the Phillies picking up his option for 2011. Were they able to convince him to waive the no-trade clause without exercising that option? If so, farking brilliant.
 
2010-10-28 10:49:01 AM
Cliff Lee - you're doin' it wrong. AJ says not to tank until after the new contract is signed.
 
2010-10-28 10:54:01 AM
LessO2: FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

Money will cure that. Plus, Sabathia and Lee are tight, and their wives are close as well (I know there's a joke in there).


I don't know dude. If someone spit on my wife I'd make it my purpose in life to ruin them. If I were Lee I'd not only not pitch for the Yankees, I'd take a discount to pitch for whatever team has the greatest potential to fark with the Yankees for the forseeable future.
 
2010-10-28 10:55:45 AM
homarjr: Shouldn't Toronto be on the list somewhere?

They have TV in Canada now? Really? Wow, I didn't realize the people up there even had electricity in their igloos, let alone television.
 
2010-10-28 11:21:29 AM
erupt2001: mitchcumstein1: oldebayer: With apologies to fans of both the Rangers and the Giants, I am so proud of both of them for knocking out the big-market teams that I really don't care who wins. I love them both, and hope they both get back in the WS next year.

Dallas and San Francisco are small markets now?

Nobody cares about baseball there.


People in Dallas might care far more about football than baseball perhaps (though there are still plenty of die-hard Rangers fans), but San Francisco is a great baseball town, and has been for as long as I can remember, even when the Giants haven't been any good.
 
2010-10-28 11:40:12 AM
The_Great_Hambino: BunkyBrewman: FarkedOver: Cliff Lee's wife wouldn't let him sign with the Yankees any way after the treatment she received at Yankee Stadium.

But she'll let him sign with the Phillies.

Oswalt won't be a Phil next year. Hamels and Halladay are locked up for a few years.

/Welcome back Cliffy!

I thought part of the trade for Oswalt included the Phillies picking up his option for 2011. Were they able to convince him to waive the no-trade clause without exercising that option? If so, farking brilliant.


They have Oswalt next year. Their rotation will be Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels and with Werth gone, they might be able to pick up Lee if he gives them a discount like Halladay did.

I never wanted to see Lee leave, but having H20 plus Lee would be awesome...still wouldn't cure the fact they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
 
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